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He claimed he came to Mumbai to work in the film industry but was arrested on the night of November 25 and was implicated in the 26/11 case

Among other things, Kasab said that he was coerced into making a confession by the magistrate and said that he was not present during the attack on the Chhatrapati Shivaji Railway Terminus "I was not present in the CST and I did not open firing inside the railway station," he claimed.

Kasab claimed that he did not know anything about the dingy. "I saw the dingy for the first time in the Court," he said
Kasab has denied all the charges levelled against him during the eight-month long trial.
It[above statement] only proves he's a true Paki and a terrorist. Denial is the nature of these people. :evil:
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and the kind of people the p-sec brigade entertains.
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Tanaji wrote:
SSridhar wrote:We can now expect the p-secs, intellectuals and peaceniks to come crawling out of the woodworks pleading for and on behalf of a wonderful human being by the name of Ajmal Qasab.
Expect another bombastic interview by Zaid Hamid, which will be quoted by the likes of Javed, Teesta, Purefool Bidwai etc.
No no,
Jahil Hamid gets all his info from the Shoodaras and Daaalits in the police force in Inida. :cry:
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KaranR wrote:.
He claimed he came to Mumbai to work in the film industry but was arrested on the night of November 25 and was implicated in the 26/11 case

Among other things, Kasab said that he was coerced into making a confession by the magistrate and said that he was not present during the attack on the Chhatrapati Shivaji Railway Terminus "I was not present in the CST and I did not open firing inside the railway station," he claimed.

Kasab claimed that he did not know anything about the dingy. "I saw the dingy for the first time in the Court," he said
Kasab has denied all the charges levelled against him during the eight-month long trial.
It[above statement] only proves he's a true Paki and a terrorist. Denial is the nature of these people. :evil:
Somebody should have asked him about the photos captured by CCTV showing him carrying guns and shooting.

These jehadis have no courage at all. If they claim they do it for shahadat and Allah and what not, why do they deny it after the fact? Suddenly its not "duty and destiny" any more?
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Tanaji wrote:Somebody should have asked him about the photos captured by CCTV showing him carrying guns and shooting.
Tanaji, he has already answered that: it was presumably a look-alike.
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Tanaji wrote:Somebody should have asked him about the photos captured by CCTV showing him carrying guns and shooting.
It was his twin brother lost in Kumbh-mela, singing the family song.
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SSridhar wrote:
Tanaji wrote:Somebody should have asked him about the photos captured by CCTV showing him carrying guns and shooting.
Tanaji, he has already answered that: it was presumably a look-alike.
How can we doubt this kind soul?

We must have more people to people contacts. The nice porkis are even willing to help out in bollywood.

People like the Butts in bollywood need inspiring kasab and headley like company to produce their abominable potboilers to promote cross border love.
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Oh what a plot. Let me guess they were both wearing similar taviz(goat) around their neck. I tell ya
we dont need spend any more money on paki actor. We should hang him right in the middle of the
court session.
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Ah. Kasab is now fully indianized.
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shiv wrote:Ah. Kasab is now fully indianized.
Yes, now we can expect the "Brigade of Human Right Champions" also parroting his story. This has become a farce of the first order. Better was to send this chap to Pakistan. Would have saved lots of tax payer's money.
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I hope he is still getting his biriyanis and paneer curry in the jail.
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Sachin wrote:Yes, now we can expect the "Brigade of Human Right Champions" also parroting his story. This has become a farce of the first order. Better was to send this chap to Pakistan. Would have saved lots of tax payer's money.
Relax everyone! This is a normal delay tactic to prolong the trial after the lawyer of Kasab was thrown out by the courts. Ujjwal Nikam is not a baccha (kid) he and his able team will fix this abomination's appointment with 72. Let us not get worked up over normal legal tactics, his statements are meant for consumption by Jholawalas and Jahil Hamids of the world they will make no difference to the case.
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The case against Kasab is not based on confession. Its based on witness reports and visual evidence.

One curious thing is why he says he met Headley?
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 61#p791461
Maybe he wants to be extradiated to US for the Danish plot?
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This is shocking. Obviously no Mujaheddin would lie, so even though he was caught in the company of a Mujaheddin ( pest-e-sha'eeded by Mumbai police) he cannot be a Mujaheddin. Also, since he is lying he cannot be Pakistani, since Pakistanis are 400% honest like General Musharraf.

Poor baby! :(( The Indian police must have brainwashed him.
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IMVHO, when Kasab regularly changes his statements in front a judge then all his testimony becomes less credible. One day he claims he was the attacker and then retracts it. He makes a claim that he is a Paki and now we dont know whether he is an out of work actor. He claims to be the one in the CCTV videos and then he says its a look alike. His entire testimony can thus be thrown out by the judge. That does leave all the other evidence on the table for the judge to make a ruling.

We have video evidence from CCTV and 100 photographs by the Mid-day photo-journalist Sebastian D'Souza at CST. We have evidence from the cop trapped in the back of the Qualis used for the getaway. We have eye witness evidence from the victims including 270 odd witness who have been deposed in court and some 350 odd witness whose written testimony has been presented to the court. We have all seen the channel 4/ HBO documentary that included a footage of the Kasab interview from the hospital bed just hours after his capture. He was seen admitting to his guilt at CST. Thus I do not think the judge should have any qualms of passing a guilty verdict.

The issue for me is whether GoI has the desire to carry out the sentence. Will they hang him rightaway or will they let him spend the next 20 years going through the appeals process and then waiting his turn at the noose. From Wiki, Mohammad Afzal, also known as Afzal Guru, was convicted of conspiracy in the December 2001 attack on the Indian Parliament and was sentenced to death by the Supreme Court of India in 2004. The sentence was scheduled to be carried out on 20 October 2006. Afzal was given a stay of execution and remains on death row.
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ramana wrote:The case against Kasab is not based on confession. Its based on witness reports and visual evidence
Correct reading! He has more than 250 witnesses against him and also including the survivors in police party that captured him. With absolutely no trail of passport or any other travel documentation (for want of better words) his BS of a statement will be laughed out by the judge.
One curious thing is why he says he met Headley? Maybe he wants to be extradiated to US for the Danish plot?
Three angles:
1) A rather inane attempt at delaying the case by making Headley an alibi, to be questioned about Kasab's presence prior to 26/11 in Mumbai. Which, clearly would be a time consuming thing to do.
2) He is trying to put himself into Bollywood style Sanjay Dud and Rah-e-ullu Bhatt category of "innocent people" who strayed into the traps of "devious" mumbai police pandus.
3) Extradition to US is an angle that will ensure his appointment with the 72 even faster. Expect the relatives of Chabad house victims to use all the money in the world to get this guy convicted in US courts. Hence my opnion is that it is a delay tactic at best.
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A year since 26/11: OP Black Tornado: A Case Study

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Following is the report of a presentation, "Urban Counter Terrorism Operations: OP Black Tornado-A Case Study" by Maj Gen Abhaya Gupta, SM, VSM, IG (Ops), NSG (now retired) held at the United Service Institution of India, New Delhi, on 4 March, 2009.


Opening address by Lt Gen PK Singh, PVSM, AVSM (Retd), Director, USI:

Lt Gen PK Singh reflected that the subject “Urban Counter Terrorism Operations” is a very apt and hot topic for discussion worldwide, especially since 26/11.
The potential and probability of such un-conventional attacks taking place in any part of the world is a potent threat today, and hence the need for understanding the nature and environment of such a warfare in an urban setting and to counter it, The Royal United Services Institute in the UK held a seminar shortly after the Mumbai attack, realizing the need for comprehending such scenarios and the RAND corporation in the US had also sought inputs from USI on the response mechanism of the Indian security agencies to the Mumbai attack.

Lt Gen Noble Thamburaj, PVSM, SM, VCOAS (now retired):

Lt Gen Thamburaj asserted that it would be unfair to categorize that the entire country was held to ransom for 60 hours during the Mumbai attacks, though certain machineries of the government had stopped functioning.
The army and the NSG had to assume and get on with the job, as no clear picture of the unfolding situation was presented by people already on the ground.
Dwelling on the role played by the media, he believed that it was in fact, very well behaved and had not crossed the ‘Lakshman Rekha’ assigned to it or had hindered operations in any way.
The media had done a service to the nation by bringing the operations to the centre stage and forced the government to take hard decisions.

Maj Gen Abhaya Gupta, SM, VSM, IG (Ops), NSG

Part-I: ‘Operation Black Tornado’- The Mumbai Operations.

On the night of 26 November 2008, firing incidents had taken place at various locations in Mumbai. Initial reports suggested a gang-war taking place. However, in a few hours, it was confirmed to be a terrorist situation.
In an encounter with the Mumbai Police, one terrorist had been killed and one captured alive.
The National Security Guard (NSG) was inducted into Mumbai at 0300 h on
27 November 2008 after covering a distance of 1163 Km from New Delhi by
air transport.
Initially two targets were identified- The Taj Palace hotel and the Oberoi- Trident in South Mumbai. Accordingly, forces were divided into two parts, under the command of DIG (Ops) NSG and Deputy Force Commander, 51 SAG.
Preliminary briefing was provided by Mumbai Police and the hotel staff.
Accretions were being flown in for simultaneous operations.
Later, a terrorist situation was confirmed at a third location- the Nariman house, hence the task force was further divided into three sub-task forces, one each for the Taj, Oberoi-Trident and the Nariman house.
The second contingent arrived on 27 November and the third along with support elements on 28 November.
The Task Force comprised of 195 army personnel drawn from the 51 and 52 Special Action Groups (SAG).
Two sniper detachments from the Taj were sent to the Nariman House to pin down the terrorists present there, within the building.

The operational strategy was to neutralize the terrorists through ‘shock’ action using varied methods of insertions and tactical manoeuvering:-
· Using small ‘HIT’ teams of 5 personnel each.
· Inter and Intra Co-ordination and Communication.
· Top-down innovative tactics.
· Use overwhelming small arms fire to pin down the terrorists.
· Render safe procedure (RSP) to sanitize and secure the buildings.


Operations at the Taj Towers and the Taj Palace Hotel

Layout: The Taj Palace Hotel

· Length of each corridor per floor is about 840 ft, total length of the hotel being about 1.80 Kms.
· Total area- 49,1400 sq.ft.
· 330 rooms, 2-3 rooms in each suite, 140 miscellaneous rooms including generator plants, etc. (in the basement), 17 suites in each floor.


Layout of The Taj Towers:

· 21 floors with with 17 rooms in each floor.
· Total rooms - 323.

Difficulties in Conducting Operations

· Time to break open, enter and conduct quick search of one room took four-five minutes, for 500 rooms- 33-40 hrs,50-63 hrs for the Taj Towers alone.
· Inside the building only 200 SAG personnel operated.
· Large area of operations, ensuring safety of guests/ civilians.
· Thick granite walls of the Taj nullified effectiveness of rocket fire, hence were not used.
· Only one master key was available, hence doors had to be broken open.
· Limited hotel staff was available, no knowledge of various small rooms in the corridors which could be used as hiding places.
· Lack of ambient light inside the rooms and the curtains were drawn from inside.
· Occupants were too scared and never identified themselves or opened the doors upon knocking or calling. Some occupants had ventured out of their rooms earlier and were shot by the terrorists, word of this incident had spread quickly and the hotel staff had advised the guests to shut themselves inside their rooms.

At 0920 h on 27 November, the NSG took over operations from the MARCOS and obtained the hotel layout plan. The Taj Chambers and the restaurants were cleared and secured first. At the Taj Palace, the ground floor was secured and the OP base was set up there.
Top-down operations were launched by approaching the terrace from the service stairs.

Inputs had suggested that two terrorists were present inside the Taj. Contact was established at the first floor during floor clearance. Fire was coming from two terrorists from the left corner of the corridor.
One SAG commando got injured in the middle of the staircase leading to the first floor. It was then that Maj Sandeep Unnikrishnan pulled him down to the basement and asked his squad to stay there and charged the staircase himself, firing at the terrorists. At this moment, two more terrorists unexpectedly fired from the right corner of the first floor corridor, injuring Maj Unnikrishnan. He later succumbed to his injuries.

Eventually, the four terrorists got cornered at the Wasabi restaurant on the first floor.
Due to the wooden spiral staircases and granite walls of the bar, they were immune to NSG fire. IEDs were used to blast open entry into the restaurant and due to the blast effect and shock waves created, one terrorist jumped out of the window and was shot. The rest died inside the restaurant.

Operations at the Oberoi-Trident

Layout:

11 floors, with 33 rooms on each floor, three interlinking corridor at three levels (floors) with the Trident Hotel.

Unlike the Taj, the two terrorists here were not pro-active and after the initial shooting of guests on 26 November, lied low in a room. They opened fire only once while changing their location and on an another occasion when fired at.
They were fixed in room number 1856 which was opened using a master key and fire was drawn from the terrorists. One terrorist was killed while escaping near the lift on the corridor, while the other hid himself inside the bathroom. Later, it was ascertained that he was defiladed from own fire from outside as he had moved into the bathtub.
The Oberoi hotel was cleared by 1400 h on 28 November, and after render safe procedure, handed over to the civil police at 1800 h on 29 November.

Operations at Nariman House

Nariman House is located in a densely populated neighbourhood in South Mumbai. Inhabited by Jews, even residents of the area had no access to it, nor did anyone possess any knowledge of the layout inside.
Sniper detachments were positioned on the surrounding buildings, and the command base was set up near an under-construction building, which provided the vantage point to bring down observed fire on the Nariman House.
The terrorists while moving in had broken the window panes of the house which lay strewn on the ground. Therefore, the sound emanating from the broken glasses alerted the terrorists and would then bring down effective fire on the approaching commandos.

The building had iron grills on all sides and the curtains were drawn from inside. The terrorists had blasted the inner staircase connecting the floors, however could not prevent the commandos from negotiating them.
The maid while escaping with baby Moshe, informed that the terrorists had moved over to the adjacent Merchant House. At one time, the locals had speculated on the possibility of six terrorists including a female being present inside.
Owing to such mixed inputs, the clearance of all neighbouring buildings became a necessity and operations commenced on the intervening night of 27/28 November.
The signal intercept provided by the Mumbai Police, revealed the terrorists shooting down the remaining two female hostages, who had already been shot earlier.
The force was divided into an assault group, which slithered down the helicopter at 0715 h on 28 November, while the support element brought down observed fire on the building. There was no time for rehearsals.
The sixth and the fifth floors were cleared first and contact was established with the terrorists at 0800 h on the fourth floor.
It was at this moment, when Hav Gajender Singh, while attempting to break into the room from the front door was fired upon by the two terrorists from divergent locations inside the room.
After this attempt, another entry point was created using an IED. Co-ordinated fire was brought down from two sides now, ie, the front door and the broken wall, while the commandos moved into the room and neutralized both the terrorists.
The objective was cleared by 1825 h on 28 November.

Summary

In all, eight terrorists were killed during the operation by the NSG and a total of 610 hostages/guests rescued from all the three locations.
The NSG suffered two fatal and 18 non-fatal casualties.


PART-II: Challenges Ahead

The various shortcomings and lessons learnt from the Mumbai incident:-

· Traditional thinking on conflict management needs to change.
· Failure of co-operation and synergised effort between various agencies.
· Lack of any broad-vision, higher level direction, communication and co-ordination.
· Is there an active role for higher commanders in Counter-terrorist operations and if so what should it be?
· With the new urban terror environment, the troops to task ratio needs to be discussed; essential need for reserves at each level, for quick insertion and re-deployment.
· With Urban terror terrain undergoing a sea change from single/double storey buildings to malls, hotels, offices, etc. with multiple entry points, there is a need to evolve new tactics and techniques to counter terror.
· How do we ensure minimum casualties; more time it takes, more is the pressure to accomplish the task, whereas in moving swiftly there is a risk of incurring casualties.
· Need to generate tactical intelligence for which suitable finances and resources be made readily available.
· Radio communication problems- more hand held sets are required.
· Hostage- terrorist identification was a problem.

Recommendations/ Milestones to be achieved

· Need for a better synergy between the centre and the states.
· Launch multi-faceted and integrated operations.
· State governments should be made more accountable, since law and order is a state subject.
· Enhance professionalism of state forces.
· There should be a clear channel of Operational command.
· National Policy should be in line with Constitutional provisions.
· Harmonise all instruments of National Power- Start from a position of strength- military operations, but compliment it with political solutions.
· Need for a media policy – Start was made, but left mid-way.
· Take steps to deter/dissuade our neighbours from indulging in such attacks.

Discussion

· What should be the role of the army and should garrison units take own initiative and respond to such situations as had emerged in Mumbai? Ghatak platoons can be trained and made available to localise the terrorists, till such time as specialised forces arrive.
· Should the army get involved in an urban terror environment? The actual assault is always carried out by the army as CPMFs are not adequately trained and equipped to deal with such situations. Even in Mumbai, the first responders, in the initial few hours had failed to ‘fix’ the terrorists at one location and isolate them.
· The scope of employing chemical agents against terrorists has been studied by the NSG, but since they release odour and are found to be harmful to some categories of people, such as heart patients, old people, etc, it cannot be employed in a wide area where all kinds of people are present.
· NSG has no authority to jam mobile/radio communication and lacks the equipment to block transmissions in larger areas, even in case of airline hijacking; no consensus has been evolved to jam transmission.
· The helicopter assault on Nariman House could not be launched at night due to lacking of night avionics capability in helicopters. In the morning the operation was delayed due to hazy weather conditions.
· Diversion for other tasks is distracting the SAG from its primary role. Is police culture in NSG diminishing its ethos, and therefore should it be under Police control?
· Intelligence agencies need to be made more accountable and brought under Parliamentary oversight. Developing Human intelligence capabilities is the key to prevent terror attacks.

Conclusion

The presentation was well attended by the officers of the service headquarters and veteran officers. It provided an authentic and precise account of the operations carried out in Mumbai, coming as it did from the horse’s mouth, i.e. the IG (Ops) NSG, who operated from Ops rooms established at the Taj and Nariman Point. The debate generated led to pertinent issues being addressed. The new terror environment and the growing liberalism in society is presenting numerous soft targets to the barbaric terrorists who are a much different and a highly indoctrinated and motivated lot. They come with a pre-meditated will to die and hence look to inflict maximum casualties. Therefore, capturing such ruthless and radical bunch of terrorists is well nigh impossible and neutralizing them before they wreak havoc is a challenge facing all counter-terrorist agencies including the elite NSG. There is a need to change and re-orient our tactics to deal with such a lot of terrorists and at the same time minimize own casualties.

Lest We Forget

Maj Sandeep Unnikrishnan, AC, 7 BIHAR, 51 SAG (Posthumous)
Hav Gajender Singh, AC, 10 PARA (SF), 51 SAG (Posthumous)

The 51 and 52 Special Action Groups of the NSG were conferred with 1 Kirti Chakra, 1 Shaurya Chakra, 6 Sena Medals (Gallantry), 1 Sena Medal (Distinguished) and 1 COAS Commendation Card for OP Black Tornado.
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Kasab is a typical Paki; a typical Paki does not know the difference between bravery and cruelty. A brave man does not take a life unless he is prepared to loose his own. A cruel person does not hesitate in taking innocent lives but when the time comes for him to loose his life, he cries like a baby. Kasab is scared of dying. He is a coward terrorist.

It is not just Kasab, there were several other terrorists that were having courage issue. If you listen to the conversation between terrorists and their handlers, you will notice that the handler is constantly urging them to come out and do daring fights but to no avail; terrorists remained holed up and were killed in their holes.
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Karan Dixit wrote:Kasab is a typical Paki; a typical Paki does not know the difference between bravery and cruelty. A brave man does not take a life unless he is prepared to loose his own. A cruel person does not hesitate in taking innocent lives but when the time comes for him to loose his life, he cries like a baby. Kasab is scared of dying. He is a coward terrorist.

It is not just Kasab, there were several other terrorists that were having courage issue. If you listen to the conversation between terrorists and their handlers, you will notice that the handler is constantly urging them to come out and do daring fights but to no avail; terrorists remained holed up and were killed in their holes.

I suppose no 72 virgins if he's a coward. :rotfl:
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indoctrination, brain washing, drugs induced behaviour manipulation, 72+28, milk and honey, jannat - these are traditional motivational techniques used for fidayeen and hashishans. there is a long history of this atleast dating back to the early middle ages. none of this is surprising - even in the modern context. once the nasha utars, there is no where for the naked fidayeen to hide anymore. the weight of whatever conscience he once had and the moral guilt bears down on him and at conflict with his survival instinct. plus, after a year of living in yevil yindoostan his brain may now be more frazzled than it was to start with.
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After hearing prosecution & defence, Adiala ATC judge adjourns case by a week.
Khwaja Sultan, the lawyer for Lakhvi, told PTI that both sides had completed their arguments and the court is expected to rule on the applications at the next hearing on December 24.

The defence lawyers also raised the issue of Ajmal Amir Kasab, the lone terrorist arrested for the Mumbai attacks, making a complete retraction of his confession on participating in the assault.

Sultan said the defence lawyers had also objected to the indictment of the accused by Judge Awan on the basis of charges that were framed and argued while the case was being heard by another judge. Sultan contended that Judge Awan should review the charges against the accused instead of basing the indictment on work done by his predecessor.
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KaranR wrote:
Karan Dixit wrote:Kasab is a typical Paki; a typical Paki does not know the difference between bravery and cruelty. A brave man does not take a life unless he is prepared to loose his own. A cruel person does not hesitate in taking innocent lives but when the time comes for him to loose his life, he cries like a baby. Kasab is scared of dying. He is a coward terrorist.

It is not just Kasab, there were several other terrorists that were having courage issue. If you listen to the conversation between terrorists and their handlers, you will notice that the handler is constantly urging them to come out and do daring fights but to no avail; terrorists remained holed up and were killed in their holes.

I suppose no 72 virgins if he's a coward. :rotfl:

Guys,

Even Kasab knows that he is going to die for his actions.

He is being coached by other piglets so that he can go out in a blaze.
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My question is that what should be the procedure followed when this sorry excuse of a human being is hanged?

I suggest that he should be humiliated in jail for his beliefs, completely broken down. Since he is a village bumpkin, he is probably still hopeful that he will get his 72 and all that shit that hafiz-e-pig told him about. This disco-drama that he is doing in the court is just another form of Jeehard for him, to try and make a dog and pony show of the trail with his sheer pakiness.

I remember the trail of yet another pakistani terrorist (I think that of Mohammad Ashfaq @ Arif) who was sentenced at the Patiala house courts in Delhi. He was associated with the red fort shooting incident. He was probably one of those who had been kidnapped in Nepal and brought to India. This character was very frustrated at being caught by the kufr before he could kill and maim any further. He was abusive and pulled out an amazing and very entertaining show in the court room - wonderful entertainment in the court. He was abusing the Judge and threatening dire consequences. It was left to the haryanvi constables' gentle verbal jabs at him that made him clam up and boil over alternatively. He was ultimately sentenced to death and is awaiting an appeal.
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NEW DELHI: India is looking forward to getting from FBI the voice recordings of the phone conversations between David Headley and his Pakistani
handlers to ascertain the identity of those who sent out instructions to the perpetrators of 26/11. Sources said that Indian agencies want to compare them with the voice recordings of the 26/11 masterminds to find out if these men indeed were Headley's handlers too.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 357699.cms
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From Singing the enemy's Song by Praveen Swami,
Last year, in November, India’s Research and Analysis Wing tracked satellite phone communications from the boat which carried the Lashkar-e-Taiba assault team to Mumbai, but lost the trial when the attackers hijacked a Gujarat-registered fishing boat for the final part of their journey. Deceived by the move, India’s intelligence services even cleared Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to address a convention at the Oberoi Hotel scheduled for just one day after the carnage began.
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Gagan wrote:My question is that what should be the procedure followed when this sorry excuse of a human being is hanged?

Actually Gagan - I believe there is an advantage of keeping such guys alive but on death row for many years as long as we don't do stupid things like being blackmailed into handing him back to Pakistan because of a hijack.

The reason is as follows. This guy would have met many trainers and handlers - some of whom we do not know about. In the coming years - as new people are caught who may have a connection with kasab and his trainers - the information from the other chap can be compare with what kasab says.

Kasab too will get used to prison life and think all will be OK. But when we are fully done with him he can be hanged.
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India in no hurry to hang Kasab: Tharoor

I am willing to bet that this will be the longest running topical thread on BRF. There is simply no hurry to close it.
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Why do you want to 'close' the case ? There is no closure for those whose loved ones have died in this even if kasab is hanged.

closure will come if something else were to happen. All else are merely tools in achieving that closure.
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shiv wrote:
Gagan wrote:My question is that what should be the procedure followed when this sorry excuse of a human being is hanged?

Actually Gagan - I believe there is an advantage of keeping such guys alive but on death row for many years as long as we don't do stupid things like being blackmailed into handing him back to Pakistan because of a hijack.
There is no guarantee that the stuff bolded will happen. What is to prevent the next piglet or two to get guns (easy), board a bus full of children that routinely ply any of our cities, and start killing 5-15 year olds, one per hour , until Kasab is released?

The publicity alone will be enormous, and the likes of Burkha Dutt will have orgasms watching it.
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I didn't kill the cops: Kasab
Kasab is the saint that has been caught by the kufr and falsely charged with.
Kasab spun one more tale when he told Judge M L Tahilyani that the bullet wounds in his hands were the result of him being given anaesthesia and then shot in police custody.

"The Mumbai police roamed with me on the night of November 26 in the Rang Bhavan lane when I was in their custody. They later shot me after numbing my hands with anaesthesia."

The boyish charm on Kasab's face :shock: would turn into a studied look as he listened to the questions asked by the judge, simultaneously working his brain to produce an apt response.

"I'm not in my proper senses today as I ate food this morning," he told the judge, trying to insinuate that the police laces his food with sedatives. "I will answer all your queries tomorrow because I will not eat food before coming here."

Kasab's responses on Monday varied from "I was not there", "I don't know" (Main udhar nahin tha, mujhe nahin maloom) to "The deposition given by the witnesses is false" (Saare log ghalat keh rahe hain)".

At times, his expression would change to one of anger while saying "I don't know".
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Tanaji wrote:
There is no guarantee that the stuff bolded will happen. What is to prevent the next piglet or two to get guns (easy), board a bus full of children that routinely ply any of our cities, and start killing 5-15 year olds, one per hour , until Kasab is released?

The publicity alone will be enormous, and the likes of Burkha Dutt will have orgasms watching it.
Well Mumbai happened despite handing over Masood Azhar and Omar wotsit, so either way terrorism is not going to go away by killing Kasab now or killing him later. But if he is a source of information he must be milked dry.
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shiv wrote:
Gagan wrote:My question is that what should be the procedure followed when this sorry excuse of a human being is hanged?
Kasab too will get used to prison life and think all will be OK. But when we are fully done with him he can be hanged.


The poor guy seems to have stopped eating nonveg food. He seems to doubt that the meat is properly halal.
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The agitation which Shivsena put forth against the lawyers who were appointed for defence of kasab, in my opinion, was a foolish one.. This Abbas Kazmi dude, IMHO, seem to be a shady guy.. The way he was sacked from the position of kasab's defence counsel tells us that he was probably the one who was training the piglet (may be upon instructions by some higher authority :?: )..

This thought came to my mind, whether shivsena's opposition for other lawyers was stupid OR tactical? In late 80's people like Sharad Pawar and Bal Thackeray were known to be close with Dawood..
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One thing that is certain is that 3 years after hanging Kasab - Pakistan will insist that he did not exist. As long as there are people alive in Pakistan - like parents, siblings and other relatives who will know kasab - keeping him here with a death sentence waiting for him is an advantage. Kasab must be used, not frittered away in a fit of anger that will not bring back the people he killed. Keep him alive till it is absolutely clear that he has no legal or political utility and then kill him. Give him time. Break him down. use him even as he gets disillusioned. Death is too easy a sentence on him. He will be a martyr. He needs to be killed after he is both broken and forgotten - like a piece of dry shit.
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Chiron wrote:The agitation which Shivsena put forth against the lawyers who were appointed for defence of kasab, in my opinion, was a foolish one.. This Abbas Kazmi dude, IMHO, seem to be a shady guy.. The way he was sacked from the position of kasab's defence counsel tells us that he was probably the one who was training the piglet (may be upon instructions by some higher authority :?: )..

This thought came to my mind, whether shivsena's opposition for other lawyers was stupid OR tactical? In late 80's people like Sharad Pawar and Bal Thackeray were known to be close with Dawood..

Right you are Chiron.

shivsena scored a very bad own goal in this case.

One of the many that they have scored in the recent past.

This issue will come back to bite us in the backside and also open us up to taqiyya tactics as you have seen from kasab's statements.

Next expect the porki foreign minister to claim that there is no Taj hotel in Bombay.
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The Sakal is reporting that the Ram Pradhan committee report comes down heavily on Hasan Gafoor on lack of initiative and leadership shown by Mumbai Police during the attacks. It also blames the Mah Gov for not taking intelligence inputs seriously.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... page-1.cms
Pradhan panel report on 26/11 lapses tabled in Maharashtra assembly
PTI 21 December 2009, 06:37pm ISTText Size:|Topics:Maharashtra
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NAGPUR: Maharashtra government on Monday tabled in the state assembly the Ram Pradhan committee report on 26/11 Mumbai attacks which cited instances of non-adherence to the Standard Operating Practice (SOP) during the terror siege.

Home minister R R Patil tabled a Marathi translation of the report in the assembly six months after the committee submitted its findings to Chief Minister Ashok Chavan.

He informed the House that a 16-member panel, comprising the chief minister and himself, will study all aspects of the report including its "leakage" in media.

Patil said the Pradhan panel report given to the state government and the one "leaked" in media were similar.

The report went into the response by the police to the 26/11 attacks and pointed out "total confusion" in processing of Intelligence alerts at the level of the state government and "inadequacies" in the existing mechanism for analysing alerts about possible strikes.

The panel report cited instances of non-adherence to the Standard Operating Practice (SOP) during the terror siege.

"It was specifically mentioned (in the Intelligence reports) that attacks (were) to take place on three dates that is on August 20, 2006 (alert dated 07-08-2006), May 24, 2008 (alert dated 19-05-2008) and August 11, 2008 (alert dated 09-08-2008) against certain targets including Taj and Oberoi hotels, which did not happen," the report said.
Next time you crib seeing cops camping around your office you know why.

Can we have that report scanned in PDF please :((
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Kasab's retraction is not meant for saving his own skin. There is a watertight case against him. Its purpose is to give an easy out to the Pakistani court to release Lakhvi and the others who are facing trial there. The case against Lakhvi is based on Kasab's statement.
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shiv wrote:One thing that is certain is that 3 years after hanging Kasab - Pakistan will insist that he did not exist. As long as there are people alive in Pakistan - like parents, siblings and other relatives who will know kasab - keeping him here with a death sentence waiting for him is an advantage. Kasab must be used, not frittered away in a fit of anger that will not bring back the people he killed. Keep him alive till it is absolutely clear that he has no legal or political utility and then kill him. Give him time. Break him down. use him even as he gets disillusioned. Death is too easy a sentence on him. He will be a martyr. He needs to be killed after he is both broken and forgotten - like a piece of dry shit.
What you say is abolutely true ... as a matter of fact, we should allow his siblings, mother, father to come to India to meet him. There should be maximum coverage & air time of details of what his Mom/Dad are going through. It is a disencentive to future Muj's & their sad sorry parents. Time will break his zeal for jiehard, if it hasn't been already. Let him hang like an albatross.

Althought the possibility is small, but we would be in a tight spot if an episode like Kandahar hijacking is used to get him out? The chances of that are small, because TSP typically doesn't care for foot soldiers, they only get fat cats out of India. But that possibility cannot be entirely eliminated.
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chetak wrote: ... ( and sees his wife almost daily.)
He has a wife? She visits him daily? Was she given a visa to come to India?
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