Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Dec 2009 15:53

Shahid Malik, and all Pakistanis for that matter, think that they can speak lies and get away with that. That was why Zaid Hamid said that Mrs. Indira Gandhi said that the 1000 year shame had been avenged or words to that effect. These are all lies but as Gen. Zia-ul-Haq said, a Muslim is allowed to lie in a good cause and lying to kufr is as good an Islamist cause as anything else.

However, the problem is everyone gets taken in by Pakistan's lying and obfuscation. JuD was never proscribed. When the matter came up for discussion in the Pakistani National Assembly after the UNSC resolution, Rehman Malik said that since the UNSC has passed the resolution, there was no separate need for Pakistan to do anything more. Nobody bothered to press Pakistan to explicitly proscribe JuD.

The LHC judges felt, while disposing of the arrest of Hafeez Saeed, that the UNSC's Al Qaeda/Taliban Sanctions Committee's declaration of JuD as a global terrorist organization and its chief Hafeez Saeed as a terrorist are 'ultra vires' and Pakistan was not bound by it.

Similarly, when Musharraf promised India, through Armitage after the Parliament attack in 2001, that Pakistan will ban terrorist organizations, he banned them all over Pakistan except in PoK, Northern Areas and FATA. Again, nobody pressurized Pakistan that it should ban these organizations in those areas as well.

KaranR · Post by **KaranR** » 21 Dec 2009 15:58

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He is 400% raw agent.

Is he still alive!!!

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 21 Dec 2009 16:03

http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... art-1.html
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... -upon.html

Two very good articles written by a blogger-an american.Brutally honest but naive from an american POV.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Dec 2009 16:52

Pakistan's ideology defined by Jinnah's cap - New Theory

One piece of attire has long symbolised Pakistan’s national ideology: the Jinnah cap. . . . But in Pakistan, the hat has been firmly identified with the Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah for decades. This affiliation has ensured that others who sport the cap are understood to be making a political, rather than fashion, statement. Indeed, as Pakistan’s democratic fortunes have waxed and waned over the years, the choice by certain politicians to don the Jinnah cap has revealed much about political aspirations and the public mood.

Liaquat Ali Khan, Pakistan’s first prime minister, who also wore the Jinnah cap, was assassinated . . . Another national leader who donned the Jinnah cap was Khwaja Nazimuddin.His reign, however, ended abruptly as Ghulam Mohammad, the then Governor-General of Pakistan, dismissed the prime minister . . . Ayub Khan also sported the Jinnah cap to symbolically assure the public of his goodwill and potential to lead the nation. The cap then found another faithful in Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto . . . The cap had to wait a decade before staging a comeback on the crown of Nawaz Sharif, the chief of the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz group and the prime minister of Pakistan. With Sharif, the Jinnah cap took on political as well as explicitly religious proportions, as this was a leader who defended democracy even while aspiring to be the Amirul Momineen

But for some, the Jinnah cap has always been intrinsically linked with Pakistan’s Islamic identity. Jamaat-i-Islami chief Munawar Hasan, who almost always wears the Jinnah cap, explains, ‘Quaid-e-Azam died too early in the country’s history and politicians and other leaders naturally look up to him as the ideal example of leadership.’ Hasan adds that, ‘during the last few years of the Pakistan Movement, Jinnah completely changed his garb from western to eastern and Muslim. His cap was a manifestation of his Muslim identity.’

archan · Post by **archan** » 21 Dec 2009 17:31

^^^

Jamaat-i-Islami chief Munawar Hasan, who almost always wears the Jinnah cap, explains, ‘Quaid-e-Azam died too early in the country’s history

So Munawar Hasan means to imply that Pakistan's history began in 1947?

bart · Post by **bart** » 21 Dec 2009 19:08

archan wrote:^^^
Jamaat-i-Islami chief Munawar Hasan, who almost always wears the Jinnah cap, explains, ‘Quaid-e-Azam died too early in the country’s history
So Munawar Hasan means to imply that Pakistan's history began in 1947?

He is true in a sense, the parasites have very little to do with the civilization and culture of the subcontinent. They aren't even the heirs to the Muslim kingdoms that were part of India, Indian Muslims have much more claim to that, and have preserved a lot of the culture, language, poetry, art etc that these folks have left behind in their retardedness and desire to be belief that they are cross between Middle-Eastern folks and Oiropeans/Greeks.

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 21 Dec 2009 20:27

what happened there is no IED for quite sometime now have they been wiped by NRO

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 21 Dec 2009 20:31

Another video similar to the NYT report on Ali Azmat & Co. This time a little girl from a Peshawar school talks about going to school under constant threat of soosai. Needless to say the girl blames Yindia & Yamreeka for all her troubles and the Cnn reporter talks to a Psychiatrist about the delusions of Paki kids just like their adults. This shrink some how manages not to utter the YYY conspiracy things himself. Gr8 Success

http://us.cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2 ... ration.cnn

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Dec 2009 20:42

shiv wrote:
Gagan wrote:The stanza before this refers to the attack on the Dhaka University campus and Hostels.

She says something like the students were killed in their sleep and from the corridors women shrieks came.

Gagan a part of the song and the shootings at Dhaka university campus feature in this montage of video clips about the genocide in East Pakistan by Pakistani army soldiers. IIRC a young Indian lass called Angana Chatterjee denies that it occurred at all.

That incident and the entire pogrom that the pak army carried out is Bangladesh's Holocaust. Anyone seeking to deny that should be accused of and exposed of being a holocaust denier and labeled as such.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 21 Dec 2009 20:43

De-Brainwashing the Brainwashed

ISLAMABAD – As the country is gripped by Taliban insurgency, the Pakistani government is planning to brainwash hundreds of militants in cooperation with Saudi Arabia.

“We are going to set up a special cell for the detained militants in line with Saudi Arabia, where they will be psychologically treated by senior physiatrists,” Interior Minister Rehman Malik told IslamOnline.net Monday, December 14.

“We have 2000 militants in our custody. Many of them were in initial stage of training and have not been converted into hardcore militants. We will try to de-radicalize them.

“We will consult the Saudi officials in this regard and will take advantage from their experiences.” (Yeah KSA has a lot of experience in this)

A senior interior ministry official confirmed that the government has planned a two-pronged strategy to de-radicalize the Taliban militants.

“The hardcore militants, including their top leadership, will be tried in military courts, comprising a brigadier and two colonels,” he told IOL on condition of anonymity.

Pakistan's Future (Special Page)
“The low-ranked militants will be sent to the proposed jail, where they will be brainwashed by senior psychologists.”
Pakistan is in the grip of a fierce insurgency, with more than 2,680 people killed in attacks since July 2007.

In April, the government launched an offensive into the Swat Valley to uproot Taliban militants from the region.

Months later, the army launched a deadly offensive into South Waziristan, the hub of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), a conglomerate of different Taliban groups in the northern tribal belt.

Malik, the interior minister, insisted that the government would make no concessions to hardcore militants.

“They are being tried. There is no concession for them,” he said.

“However, there will be leniency for those who have been misguided by these criminal elements.

“That is why we are going to set up an exclusive cell for those misguided youths in line with Saudi Arabia, where they will be reformed through psychological treatment.”

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 21 Dec 2009 20:49

“The hardcore militants, including their top leadership, will be tried in military courts, comprising a brigadier and two colonels,” he told IOL on condition of anonymity.

Bull sh!t.....Nothing but a program to turn them into sarkari talibs.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 21 Dec 2009 22:27

We are going to set up a special cell for the detained militants in line with Saudi Arabia, where they will be psychologically treated by senior physiatrists,”

So they can the better ambulate to the bazaars with the those heavy suicide belts.

arun · Post by **arun** » 21 Dec 2009 22:49

Excerpt.

Piskological excursion by Christopher Hitchens into the Pakistani psyche which concludes that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan hates the US "because it is dependent on it and is still being bought by it".

Takes the existence of this “sick relationship” “now becoming dangerously diseased.” between the US and the Islamic Republic to call for US recognition that India is the “long term ally in Asia”

Why Does Pakistan Hate the United States?

Because it is dependent on us.

By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, Dec. 21, 2009, at 11:43 AM ET ..........................

Why do the Pakistanis hate us? We need not ask this in a plaintive tone of "after all we've done for them," but it is an apparent conundrum nonetheless. The United States made Pakistan a top-priority Cold War ally. It overlooked the regular interventions of its military into politics. It paid a lot of bills and didn't ask too many questions. It generally favored Pakistan over India, which was regarded as dangerously "neutralist" in those days, and during the Bangladesh war it closed its eyes to a genocide against the Muslim population of East Bengal. During the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, Washington fed the Pakistani military and intelligence services from an overflowing teat and allowed them to acquire nuclear weapons on the side.

This, then, is why the Pakistani elite hates the United States. It hates it because it is dependent on it and is still being bought by it. It is a dislike that is also a form of self-hatred of the sort that often develops between client states and their paymasters. (You can often sense the same resentment in the Egyptian establishment, and sometimes among Israeli right-wingers, as well.) By way of overcompensation for their abject status as recipients of the American dole, such groups often make a big deal of flourishing their few remaining rags of pride. The safest outlet for this in the Pakistani case is an official culture that makes pious noises about Islamic solidarity while keeping the other hand extended for the next subsidy. Pakistani military officers now strike attitudes in public as if they were defending their national independence rather than trying to prolong their rule as a caste and to extend it across the border of their luckless Afghan neighbor.

This is, and always was, a sick relationship, and it is now becoming dangerously diseased. It's not possible to found a working, trusting, fighting alliance on such a basis. Under communism, the factory workers of Eastern Europe had a joke: "We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us." In this instance, the Pakistanis don't even pretend that their main military thrust is directed against the common foe, but we do continue to pay them. If we only knew it, the true humiliation and indignity is ours, not theirs.

This will continue to get nastier and more corrupt and degrading until we recognize that our long-term ally in Asia is not Pakistan but India. And India is not a country sizzling with self-pity and self-loathing, because it was never one of our colonies or clients. We don't have to send New Delhi 15 different envoys a month, partly to placate and partly to hector, because the relationship with India isn't based on hysteria and envy. Alas, though, we send hardly any envoys at all to the world's largest secular and multicultural democracy, and the country itself gets mentioned only as an afterthought. ............................

Slate

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 21 Dec 2009 22:54

krishnapremi wrote:http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... art-1.html
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... -upon.html

Two very good articles written by a blogger-an american.Brutally honest but naive from an american POV.

a good find ... part 1 especially for its little known nuggets of info woven together in a fresh narrative.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Dec 2009 22:55

arun wrote:Why Does Pakistan Hate the United States?

Because US is filled with Kuffars who didnt help the pious defeat, rape and kill other Kuffars (Indians). Zimble onlee.

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 21 Dec 2009 23:50

krishnapremi wrote:http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... art-1.html
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... -upon.html

Two very good articles written by a blogger-an american.Brutally honest but naive from an american POV.

Admins - Please add these blog posts to the links at the start of every TSP thread. thanks.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 22 Dec 2009 00:06

btw - the mention of learning jehadi rehabilitation from the saudis is not a joke (although a good potential one). the saudi's have spent some time and effort to wean back the errant youth who headed off to eye-rack. not sure if its actually been successful, but it was certainly reported in the media

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Dec 2009 00:51

I would suspect that in the case of the Saudis, they (the state) would have terrorized the would be terrorists into submission by threatening their families etc etc.

The Al saud family is like a military dictatorship holding on to power there. Any lowering in their power and persona will be disastrous for them. As it is this OBL character emerging as a shining light for arab youth is bad enough.

Politeness and negotiation and moderation and education is just not their way.

This deradicalizer thingie is what the umreekans would do, an alien culture trying to cut one diamond with the other.

Possibly the pakis are trying to pass off haraam umreekan deradicalizers as halaal Saudi re-educators.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 22 Dec 2009 01:04

Gagan wrote: This deradicalizer thingie is what the umreekans would do, an alien culture trying to cut one diamond with the other.

Possibly the pakis are trying to pass off haraam umreekan deradicalizers as halaal Saudi re-educators.

fauj will have try it on some of its own.....not happening..... well not likely....

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 22 Dec 2009 01:08

Analysis: Hard reality as U.S. pushes Pakistan

ISLAMABAD - Pakistan will not go as far as Washington wants, and there's nothing the U.S. can do about it: That's the sobering reality as the U.S. tries to persuade a hesitant Pakistan to finish off the fight against terrorists.

Expand the current assault against the Taliban? Pakistan has made clear that will happen only on its own terms. U.S. officials acknowledge that so far they haven't won the argument that militants who target America are enemies of Pakistan, too.
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U.S. officials say that while Pakistani officials cooperate more in private, there are definite limits. The U.S. wanted Pakistan to move forces deeper into the tribal belt before winter. It didn't happen, and might not at all.

A senior U.S. diplomat hinted at a separate agreement that would allow the U.S. itself to take on some of the hidden war against Pakistan's militants.
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The diplomat said the stepped-up U.S. action would come with Pakistani support, but would not elaborate on the potential cooperation.
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More than most U.S. officials, Mullen has cordial, long-standing relationships with Pakistan's generals, the strongest power base inside the country. Despite those ties, Mullen's quiet effort met with a polite noncommittal from his hosts.

Mullen advises patience and humility in dealing with Pakistan, a view not shared by some leading Republicans in Congress. Mullen said Pakistan doesn't get enough credit for the push since spring against militants in the Swat valley and South Waziristan.
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Mullen seemed to recognize that when he told the military students that he knows the U.S. is perceived as acting in its own interests almost at any cost, so it can hardly ask others not to put their own needs first.

"Sometimes that gets lost on us," he said.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Dec 2009 01:24

A thought just occurred to me.
Has anyone heard the various speeches that OBL has made? Apparently these have made a huge impact on arab youth and muslim youth in general by the content and his delivery.

What does this guy talk about? Is there any similarity in terms of content with what this Jahil Hamid character barks about all the time? Jahil hamid apparently has a fanatic following in la la land and that tribe is growing, AND the followers are willing to gloss over his association with the self styled "paigambar Yusuf" chappie for the time being.

Is jahil hamid repackaging old OBL wine in a new bottle for paki consumption?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 22 Dec 2009 02:31

^^^ khilafat, step 1: cleanse muslim lands of evil oppressive crusaders (we are victims onlee), e.g. eye-rack; step 2: overthrow munafiqs, e.g. egypt, ksa (we are victims onlee); step 3: global jeehard (we are victims onlee, er... we'll see later what we are...)

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 22 Dec 2009 02:57

Gagan wrote:I would suspect that in the case of the Saudis, they (the state) would have terrorized the would be terrorists into submission by threatening their families etc etc.

Actually, they give 'em cars, money, homes, wimmin etc:

60 minutes report.

Their notion is that a normal life weighed down by family and possesions will de-jihadify them. Basically buy them off. At least that's the story.

"Each time the United States releases Saudis from the prison at Guantanamo, the kingdom dispatches a 747 to Cuba to pick them up...the Saudi government is paying for cars, homes, even marriages for these reformed jihadists."

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Dec 2009 03:34

NO !

That can't be! Can this mean that the Saudi has some grey matter between the ears, hain ji?

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 22 Dec 2009 03:48

From the Pandita blogs, mention of the caste system..i have said this many times here. The caste system as practised now is a legacy of Islamic imperialism in India and class issues. Excellent analysis mostly and confirms well with the BRF line of thought regarding TSP. Concue with Vivek ji..

Admins - Please add these blog posts to the links at the start of every TSP thread. thanks.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 22 Dec 2009 04:01

In that 60 minutes report, of-course, the American reporter does not speak Arabic so doesn't know what the reformer clerics and shrinks are actually saying to the would-be jihadis. And yet, when asked what he told them, the cleric replies:

I told them that we shouldn't do this kind of jihad because we don't want to send the message that ours is a bloody religion

So nothing about why it might be inherently wrong to kill innocents and create widows and orphans, or attack others based on some delusional conspiracy theories, or even about what God (hey, remember God?) might think. No, it's all about marketing and image!

These guys are the biggest idolators on the planet, where the abstract idea of their religion itself is the idol to be protected and fed. For the pakis, the nucular bum is another idol. Protecting and feeding the faith and bum at all costs!

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 22 Dec 2009 06:21

BBC:

Is Pak Supreme Court Carrying Out Army/ISI Agenda to Undermine Govt?

arun · Post by **arun** » 22 Dec 2009 07:41

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan, a nation on a headlong plunge to modernity

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Ear for an ear, nose for a nose

Tuesday, 22 Dec, 2009

LAHORE: An ATC on Monday ordered that nose and ears of two convicts be chopped off as they had done the same to a woman who had refused to marry one of them. ...........................

Dawn

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Dec 2009 08:02

harbans wrote:Admins - Please add these blog posts to the links at the start of every TSP thread. thanks.[/i]

Rahul, harbans, krishnapremi & Vivek, ok...being updated

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 22 Dec 2009 08:27

Seems like there is shooting from across LOC. There has been in intermittent shooting through the night.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 22 Dec 2009 08:57

Will there be a lamp post for 10 percenti ?
PPP warns against ‘another judical murder’

LAHORE: The Pakistan People’s Party Punjab leadership has warned the judiciary against what it calls becoming a party against the PPP, making it clear any attempt to ‘commit judicial murder’ of a party leader will be disastrous for Pakistan.

The severe criticism was voiced in the party’s provincial chapter meeting here on Monday.

“The 15-day court proceedings on the NRO were in fact a trial of President Zardari. The court discussion was primarily on character assassination (of president) rather then the NRO,” he said.

Samiullah was also critical of a section of the media. “Who will rule the country is to be decided by masses not teray or meray mutabik.”

Skanda · Post by **Skanda** » 22 Dec 2009 09:33

Which Government Debt Issuers Are Most Likely to Default?

The Risk Monitor uses five-year credit default swaps (CDSs) and ranks the countries according to volatility. It uses the percent of change to determine the ranking of these countries. The new index is called the cumulative possibility of default (CPD). If, for example, a country has a 20% CPD, it has a one in five chance of defaulting in the next five years. Also included is their most recent credit rating.

Here are the top ten countries, as ranked by CMA Datavision:

* Venezuela: CPD 56.26%, credit rating BB- negative outlook
* Ukraine: CPD 52.91%, credit rating CCC+ stable outlook
* Argentina: CPD 46,06%, credit rating B- stable outlook
* Pakistan: CPD 38.11%, credit rating B- stable outlook
* Republic of Latvia: CPD 30.47%, credit rating BB negative outlook
* Dubai UAE: CPD 25.71%, credit rating BB+ negative outlook
* Iceland: CPD 24.66%, credit rating BBB- negative outlook
* Lithuania: CPD 19.11%, credit rating BBB negative outlook
* California, USA: CPD 18.97%, credit rating Baaa1, stable outlook
* Greece: CPD 18.67%, credit rating BBB+

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Dec 2009 09:49

Pakistan's B- Stable outlook is because of the US funds and the fact that the US may not allow this country from going down under. The outlook is not based on Pakistan's own steam. This has been the case since the early 50s.

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 22 Dec 2009 10:14

India says Pakistani troops have violated a ceasefire agreement and attacked an outpost in Jammu and Kashmir for the third time in a week.

The attack took place late on Monday night at around 2240 local time (1700 GMT) when Pakistani troops fired at India's Kandral border outpost in the Samba sector of Jammu and Kashmir.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=11 ... =351020402

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 22 Dec 2009 12:35

Suicide blast claims 3 in Peshawar: police
Tuesday, December 22, 2009

PESHAWAR: At least three persons lost their lives when a loud explosion occurred in front of the main gate of Press Club Building located on Sher Shah Sori Road in Saddar locality of Peshawar on Monday morning, police sources confirmed.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Dec 2009 14:54

Shashi Tharoor on talks with Pakistan

"Let them show us that they are serious in their understanding that those who have harmed India are the very same forces that threaten them, (and) they understand that we have the same enemies rather than any other approach. Then we will have a basis to talk," he said.

archan · Post by **archan** » 22 Dec 2009 15:59

Lalmohan wrote:^^^ khilafat, step 1: cleanse muslim lands of evil oppressive crusaders (we are victims onlee), e.g. eye-rack; step 2: overthrow munafiqs, e.g. egypt, ksa (we are victims onlee); step 3: global jeehard (we are victims onlee, er... we'll see later what we are...)

wonder what the justification was when Muslims were the oppressors taking away others' lands. Guess..establishment of "righteous rule" in the name of Allah? showing the jahils how to live "properly"? they can do just about anything and justify it in the name of Allah.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Dec 2009 16:38

BBC

Pakistan court orders ears and noses to be cut off
Pakistan map

A Pakistani court has ordered that two men have their ears and noses cut off, as punishment for doing the same to a woman who refused to marry one of them.

The two brothers were found guilty of kidnapping 20-year-old Fazeelat Bibi, one of their cousins, in September.

The judge in Lahore also sentenced them to life in prison and a fine of $2,000.

Sentence was passed on Monday under a rarely invoked Islamic law dating from the 1980s. In the past similar sentences have been revoked on appeal.

'Eye for an eye'

Government prosecutor Ehtisham Qadir said the punishment had been awarded in accordance with the Islamic principle of "an eye for an eye".

Sher Mohammad and Amanat abducted Fazeelat Bibi as she returned home from work at a brick kiln in the Raiwind area of Lahore, the court heard.

"They put a noose around her neck, and then cut off her ears and nose," Mr Qadir told the BBC.

Three alleged accomplices are still being sought by police.

The crime was committed after Fazeelat Bibi's parents refused to give her hand in marriage to Sher Mohammad, Mr Qadir said.

Islamic laws were introduced in Pakistan during the military regime of General Ziaul Haq in the 1980s.

The BBC's M Ilyas Khan in Islamabad says punishments prescribed under the laws have rarely been awarded, and never carried out.

Pakistani human rights activists have long campaigned for more to be done to stop attacks against women, which often include facial disfigurement.

However, they also disagree with the type of punishment handed out in Lahore, correspondents say.

arun · Post by **arun** » 22 Dec 2009 17:18

X Posted.

The Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan seems to be sleeping.

The Guardian is reporting that the US has violated the territorial integrity of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on at least four occasions and have sent in special forces, uninvited:

US forces mounted secret Pakistan raids in hunt for al-Qaida

Former Nato officer reveals secret night operations in border region which America kept quiet

Declan Walsh in Islamabad
guardian.co.uk, Monday 21 December 2009 21.18 GMT

American special forces have conducted multiple clandestine raids into Pakistan's tribal areas as part of a secret war in the border region where Washington is pressing to expand its drone assassination programme.

A former Nato officer said the incursions, only one of which has been previously reported, occurred between 2003 and 2008, involved helicopter-borne elite soldiers stealing across the border at night, and were never declared to the Pakistani government.

"The Pakistanis were kept entirely in the dark about it. It was one of those things we wouldn't confirm officially with them," said the source, who had detailed knowledge of the operations.

Such operations are a matter of sensitivity in Pakistan. While public opinion has grudgingly tolerated CIA-led drone strikes in the tribal areas, any hint of American "boots on the ground" is greeted with virulent condemnation.

After the only publicly acknowledged special forces raid in September 2008, Pakistan's foreign office condemned it as "a grave provocation" while the military threatened retaliatory action.

The military source said that was the fourth raid of previous years. Two of the others targeted Taliban and al-Qaida "high-value targets" near the border, while the third was to rescue a crashed Predator drone. He said that one of the capture raids succeeded, the other failed and the US sent elite soldiers to the downed Predator because they did not trust Pakistani forces. "People were afraid they would take the parts and reverse- engineer its components," he said..................................

Even the British seem to have managed to send special-forces (SAS) into the Islamic Republic of Pakistan without the Pakistani Army being any the wiser:

The aggressive American approach to Balochistan contrasts with the low-key British tone ……………..But SAS soldiers have been active in the province. The former Nato officer said SAS units were active in Balochistan in 2002, 2003 and possibly beyond, attacking drug traffickers. ...............................

From here:

The Guardian

arun · Post by **arun** » 22 Dec 2009 17:22

Not just are Peshawar’s children growing up scared, Peshawar’s children are also growing up being taught to hate India :

Growing up scared in Peshawar

By Arwa Damon, CNN
December 21, 2009 9:37 p.m. EST …………………..

At Zara's school we also meet 10-year-old Qainat. We ask her what she likes to do.

"I like to do painting and I like to ..." she pauses and looks away. "But I don't like America because she is so bad, and also India."

She says it's what her parents are telling her, explaining that the Afghan refugees who have lived in the city for decades aren't responsible. ………………..

Meanwhile this should provide enough grounds for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to extract a further billion or two from the US in aid:

it's going to take a collective effort from the government, the media and the international community to prevent Pakistan's next generation from being a lost generation materializing into a dysfunctional society.

From here: CNN