The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & co

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Raju wrote: It's my personal experience since one of my friends sisters who happened to be at the same banquet hall. He said this to me over the phone. Didn't even bother to check the mumbai press for it. What is conspiracy theory about this ?
The time you mention is around 10 PM, Most likely, as Malayappan stated, it was to hunker down and protect the Consul General, a standard precaution, I think. I had a detail time line constructed starting from most probable time of landing till the capture of kasab and its up on google map. The first firing and grenade explosions at CST are reported not before 9:40PM and my own parents happend to drive past, colaba causeway in a taxi (from Regal junction) and in front of leopald cafe, at about 9:15PM and everything was normal then. They reached our home about 9:40ish and we heard some explosions which first we mistook for thunders about 9:45ish. So most likely what your friends sister witnessed was emergency response action of US embassy staff. The first few hours were total chaos with no body sure about the spread and possible locations that had been targeted.

Just read your last message and time you mention is 8:30 PM so yes that would mean they had some early warning maybe!
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Headley the deadly and his role in 26/11 and other yet unravelled plots is now exploding intop public.It is now obvious that he was in the pay of the CIA, or whatever US agency ran him.It is also inconceivable that he was able to spend so much of time in India without his US handlers not knowing about it.HGe was obviously sent here by his US handlers for some secret operation being condcuted on Indian soil.That he was also in the pay of the Pakis may or may not have been known to his handlers,who probably used him as a "triple" agent,posing as a double agent to the Pakis,but in reality was in truth working to their agenda.

One crucial event during 26/11 was the murder of the CIA agents in the Taj,news of whcih was quickly supressed.It must be assumed that Headley knew about their operation and /or had run previous similar operations for the CIA ,using the Taj as a venue for meetings,most probably with other foreign turncoats/informants staying at the Taj.That he had gone rogue ,like Saddam,was in Pak guiding the attackers on 26/11 also could not have nene unknown to his US handlers.He was probably on another CIA mission there-Pakiland is awash with them at the moment, and unknown to them was in the 26/11 "control room" conducting his terror "orchestra"!
It was only when he began to plan an opertaion in Denmark,where westerners would be the targets that he fell foul of his US masters.

As Karan Dixit has said,what comes out of this dastardly affair is that to the US,India is fair game for their diabolic plans in partnership with the Pakis,as long as it does not harm the interests of the US and their western allies.The entire saga of US-India intel cooperation is therefore suspect.The US and the Pakis simply ccreate the terror in India and then the US pretends to help us selectively,and as if they are doing us a great favour.This way they can manipulate events to their global gameplan.This is the same game that was played out in Sri Lanka,where the LTTE was secretly supported by western powers,with the Norwegians p*mping for them.while they sprinkled a few crumbs of aid to the various govts. of SL of the day.In simple terms the strategy is "light the fire,then play the role of fireman"!

We are clearly being hoodwinked by US chicanery.Why the Headley conspiracy is unravelling now is that perhaps there appears to be a spat going on between the FBI and the CIA over the issue.Several US citizens were murdered during the 26/11 operation and the killers must be found and justice meeted out to them.That seems to be the determination of the FBI,whereas the CIA would like a secret punishment for the killers meeted out by the Pakis (after all CIA operatives were also killed),or that they have rationalised the event just as they shamefully did with the murder of Daniel Pearl,as the LET,HUM,etc.etc. have actually been doing their dirty work for decades and have only now gone rogue.
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I think there is some good about David Coleman Headley. He is a double agent of high value. Headley was able to penetrate the higher echelons of Pakistani jihadi establishment. He probably has proof and information about the most influential terror network within the PA establishment. As his job of a double agent, he was able to do the dirty work of Pakistani jihadis, but now as a perfect double agent, he can and probably will spill the beans on Pakistani jihadi establishment and the complicity of PA in that establishment. As much as he has betrayed US intelligence community, he has also betrayed the pakistani jihadi establishment. There will be a lot of knives out against Headley in Pakistan.

Now, we will have to see whether the US establishment takes up the case of shutting down the PA officers (though quietly) and warning the PA establishment from venturing into such misadventure in future. It will also be interesting to see whether FBI gives elaborate information to Indian intelligence to work out a way to stop such operation from happening within India. If India will be able to map-out the jihadi network within PA right upto the highest level, then it will go a long way in preventing future attacks. We have seen that a major attack on NDC, Delhi has already been averted by the action of FBI.

It would have been great if US establishment would have exposed PA for what it is, but we all know that such a thing is not going to happen due to US reliance on PA, but if it can threathen PA enough to stop any such misadventure in future and keep the spectre of exposure dangling that will go a long way in keeping the jihadi establishment in check.

I am sure that their will be a lot of arm-twisting going on behind the scene and Indian Intelligence will be able to push US to make pakistan do more than it would usually have done incase India had Headley in its custody.
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What is also uncomfortable the way Headley was able to wine dine with the Bollywood and hyper secular crowd there seems to be a clear Laskhar - Dawood- Bollywood axis involved here.
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From Raju:

1. Raju wrote:
It's my personal experience since one of my friends sisters who happened to be at the same banquet hall. He said this to me over the phone. Didn't even bother to check the mumbai press for it. What is conspiracy theory about this ?

And from Raju's own personal (unhyperlinked) archives:
met a friend of mine for the first time tonight after the attacks. his sister was having dinner at four seasons at an event hosted by the dutch consul general. around 8.15, six security guards came in and picked up the american consul general and took him out of the hotel. no 'sir we need to leave', they caught his arms and legs and took him straight out.

OK, so all the cited sources for "US consul carried out by arms and legs by security detail 2 hours ahead of attacks" come from "My friend's sister phoned him".

In one case, Raju's friend PHONED him. In the other case, Raju MET HIS FRIEND FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THE ATTACKS.

Now I am not up on the etiquette these days - in Mumbai, when people MEET, do they immediately PHONE each other than talking directly through the hawa? Could be, which is essential to reconciling the two cases where Raju quotes himself as the source.

It MAY be evident why ppl like me, so long used to reading the Bakistani press, find this a little bit short of 401% reliable? :roll:

Perhaps said Consul has a drinking problem and had had too much? Why do you think it is necessary for the security people to CARRY the Consul out, rather than whisper in his ear that Ambassador Smirnoff needed to speak with him immediately, and have him walk out on a swift "excuse me, I gotta go P", please? If speed was urgent, isn't it better to have the person walk rather than be carried?

Could Raju pls contact his friend again and ask his sister to confirm this? Maybe write a Letter to the Editor of Times of India? If she knows what she saw, what is the problem in saying it out loud?
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'Security beefed up at vital installations'
14 Dec 2009, 1532 hrs IST
Security was beefed up at the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) and the Bombay Stock Exchange (BSE) on Monday (December 14) after intelligence inputs of terrorists trying to target them.

According to sources, intelligence reports suggest that Taliban trained Lashkar men are trying to target vital installations in the city including the BARC and BSE.

Intelligence sources have also revealed that Kolkata, Mumbai, Delhi and Gujarat face heightened terror threat, post which the government today issued advisories for Maharashtra, West Bengal, Delhi and Gujarat.

Source today said that the FBI, which is helping probe the Headley link to the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks will provide voice samples of David Colman Headley, which could help futher investigations into the attacks.
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Where do we put kasab now? The spotlight has totally shifted away from him? Is he even in india?
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Kasab is in Arthur Road Jail in Mumbai. Guarded by ITBP. He has very good security.
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SSridhar,

Even if Headley was a deep undercover agent of sorts, there should be some loose ends. Headley seemed to be more than a foot soldier, at least someone in the middle hierarchy of people that did the attacks. There should be some loose ends somewhere that must have cropped up in the investigation. I have not looked at Ujjwal Nikam's charge sheet, but surely the police must have investigated how the perpetrators got their intelligence, who mapped out the targets etc. etc. Something should have cropped up about an unknown person who did the mapping of targets...

How is it that Mumbai Police reaction to Headley (who appears everywhere now) after the Americans told them of his existence is "Oh him,... uh, yeah he is the main man.. but dont worry it doesnt affect my case..." It is like doing an entire root cause analysis of a Prithvi test failing, closing it and then some supplier telling them "Oh we forgot to send you the guidance chip for it... here it is now..."

I dont believe Mumbai Police is that stupid... there is definitely more going on here IMHO.
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Right on cue:

http://news.rediff.com/special/2009/dec ... .htm[quote]

The revelations have embarrassed India's intelligence establishment, which clearly had no idea, even after its inquiries into 26/11, about Headley's activities. [/quote]
Mumbai police officers told rediff.com they would now file supplementary charges involving Headley and Rana in the ongoing 26/11 trial.
So serving Pak officers organise and execute an operation on Indian soil that kills hundreds and damages property. Our response is *zilch*, beyond the prosecution of Kasab.
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So serving Pak officers organise and execute an operation on Indian soil that kills hundreds and damages property. Our response is *zilch*, beyond the prosecution of Kasab.
Pakis have understood this a long time back( maybe since 92 blasts) and thats why we see the scale of attacks becoming grander and more spectacular every time while we pat ourselves on our backs to show "how "humane and full of justice" we are( both 26/11 and Dec 13,a.k.a, the Afzal Guru affair, are cases in point)
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Tanaji-> what do expect us to do, quite frankly given the present miltary balance we can only weaken ourselves. a 10-15 day war with a virtual stalemate will only lead to voices, war is not the solution etc....... from P-sec's,Hurriyat's, activists, millipeds , foreign nations, bollywodd etc etc...

So basically we have to accept we are at present impotent and as long as most Indians remain in thier I and me world with zero knowledge of strategic choices before the country we can do nothing..

Building a strong miltary takes 15-20 years of cold strategic choices and not mere emotions and outdated imported weapons bought when they are absoulutely must.
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^^^

Actually I agree with you, that war most likely wont solve anything. I am just commenting that someone comes into our house, kills our family members, burns our house down and we do nothing, beyond the usual platitudes of "we will not tolerate terrorism". We even bring back R R Patil as the deputy CM.

Is the answer to every terrorist act on Indian soil "we must build our economic strength so that starving millions can get fed since cost is too high?" It could very well be, after all # people killed in terrorist attacks to date <<<< starving people, kids dying of malnutrition and other assorted things that Shivji always points out.

I am just wondering if a tipping point exists for India and us, when we would say enough is enough. Evidently one has not reached that stage yet and even GoI seems to think so. When does this get reached (if at all) and what defines this "point"? A certain GDP / per capita income? A certain level of starving people (in hundreds perhaps?) A certain number of deaths (hundreds of thousands?) in terrorist acts? GoI does not give any guidance, and GoI can never be wrong, so I am told. I believe the GoI, but would just like to know when so that I dont keep wondering every time "perhaps now they will act?" every time a bomb goes off.

I think I am going OT here... if you want we should continue this discussion on the Mumbai attacks thread.
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Even if Headley was a deep undercover agent of sorts, there should be some loose ends. Headley seemed to be more than a foot soldier, at least someone in the middle hierarchy of people that did the attacks. There should be some loose ends somewhere that must have cropped up in the investigation. I have not looked at Ujjwal Nikam's charge sheet, but surely the police must have investigated how the perpetrators got their intelligence, who mapped out the targets etc. etc. Something should have cropped up about an unknown person who did the mapping of targets...
Tanaji, I am not saying that Headley remained undiscovered because he was an undercover agent. I am simply saying that he covered his tracks well and the element of luck did not play its part for the Mumbai police.

Of course, that question was partially answered in the form of Fahim Ansari. However, it was also apparent to the Mumbai police that Fahim was not the complete answer either because he did not know the inside of the Taj/Trident/Chabad House etc. As posted earlier, his sustained questioning revealed that he didn't generate that mapping though he made some reconnaissance. That was where the Mumbai police hit a dead end. The police knew that somebody else had done that but had no clue who it was.

I am pretty sure that the police would have questioned the Taj/Trident hotel staff if anybody was taking pictures/videos of their hotels. Nobody gave any clue because of two reasons: one, it was done with a well concealed camera as the US chargesheet says and second, it was done quite a while ago even if Headley had used a videocamera etc. Again, had the Rabbi or his wife escaped the Chabad massacre, they might have given a hint about Headley. Even that is a conjecture because they were also probabaly taken in by the Jew.

Added Later From this report
Headley used the service of many prominent individuals in the city to conduct a proper recce of the places which included the Bhaba Atomic Research Centre, Israeli Embassy in Cuffe Parade and Israeli airlines office located in the World Trade Centre.
It is a misfortune that none of the prominent individuals thought it fit to feel curious about his recce and report to the police. However, they claimed a 'clean chit' immediately when revelations were made.
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I think, we have missed this important piece of information
The sources claimed that there were frequent promptings by Headley to LeT mastermind Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi from a room in Pakistan. Lakhvi, against whom the Interpol has issued a Red Corner Notice at the request of India, was in turn in touch with the terrorists attacking Mumbai.
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What GoI should insist on are (1) Direct access to Headley, so that our sleuths can ask him questions and get his answers first hand, (2) Copies of all Headley's recorded calls, emails etc. with his ISI/LeT handlers, (3) Copies of videotapes, maps etc. made by Headley that are in FBI posession etc.
This is very reasonable/logical and US ought to do this. Let us see, and keep an eye.
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MODI, AHMEDABAD WERE HEADLEY TARGETS

‘Karachi Project’ Had Plotted Spectacular Strike On Civilians In City

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/ ... =HTML&GZ=T
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Tipping point will be recognized when suddenly WKK and FHL stop trotting out their excuses.
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interesting that the Headley info keeps coming on a steady drip. Is it by design or just the way it is as stuff comes out it gets conveyed to India?

Hope someone is trying to put things in prespective and not get flattered or bogged down by the steady release of new and outrageous details.
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Didn't this already happen (partially) with the targeting of the Elite in the Taj etc? Finally brought LET into a light where not even the Americans could ignore them, let alone the WKK.

Which is why I never understood why the Pakis did that. It was worse than attacking Parliament - here the Moneyed Classes themselves were targeted (though many hotel staff and policemen died protecting them).
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Interesting thoughts. Attacking monied elite is worse than attacking the elected representatives of a government.

In the end it doesn't matter for GOI cant respond as was shown in 2001 and 2008. People understand that as seen by the local elections in Delhi and in Maharastra.
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enqyoob wrote:Didn't this already happen (partially) with the targeting of the Elite in the Taj etc? Finally brought LET into a light where not even the Americans could ignore them, let alone the WKK.

Which is why I never understood why the Pakis did that. It was worse than attacking Parliament - here the Moneyed Classes themselves were targeted (though many hotel staff and policemen died protecting them).
IMHO the real motive behind selecting elite and iconic places in Mumbai, was to pull an == with respect to Pukistan, in so far to convince the western world that India is just as unsafe as pukistan and to deter and discourage FII inflows into Indian economy! They just cant stand that they are being left behind in dust and slowly toppling back into 7th century and they rather pull India with them. Pukis just assume cause they are on life support of external bakshis from their three and half mai-baap, if they can show India to be just as dangerous place to visit and do business with then India will also get as sick and hence the choice of targets! of course with standard tactical brilliance of TSPA officers as handlers and planners never thought India is lot more resilient!

The fixation on Bangalore to strike at IT hub, attack on IISC, the threat to BARC etc just indicates paki desire to pull and == so the crazy nuts of puki media can then freely start saying how Indian nukes are just as much at risk as their own assets.
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ramana wrote:Tipping point will be recognized when suddenly WKK and FHL stop trotting out their excuses.
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interesting that the Headley info keeps coming on a steady drip. Is it by design or just the way it is as stuff comes out it gets conveyed to India?

Hope someone is trying to put things in prespective and not get flattered or bogged down by the steady release of new and outrageous details.
My guess as to why this info is being steadily dripped is that formal charges were filed against Headley & Rana in US Federal Court. We may be in a period of discovery by the legal defense counsel for both men, and therefore as they find out, it is then given out to the press. Some of which they can't leak to the press, but if they (Headley & Rana) can afford their own attorneys, more info may come out between now and the trial.

Note, Headley has been charged and will appear in court in January 2010, and Rana will appear in court tomorrow to be charged.

The BHO administration will get lots of brownie points with Indians should they ask for the death penalty for both men. It would be one way of nicely denying extradition to India.
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enqyoob wrote:Didn't this already happen (partially) with the targeting of the Elite in the Taj etc? Finally brought LET into a light where not even the Americans could ignore them, let alone the WKK.

Which is why I never understood why the Pakis did that. It was worse than attacking Parliament - here the Moneyed Classes themselves were targeted (though many hotel staff and policemen died protecting them).
As a rational person it is hard to understand those who are irrational or occasionally rational.
In hindsight, no sane Kamandu would have contemplated Kargil - but history says otherwise.
As the AAA start failing them, it is fair for one to start expecting maverick maneuvers.
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Rana knew of Mumbai attacks well in advance: FBI

The FBI on Monday submitted fresh evidence against Pakistan-born terror suspect Tahawwur Hussain Rana alleging that he "knew well in advance" that Lashkar terrorists would strike Mumbai [ Images ] in November 2008.

Rana was arrested by the FBI in October on charges of plotting and planning terrorist attacks in India [ Images ] and Denmark. His bail plea hearing is scheduled for tomorrow.

The Pakistani-Canadian has denied the charges and has offered a security of nearly a million dollars in support of his bail application.

Meanwhile, the US prosecutors submitted a memorandum seeking detention of Rana pending trial, thereby opposing his bail petition.

The FBI in its latest affidavit filed before a Chicago Court refuted Rana's claims that he believed in non-violence and that his believes are akin to that of Mahatma Gandhi [ Images ].

"Ironically, in invoking the name of a man who embodied the principles of non-violence and speaking the truth, Rana seeks to mislead this court as to the extent of his admiration and support for mass murderers," federal prosecutors said.

Federal prosecutors alleged that Rana brought before the court witnesses who had little inkling of who he actually was.

Referring to the taped telephonic conversation that Rana had with another terror suspect David Coleman Headley during a long car drive on September 7, 2009, the FBI said the duo had discussed about the Mumbai terrorist attack in November 2008, in which 166 people, including six Americans, were killed.

"It is clear from the conversation and extrinsic corroboration that Rana was told just days before the Mumbai attacks that the attacks were about to happen.

"Elsewhere in the conversation, Rana asked Headley to pass Rana's compliments directly to the specific Lashkar-e-Tayyiba member they both knew who had coordinated the attacks,"
the latest FBI document said.

"Later in that conversation, Rana and Headley both discussed targeting the National Defense College in Delhi [ Images ], India for a future attack. Simply put, Rana's own statements in this conversation, among others, completely belie his argument to this court that he is either a dupe or pacifist," it said.

The FBI alleged that Rana met Abdur Rahman Hashim Syed, a retired Pakistani Army Brigadier, who is known as "Pasha" in Dubai [ Images ].

"Pasha" is a retired Pakistani military officer who was allegedly Headley's direct link to Ilyas Kashmiri, one of Pakistan's most wanted terrorists and a direct link to al-Qaeda.

The FBI produced portions of the transcripts that discuss how Rana had learned during an in-person meeting between him and Pasha in Dubai that the Mumbai attacks were to happen.

"Travel records for Rana corroborate that he was in Dubai days before the Mumbai attacks and was returning from China when the attacks occurred.

"Rana flew to Dubai and arrived on November 21, 2008. He remained in Dubai until November 24, 2008. On November 24, 2008, Rana traveled to China from Dubai. Then, on November 26, 2008 – the day the Mumbai attacks started – Rana boarded a plane to return to America," the FBI said.

The FBI charged that Rana had conceded about his Dubai meetings in his post-arrest statements. Further, Rana acknowledged that he had met with "Pasha" in Dubai and that "Pasha" even stayed with him.

"Rana, however, falsely denied being told by "Pasha" specifically that the Mumbai attacks were about to happen. Instead, Rana claimed that "Pasha" only told him that 'they were saying that you know, we are fighting in Kashmir [ Images ], and we are doing all this thing, and there things which we are planning and all that'," the FBI affidavit said.

In short, the evidence shows that Rana was told in advance that the attacks in Mumbai were to happen. He can at best claim unconvincingly that he was hearing that some other attack was about to happen, the FBI alleged.

Federal prosecutors said far from advocating non-violence, Rana's own statements reveal his support for the brutal killing of 166 people.

"Rana was told of the attacks before they happened and offered compliments and congratulations to those who carried them out afterwards," it said.

"Even if one were to credit Rana's false post-arrest claim that his compliments were directed to 'one of the main planners' for LeT – a designated terrorist organisation – only related to attacks in Kashmir, it is quite clear that Rana is no Gandhi," the FBI said.

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A friend sent me the court submission.

Rana calls Sajid Mir "Khalid bin Waleed" and said stuff like "The boys stood their ground and whoever the Jamaat trains, they train them well"

He also congratulates Sajid Mir on his "music videos", referring to the tapes of the intercepted directions given to the terrorists.
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No evidence of Headley's role in guiding Mumbai assault: Indian intel agencies
“Hours of intercepted phone conversations show that the assault team was guided by three men, speaking Punjabi, interspersed occasionally with Urdu and English. However, recent media reports that Headley was among those involved are not supported by the tapes, which are available with The Hindu.”

Named by surviving jihadist Mohammad Ajmal Amir—widely identified by his caste-name Kasab—as senior Lashkar military operatives, Zaki-ur-Rahman Lakhvi, Muzammil Bhat and Abu Hamza, the men used voice-over-internet phone connections to communicate with the assault team.
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ramana: The MPs in India are mostly aspirants to True Power which is to be in the Moneyed Classes. The Dec 2001 declarations of outrage after the failed attack on Parliament did not really convince anyone, nor did the subsequent string of attacks on commuters, worshippers, street vendors etc. Post-Nov 2008 however, there seems to be a major rise in the sense of heat-on-musharraf by the GOI. Q.E.D.

Rangudu: Wonder why the PA/ISI informed someone like Rana BEFORE the attacks, except as a need-2-know part of the operation. What was his need-2-know? To stay out of Mumbai hotels during those days?

More importantly, was he allowed to warn his desi elite contacts to stay away from the same targets during the correct day? The list of phone calls that Rana made after he was informed of the day, should be most interesting. This would nail down how innocent/ indispensable those contacts really were.

Also, how was the conversation (presumably cellphone?) between Rana (in a car?) and Gilani recorded? Whom were they monitoring? Any answers on these in the documents?

Pullikesi: Yes, I see the point. What appears rational to Pakis is anyone's guess. Even now Musharraf goes public, claiming that the whole problem is that the US "neglected" or "abandoned" Pakistan. This was their rationale for 9/11: to show how bad the US was in neglecting pakistan, and how Pakistan would show its sorrow and disappointment at this dil-toot.
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2nd Chicago terror suspect knew of Mumbai attack
December 14, 2009 (CHICAGO) (WLS) -- A Chicago travel agent and terror suspect had advance knowledge of last year's deadly three-day attack on Mumbai, India, according to newly filed documents by federal prosecutors in Chicago.

Tahawwur Hussain Rana Rana, a Chicago travel agency owner and owner of an Illinois goat slaughterhouse, is heard on a secret tape recording admitting that he knew Pakistani terrorists were going to assault hotels and public buildings according to the government.

Rana, whom prosecutors note "has even gone so far as to claim to this Court that his beliefs are akin to those of Gandhi" is portrayed as a supporter of violent Johad who needs to remain in custody without bond states the court motion.

Prosecutors write: "On September 7, 2009, Headley and Rana took a long car ride and discussed several topics. This conversation was recorded. {Recorded by the FBI - they bugged the car} During their conversation, Headley and Rana discussed the attacks that occurred in late November 2008 in Mumbai, India, in which approximately 170 people were killed. It is clear from the conversation and extrinsic corroboration that Rana was told just days before the Mumbai attacks that the attacks were about to happen. Elsewhere in the conversation, Rana asked Headley to pass Rana's compliments directly to the specific Lashkar e Tayyiba member they both knew who had coordinated the attacks."

It is unclear who or how the recording was made, although the government is known to have been following both men throughout the summer months. The FBI had been intercepting both phone calls and had the pair under surveillance around the time the eavesdropping was conducted in the car.

The government's motion describes how Rana had learned of the pending Mumbai attack during an in person meeting with Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed, aka "Pasha," a former Pakistani military officer who has been accused with Headley in connection with a Danish terror plot. Prosecutors say Rana and Pasha met in Dubai and discussed the Mumbai attacks before they took place.

This is a portion of the car conversation between Headley and Rana from the Sept. 7 recording, according to federal prosecutors
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Headley: When Pasha met you in Dubai [and] told you this was about to happen - this one, after that when you landed in America, how did you find out about it?

Rana: I was in the air.

Headley: How did you find out about it in the air -

Rana: Yeah

Headley: - was it coming in writing there.

Rana: I was in the air and [ui] I went to -

Headley: Yeah

Rana: I went from Dubai to China - was supposed to board the plane for America - this has started.

Headley: In Mumbai, yeah.

Rana: Yeah.

* * *

Headley: Did Pasha not say that?

Rana: Yes.

Headley: When he mentioned that -

Rana: What?

Headley: Pasha had mentioned that in Dubai that this is how -

Rana: That he said to me as well; but I deliberately have started planning.

Headley: Yes, yes absolutely.

Travel records for Rana corroborate that Rana was in Dubai days before the Mumbai attacks and was returning from China when the attacks occurred. Rana flew to Dubai and arrived on November 21, 2008.3/ Rana remained in Dubai until November 24, 2008. On November 24, 2008, Rana traveled to China from Dubai.4/ Then, on November 26, 2008 - the day that the Mumbai attacks started - Rana boarded a plane to return to America."

During questioning after his arrest, Rana told the FBI that he had no knowledge of the Mumbai attacks. He insisted that his discussion of the other possible terrorist attack locations was just talk about possible business opportunities.

Rana will appear in a Chicago courtroom tomorrow afternoon. His attorney is expected to continue a request that Rana be allowed to post bond.

Terror suspect: Pakistani army officers are jihadists

They were arrested and charged in the same case. But now the wheels of justice are turning in different directions for David Coleman Headley and Tahawwura Hussain Rana.

Headley is cooperating with federal authorities in an expanding investigation of a Pakistani terrorism cell that the FBI says he oversaw in Chicago.

Rana is fighting the charges and battling for bond as his lawyers suggest he was duped by the plot's alleged Chicago agent, David Headley.

Among the details that FBI interrogators have elicited from David Coleman Headley is "the involvement of Pakistani army officers in planning and executing terrorist operations against India" according to a report in the Times of India.

Headley, alias Daood Gilani, told FBI agents that a "section of serving Pakistan army officers" is working in collaboration with Jihadist groups including Lashkar-e-Tayyeba or LeT.

The information provided by Headley is consistent with what was found by an independent agency of the involvement of Pakistani army officers in Lashkar and other known terrorist organizations.

Headley whose mother is American but whose father was a Pakistani diplomat, grew up in Pakistan before moving to the United States. He and Rana were initially charged with a plot to attack a Danish newspaper that had published anti-Muslim cartoons.

However, Headley has since also been charged with scouting locations for a three-day Pakistani terrorist attack that began in Mumbai on November 26, 2008 and resulted in the deaths of 175 people.

A retired Pakistani military official was added to the latest terror charges by federal prosecutors in Chicago.

"During their discussions with FBI, the Indian side told them about their strong suspicion that Headley was present in the Karachi control room from which the Lashkar leadership choreographed the 26/11 terror attacks. The FBI team said this was not borne out by the evidence in their possession but the Indian side has asked the US agency to check a few facts which they have promised to do" the newspaper reported in today's editions.

Top officials of Indian law enforcement agencies were provided with details of the Headley interviews by an FBI team which visited south Asia last week

Pakistan has called the instances of army official being involved in terrorism "aberrations."

The FBI interrogation of David Coleman Headley "has revealed a Lashkar training project involving jihadi fugitives from India" states the Times of India report. "The youth, after they are trained by Pakistani army officials, are sent back to India as part of the gameplan to conceal the Pakistani involvement and pass off the terror in India as a home-grown phenomenon."

Headley case results in visa changes for Americans

The five trips Headley made from Chicago to India allegedly to conduct surveillance of hotels, restaurants and Jewish gathering places, were accomplished on a tourist visa. Under the nation's rules during the two-year period when Headley was visiting, tourists were permitted to use a single visa on multiple visits.

That is changing. Although specific rules have not been announced, Americans may soon have to wait 60-days between each exit and re-entry. According to the Hindustan Times, Indian security agencies pushed for the changes because of Headley's use of a tourist visa as a revolving door to Mumbai.

The United States Embassy in New Delhi sent a message to Americans in India stating that "The government of India is reviewing its regulations pertaining to the entry of American citizens holding long-term Indian tourist visas" reported the Hindustan Times. "To date, these new regulations are not finalized and are being implemented inconsistently."

Headley is being held without bond at the MCC-Chicago and awaits a January court date.

Rana is due to appear in federal court Tuesday in Chicago for another bond hearing. He has been held since his arrest in October without a bond decision from Magistrate Judge Nan Nolan.
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Aha! So it would appear that Gilani got caught because of the Rana contact, not vice versa. That begins to explain a lot, and lends credence to the CT that Gilani had several wives - SeeAiyah, Aiyyessai, Pakifauj, Dee Eeyah, besides L-e-T.

The other reason why they would tell Rana about the timing of the attacks is if he was the funding source.
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NDTV buck stops here, a prespective on this case.

http://www.ndtv.com/news/videos/video_p ... id=1185040
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Ananya wrote:NDTV buck stops here, a prespective on this case.

http://www.ndtv.com/news/videos/video_p ... id=1185040
Burkha is hyping the double-agent aspect, maybe to divert attention from the Pakis.

My take is that he could have been a useful idiot, but not a shill. Given his oft-expressed and fanatical support for Jihadism, and hatred for infidels, it is unlikely that he would consciously commit terrorism on behalf of a western agency.

What is likely is that US agencies were watching him, and had an idea of what was happening. Indeed, some warnings were given to India just before 26/11.

But Headley was protected, and India was not given the intelligence that would have allowed Indian police to arrest Headley in Mumbai.
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gandharva wrote:MODI, AHMEDABAD WERE HEADLEY TARGETS

‘Karachi Project’ Had Plotted Spectacular Strike On Civilians In City

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/ ... =HTML&GZ=T
Modi needs to watch out - he is pretty much the only credible leader on the scene, and there are a lot of people who have Takleef with him (and that could include not only Paki types but also Indians).
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:eek:
‘Headley quizzed 26/11 accused’
MUMBAI: Sabahuddin Ahmed, one of the three arrested accused in the 26/11 terror attack case, has claimed that alleged Lashkar operative David Headley had interrogated him while he was in the custody of the Mumbai Police. According to Ahmed, Headley was part of an FBI team that had interrogated him while he was in police custody. He is also likely to move a plea before the Esplanade court seeking appropriate action against Headley.
:shock: :-?
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What ? :shock: :evil: The pictures of the earlier FBI team's visit appeared before. Does anybody have them ? Can we prove it ?
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:-? :evil: :eek: :shock:

Truth is stranger than fiction.. :roll:
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AdityaM wrote:MUMBAI: Sabahuddin Ahmed, one of the three arrested accused in the 26/11 terror attack case, has claimed that alleged Lashkar operative David Headley had interrogated him while he was in the custody of the Mumbai Police. According to Ahmed, Headley was part of an FBI team that had interrogated him while he was in police custody. He is also likely to move a plea before the Esplanade court seeking appropriate action against Headley.
:eek: :shock:
That's just too outrageous to be true. If Headley had entered India as member of an FBI team, the Home ministry would know it!
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Just curious, were any esteemed Bollywood, media contacts asked to stay from the TAJon the night of 26/11?
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I first called it curious as it was odd for a Pak-Am jihadi to be so involved. Now its getting curiouser and curiouser by the day.

Did Headley visit India after the attack? Is it possible he flashed his DEA ID card and blustered his way with the police? After all the Bhatts' thought he was an American. Police might also have waved him in?
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Very odd!

One wonders what is really going on!

Could he be a double agent?

There is also the interesting case of five US Muslims who were recruited via the Internet but were not accepted by the Taliban as they were wary that they were US agents!
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