Telangana Monitor

skher · Post by **skher** » 16 Dec 2009 22:09

Posted in full from wiki:

1. There will be one legislature for the whole of Andhra Pradesh which will be the sole law making body for the entire state and there be one Governor for the State aided and advised by the Council of Ministers responsible to the State Assembly for the entire field of Administration.

2. For the more convenient transaction of the business of Government with regard to some specified matters the Telangana area will be treated as one region.

3. For the Telangana region there will be a Regional Standing Committee of the state assembly consisting of the members of the State Assembly belonging to that region including the Ministers from that region but not including the Chief Minister.

4. Legislation relating to specified matters will be referred to the Regional committee. In respect of specified matters proposals may also be made by the Regional Committee to the State Government for legislation or with regard to the question of general policy not involving any financial commitments other than expenditure of a routine and incidental character.

5. The advice tendered by the Regional Committee will normally be accepted by the Government and the State Legislature. In case of difference of opinion, reference will be made to the Governor whose decision will be binding.

6. The Regional Committee will deal with following matters:
--Development and economic planning within the framework of the general development plans formulated by the State Legislature.

--Local Self Government, that is to say, the Constitutional powers of Municipal Corporations, Improvement Trusts, District Boards and district authorities for the purpose of Local Self Government or Village Administration.

--Public health and sanitation, local hospitals and dispensaries.

--Primary and secondary education.

--Regulation of admission to the educational institutions in the telangana region.

--Prohibition—Sale of agricultural lands.

--Cottage and small scale Industries, and Agriculture, Cooperative Societies, Markets and Fairs. Unless revised by agreement earlier this arrangement will be reviewed after ten years.

7. Domicile Rules : A temporary provision be made to ensure that for a period of five years, Telangana is regarded as a unit as far as recruitment to subordinate services is concerned; posts borne on the cadre of these services may be reserved for being filled up by persons who satisfy the domicile conditions as prescribed under the existing Hyderabad Mulki Rules. ( 12 years of Stay in Telangana area)

8. Distribution of expenditure between Telangana and Andhra Regions--- Allocation of expenditure with the resources of the state is a matter which falls within the purview of the State Government and the State Legislature.. Since , however, it has been agreed to the representatives of Andhra and Telangana that the expenditure of the new state on central and general administration should be borne proportionately by the two regions and the balance of income should be reserved for expenditure on the development of Telangana area, it is open to the state government to act in accordance with the terms of agreement in making budgetary allocations. The Government of India propose to invite the attention of the Chief Minister of Andhra to this particular understanding and to express the hope that it will be implemented.

9. The existing educational facilities including Technical Education in Telangana should be secured to the students of Telangana and further improved---

10. The cabinet will consist of members in proportion of 60:40 percent for Andhra and Telangana respectively, out of 40 % of Telangana ministers, one will be a Muslim from Telangana. If the Chief Minister is from one region the other region should be given Dy Chief Ministership.

If ironed out, IMVHO we have a potentially sustainable model of devolved power with divisional/taluka/mandala level finally getting some electoral representation (the only level left out today).

Why not implemented?

Until 1962, we had the agency system with NEFA as last example.....maybe such bodies if directly elected and funded concurrently by state & centre (some ratio selected) would remove lopsided development.

However, with increasing decentralization, bureaucracy and police machinery need to be reformed such that the process strengthens the system and not become cannon fodder for Naxals.

JMT

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 16 Dec 2009 22:12

OT, but a long-overdue tribute to Rahul Mehta: see the revelations about Supreme Court "Justice" Dinakaran.

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 16 Dec 2009 22:13

Anti-Telangana group develops caste cracks
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 341968.cms

Sridhar · Post by **Sridhar** » 16 Dec 2009 22:36

BTW, there have been suggestions to form a new States Reorganization Commission, as if it is a panacea to resolve the mess. The smooth process by which states were reorganized by the previous SRC is quoted in support of this suggestion.

However, what is going to be the mandate to such an SRC? The last time around, the political decision was taken to reorganize states around linguistic grounds. Then the SRC was mandated to identify regions that were linguistically one. Hence, all the SRC had to do was to identify districts, across political boundaries if necessary, where a common language was spoken. There was largely no opposition to the political decision itself and hence the only disputes were about facts (i.e. whether a majority of people in a district spoke language A or language B ). This was relatively easily resolved using census data.

This time, is the SRC going to be mandated to identify which regions within states are backward as a result of being part of the respective states? If the mandate is to reorganize states in order to make them administratively more efficient, how is future administrative going to be predicted? In sum, these are necessarily subjective questions, unlike the last SRC, which merely had to consider objective questions using available historical data. The only subjective decisions of the SRC were in cases where there were enclaves (e.g. Bangalore Cantt., which was majority Tamil speaking, parts of Northern Karnataka that were majority Marathi speaking, and parts of AP and TN which were respectively majority Tamil and Telugu speaking). These were relatively easily resolved using contiguity arguments.

Thus, political questions need to be resolved politically. Commissions will not solve this mess.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 16 Dec 2009 22:39

I was thinking about the "blackmail by hunger" {BbH} tactic in the last few days.

SwamyG,

Blackmail is never to be accepted.

It is, to me, most reprehensible an act.

That is not the way to seek a solution!

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 16 Dec 2009 23:07

^^^
RayC: I concur, that is why I said "blackmail" can cause harm to the nation. But "hunger strikes" definitely draw attention to the "cause".

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Dec 2009 23:19

PTI reports....

PRP under pressure for a rethink on Telangana issue
STAFF WRITER 22:3 HRS IST
Hyderabad, Dec 16 (PTI) Along with TDP, K Chiranjeevi-led Praja Rajyam Party today came under pressure from within for a rethink on its stand on Telangana statehood issue as the actor-turned-politician bought 15 days time from his MLAs to come out with a clear stand.

Leaders from different districts of Telangana reached the party headquarters here to express their displeasure in the midst of speculation that he was going to announced the party's changed stand on bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh.

Presidents of PRP's Medak, Nalgonda, Karimnagar, Mahbubnagar, Warangal and Hyderabad districts drove to Chiranjeevi's residence for a meeting to discuss the issue.

PRP's MLA from Telangana region A Maheswar Reddy too joined the meeting and sought a clarification from Chiranjeevi on reports that he was now favouring a unified state against the party's line for a Telangana.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 16 Dec 2009 23:24

SwamyG wrote:^^^
RayC: I concur, that is why I said "blackmail" can cause harm to the nation. But "hunger strikes" definitely draw attention to the "cause".

I will be honest.

Hunger strike has been sanctified by the Father of the Nation.

Sad, but true.

What can be done?

It has become a fashion statement!

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 16 Dec 2009 23:31

joshvajohn wrote:Anti-Telangana group develops caste cracks
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 341968.cms

Tirupati MLA, PRP head and actor Chiranjeevi is resigning.

Tirupati People were asking MLA and MP to resign and asking where their MP was gone. Now Chinta Mohan is surfacing with this statement.

Let Mr Chinta Mohan make the same statement in Tirupati. Looks like he settled in Delhi permanently with the money he got from Central Congress for this sabotage.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Dec 2009 23:34

RayC wrote:
SwamyG wrote:^^^
RayC: I concur, that is why I said "blackmail" can cause harm to the nation. But "hunger strikes" definitely draw attention to the "cause".
I will be honest.

Hunger strike has been sanctified by the Father of the Nation.

Sad, but true.

What can be done?

It has become a fashion statement!

Mahatma Gandhi was on hunger strike against a foreign unrepresentative (not elected by Indians) govt.

The hunger strikes after Independence are not of the same genre for no one can say the govt is a foreign one or unrepresentative one. By persisting with the same weapons the hunger strikers are saying, and the people who support them are saying, that the govt is not representative of their wishes. They had Elections to express their wishes and did.

So I dont consider the Mahatma's hunger strike as of the same sanctity as IV fed fake hunger strikes by diabetics. Such a hunger strike is an attempt at suicide.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 16 Dec 2009 23:39

Ramana,

I would not state anything against what you state.

But is hunger strike not a blackmail?

What was OK with the Mahatma maybe OK, I would not know about it but for the Andhra people, it apparently is blackmail.

Referendum is a better way out? Maybe.

And how many votes has KCR got and how many representatives?

If he has failed, is blackmail the way to win?

I would not know.

I leave it you all!

I am no one to advise. It is for you all to decide!

Do the Telengana people feel that they are under foreign rule?

I would not know!

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 16 Dec 2009 23:43

Sridhar wrote:BTW, what is the basis for all the angst against Chidambaram ? Other than the fact that he announced a decision taken by the Prime Minister, in consultation with the Chief Minister of AP, what is his fault? Or that of Veerappa Moily? These are not rhetorical questions - I genuinely want to understand the grievances against them but have not been able to find them clearly enunciated in the media.

AP CM maintained "I didn't know" regarding this Chidambaram statement. AP-CM was out of the loop in their political shenanigans. Moily is law minister and Congress Party leader for AP affairs.

I'm noticing English media started to becoming Central congress mouth piece. It is possible non-Telugu speaking people are getting different information and impression. Telugu media is doing good job so far to lay out what is happening.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 16 Dec 2009 23:48

RayC wrote:
And how many votes has KCR got and how many representatives?

RayC,

AP has total assembly seats of 294. Around 119 seats of them are in Telangana. He won 29 seats.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 16 Dec 2009 23:49

Isn't hunger strike against the law? It is an attempt to commit suicide which I think is against the law.

Do these politicians get charged with the crime or not?

Sridhar · Post by **Sridhar** » 16 Dec 2009 23:49

ShyamSP:

But why take the word of the AP CM as gospel? It appears that there is sufficient basis for him to deny involvement in the decision, to protect his own skin. Also, even if what he is saying is true, why is PC being singled out? Any insights from the Telugu media (which I and I suspect a majority of BRFites don't have access to) would be very helpful.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 16 Dec 2009 23:52

Things seem to be taking ugly turn. Congress doesn't seem to be in the mood to solve the crisis

-Telengana leaders are encouraging to attack Chiru/Allu kids' movies in Telegana. T-leaders started damaging private properties of non-Telengana people.

-Police beat the heck out of Krishnadevraya University students to flare up anger the same way they did to OU students that flared up T-passions in them.

-From TOI news look like Central Congress is whipping caste divisions.

ramana wrote:PTI reports....

PRP under pressure for a rethink on Telangana issue
STAFF WRITER 22:3 HRS IST
Hyderabad, Dec 16 (PTI) Along with TDP, K Chiranjeevi-led Praja Rajyam Party today came under pressure from within for a rethink on its stand on Telangana statehood issue as the actor-turned-politician bought 15 days time from his MLAs to come out with a clear stand.

Leaders from different districts of Telangana reached the party headquarters here to express their displeasure in the midst of speculation that he was going to announced the party's changed stand on bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh.

Presidents of PRP's Medak, Nalgonda, Karimnagar, Mahbubnagar, Warangal and Hyderabad districts drove to Chiranjeevi's residence for a meeting to discuss the issue.

PRP's MLA from Telangana region A Maheswar Reddy too joined the meeting and sought a clarification from Chiranjeevi on reports that he was now favouring a unified state against the party's line for a Telangana.

yvijay · Post by **yvijay** » 16 Dec 2009 23:53

Sridhar wrote:BTW, what is the basis for all the angst against Chidambaram ? Other than the fact that he announced a decision taken by the Prime Minister, in consultation with the Chief Minister of AP, what is his fault? Or that of Veerappa Moily? These are not rhetorical questions - I genuinely want to understand the grievances against them but have not been able to find them clearly enunciated in the media.

I think this is to take the blame away from Sonia and Rahul Gandhi, to make them look innocent. This is a standard tactic employed by the congresswallahs when they don’t like the high command decision. They know they’ll thrown under the bus, if they criticize Sonia or Rahul directly.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Dec 2009 23:55

RayC,
My issue is to compare the hunger strikes by Mahatma Gandhiji and all other sundry self serving politicans.

Its not the same thing and betrays lack of knowledge of why MKGji chose the method.

its the State political administration that confuses the same moral issues and equates both the acts.

However when they feel no threat they are very clear about how to deal with the threat.

Rajdeep Sardesai has this in his op-ed:
A star is born

KCR is no Mahatma. Far from it. Nor is he a Potti Sreeramulu, whose fast-unto-death led to the formation of Andhra Pradesh in 1952. But KCR has shown that it is possible to use a Gandhian tool in a contemporary India that otherwise identifies with the Mahatma only through the cinematic glow of a Munnabhai. In Gandhi’s view, “the fasts must have a concrete and specific goal, not abstract aims” and “the fast must not ask people to do something they were incapable of, or to cause great hardship.” The ‘success’ of Gandhi’s fasts were based on his moral power, his ability to emotionally unite a nation with the spirit of sacrifice.

The ‘success’ of KCR’s fast, on the other hand, has much to do with the power of the visual image and the impact it can have in shaping public perceptions. That there has always been a popular pro-Telangana sentiment is undeniable. But that sentiment has needed a symbol around which it can crystallise. For the last ten days, Andhra Pradesh’s dozen-plus Telugu news channels — more than any other state in the country — have shown little else but an emaciated Rao in different hospitals. The image of a politician on saline drip with doctors offering hourly health updates was enough to build a larger-than-life aura around a leader who otherwise had dropped off the headlines.

Making KCR’s task easier was a weak and nervous Andhra government still coming to terms with YSR’s death. A strong state government would not have allowed the student agitation in Osmania University to get out of control and would have sent out a firm message of zero tolerance for any law and order disturbance. Unfortunately, K. Rosaiah is a CM who feels so obliged that the Congress high command has given him the post that he has forgotten his prime responsibility lies in governing the state.

So, will other movements for separate states now gather fresh momentum and will we see more ‘fasts unto death’ in the weeks ahead? An Ajit Singh in Uttar Pradesh, Gorkhaland activists in West Bengal, even the ageing Vidarbha warriors may be tempted to test the resolve of the State, or at least try and make political capital of the post-Telangana concession. No two situations are alike, but a State which capitulates once gives the impression that it can do so again in the future. So, the fast as made for television event may well be replicated in other parts of the country.

Ironically, the one individual who perhaps best exemplifies the Gandhian spirit of fasting isn’t on the national television map. Last month marked nine years since a frail, but remarkably gritty Manipuri woman, Irom Sharmila went on a fast unto death, demanding the removal of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act. Locked up in a hospital room in Imphal, she has been force-fed by the government and re-arrested every time she is granted bail.

{See the resolve of the state when required!}

She is a staunch believer in ahimsa, and its the State and the militant groups in Manipur who stand charged with violence and human rights violations. Perhaps, Manipur isn’t mainstream enough, nor is there the kind of relentless news coverage that will make Irom Sharmila’s story force the Indian State to accommodate, or at least listen to her brave voice. Irom Sharmila is a true inheritor of the Gandhian legacy of peaceful protest; KCR is only an ambitious politician who is looking to revive his career.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 16 Dec 2009 23:58

ravi_ku wrote:
RayC wrote:
And how many votes has KCR got and how many representatives?
RayC,

AP has total assembly seats of 294. Around 119 seats of them are in Telangana. He won 29 seats.

Wrong.

10 out of 294 (Well, rather 10 out of 119). If there was no TDP tie-up, they would have won couple of seats.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Dec 2009 00:00

ShyamSP, An unstated corrollary of PVNR's "inaction is also action" is that the situation has to be allowed to boil over so that all the factions percieve there is no other alternative to the one that the Govt takes.

Too early an action gives the groups chances to express dissent and sabotage the govt. This always happens in ruling factions which have deep divisions.

So what the AP govt is doing is lettig the T leaders run amok when the people will ask what is the govt doing? And then take action.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Dec 2009 00:38

The cine-field is also pulled in.

Things are gaining momentum. Telanganavadis are pushing things out of control, by demanding every one who invested in Hyderabad to support Telangana, as if they got all these lands for free. They are hurting Telangana cause with this type of statements and demands.

My earlier comparison between TRS/Telangana-vadis with MNS is becoming true.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 17 Dec 2009 00:47

In other news, Kerala plans 1st Islamic bond issue

We are sickuloor onlee.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 17 Dec 2009 00:49

RamaY wrote:My earlier comparison between TRS/Telangana-vadis with MNS is becoming true.

What are the similarities between TRS & MNS ?

P.S.: i am from Costa.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 17 Dec 2009 00:51

RamaY wrote:The cine-field is also pulled in.

Things are gaining momentum. Telanganavadis are pushing things out of control, by demanding every one who invested in Hyderabad to support Telangana, as if they got all these lands for free. They are hurting Telangana cause with this type of statements and demands.

My earlier comparison between TRS/Telangana-vadis with MNS is becoming true.

Tvadis have no guts to take Telengana without Hyderabad even if they are to given all the capital costs of developing another city. They want to gain exclusivity on Hyderabad and feed on the money Hyderabad generates.

We haven't seen what Hyderbad politicians are upto. They will have to come to Tvadis and say lay-off

Tvadis don't have exclusive claim on Hyderabad. They were part of Nizam/Hyderabad state. Before AP, all parts of Nizam/Hyderabad including Telengana had claim on Hyderabad. After AP, all parts/districts of AP have claim on Hyderabad. They are not getting that point.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Dec 2009 01:58

shravan wrote:
RamaY wrote:My earlier comparison between TRS/Telangana-vadis with MNS is becoming true.
What are the similarities between TRS & MNS ?

P.S.: i am from Costa.

Shravan-ji,

Both groups claim leadership for local-interests (rightly), but use violence/abuse against non-local interests as the strategy (wrongly).

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Dec 2009 03:38

What are the "united" voices in Telangana region?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Dec 2009 03:57

Expressbuzz: Political Economy and Regional Articulation

Says Godavari will become contentious once Telangana is formed.

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 17 Dec 2009 05:40

A stumbling block to growth: CPM

Express News Service
First Published : 16 Dec 2009 02:35:00 AM IST
Last Updated : 16 Dec 2009 07:57:41 AM IST

CHENNAI: The CPM’s State council on Tuesday termed the demand for the bifurcation of Tamil Nadu as a narrow-minded idea as such a move would only act a stumbling block to the development of the State. “For a nation like India that has multiple races, languages and cultural aspects, continuation of linguistic States would be appropriate for the integrity of the country,’’ a resolution adopted at the two-day executive committee of the CPM’s State council, which ended here on December 14.

http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/stor ... p3kQ=&SEO=

My comments: Why then the DMK or AIADMK or any other party are not concerned with the infrastructure or investments or industrialies or development in South Tamil Nadu?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Dec 2009 06:23

^^^

Our economy is not there yet so we can develop the infra wherever we want, like PRC's multi-billion Lhasa rail.

We need to focus our investments on getting highest ROI.

Now why isn't our beloved Union HM not worried about it and give a separate state to south-tamilnadu as a birthday gift to Rahul-maharaj?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Dec 2009 07:38

Hyderabad's Image takes a beating

The continuing political uncertainty and agitations across the State following the UPA Government's announcement on the issue of statehood for Telangana has even cast its shadow on an Indo-US scientific meet in Hyderabad.

Four top US scientists working in the area of genomics and nearly 50 Indian researchers from outside the State pulled out of the three-day, Indo-US workshop that began here today, due mainly to the fallout of the Telangana issue.

With the IT, hospitality, realty and travel sectors increasingly feeling the impact with each passing day, the issue threatens to dent Hyderabad's image as a favoured destination for meetings and academic activity, feel industry insiders.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 17 Dec 2009 07:47

Rahul Mehta:
1. Now HCjs in AP HC are from coastal region, and so the lawyers from coastal AP make more money than lawyers from Telangana even if both are of same caliber.

2. Five months is enough time for coastal AP's upper middle class to fix the administration and get rid of all laws that promote nepotism and favoritsm

a_bharat :
1. Clients pay on the basis of perceived abilities (reputation) of the lawyers and not on the basis of where they come from. Perhaps you are implying that HC Justices decide their cases on the basis of the region from which the lawyers come. This is ridiculous. If you say some HC Justices are corrupt, I agree, but that is another topic.

2. Can you point to one such law that promotes nepotism and favoritism?

1. The clients pay lawyers based on how close the lawyer is to the judges. Now due to nepotism, HCj from coastal AP favors his relative lawyer, who will be from coastal AP. There is no regionalism. An HCj from coastal-AP is more likely to have relatives and close friends from coastal-AP . Now if say over 80% of HCjs are from coastal AP, then all beefy cases will go to their relatives, most of whom will be from coastal-AP and the lawyers from Telangana will only get clerical work. eg1 Most of my relatives are from Gujarat, and so if I become SCj, I will be favoring them, not your relatives and all of them will be Gujju. eg2 If out of 25 SCjs, if 20+ are from Gujarat, then Gujju lawyers will rule the roost, and lawyers from your state will have to clean windows. In both example, there was no regionalism, but non-Gujjus will be royally mad. Same goes with administration from Village Officer (Talati, Patwari, Mandal Officer, Collector, Dept Secy etc).

2. Plenty. In AP (and rest of India), judges appoint judges, and so only relatives of judges become judges (spare some cases of corporate sponsorship). In AP (and rest of India), judges and not Jurors give verdict and so judges relative lawyers earn 10-100 times more than non-relatives. Officers are recruited after so called interview which again involves nothing but nepotism and corruption. Recruitment in Universities is using interview and so nepotism is rampant. I can give 100-200 more examples. The people in upper middle class of coastal AP benefit from these laws, as they have more relatives in courts, administration etc than upper middle class of Telangana. The choice is theirs now. If they want to keep this benefits, I dont see any hope. If they decide to get rid of these bad laws, Telanganites may change their mind.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 17 Dec 2009 08:19

An interesting comparison can be made with Saurastra.

Saurastra was ruled by about 50-100 Princely States, some as bad as Nizam and some not-so-bad. Rest of the Gujarat was under British. So education in Gujarat was much higher compared to Saurastra. In 1948, Saurastra became a State under Indian Union. When talks were going to merge Saurastra with Mumbai State, there was significant opposition But nevertheless, Saurastra was merged with Mumbai State. In 1960, Mumbai was split into Gujarat and MH. Even then many in Saurastra wanted a separate Saurastra. The demand became zero by 1970 and today most youngsters dont know that Saurastra ever wanted to be separate.

Why?

Land reforms were successfully done in 1950s in Saurastra . LR succeeded because local judges did not have relative landlords --- a feature of the then social setup of Saurastra. Land reforms reduced poverty. Due to reduction in poverty, education improved immidiately. So by 1960s, people from Saurastra were able to get plenty of jobs in Gujarat and Indian Govt. In Gujarat and entire India, recruitment in Govt was (X% nepotism, 100-X merit), and X increased with time as number of educated people in the relatives of powerful increased. eg 1950s, many people got GoI jobs by merit and not nepotism as the powerful ones didnt have enough qualified people in their relatives ; by 1980s, almost 100% recruitment was by nepotism.

In Telangana, the local judges and HC judges blocked land reforms because they had many relative landlords. So poverty in Telangana did not reduce as fast as it did in Saurastra. And so education in Telangana was delayed till in 1970s and 1980s. So till 1970s, recruitees in AP administration were mostly from coastal AP. After 1980s, Telangana got significant education due to politicians vote-hunger. But by then, almost 100% recruitment in Govt was on the nepotism-basis. So Telanganites could not get many Govt/court jobs.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 17 Dec 2009 08:37

Folks,

What time it is?

Time to manufacture a few CTs (Conspiracy Theories)

1. Ever since anti-defection law came, CMs have become demi-Gods and MLAs have become peons. Now in past, a leader with 10-20 MLAs as his slaves was able to collect cash from CM. But these days, CM pays no money to such guys as he cant do much damage. So these sartaps see separate State as only way to collect cash from Govt business.

2. In AP, YSR wanted huge cash for oil which is extracted by Rockefellerjee (well, technically, it is Mukeshjee ; but Mukeshjee is Rockefellerjee's agent only and I want to skip the unimportant details). Now smaller a state, easier it would be to control CM and convince him to accept less bribe as well as less official royalty. So Rockefellerjee badly needs AP to split

3. You all might want to consider the possibility that YSR was accidented by Rockefellerjee because YSR would not have accepted trifurcation of AP. And now that YSR is accidented, it is easier to split AP and settle oil royalties issue.

If oil can kill 500,000 in Iraq, oil can surely cause a few events in AP. So please do consider these crude but oily CTs and pass them on. It is our duty to spread the truth, and it is our duty to spread CTs when no one knows the truth.

Because out of 100 CTs we decide to spread, one of them could be true though we will never know which one.

===

Folks,

I have proposed a LAW that can reduce the fire in AP. I request you all to do the same.

RameshVarma · Post by **RameshVarma** » 17 Dec 2009 09:58

Rahul Mehta wrote:
Rahul Mehta:
1. Now HCjs in AP HC are from coastal region, and so the lawyers from coastal AP make more money than lawyers from Telangana even if both are of same caliber.

2. Five months is enough time for coastal AP's upper middle class to fix the administration and get rid of all laws that promote nepotism and favoritsm

a_bharat :
1. Clients pay on the basis of perceived abilities (reputation) of the lawyers and not on the basis of where they come from. Perhaps you are implying that HC Justices decide their cases on the basis of the region from which the lawyers come. This is ridiculous. If you say some HC Justices are corrupt, I agree, but that is another topic.

2. Can you point to one such law that promotes nepotism and favoritism?
1. The clients pay lawyers based on how close the lawyer is to the judges. Now due to nepotism, HCj from coastal AP favors his relative lawyer, who will be from coastal AP. There is no regionalism. An HCj from coastal-AP is more likely to have relatives and close friends from coastal-AP . Now if say over 80% of HCjs are from coastal AP, then all beefy cases will go to their relatives, most of whom will be from coastal-AP and the lawyers from Telangana will only get clerical work. eg1 Most of my relatives are from Gujarat, and so if I become SCj, I will be favoring them, not your relatives and all of them will be Gujju. eg2 If out of 25 SCjs, if 20+ are from Gujarat, then Gujju lawyers will rule the roost, and lawyers from your state will have to clean windows. In both example, there was no regionalism, but non-Gujjus will be royally mad. Same goes with administration from Village Officer (Talati, Patwari, Mandal Officer, Collector, Dept Secy etc).

2. Plenty. In AP (and rest of India), judges appoint judges, and so only relatives of judges become judges (spare some cases of corporate sponsorship). In AP (and rest of India), judges and not Jurors give verdict and so judges relative lawyers earn 10-100 times more than non-relatives. Officers are recruited after so called interview which again involves nothing but nepotism and corruption. Recruitment in Universities is using interview and so nepotism is rampant. I can give 100-200 more examples. The people in upper middle class of coastal AP benefit from these laws, as they have more relatives in courts, administration etc than upper middle class of Telangana. The choice is theirs now. If they want to keep this benefits, I dont see any hope. If they decide to get rid of these bad laws, Telanganites may change their mind.

If you say that nepotism is so rampant in the society, why do you think the division of state is going to help solve the problem? Assuming a new state is formed and tomorrow some region of the telanagana might come up saying that there are being marginalized so will you be creating a separate state out of that region too.

IF that's what you feel is reason for demanding a separate state than I feel my MOM loves my brother more than me, probably I should be demanding division in my house.

I checked that, number of sitting judges in AP high court is 30 and 11 of these judges are from Telanagana region. Yet their backwards is
due to evil andhraites.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 17 Dec 2009 10:56

Following is what I am writing to Admin

ShyamSP wrote:... Let Mr Chinta Mohan (some neta) make the same statement in Tirupati. Looks like he settled in Delhi permanently with the money he got from Central Congress for this sabotage.

I have NOTHING against ShyamSP or his statement. In fact, I support what he says and I want more and more people on BR, India to make such statements.

But please note in future that when I make such statements about Nbjprie, I should not be isolated out. There are many on BR who accuse Nbjprie of corruption without proofs.

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RayC · Post by **RayC** » 17 Dec 2009 11:05

Call me an illiterate.

What is Nbjprie?

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 17 Dec 2009 11:22

Rahul Mehta 1. The clients pay lawyers based on how close the lawyer is to the judges. Now due to nepotism, HCj from coastal AP favors his relative lawyer, who will be from coastal AP. There is no regionalism. An HCj from coastal-AP is more likely to have relatives and close friends from coastal-AP . Now if say over 80% of HCjs are from coastal AP, then all beefy cases will go to their relatives, most of whom will be from coastal-AP and the lawyers from Telangana will only get clerical work. eg1 Most of my relatives are from Gujarat, and so if I become SCj, I will be favoring them, not your relatives and all of them will be Gujju. eg2 If out of 25 SCjs, if 20+ are from Gujarat, then Gujju lawyers will rule the roost, and lawyers from your state will have to clean windows. In both example, there was no regionalism, but non-Gujjus will be royally mad. Same goes with administration from Village Officer (Talati, Patwari, Mandal Officer, Collector, Dept Secy etc).

2. Plenty. In AP (and rest of India), judges appoint judges, and so only relatives of judges become judges (spare some cases of corporate sponsorship). In AP (and rest of India), judges and not Jurors give verdict and so judges relative lawyers earn 10-100 times more than non-relatives. Officers are recruited after so called interview which again involves nothing but nepotism and corruption. Recruitment in Universities is using interview and so nepotism is rampant. I can give 100-200 more examples. The people in upper middle class of coastal AP benefit from these laws, as they have more relatives in courts, administration etc than upper middle class of Telangana. The choice is theirs now. If they want to keep this benefits, I dont see any hope. If they decide to get rid of these bad laws, Telanganites may change their mind.

RameshVarma : a. If you say that nepotism is so rampant in the society, why do you think the division of state is going to help solve the problem? Assuming a new state is formed and tomorrow some region of the telanagana might come up saying that there are being marginalized so will you be creating a separate state out of that region too. IF that's what you feel is reason for demanding a separate state than I feel my MOM loves my brother more than me, probably I should be demanding division in my house.

b. I checked that, number of sitting judges in AP high court is 30 and 11 of these judges are from Telanagana region. Yet their backwards is due to evil andhraites.

a. First, it is not what I say. Nepotism is rampant in Indian courts, administration. Even a blind man from Mars can see that. So there is no such thing as "my saying". And the legal solution I proposed is not split right away, but a referendum after 5 years in "Nizam area". What law do you propose to reduce existing fire? And yes, if the new state further leaves out a one area, then demand for further bifurfication may come. But for a demand of separate State to reach high, you need enough power in Delhi and an ordinary district may not be able to manage that.

b. Many wealthy ones from coastal-AP moved to Hyderabad and other parts of Telangana for business, govt jobs etc in 1950s. Their sons became judges in session courts in Telangana region and then moved into High Court. So if one goes by place of birth, they will all appear as Telanganites. But most of their relatives whom they will favor will be from coastal-AP. To get data about origin and study role of nepotism, knowing place of birth isnt enough. One would need to get residency of his great-grandfather, grandfather and father. Only other source is "the word in streets". Though educated people hate "the word in streets", I have found that the "word in streets" is often an accurate summation of such facts. And the word in streets says AP courts, administration are dominated by upper class and upper middle class from coastal-AP. I propose we enact a law to get data on 4th ancestor residency etc so that we get accurate information on nepotism in Indian administration. But till such law comes, I depend on the word on streets.

disha · Post by **disha** » 17 Dec 2009 11:45

RayC wrote:Call me an illiterate.

What is Nbjprie?

NGO, Babu, Jholawala, Pandu etc. Basically a self indulgent hoi polloi (as opposed to a genuflecting elite).

And no, that is not a drafting error!

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 17 Dec 2009 12:36

Rahul Mehta wrote:The demand became zero by 1970 and today most youngsters dont know that Saurastra ever wanted to be separate. So by 1960s, people from Saurastra were able to get plenty of jobs in Gujarat and Indian Govt.

Saurasthra complains of discrimination

“People from Saurashtra are often taunted with titles such as “kathiawadi” and “via Viramgam”,” said former labour minister in the Chimanbhai Patel government, Mansukhbhai Joshi. A Rajkot-based leader Ratibhai Channa was one of the first few leaders who launched a campaign to seek the status of a state for Saurasthra. Joshi feels Saurashtra would flourish as a separate region. “Smaller states such as Haryana and Himachal Pradesh witnessed considerable industrial development after they came into existence. The same could happen in Saurashtra,” he said.

Another proponent of a separate Saurashtra state, Pratap Shah, says the territory has always been an economic powerhouse. According to him, the region accounts for 20-30 per cent of state’s growth in sectors such as health and infrastructure. “Saurashtra has always fuelled state’s growth,” Shah, a former state finance minister, said. “It was an ideal place for governance even when it was a separate identity. It faced a lot of injustice after it was merged with Gujarat.”

One reason why Saurasthra and Kutch were merged into Gujarat was because their languages were not recognized by the union government at that time. Inhabitants of Gujarat look down upon the people of the other two regions as lazy and backward. In most of the factories located on the Ahmedabad-Kandla highway, the jobs are taken by people from Ahmedabad and not the locals.

In the late '90s farmers and oil millers had raised the demand for forming a separate state of Saurashtra & Kutch. But this demand does not have popular support anymore. And with an efficient leader like Narendra Modi at the helm, discrimination issues can be sorted out. To begin with he needs to solve the water crisis in these two regions.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 17 Dec 2009 13:13

Nbjprie : Neta, babu, judges, policemen, regulators, intellectuals and elitemen

Taken from rahulmehta.com