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was written in 2007, nice read though

How Kissinger “Lost” India
....India was similarly “lost” from American influence by the actions of Henry Kissinger, then National Security Adviser to President Nixon. Kissinger’s actions during the civil war in Pakistan drove a non-aligned India into the Soviet sphere of influence....

....As Wilcox says, “Within Pakistan, American alliance assistance came to have three effects: to strengthen the armed services within the political system, to strengthen the central government against other centers of authority in society, and to strengthen Pakistan against India” .....

....After negotiations failed in Dacca, on March 25 Yahya Khan declared an emergency in the East, expelled foreign journalists and let the Army, mainly made of West Pakistanis, loose on the civilian population. According to Hersh, “over the next weeks and months, the West Pakistani army expanded its march of horror, slaughtering Awami League supporters, students and intellectuals on a scale not seen since the Third Reich” . This genocide is estimated to have killed upto 3 million people and forced almost 10 million to leave their homes and take refuge in India.....

....Even though Bangladesh was a cause celebre in the United States outside the official circles, both the State Department and the White House were very guarded in their public pronouncements against Pakistan. The US Consulate in Dacca had a clandestine radio transmitter and was able to send detailed reports about the genocide that were followed by a formal note of dissent from American policy signed by diplomats at the consulate, the State Department and AID . But Nixon and Kissinger had a secret agenda and didn’t want that to be disturbed by the events in Pakistan....

....When Nixon won the presidential election in 1968, he was determined to be “hands-on” in his foreign policy, and chose Henry Kissinger as his National Security Adviser. Kissinger was an academic who had only played advisory roles in previous administrations, and had “no respect for career diplomats” ; as a result foreign policy was completely controlled from the White House, sidelining William Rogers, the Secretary of State, and the State Department.....

....Kissinger “viewed the regional crises as inherently linked to triangular diplomacy” , and was not interested in the details of the history of the region or the motivations of the leaders there. He was convinced that anything that happened in the world was orchestrated by one of the three powers, and local factors did not merit consideration. In addition to ignoring experts and career diplomats, Kissinger felt that there was no need to monitor or accommodate public opinion , so what “mattered was how the Soviets, and in particular, the Chinese viewed American policy” . As Pakistan was Kissinger’s conduit to China, “Yahya Khan held the key to Nixon’s re-election” . In the initial phase of the conflict “Peking completely backed Pakistan, charged Indian interference, and noted that internal strife was part of the internal affairs of Pakistan” , and Kissinger may have been concerned that any American criticism or interference in the civil war would have put his grand plan at risk.

Instead of staying out of the conflict, Kissinger pretended to make an attempt to reconcile India and Pakistan, making a trip to both capitals in July 1971. When he vanished from public sight in Islamabad for some time, pleading an indisposition, it was speculated that he was in secret talks with Mujib. But it was revealed two weeks later that he had secretly flown to Beijing for talks with Zhou En Lai, and this duplicity “renewed Indian distrust of the American role in the East Pakistan crisis” and the “secret trip to China via Pakistan sent a message of support for Pakistan” . In addition, Kissinger had secretly been warning the Indian Ambassador in the United States about possible Chinese reaction to any Indian intervention , making it clear to India that it needed the Soviet Union in its corner......

.....Even then Kissinger tried his best to reverse an un-winnable situation by branding India as the aggressor, putting pressure on the Soviets to arrange a quick cease fire and ordering the Seventh Fleet with the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise into the Bay of Bengal.....

....Kissinger focused on his grand plan to create a triangular super power relationship and open diplomatic relations with China, and decided that nothing should disturb its implementation. Keeping his eye on the goal to have Nixon re-elected in 1972, he deliberately ignored Pakistan’s bloody civil war and tried to thwart India’s actions to resolve the crisis. Using his position in Washington, he threatened India with dire consequences if it intervened, including the possibility of Chinese attack that the US would not interfere with ......

....However, Hersh quotes a 1979 interview with Indira Gandhi: “It was not so much Mr. Nixon talking as Mr. Kissinger, because Nixon would talk for a few minutes and would then say ‘Isn't that right, Henry?’, and from then on Henry would talk on for quite a while. I would talk with Henry rather than Nixon”
In addition, while Kissinger cited the likely Chinese reaction to any US pressure on Pakistan as a reason to do nothing, his understanding was flawed. In his October visit to China he was surprised by Zhou En Lai’s” glaring lack of interest in discussing the Indo-Pakistani conflict” . Yet in November Kissinger still told New Delhi that if there was an India-Pakistan conflict, China would intervene and the US would not help. Siddiqui states that Chinese support for repression wasn’t there, especially as Communists were targeted for extermination in East Pakistan. When Pakistan Peoples Party Chairman Bhutto went to China in November 1971, Zhou En Lai was quoted as having said “Chinese military aid was for meeting the threat of external aggression and not for the repression of the people”.

....While Kissinger followed the usual practice of supporting repression by a client state, no matter what the circumstances, it was the Reagan administration that later demonstrated that transition from a dictator to democracy was possible, as was done in the cases of the Phillipines and South Korea ....

....The relationship between the United States and India would not recover from Kissinger’s actions for three decades, until Bill Clinton visited India in 2000 , and re-started the dialogue....
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plz post it in media watch thread and delete this one.
thx.
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Dilbu wrote:Pak, India must talk about Kashmir, everything: Clinton
"So we've encouraged both Pakistan and India to resume that dialogue and to talk about everything, including Kashmir, because now the security of both countries is threatened by these forces of extremism."

"And I believe that a lot of these terrorist groups are funded, directed, equipped, and trained by outside forces, not people from Pakistan, not people from India, but people who wish to see the two countries at - in conflict, and I think that is so critical to avoid. :?: And the only way to avoid it is by getting back into a dialogue," Clinton said.

In another interview with Watandost.com, she said an international effort by US, China and European Union could at best be a guarantor but an impetus for a dialogue must come from the two countries themselves.
X Posted.

Let me guess who these outside forces funding, directing, equipping and training terrorists operating in Kashmir and India who are neither people of India and Pakistani are :roll: :

Eyeranians?
Cubans?
Venezuelans?

At least it cannot be djinn's as the US Secretary of State did term them "People" :wink: .
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Hmmmm …………….. Looks like a case of old habits die hard with the US reverting to the old habit of covering up for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan when it comes to terrorism targeting India that emanates from there.

Mail Today via India Today:

CIA hid Headley terror connection from India

Asian Age:

CIA didn’t give full 26/11 info
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X Posted.

It really is simply shocking that for all the talk by US President Obama of India being an “indispensable ally” the US has a very poor record of voting with India at the UN.

76.3% of the votes cast by the US in the UN in 2008 have been the opposite of that cast by India per statistics compiled by the US themselves.

General Assembly – Overall Votes

The complete report can be accessed via this page:

Voting Practices in the United Nations 2008
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OT
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X-Post from Indian nuclear discussion thread ...

India to miss New Year US nuclear gift - K.P. NAYAR
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Elements within the Obama administration opposed to the principles behind the nuclear deal, although unable to stop it or roll it back, have managed to delay a round of talks that would have led to the finalisation of a bilateral agreement for the reprocessing of spent US nuclear fuel by India, which is the next step towards operationalising the controversial deal.

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But foreign secretary Nirupama Rao said in New Delhi yesterday that “the next round of talks has not been scheduled as yet. It will be done shortly. We hope to finalise the agreement at the earliest.”

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But elements within the department, working in concert with others in the administration and the US Congress who are firmly opposed to even minor adjustments in the existing global non-proliferation regime, decided to resort to that time-honoured tool of bureaucrats that is used to thwart the will of their political bosses: delay, delay.

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Obama and Clinton either needs to push it through as Bush/Hadley/Rice team had done earlier, or risk taking the India-US relationship back a few steps.
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I am so sorry, but i have to spit his out. I detest Henry Kissinger. I hate the Indians that invite this India hater into India. Sometimes i almost puke reading his conciliatory comments. This fellow is a rogue. Whenever war crime tribnals are set up for genocide in Bangladesh, one name should be up there. HK. The idiot that made 'real politik' a bad word. The idiot that could not understand the situation in E Pak in 71. He's not an intellectual, he's a duffer. I know many here talk of 'real politik' in glowing terms. I've also noticed these are people with first time exit socialism, hola Americana type folks. reminds me of rye a poster with venom..swearing realpolitik. Some folks learn 'realpolitik' first time and get 'noveu aggressive'. Lets learn to deal with such. We've got to skip that gen of of polititians that emerge that are steeped in 'noveau real politik.' I'm trying to make a point, a significant one. Hope folks here comprehend. There is a massive difference and yet a subtelety in thought.
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Just like his best friend Nixon was impeached and thrown out of WH, his best country friend TSP(actually TSPA) is going to be impounded first from within and then from without.
harbans wrote:I am so sorry, but i have to spit his out. I detest Henry Kissinger. I hate the Indians that invite this India hater into India. Sometimes i almost puke reading his conciliatory comments. This fellow is a rogue. Whenever war crime tribnals are set up for genocide in Bangladesh, one name should be up there. HK. The idiot that made 'real politik' a bad word. The idiot that could not understand the situation in E Pak in 71. He's not an intellectual, he's a duffer. I know many here talk of 'real politik' in glowing terms. I've also noticed these are people with first time exit socialism, hola Americana type folks. reminds me of rye a poster with venom..swearing realpolitik. Some folks learn 'realpolitik' first time and get 'noveu aggressive'. Lets learn to deal with such. We've got to skip that gen of of polititians that emerge that are steeped in 'noveau real politik.' I'm trying to make a point, a significant one. Hope folks here comprehend. There is a massive difference and yet a subtelety in thought.
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Ombaba is politically weak, therefore India should not get into a rush about any agreement with the US. If there is an agreement, the right wingnuts will oppose as well as the liberal left in the US Congress. We know that the Bush administration lied, or at the least with held info, about Headley's role in 26/11. I would wait to see if this administration is more cooperative.
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harbans wrote:I am so sorry, but i have to spit his out. I detest Henry Kissinger. I hate the Indians that invite this India hater into India. Sometimes i almost puke reading his conciliatory comments. This fellow is a rogue.
I am with you on this one. This is the same "show other cheek" attitude of ours which lets war criminals low-lives like Musharraf come in and lecture us on peace.
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Sanjay M,

The weblink to the story you posted has no discernible link to the topic of this thread bereft as it is of anything to do with India.

May I request you to kindly delete your post.
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arun wrote:
Sanjay M,

The weblink to the story you posted has no discernible link to the topic of this thread bereft as it is of anything to do with India.

May I request you to kindly delete your post.
Hi, the reason why I feel that the Left-wing revolt is of relevance to the topic of Indo-US relations is because the far-left are against better ties with India. They are against the Indo-US nuclear deal because it undermines their snooty high-minded principles on nuclear non-proliferation and their sacrosanct P5 club. The far left are also protectionists and regard trade ties with India as being inimical to US jobs. The fact is that the far-left in the US body politic exert a tremendous pull on the Whitehouse and on its policies. This includes Indo-US relations, and I would expect you to discern the linkages.
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I love this guy - Glenn Beck. Hindus Still Upset Over Glenn Beck's "Denigrating" Ganges River Comments
He said, "One big river they have there, that sounds like a disease. Come on it does. I mean if somebody said, I am sorry, you have a really bad case of Ganges."

He also took aim at India's healthcare system, saying healthcare there costs a lot cheaper than in the U.S. because the money from medical fees go to doctors who studied at Harvard rather than "Gajra Raja medical school."

He offered a passing apology this week, saying, "By the way, the name of the river in India, Ganges, I said last week that it sounded like a disease, did not mean to offend anybody."
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He couldn't have said similar thing about Christians, Muslims or Jews who would have made him upset.
Someone should ask him why did his forefathers come looking for India and accidently found Unkil. Maybe they had upset stomachs and wanted to take months long journey to India to find a cure made of Ganges water.
SwamyG wrote:I love this guy - Glenn Beck. Hindus Still Upset Over Glenn Beck's "Denigrating" Ganges River Comments
He said, "One big river they have there, that sounds like a disease. Come on it does. I mean if somebody said, I am sorry, you have a really bad case of Ganges."

He also took aim at India's healthcare system, saying healthcare there costs a lot cheaper than in the U.S. because the money from medical fees go to doctors who studied at Harvard rather than "Gajra Raja medical school."

He offered a passing apology this week, saying, "By the way, the name of the river in India, Ganges, I said last week that it sounded like a disease, did not mean to offend anybody."
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^^^ Take it easy, baba. Glenn Beck is a kook. A white ej Paki describes his kind better.

The fact that he's farting takleef about yindooze and ganges and slumdawgs and suttee and caste system and all implies Yindia must be doing something right to so itch his butt onlee.
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these 'street dogs' are equivalent to the barkings of the Economist and WSJ. WSJ even has some indic grad student columbia types on a panel to provide local support and have indians write self-critical essays. hope they all get EB1 Munna GC and never return to 'pollute' our pride lands :rotfl:
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After reading his name so many times in this thread, I got curious about this creature called Glenn Beck. It is a follower of an interesting religion called Mormonism. Mormons believe that Native Americans came to American continent from Israel. Now, the latest DNA testing has proved that this is not the case, meaning Native Americans did not descend from Israeli folks.

So, what does that tell you about Glenn Beck's IQ? I think it is not worth responding to morons like him. Probably his base audience is just like him - the loonies.
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President Obama, Congress should set health-care reform aside
It needs to get out of two no-win wars in Asia. These are "investments" that will never pay out.
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Hari Seldon wrote:^^^ Take it easy, baba. Glenn Beck is a kook. A white ej Paki describes his kind better.

The fact that he's farting takleef about yindooze and ganges and slumdawgs and suttee and caste system and all implies Yindia must be doing something right to so itch his butt onlee.
Absolutely not. People like Glen Beck have to be taken to task. Glen Beck wouldn't dare say anything about Jews, so why should he say anything about Indians? The FCC complaint is legitimate as it falls into a category of hate speech.

Idiots like Glen Beck will cause the Republicans to loose in 2010 & 2012, and we'll be stuck with Democrats like Obama who will shaft India at the earliest whilst smiling and lighting a Diwali diya. Glen Beck and the racist Republicans need to realize that Indian origin people are well read with one of the highest per capita incomes, and politically savvy, for an ethnic group. Its not so much their votes that count as much as campaign Dollars.
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I see, so statistics on Indian median household income should be recited. :roll:

When the second generation Indians question Mormonism as a puerile hallucination and tell this clown to take a slow boat beck to Europe, Indians may get some respect.
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arun wrote:
Sanjay M,

The weblink to the story you posted has no discernible link to the topic of this thread bereft as it is of anything to do with India.

May I request you to kindly delete your post.
Sanjay M wrote:Hi, the reason why I feel that the Left-wing revolt is of relevance to the topic of Indo-US relations is because the far-left are against better ties with India. They are against the Indo-US nuclear deal because it undermines their snooty high-minded principles on nuclear non-proliferation and their sacrosanct P5 club. The far left are also protectionists and regard trade ties with India as being inimical to US jobs. The fact is that the far-left in the US body politic exert a tremendous pull on the Whitehouse and on its policies. This includes Indo-US relations, and I would expect you to discern the linkages.
Moderators,

For my future guidance on what is and what is not an OT post for this thread, please opine on the correctness or otherwise of Sanjay M’s post quoted immediately above.

My own view is that the justification provided by Sanjay M is wholly contrived.

I continue to hold the view that differences of opinion between the US President and members of his own political party over Domestic US Healthcare policy is not a subject for this thread..

Similarly your guidance on if Vera K’s post, coincidentally also on the US Healthcare system is or is not OT will be appreciated. The post is here

Regards,

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^^^

It is entirely on topic if opinion is being built to get the US out of the war in Af-Pak.
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The mention of Iraq and Af-Pak was inter alia.
Surely 'run of the mill' domestic US politics of this sort are off topic for this thread.
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Hari Seldon wrote:^^^ Take it easy, baba. Glenn Beck is a kook. A white ej Paki describes his kind better.

The fact that he's farting takleef about yindooze and ganges and slumdawgs and suttee and caste system and all implies Yindia must be doing something right to so itch his butt onlee.
Hari garu - me always take it policy onlee :-)) Somebody at work mentioned this; so I googled and saw some discussions at Sepia Mutiny so was little amused. I think I posted a video of Jon Stewart's parody (a.k.a ripping Glenn to shreds) earlier. It was too much fun onlee. I very well know him, the way I test & increase my patience is listen to some of these folks and measure how long before I shout at the radio or change to different station.

But I disagree with the complaining to FCC.
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arun wrote:Moderators,

For my future guidance on what is and what is not an OT post for this thread, please opine on the correctness or otherwise of Sanjay M’s post quoted immediately above.

My own view is that the justification provided by Sanjay M is wholly contrived.

I continue to hold the view that differences of opinion between the US President and members of his own political party over Domestic US Healthcare policy is not a subject for this thread..

Similarly your guidance on if Vera K’s post, coincidentally also on the US Healthcare system is or is not OT will be appreciated. The post is here

Regards,

Arun
Are you some kind of busybody? Just who do you think you are here - some sort of forum police? If you don't particularly care for someone else's post, then simply disregard it and move on. What kind of foolish nitpick would repeatedly and obsessively harp on someone's post rather than continuing productive discussion. You seem to be fishing for some kind of clash, and I'd advise you to immediately disengage and desist from such shallow behaviour.

Indo-US relations are affected by all manner of internal US politics, as well as internal Indian politics. I posted what I did to add perspective to the discussion. Do you think I just did it at random to stir up your hackles? The fact that you don't have the depth to understand why a political revolt in Obama's camp can seriously affect relations with India shows your own shortcomings. Certainly, Bush's dropping political strength during his final months in office adversely affected his ability to push through vital measures to boost Indo-US relations. Likewise, I anticipate that Obama's strained relations with members of his own party could affect his trajectory on relations with India. I feel that that he will have less political maneuvering room in the future, and will be increasingly forced to toe the line of an increasingly vociferous left-wing faction of his party, in order to appease them. These people aren't going away, and I feel they will look for opportunities to exert pressure on the president to bow to their narrow agenda. It is essential that we track the balance the power between the various factions in the US body politic, in order to see how this will affect the course of US foreign policy.

Don't like my opinion? Too bad - but don't attempt to censor it, or rope in others to do it for you.
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SwamyG wrote:I love this guy - Glenn Beck.
That guy is mentally unstable
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^
He is special, needs some love.
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I don't know why we're discussing Glenn Beck on here. He has hardly any impact on India-US relations.

To keep things in perspective... Glenn Beck might be a raving idiot, but his opposition to Obama doesn't make Obama any better from the Indian point of view.

After all, rabid Islamist pig Baitullah Mehsud was opposed to the Pakistan Army and ISI. But this does not imply that Ashfaq Kiyani or Shuja Ahmed Pasha are pro-India!
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Protests as India tightens visa rules after Headley

Sun, Dec 20 05:17 AM

The government's decision after the David Coleman Headley-Tahawwur Rana case to have a two-month cooling-off period between every visit for US and British passport holders, who have long-term tourist visas, has invited sharp reactions with both countries lodging formal diplomatic protests.

India, on its part, has so far maintained that this step has become necessary after the "gross misuse" by Headley of a multiple-entry business visa which he used to make nine trips to India that included long periods of stay when he prepared footage of 26/11 targets for the Lashkar-e-Toiba.

The Home Ministry has issued directions through the MEA to all missions abroad that any applicant for an Indian visa who has any sort of Pakistan lineage, even if it is two generations back, must be referred to Delhi for prior clearance. Headley's application form too has been traced and is currently being examined for any more anomalies. About six years back, the government had decided that missions in countries such as the US and the UK need not refer back routine applications unless there is doubt.

As of now, India issues long-term multiple-entry tourist visas for both five and 10 years in the case of the US and the UK. This is a privilege extended by India to both these countries along with some others on a reciprocal basis. Anyone holding this visa cannot, however, stay for longer than 180 days at a stretch.

After the Headley-Rana case, the Home Ministry is said to have scrutinised US and UK tourist visa-holders as this was another category which could be misused.

It's learnt that the US Deputy Chief of Mission has officially taken up the matter with the MEA and Home Ministry officials asking them to work out a more flexible system based on "best visa practices". Also, the British High Commissioner has written a letter urging New Delhi to reconsider the decision given that many Indian-origin British passport holders will be adversely affected. Given that issuing of PIO cards is a slow affair, these two countries feel the next best available resort for people of Indian origin is being taken away.

The government has, however, sought to explain that in case there is a need for a visa holder to return within two months of departure from India, then the person can approach the nearest Indian Embassy or consulate. The government is planning to empower officials at missions and consulates to grant exemption in exceptional cases. And once in India, the visa holder will also have to go to the nearest Foreigners Regional Registration Office (FRRO) and get registered.

This is being seen as a cumbersome process, which these countries feel will only dissuade visa holders. The government, on the other hand, argues that it will ensure that only "genuine cases" will approach the missions for an exception. Either way, for those planning to use India as a hub for tourist travel in the region, it is now a long, tedious affair.

Meanwhile, the new rules are already being implemented. Every US and British passport holder having a long-term multiple-entry tourist visa is being stamped 'no entry' for two months. This has flooded the complaint box at the MEA, at airports and in missions (see box).

According to government sources, many of these nationals — quite a few of them are Indian origin — had been staying here for years together. All they would do is move out of India for a few days — to a nearby destination like Nepal or a South East Asian country — just before the 180-day period lapsed and return to stay for another six months. A large number of them, sources claimed, were running shops, conducting business and related activities which cannot be termed as tourism.

So, the government argues that it had no choice but to introduce a two-month cooling off period, which would bar these visa holders from returning to India for at least two months after, they have left the country. This way, sources said, it would make it easier for security agencies to monitor entry and exit of these visa holders. On the other hand, the move has spelt doom over legitimate users.
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Sikh youth attacked in Texas

Sat, Dec 19 10:00 AM

Washington, Dec 19 (IANS) A Sikh graduate student, working as a part-time pizza delivery person, was thrown into a swimming pool and brutally assaulted in West Texas, according to the Sikh Coalition, a community advocacy group.

When the young man, whose identity has been withheld for his protection, brought pizzas for delivery into a home, four men took the pizzas and started eating without paying, while hurling racial epithets and threatening him.

'I'm going to **** you up in Iraq, I'm going to **** you up in Afghanistan, I'm going to **** you up over here,' they were quoted as saying by the Coalition in a media release. But it did not say when the incident took place.

The four men then grabbed the Sikh student and threw him into a swimming pool. The four attackers surrounded the pool, kicking him in the head and body. Every time he tried to escape, they would stomp or hit at him.

For 20 minutes, he swam for his life trying to escape. He eventually seized an opportunity to flee and barely made it to his car with two men in pursuit, the community group said.

Though the local police were called shortly after the attack, they failed to respond adequately, the community group alleged. The police classified the incident as a misdemeanor, which means that the attackers may not have to serve any jail time, it said.

The local police also did not file the incident as a hate crime, the group said. 'It is clear from the attackers' references to 'bin Laden' and 'Go back to Afghanistan' and the fact that they kicked off his turban that this assault targeted not only him as an individual, but his Sikh identity.'

However the Department of Justice (DOJ) is currently investigating the matter as a possible federal hate crime after being contacted when the local police department refused to prosecute the attackers for hate crime, the Sikh Coalition said.
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^^^ What can one expect in the redneck heartland - the heart of Americana as they claim? :roll:
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Rudradev wrote:I don't know why we're discussing Glenn Beck on here. He has hardly any impact on India-US relations.

To keep things in perspective... Glenn Beck might be a raving idiot, but his opposition to Obama doesn't make Obama any better from the Indian point of view.

After all, rabid Islamist pig Baitullah Mehsud was opposed to the Pakistan Army and ISI. But this does not imply that Ashfaq Kiyani or Shuja Ahmed Pasha are pro-India!
So very true, but he did denigrate Indians and that has to be protested. Faux news is some sort of joke for having him and other morons like him on.
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US 'video terrorist' pair jailed for 17 and 13 years
Wonder what is happening in the US...somali immigrants, paki's, bangla's now turn to extremism. Has the US really got rid of extremists?
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shyamd wrote:US 'video terrorist' pair jailed for 17 and 13 years
Wonder what is happening in the US...somali immigrants, paki's, bangla's now turn to extremism. Has the US really got rid of extremists?
Reminds me of:

There was a person who after killing someone, in a court said that "God had told me ina dream to kill. .................". Trying to make a case that it was not his decision and therefore he could not be held responsible.

The judge heard him out, adjourned for the day and the next day sentenced the guy to life.

When the culprit inquired why he was being sentenced when it was not his decision to kill, the judged replied "God came to me in my dream and told me to sentence you. .................... So it is not my decision either."
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The Home Ministry has issued directions through the MEA to all missions abroad that any applicant for an Indian visa who has any sort of Pakistan lineage, even if it is two generations back, must be referred to Delhi for prior clearance.
Good job, GOI.
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