Telangana Monitor

[anuj]

Many of these people don't understand the difference between right way and wrong way.

Whats with the condescending tone? Is that something the andhra's are born with?

If Telangana is separated, then Hyderabad tax revenues should be divided between Andhra and Telangana for a period of 15 to 20 years while Andhra capital is developed and central some resources are diverted to it.

So that's what this is all about? Business? The relation has always based on business i assume, no? So the claim about the protest's are actually organized in seema and coastal by businessmen is very true. What about KG basin? Who get's that?

I am from Andhra, studied in Telangana and married into a Telangana family.

What does that have to do with the argument? Your secularness?

I am stunned by the hate propagated by Telugus of Telangana.

What happened in telangana was a systematic emasculation of the locals so as to make them incapable of yielding anything out of the resources they have in there own lands. For that, i think you should divert all agricultural output of andhra region for the next 15-20 years to telangana. You had a free-for-all on hyderabad and the resources for 50+ years and i don't see any reason why you should get any part of it in the future. If that sounds cruel, what you did in telangana, you are worst than the british. The british plundered the resources but at least they left behind railways and bridges. Andhra however, didn't even give infrastructure. That's not the hate that's talking. That's the truth.

For all the hate Telugus in Telangana propagate, common Andhra man is as helpless as any one in Telangana when it comes to political exploitation.

What is this? equal-equal?

I am sure Telugus in Andhra would not mind if Telugus of Telangana come and work there.

Doubt?

[Rudradev]

Let me repeat something I said much earlier in this thread. The solution to these problems is something we should have done very long ago. We need to strengthen local bodies at the expense of the states. That is the way things are in most modern democracies. The reason there are clamours for more and states is the extraordinary power in the state capital and the extremely low power in the cities and towns and villages. It was not always this way - before independence, the position of mayor of a town used to be pretty powerful and prestigious. If that happens, state boundaries will become less relevant.

Most "modern democracies" are not civilizationally rooted in a tradition of clan patronage and caste competition at the local level, as India is. Investing greater power into smaller localities would be disastrous, because it would favor status-quo castes who happen to be demographically powerful in those areas, and deprive underprivileged groups of any hope of redressal. Worst off under such a system would be castes or ethnic groups whose numbers have dispersed to a number of urban centers in search of education or jobs, and who therefore do not occupy a position of demographic strength in any locality.

[Sridhar]

I hope you have heard of something called 'courts'. They exist for redressal of grievances and for enforcing citizens' rights. It is a different matter that the entire system of justice needs to be reformed top to bottom. One cannot have piecemeal reform, but if it is done in a holistic manner, I don't see your concerns as being valid.

[bahdada]

I'm sure the Telengana goonda's and "Students" will act up tomorrow. Hope the CRPF/AP Police have the tear gas ready and wish them a very Merry Christmas. I feel bad for KCR, he's gonna have to limit himself to 1 or 2 bottles of blue label tonight since his minions are scheduled to meet bright and early at 11AM tomorrow.

[Sridhar]

Somewhat away from the question of whether Telengana should be formed or not, a repeated assertion seems to be that if Hyderabad were to be not part of Andhra, businessmen from Coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema who have invested in Hyderabad would need to pack their bags and leave. What gives rise to such fears? When Andhra separated from the erstwhile Madras state, not one businessman in Madras/rest of TN had to pack his bags and leave. When Jharkhand separated from Bihar, the coal mafia continued to be controlled by people from districts in Bihar. When Gujarat separated from Maharashtra, Gujarati businessmen in Bombay continued to be just as dominant as before. What is unique about the situation in Hyderabad?

Of course, politicians in Andhra will not be able to make money out of Hyderabad. Is that what this is all about? Or is there some way people living in Hyderabad who are not from Telengana will be personally affected?

[RameshVarma]

Whats with the condescending tone? Is that something the andhra's are born with?

So that's what this is all about? Business? The relation has always based on business i assume, no?

Yes, it is all about business and to be frank the Hyderabad has got that status because of the business investments of from people all over A.P.,(mostly Andhra and Seema people be it the film cities or pharmaceutical companies or IT companies). Hyd. generates 60% of revenues for AP because of these investments and now prey tell me why are the Andhra and Seema people not eligible for these revenues?

So the claim about the protest's are actually organized in Seema and Coastal by businessmen is very true.

Wrong the people of Andhra and Seema are pissed off because after working their ass off to get the public investments [in terms of school, research institutes and Labs, public sector companies, etc] for AP to be invested in Telangana [esp. Hyderabad] as they thought that was there part of state too.Today these goons come up and say Andhraites and Seema people have no right on these.

What about KG basin? Who get's that?

Here is no brainier for you the people of Andhra are shouting for United Andhra so Telangana people can enjoy the benefits of KG basin.

I am from Andhra, studied in Telangana and married into a Telangana family.

What does that have to do with the argument? Your secularness?

No that doesn't show Secularness [where ever you came up with that], but how much the people of Andhra have integrated with Telanganites and how they consider Hyd. there home.

What happened in telangana was a systematic emasculation of the locals so as to make them incapable of yielding anything out of the resources they have in there own lands. For that, i think you should divert all agricultural output of andhra region for the next 15-20 years to telangana. You had a free-for-all on hyderabad and the resources for 50+ years and i don't see any reason why you should get any part of it in the future. If that sounds cruel, what you did in telangana, you are worst than the british. The british plundered the resources but at least they left behind railways and bridges. Andhra however, didn't even give infrastructure. That's not the hate that's talking. That's the truth.

Wait a minute let me
A perfect example of Lahoori logic.......I don't expect you to backup any of these statements with statistics or some literature.

Here is question to you. Let's hypothetical say that Telangana state has been formed. What you intend to do with all the evil Andhra and Seema people? Get rid of them or do you have any better plan for them ?

Doubt?

Yes, I seriously doubt that you will be to make any constructive statements which can help in carrying the debate forward.

Here are some of the points your post needs to answer if you are serious enough to carry on the debate?

-> What makes you think or why do you think the people of Andhra and seema exploited the Telanaga region? If your answer to these questions is development index, them let me point out to you districts of Seema and some districts of Andhra are more backward than Telangana.

-> Coming to Jobs being taken away by the Andhra and Seema people? If this is your argument, do you intend to say that people of Andhra and Seema have no right to apply for jobs in Telanagana. If yes then it sends wrong signals that Telangana people are incompetent, which I am sure is wrong notion.
(or)
If you say that Andhra people get jobs because of better educational background, then the most number of educational institutes are located in Telanagana region [which has been already posted in the thread].
(or)
If you say that because of Nepotism people of Telanagana are not getting jobs.All I can say is your[telanganites] incompetency is making them say these statements unless backed up statistical data.

-> If you feel that the people of Andhra are depriving of your rights? Here is something which you need to take up with your elected representatives who 40% of state assembly for the past 50+ years[whose number is a force to reckon]

[KLNMurthy]

I love how the blog rips apart all the UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL lectures that seems to be the favorite slogan of andhra.

There was an interview last night on Telugu TV news channel of some girls of a college who were fasting and fighting for Samaikya Andhra. The reporter asked a series of questions to the girls and their teacher. He asked, ‘what are you fighting for?’ A girl answered, ‘for Samaikya Andhra’. He asked why. She replied, because kalasi unte kaladu sukham (which means ‘if we stay together then we are happy’).

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the fact that the United Andhra proponents are confused in their emotions, thinking and expression, and that coastal & seema people contributed to the alienation with Telangana with their insensitivity, sometimes crossing over into contempt for the Telangana people and culture, shouldn't prevent us from being honest in understanding what is going on at an emotional level. The picture is not complete unless we take into account one factor that is not very much mentioned--envy on the part of the Telangana bourgeoisie towards the coastal / seema people. We need to ask, why so much hatred, promising rivers of blood, promising ethnic cleansing, all worthy of Paki mindset, towards people of their own language? You can make all the sophisticated arguments you want about Telangana, but on this forum, it is ironic that the Pakiness aspect of the Telangana movement is being ignored. (Just by way of comparison, when Varun Gandhi made one immature provocative remark indirectly about Muslims, the hammer came down on him, to everyone's applause. The Telangana movement's rhetoric is far, far, worse, and far more consistent, and hardly any notice is taken of it, except by the terrified "Andhra" residents of Hyderabad)

I think, one aspect of this Pakiness is that it is a bigger challenge to accept the success and dynamism of your brother or cousin than it is to accept the success of people who are not so related. That is why we see very little or no resentment towards all the non-Telugu "owners" of Hyderabad of old. Another aspect is that the Nizam consciously kept the Telugu people down--all the so-called development and greatness of Hyderabad was in a sort of UAE model--the local Muslim aristocracy had all the political power, and Marathis, UPites, etc. were imported to provide whatever dynamism that was there. There was no place for Telugu people under the Nizam, whose people always ruled as an occupying elite foreign race, contrasted with the Qutb Shahis who followed something closer to the Indic model under which even an outsider king and court, moves towards adopting the local culture and language (we can mention Satavahanas, Chalukyas, Vijayanagar rulers etc. here).

Basically I feel that the emotional crux of the Telangana movement is that the Telangana Telugu people learned under the Asif Jahis that Telugu people were not supposed to be entrepreneurial and successful. They internalized this belief so much over the generations that the influx of Telugu people who competed well in school, and in the jobs & business world outside school gave rise to cognitive dissonance, and the reaction is envy leading to hatred of those Telugus. Abused children grow up to be abusers themselves--they learn that they, and those like them, and those close to them, are worthless and should be put down if they are trying to rise up.

Observe that all the blame for the "divorce" is being put on the coastal people by this sujal blogger. In a marriage, both partners are supposed to work hard to learn to identify with each other and form a joint endeavor. There is no marriage in which Adolf Hitler is married to Mahatma Gandhi, though it may be portrayed as such. The question of what the Telangana Telugus did or failed to do to identify with their coastal brethren, and why, is not being asked. It seems that everyone thinks it is fine for the Telangana people to be insular at best and talk like Nazi stormtroopers at worst. (so far in this round, there is only talk, but can anyone who knows the Paki history, razaakaars, etc. take the chance that rivers of coastal people's blood won't be made to flow?) Is this a way to build a great global city or a great nation? Many of us who live in very successful multicultural global cities can understand the difference.

I am sorry to be harsh, but what we are seeing here is the heart of Pakiness, but engaged in by Telugus who were themselves the victims of Paki abuse under the Asif Jahis. In thinking about future of India, and the core Indian cultural issues that we have to deal with, the Telangana movement offers key lessons about the challenges India faces.

[bahdada]

Somewhat away from the question of whether Telengana should be formed or not, a repeated assertion seems to be that if Hyderabad were to be not part of Andhra, businessmen from Coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema who have invested in Hyderabad would need to pack their bags and leave. What gives rise to such fears? When Andhra separated from the erstwhile Madras state, not one businessman in Madras/rest of TN had to pack his bags and leave. When Jharkhand separated from Bihar, the coal mafia continued to be controlled by people from districts in Bihar. When Gujarat separated from Maharashtra, Gujarati businessmen in Bombay continued to be just as dominant as before. What is unique about the situation in Hyderabad?

I think it has to do with the mentality and driving motivation behind the whole movement. These people are being duped into thinking if Telengana ever forms, they'll immediately get to move in to all houses/farms/businesses etc owned and developed by "outsiders". And based on all the misspelled pro-Telengana graffiti around HYD, I bet some think their IQ's get to automatically shoot north of 90. The fear I believe is that with that kind of pressure the eventual leadership might actually turn Hyderabad into something like what happened to Zimbabwe by intimidation, harassment and violence.

[vijayk]

Many of these people don't understand the difference between right way and wrong way.

Whats with the condescending tone? Is that something the andhra's are born with?

This is what it is ...

I dont understand the difference between the right way as opposed to a wrong way.

Which part of the above sentence did you not understand?
I can't comment on every one's birth qualities in Andhra or Telangana but you seem to be born with a lot of hatred in your heart.

So that's what this is all about? Business? The relation has always based on business i assume, no? So the claim about the protest's are actually organized in seema and coastal by businessmen is very true. What about KG basin? Who get's that?

It is about moving forward and keeping the hatred and emotions aside.
I don't know about protesters but I am suggesting a way to come out of the mess AP is in as opposed to KCR's way of slitting throats, threatening bloodbaths. Do you prefer that?

The gas reserves in KG Basin is being exploited for whole of India. Andhra Telugus don't pocket it. No body is sitting and crying there that all the gas is being diverted to India or Telangana. But I have seen many voices of Telangana screaming that all the coal is Telangana goes to Andhra people.

If you want enjoy the tax revenue of KG basin, you have a choice. Stay united. If you don't want that, that is fine for me too.

Hyderabad was the capital of AP and hence a lot of funds from AP and Center (part of tax revenues derived from all of AP) was allocated to Hyderabad development in the form of industries, infrastructure as it was the capital. If there was a separate state, Center would have divided the allocation. Now Hyderabad provides 50% of tax revenues to AP. If there is separate state, that has to be divided for some period until a viable capital is developed in Andhra region. I think 15-20 years is a reasonable number.

I am from Andhra, studied in Telangana and married into a Telangana family.

What does that have to do with the argument? Your secularness?

That is the reality for many people. Very difficult for me to see people fighting this way ... you andhras, you Telanganites. No difference if people in work place fight: you Kammas, you Reddys, you Brahmins, You North Indians, You South Indians, You Hindus, You Muslims.

Difficult for you to understand. When someone's brain is filled with hatred, every word sounds sarcastic or arrogant or condescending?

What about my kids? Do my kids need a genetic test before you and KCR decide if they are Telanganite or Andhra?
Will you issue my kids a Visa? Would you expel them because my wife committed a sin by marrying Andhra guy?

What happened in telangana was a systematic emasculation of the locals so as to make them incapable of yielding anything out of the resources they have in there own lands. For that, i think you should divert all agricultural output of andhra region for the next 15-20 years to telangana. You had a free-for-all on hyderabad and the resources for 50+ years and i don't see any reason why you should get any part of it in the future. If that sounds cruel, what you did in telangana, you are worst than the british. The british plundered the resources but at least they left behind railways and bridges. Andhra however, didn't even give infrastructure. That's not the hate that's talking. That's the truth.

For What I did? Now it is all me? You want to burn me now? Slit my throat?

Why don't you join KCR brigade? Or are you already a part of it? Check with Bal/Uday/Raj Thackreys. They will lend his expertise to KCR's goon Sena.

For all the hate Telugus in Telangana propagate, common Andhra man is as helpless as any one in Telangana when it comes to political exploitation.

What is this? equal-equal?

Reality in India. Come up with new promises. Get elected. Pocket all the money. When people don't believe you any more, blame some one else. Pit one caste against other or religion against religion or region against region. Same every where you go. All across India.

I am sure Telugus in Andhra would not mind if Telugus of Telangana come and work there.

Doubt?

No doubt. Every one is welcome to go to any place in AP including you. May be we have to ask you to get evaluated psychologically though.

[goutham]

So you mean to say that people who invested in Hyderabad, slogged day and nite, their a$$ off, shud just leave everything, pack their bags and go ??? Is that what you are suggesting? ]

No one is asking anyone to goback. All Telaganites are asking for is a seperate state nothing wrong with the demand, Arent Andhrites working in Chennai/Mumbai and other metro's now? Constituiton of India guarntees those benefits.

The only people who are working against Telangana right now are Vested business interests from Andhra, who feel their illegal and illgotten wealth is at stake

[anuj]

What do you know about Andhra and Andhrites? For me Andhra means Kosta, Telangana, Rayalseem and Konaseema !!!

konchum konchum. Im part of it onlee.

So you mean to say that people who invested in Hyderabad, slogged day and nite, their a$$ off, shud just leave everything, pack their bags and go ??? Is that what you are suggesting?

Let me see. You took the agriculture money you made from coastal and put some of it in telangana. That peanut money is what funded telangana for 60 years. Then you took the money that was made in telangana from all the businesses and all the mining industries and used that money to fund coastal. That's an excellent system you created might i add. Have you no heart?

Do you have any Idea about the demographics and geography of AP state? Do you know why Kosta has High agriculture output compared to Telangana and Rayalseema? On what basis are you claiming that Telangana locals have been systematically emasculated?

Well, apparently, telanagana has abundant water resources. But there are no irrigation facilities because whenever telangana requested andhra to start these projects, seema and coastal joined hands and used there democratic advantage and did whatever possible to stop that from happening or gave false assurances.

That was not a coincidence. That was done with a purpose. To deprive telangana's future generations and the results are very apparent now. And now, that the results have been achieved, you can go tell the rest of india that the people of telangana are incapable to take control of there own inheritance. You can tell the rest of india, that due to there incapability, you own there mining fields, the businesses, the realities in telangana. You can tell the rest of india that andhra had actually helped telangana and that the people of telangana are selfish. You can tell them that KCR is a corrupt politician. You can tell them that there is no consensus for a separate state in telangana because it is only a few guy's in TRS that are doing this. You can thus justify andhra's current involvement and occupation over telangana.

Given telangana's poor status you further deprived them of there educational needs. You made sure that no new universities would come up in the region. You made sure that children would have to travel several KM's on there bicycles before they reach there nearest schools. You made sure that collage students traveled to different districts to find the nearest collage and fight over whatever few seats that where there. I wonder, why you did what you did?

On what basis are you claiming that Kosta Andhra had a free run when the maximum investment done by government including SEZ and all high profile projects have been assigned in Telangana?

False assurances, no?

Let me tell you that this Forum is in very high regards for intellectual discussions provided by facts. It is probably the only forum I visited where people do healthy and neutral discussions. We don't want any hate wars here. Discussions should be healthy and knowledge oriented and not meant for whining and flaming hate wars.

Why do only people in coastal consider my or telangana's claims as "hate" filled. Im guessing you have a problem with me posting these things fearing other indians here from across the state might read what i had typed. What are you so ashamed off my dear telugu brother? What do you think? Do i work for KCR? Do i represent an anti-andhra hate forum? Am i a paki trying to divide india? Am i a part of a secret tamil organization hell bent on taking over the south? The cries of telangana are not intellectual for you? Please oh please, condescend me, patronize me.

Nobody stopped telangana people to come and work in any part of Andhra. In fact as equal citizens of india, they have the right to work in any place of India.

Im an indian. No need to put across this textbook sentence. Im already still trying to get through the UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL rhetoric.

[goutham]

Yes, it is all about business and to be frank the Hyderabad has got that status because of the business investments of from people all over A.P.,(mostly Andhra and Seema people be it the film cities or pharmaceutical companies or IT companies). Hyd. generates 60% of revenues for AP because of these investments and now prey tell me why are the Andhra and Seema people not eligible for these revenues?

Wrong the people of Andhra and Seema are pissed off because after working their ass off to get the public investments [in terms of school, research institutes and Labs, public sector companies, etc] for AP to be invested in Telangana [esp. Hyderabad] as they thought that was there part of state too.Today these goons come up and say Andhraites and Seema people have no right on these.

Can you objectively list all the investments made by Andhra and Seema people and tell me why you think those business interests would be harmed?

Hyderabad was and is the 5th largest city in the country before and after the formation of AP in 1956.All the metro's in India have grown, There is nothing special that Andhrites have contributed It was all organic.

Here is question to you. Let's hypothetical say that Telangana state has been formed. What you intend to do with all the evil Andhra and Seema people? Get rid of them or do you have any better plan for them ?

No one intends to do anything. Constitution of India guarantees every India citizen to live and work anywhere in India. Why are you afraid of anything?

What happened when Andhra seperated from Madras, Did Tamilians kick out anybody out of Chennai? Isnt there a thriving Telugu community in Chennai now?

[Sridhar]

What do businessmen care? Instead of paying one set of politicians they will pay a different set. Of course, the set of politicians who are benefiting from the money they collect in Hyderabad will be forced to find new avenues. And the Telengana politicians have much to gain in terms of loot and plunder.

One other thing - the argument is being made that Hyderabad's infrastructure was developed as a result of money flowing in from other parts of Andhra. I think this is highly unlikely. Most major cities in India have net outflows - if they were separate states, they would be much better off. This is true of Mumbai, Chennai and Bangalore. I don't have numbers for Hyderabad, but I have no reason to believe that it is different in the case of Hyderabad.

This is not to make a case for Telengana. But the proponents of united Andhra need to come up with better arguments than
a. all the non-Telengana people who did so much to develop Hyderabad (and obviously took nothing out) will be forced to pack their bags and leave
b. Hyderabad was developed with money from Rayalaseema and Coastal Andhra

How about demolishing any false arguments of the proponents of Telengana using logic and also putting forward a plan of action to eliminate any real grievances of the people of Telengana?

[Sridhar]

I think it has to do with the mentality and driving motivation behind the whole movement. These people are being duped into thinking if Telengana ever forms, they'll immediately get to move in to all houses/farms/businesses etc owned and developed by "outsiders". And based on all the misspelled pro-Telengana graffiti around HYD, I bet some think their IQ's get to automatically shoot north of 90. The fear I believe is that with that kind of pressure the eventual leadership might actually turn Hyderabad into something like what happened to Zimbabwe by intimidation, harassment and violence.

Most Indian politicians act in enlightened self-interest. i.e. they have figured that it is better to nurture the goose that lays the golden egg than to kill it, irrespective of whether the goose is white or black or orange in color. At least all politicians other than some of the commies have learnt this lesson. Of course, they are different before they come to power. Once they are in power, ways to make money dominate all other politics. I don't see things as being too different in this case either.

[goutham]

I'm sure the Telengana goonda's and "Students" will act up tomorrow. Hope the CRPF/AP Police have the tear gas ready and wish them a very Merry Christmas. I feel bad for KCR, he's gonna have to limit himself to 1 or 2 bottles of blue label tonight since his minions are scheduled to meet bright and early at 11AM tomorrow.

I guess you dont call all people the fake deeksha's and dharna's in the past two weeks Goonda's haan?

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[ShyamSP]

What do businessmen care? Instead of paying one set of politicians they will pay a different set. Of course, the set of politicians who are benefiting from the money they collect in Hyderabad will be forced to find new avenues. And the Telengana politicians have much to gain in terms of loot and plunder.

One other thing - the argument is being made that Hyderabad's infrastructure was developed as a result of money flowing in from other parts of Andhra. I think this is highly unlikely. Most major cities in India have net outflows - if they were separate states, they would be much better off. This is true of Mumbai, Chennai and Bangalore. I don't have numbers for Hyderabad, but I have no reason to believe that it is different in the case of Hyderabad.

This is not to make a case for Telengana. But the proponents of united Andhra need to come up with better arguments than
a. all the non-Telengana people who did so much to develop Hyderabad (and obviously took nothing out) will be forced to pack their bags and leave
b. Hyderabad was developed with money from Rayalaseema and Coastal Andhra

How about demolishing any false arguments of the proponents of Telengana using logic and also putting forward a plan of action to eliminate any real grievances of the people of Telengana?

Hyderabad was developed at the expense of other areas/cities in AP. If there is another Capitol city that would have been developed also. Hyderabad would not have been developed the way it is. In last 2-3 decades, Hi-tech city/IT and other industries developed by CBN costed AP people and Film industry moved to Hyderabad costed other citys' revenues.

Hyderabad generates more revenues because more investments were made there. All AP people regardless of the region have equal claim on Hyderabad.

[ShyamSP]

Telenganavadis are asking for separate state because government created 3 new states (which were created without affecting Capitol city). In the same way, they can have Telangana without Hyderbad. If that is the case you would have only a few areas/5-6 districts joining Telengana state. Their farce claim would come out openly.

Keep in mind that Hyderabad was part of Hyderabad state before AP formation and is part of AP after AP formation. Hyderbad is never exclusively part of Telengana.

[goutham]

Yes, I seriously doubt that you will be to make any constructive statements which can help in carrying the debate forward.

Here are some of the points your post needs to answer if you are serious enough to carry on the debate?

-> What makes you think or why do you think the people of Andhra and seema exploited the Telanaga region? If your answer to these questions is development index, them let me point out to you districts of Seema and some districts of Andhra are more backward than Telangana.

-> Coming to Jobs being taken away by the Andhra and Seema people? If this is your argument, do you intend to say that people of Andhra and Seema have no right to apply for jobs in Telanagana. If yes then it sends wrong signals that Telangana people are incompetent, which I am sure is wrong notion.
(or)
If you say that Andhra people get jobs because of better educational background, then the most number of educational institutes are located in Telanagana region [which has been already posted in the thread].
(or)
If you say that because of Nepotism people of Telanagana are not getting jobs.All I can say is your[telanganites] incompetency is making them say these statements unless backed up statistical data.

-> If you feel that the people of Andhra are depriving of your rights? Here is something which you need to take up with your elected representatives who 40% of state assembly for the past 50+ yearswhose number is a force to reckon

At the time of formation of AP. Disticts in Andhra wre much more developed because of investments in infrastructure and education by the british, People in Andhra used heads up in education to grab majority of govt. jobs and moved up the ladder. This kept growing as the time went on, There was never anything done address this greviance. Do you know about GO 620?
Do you know how many years politicans from Telengana were Chief minister's of AP

Telangana is holds 40% of land and people of AP but only 10- 15% of the people from Telangana hold govt. jobs

See the sequence of events over the last 50 years and decide for urself

-Telangana people never supported the merger in 1956. But merger was forced anyway with a promise of certain conditions

- First the mulki rules about jobs were violated and supreme court ruled in favor of Telangana to implement jobs for Locals which was never fully implemented , inspite of the judgement

- Indira brought some peace after the 1969 agitation with a six principle agreement Again never fully implemented

-NTR brings out GO620, to provide locals in Telengana with jobs but its burried the Andhra dominated bueracracy.

-When Chenna Reddy tried to invoke 620, he was thrown out by fabricated communal riots

-Naidu promises actions on 620 but no use

-YSR promises to look in to it, but intime sells all the lands of HYD and transfers the moeny to projects in ANdhra

[goutham]

Telenganavadis are asking for separate state because government created 3 new states (which were created without affecting Capitol city). In the same way, they can have Telangana without Hyderbad. If that is the case you would have only a few areas/5-6 districts joining Telengana state. Their farce claim would come out openly.

Keep in mind that Hyderabad was part of Hyderabad state before AP formation and is part of AP after AP formation. Hyderbad is never exclusively part of Telengana.

Dude you need to brush up your history. Telengana and Hyderabad were part of the same state (Nizam) before and prior to the formation of AP.

How can you even imagine that Hyderabad can be capital of Andhra when there is no neighboring land in Andhra thats within 200 kms of Hyderabad?

Is there any state or capital in the world like that?

[goutham]

What do businessmen care? Instead of paying one set of politicians they will pay a different set. Of course, the set of politicians who are benefiting from the money they collect in Hyderabad will be forced to find new avenues. And the Telengana politicians have much to gain in terms of loot and plunder.

One other thing - the argument is being made that Hyderabad's infrastructure was developed as a result of money flowing in from other parts of Andhra. I think this is highly unlikely. Most major cities in India have net outflows - if they were separate states, they would be much better off. This is true of Mumbai, Chennai and Bangalore. I don't have numbers for Hyderabad, but I have no reason to believe that it is different in the case of Hyderabad.

This is not to make a case for Telengana. But the proponents of united Andhra need to come up with better arguments than
a. all the non-Telengana people who did so much to develop Hyderabad (and obviously took nothing out) will be forced to pack their bags and leave
b. Hyderabad was developed with money from Rayalaseema and Coastal Andhra

How about demolishing any false arguments of the proponents of Telengana using logic and also putting forward a plan of action to eliminate any real grievances of the people of Telengana?

Hyderabad was developed at the expense of other areas/cities in AP. If there is another Capitol city that would have been developed also. Hyderabad would not have been developed the way it is. In last 2-3 decades, Hi-tech city/IT and other industries developed by CBN costed AP people and Film industry moved to Hyderabad costed other citys' revenues.

Hyderabad generates more revenues because more investments were made there. All AP people regardless of the region have equal claim on Hyderabad.

What evidence do you have to support that money was diverted from development of other cities? How many Metro's do you have in other states. Infact it is the otherway where lands out side hyderabad were sold to invest in irrigation infrastructure in Andhra at the expense of Telengana.

The fact is Hyderabad was and is the 5th largest city in India going all the way back to independence.

IT companies would have come to Hyderabad anyway even if Telangana was there. Hyderabad is/was very cosmopolitan with excellent infrastructure even before 1956.

[ShyamSP]

Telenganavadis are asking for separate state because government created 3 new states (which were created without affecting Capitol city). In the same way, they can have Telangana without Hyderbad. If that is the case you would have only a few areas/5-6 districts joining Telengana state. Their farce claim would come out openly.

Keep in mind that Hyderabad was part of Hyderabad state before AP formation and is part of AP after AP formation. Hyderbad is never exclusively part of Telengana.

Dude you need to brush up your history. Telengana and Hyderabad were part of the same state (Nizam) before and prior to the formation of AP.

How can you even imagine that Hyderabad can be capital of Andhra when there is neighboring land in Andhra thats within 200 kms of Hyderabad?

Is there any state or capital in the world like that?

Most of Rayalaseema and Circar districts were part of Nizam also. They should be joined in Telengana.

Only Chittoor and Nellore Districts will be AP. You rest of Telengana people get out and form Telengana or what ever.

[ShyamSP]

[quote="Sridhar"What do businessmen care? Instead of paying one set of politicians they will pay a different set. Of course, the set of politicians who are benefiting from the money they collect in Hyderabad will be forced to find new avenues. And the Telengana politicians have much to gain in terms of loot and plunder.

One other thing - the argument is being made that Hyderabad's infrastructure was developed as a result of money flowing in from other parts of Andhra. I think this is highly unlikely. Most major cities in India have net outflows - if they were separate states, they would be much better off. This is true of Mumbai, Chennai and Bangalore. I don't have numbers for Hyderabad, but I have no reason to believe that it is different in the case of Hyderabad.

This is not to make a case for Telengana. But the proponents of united Andhra need to come up with better arguments than
a. all the non-Telengana people who did so much to develop Hyderabad (and obviously took nothing out) will be forced to pack their bags and leave
b. Hyderabad was developed with money from Rayalaseema and Coastal Andhra

How about demolishing any false arguments of the proponents of Telengana using logic and also putting forward a plan of action to eliminate any real grievances of the people of Telengana?/quote]

Hyderabad was developed at the expense of other areas/cities in AP. If there is another Capitol city that would have been developed also. Hyderabad would not have been developed the way it is. In last 2-3 decades, Hi-tech city/IT and other industries developed by CBN costed AP people and Film industry moved to Hyderabad costed other citys' revenues.

Hyderabad generates more revenues because more investments were made there. All AP people regardless of the region have equal claim on Hyderabad.

What evidence do you have to support that money was diverted from development of other cities? How many Metro's do you have in other states. Infact it is the otherway where lands out side hyderabad were sold to invest in irrigation infrastructure in Andhra at the expense of Telengana.

The fact is Hyderabad was and is the 5th largest city in India going all the way back to independence.

IT companies would have come to Hyderabad anyway even if Telangana was there. Hyderabad is/was very cosmopolitan with excellent infrastructure even before 1956.

Check government records.

[goutham]

Check government records.

Yeah Right

[goutham]

Most of Rayalaseema and Circar districts were part of Nizam also. They should be joined in Telengana.

Only Chittoor and Nellore Districts will be AP. You rest of Telengana people get out and form Telengana or what ever.

Hopefully this map will teach you some geography

[ShyamSP]

Why don't you roll back another 100 years or so and post the map.


Also why only Telengana. How about Gulbarga and Aurangabad divisions. Shouldn't they also ask for loot? In your mind only Telenganavadis?

[ravit]

So you mean to say that people who invested in Hyderabad, slogged day and nite, their a$$ off, shud just leave everything, pack their bags and go ??? Is that what you are suggesting? ]

No one is asking anyone to goback. All Telaganites are asking for is a seperate state nothing wrong with the demand, Arent Andhrites working in Chennai/Mumbai and other metro's now? Constituiton of India guarntees those benefits.

Tell me are the Andhra's working in Chennai/Mumbai 2-5times size of local population in Chennia/Mumbai like in the case of Hyderabad? Also, are they in Chennai/Mumbai just because its their state capital and all education/employment generation in their state is being generated only in their state capital and no where else? Do they also feel that Chennai/Mumbai belongs to them as much as it belongs to TN/MH?

No one intends to do anything. Constitution of India guarantees every India citizen to live and work anywhere in India. Why are you afraid of anything?

Andhra people hotels, shops, cinema-persons are already being attacked in hyderabad after TRS went MNS way. And KCR saying he'll still tongue's of anyone saying United-Andhra does not help the situation as well. For those who sees all this mayhem, which will increase after HM's statement today, constitutional provision are nothing.

What evidence do you have to support that money was diverted from development of other cities? How many Metro's do you have in other states. Infact it is the otherway where lands out side hyderabad were sold to invest in irrigation infrastructure in Andhra at the expense of Telengana.

The fact is Hyderabad was and is the 5th largest city in India going all the way back to independence. IT companies would have come to Hyderabad anyway even if Telangana was there. Hyderabad is/was very cosmopolitan with excellent infrastructure even before 1956.

What evidence do you have to disprove it? There are no census in Hyderabad business establishments based on people's-origin place. And whichever way you turn this, no one can prove anything. Everyone talks with their gut feeling and information from group of people around them.

Right. How good was nizam's-Hyd competing with Bangalore before late 90's? Zero. It's only after CBN(yes he ate crores. but, so did every minister everywhere in India), Hyd was competing with Bangalore after he built Hitech-City and started getting big-companies personally to Hyd. You could say, I didn't ask for it and he could have put this in Vizag/Vijayawada. He could have well done that and distributed among all if one foresaw this petty fight of KCR's hyd is telangana's.

Well, apparently, telanagana has abundant water resources. But there are no irrigation facilities because whenever telangana requested andhra to start these projects, seema and coastal joined hands and used there democratic advantage and did whatever possible to stop that from happening or gave false assurances.

Knock! Knock! seema and andhra joined hands? Where? When?seema is worse than Telangana if you take any indicator irrigation,water, poverty... And both of them colluded against Telangana? Right.

Given telangana's poor status you further deprived them of there educational needs.

Dude. All Andhra regions have same number of educational institutions(total and per-capita). Telangana started from very minimal and is almost equal to rest now. Can you please post statistics/data for all the things that you say?

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 63#p792063

http://censusindia.gov.in/Tables_Publis ... Sheet.aspx

[mohan]

No consensus, so no Telangana now: Centre

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/no-consensus ... 31-37.html

""There is a need to hold wide ranging consultations with all political parties and groups in the state. Government of India will take steps to involve of concerned in the process," Home Minister P Chidambaram said at a short statement in New Delhi on Wednesday.

This statement has effectively put the demand for a separate Telangana state in abeyance."

[goutham]

Why don't you roll back another 100 years or so and post the map.


Also why only Telengana. How about Gulbarga and Aurangabad divisions. Shouldn't they also ask for loot? In your mind only Telenganavadis?

Why dont you do it if you have the map? after all its you who needs to prove a point. Dont ask me to look at Govt. records again.

People in Gulbarga, Bidar and Aurangabad are willfully part of the state that they want to be part of ,during linguistic division of states.

No one is asking them to join Telengana by force. Very unlike the situation in AP today.

[ShyamSP]

Why don't you roll back another 100 years or so and post the map.


Also why only Telengana. How about Gulbarga and Aurangabad divisions. Shouldn't they also ask for loot? In your mind only Telenganavadis?

Why dont you do it if you have the map? after all its you who needs to prove a point. Dont ask me to look at Govt. records again.

People in Gulbarga, Bidar and Aurangabad are willfully part of the state that they want to be part of ,during linguistic division of states.

No one is asking them to join Telengana by force. Very unlike the situation in AP today.

Don't forget your burden to prove Telengana was neglected exclusively.

Check the post Ravit posted of kskumar's analysis. Also check the vundavalli video I posted a few days back.

British purchased Circar area in 1820s from Nizam. Here is a 1760 map

[Krishna_V]

There are three regions involved A (coastal Andhra, 9 Districts) B (telangana, 10 Districts) and C (rayalaseema, 4 Districts)

When talking about telangana people refer to Nizam rule. Muslims invaded India so why take them as starting point? Go back few years into Kakatiya rule and see if telangana culture exists at all? It’s all one kingdom with Warangal as capital.

A and B in relationship

B wants to separate. A says, no, I won’t let you go.

B says, sorry, we tried for 50 years to make this work. I want to go my own way. A says, no, I won’t let you go.

My view from C.

C scarified capital to B when AP formed. Today Hyderabad is the richest and Kurnool in bottom 4.
C is dependent on AP as it has no water, no industries, no big cities to generate revenue
If state splits, C will be promised earth (revenue sharing from Hyderabad, packages after packages from center and what not). We already eat mud once should be believe them again?
United AP is in the interest of C as it plans to develop on the revenue generated as a combined state. That’s why united movement.

[ravit]

People in Gulbarga, Bidar and Aurangabad are willfully part of the state that they want to be part of ,during linguistic division of states.

No one is asking them to join Telengana by force. Very unlike the situation in AP today.

No. People in Gulbarga, Bidar and Aurangabad don't have Hyderabad to loot from snatching it away from their states. Also, since, Telangana, Gulbarga, Bidar and Aurangabad started off at the same pace/time, why don't one compate Telangana with them? Because Telangana comes out with flying colours when one compares with erst-while nizam states? They can't hold Hyderabad for ransom when they do this and see how far improved they are compared to them?

If state splits, C will be promised earth (revenue sharing from Hyderabad, packages after packages from center and what not). We already eat mud once should be believe them again?

Develop another capital Vizag/Vijyawada/Kurnool for 10-15 years, keeping it as rotational capital for AP, with 50% revenue from Hyderabad and after it reaches the state where Hyderabad is now, then split AP.

[vijayk]

I am not a proponent of united AP. It does not bother me if there is Telangana or not. I am not emotional on either side.

What do businessmen care? Instead of paying one set of politicians they will pay a different set. Of course, the set of politicians who are benefiting from the money they collect in Hyderabad will be forced to find new avenues. And the Telengana politicians have much to gain in terms of loot and plunder.

The businessmen care because there is a lot of uncertainty. Uncertainty means business will be slow whether it is real estate or service sector or manufacturing sector. When business is slow, investment is stuck. When there is no clear leadership and changes are happening in leadership driven by emotions, no one wants to come in with new investments which affects the current investors. The way KCR and his goon gang is behaving, I am sure prospective investors are afraid that he will unleash a lot of violence with police in his hands mostly to cover his failures and demand of immediate results from emotional supporters.

One other thing - the argument is being made that Hyderabad's infrastructure was developed as a result of money flowing in from other parts of Andhra. I think this is highly unlikely. Most major cities in India have net outflows - if they were separate states, they would be much better off. This is true of Mumbai, Chennai and Bangalore. I don't have numbers for Hyderabad, but I have no reason to believe that it is different in the case of Hyderabad.

May be true now. The center and state allocates funds and develops infrastructure like airports, highways mostly in the capital. In AP, the whole development was was mostly slanted towards Hyderabad for long time since the whole ruling clans live there. What about World Bank loans? A dis-proportionate of these loans were used for development of Hyderabad but was whole state paid for it. But we can't spend all our time arguing whose money was used to develop Hyderabad. All these emotional arguments are irrelevant. Hyderabad was capital for 50 years for united AP. A lot of investment (public or private or debt or loans) flowed to that city just because it was the capital. The whole Govt. machinery was based here. For example, the gas found in KG basin is exploited for whole India and tax revenues go to the state which is spent by the state to the development of entire state and a lot would go into Hyderabad development.

Naidu lost because he used all the revenues/loans to develop Hyderabad neglecting the needs of the rest of the state.
Now Hyderabad is in a position to provide 50% of revenue.

It might be true probably now.
This is not to make a case for Telengana. But the proponents of united Andhra need to come up with better arguments than
a. all the non-Telengana people who did so much to develop Hyderabad (and obviously took nothing out) will be forced to pack their bags and leave
b. Hyderabad was developed with money from Rayalaseema and Coastal Andhra

How about demolishing any false arguments of the proponents of Telengana using logic and also putting forward a plan of action to eliminate any real grievances of the people of Telengana?

Some of the grievances may be true regarding Govt. jobs. I haven't seen any real statistics. But they are true in Hyderabad which I can observe with my eyes. I don't know about other regions. Every one keeps repeating that all jobs are taken over by Costal people in Telangana without presenting any proof. May be true. May not be true.

http://censusindia.gov.in/Tables_Publis ... Sheet.aspx

Telengana Telengana Costa North Coastal Rayalaseema
(with Hyd.) (without Hyd.)
Avg. Literacy 58.05% 55.19% 65.73% 56.27% 59.74%

Safe Drinking Water
(%age of Villages) 99.79% 98.92% 76.98% 99.88%

Electricity Available
(%age of Villages) 99.96% 99.93% 99.84% 99.98%

Primary Schools
(%age of Villages) 97.27% 96.16% 84.57% 95.92%

Medical Facilities
(%age of Villages) 68.57% 64.56% 46.96% 56.28%

Bus Services
(%age of Villages) 78.43% 84.18% 41.40% 87.13%

Paved Access Road
(%age of Villages) 66.26% 86.15% 49.44% 78.75%

I haven't seen any rebuttal regarding this from any Telangana proponents.

Again, if they think that they can progress better by having separate state, I am fine with that thought. Some people might get Govt. jobs but the majority of jobs in future will be provided by private sector and they have to compete with that. No state can enact a law saying that private sector should hire local people only. But unless we remove the power of single leaders such as Sonia or YSR or Naidu or KCR who distribute tickets for goons and people with money bags, things will stay the same. If we need to progress, we need to remove nominations of MLAs/MPs/Police chiefs/Public prosecutors etc and usher in a real democracy.

Telangana proponents conveniently blame all Andhra for ills. My father used to blame some powerful caste ministers over how they promote their caste men in their department. We all love blame games because it is easy. No one wants to see how to reform the system. This is exactly what happened when British left. Brown sahibs took over the role of white sahibs.

Instead of fighting over this, let us separate AP. Make sure to divide the revenues of Hyderabad between Telangana and Andhra over a period of time (15-20 years) on 50-50 basis. Then Hyderabad revenues will be exclusively left for Telangana state. Meanwhile Andhra develops its own capital and infrastructure around it.

[Krishna_V]

Develop another capital Vizag/Vijyawada/Kurnool for 10-15 years, keeping it as rotational capital for AP, with 50% revenue from Hyderabad and after it reaches the state where Hyderabad is now, then split AP.

If there is a split there will be 3 states and not 2. Hyderabad already has the required infra by 1990. Even if we assume IT and Pharma sector growth in hyderabad since 1995 it took 15 years. At that rate if you want to develop Tirupati/Kurnool and Vijayawada or what ever then how many years will it take?

you say 50% of hyderabad revenue will be diverted. if 50% goes then how will telangana manage development? do you understand the scale of money required for infra, irrigation in telangana?

for the past 60 years in Telangana from the village, mandal to MLA and Ministers all were local leaders. no matter who formed the government, Telangana had its share of Ministers who represented telangana. are they not responsible for the under development of telangana? the same people who have done nothing for the past 15 years you expect them to work for the betterment of telangana people once new state forms?

bascially we are pushing the entire AP 15 years backward..

[goutham]

Don't forget your burden to prove Telengana was neglected exclusively.

Check the post Ravit posted of kskumar's analysis. Also check the vundavalli video I posted a few days back.

British purchased Circar area in 1820s from Nizam. Here is a 1760 map

Check out these videos which conclusively prove that Telangana was wilfully neglected by successive Andhra CM's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkivNybmZac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKmyT...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_aZ1...eature=related


Listed also are some of the issues of grave injustice to Telangana people

1) GO 610: why was this never implemented by an govt? and systematiclly by andhra bueracrats

2) Krishna and Godavari pass through majority of telangana but no projects are constructed here Nagarujuna Sagar Dam(1970): The Dam itslef was constructed in Telagana area(in the last district of Telangana), but it supplies about 70% of the water to 3 districts in Coastal Andhra.


Telangana people NEVER wanted to join Andhra state that existed before AP and after the split of Madras Presidency. Telangana, in no uncertain manner, vehemently opposed the "Vishal Andhra" suggestion. The nine districts (at that time) of Telangana formed large enough political entity to form a separate state.

Telangana has unique culture, an independent economy that existed long before even the thought of Andhra state ever took its birth!. It had a most developed city (Hyderabad), only second to Madras or Chennai, and had an advanced civic administration. It had its own currency, its own Railway system, its own mass transit system (RTA), a renowned University and higher education system, it had its own urban housing authority (Housing Board) long before the present day's HUDA or whatever name it seems to evolve into. It was the MOST cosmopolitan society India aspires for before independence; Kannadigas, Tamilians, Marathis, Gujeratis, Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims - all living together harmoniously for the most part. No culture tried to lord over others. Its cuisine is world famous.

It is the systematic looting and exploitation, and robbery of Telangana's resources and diversion of these resources only to develop a small part of the state, and the arrogant domination of the local culture and humiliating its language, and usurping the already insufficient educational opportunities for their own benefit and denying the local their rightful share (Osmania University, professional colleges) and wholesale grabbing of reserved government jobs from clerk to collector - are the reasons for the demand.

[goutham]

The businessmen care because there is a lot of uncertainty. Uncertainty means business will be slow whether it is real estate or service sector or manufacturing sector. When business is slow, investment is stuck. When there is no clear leadership and changes are happening in leadership driven by emotions, no one wants to come in with new investments which affects the current investors. The way KCR and his goon gang is behaving, I am sure prospective investors are afraid that he will unleash a lot of violence with police in his hands mostly to cover his failures and demand of immediate results from emotional supporters.

May be true now. The center and state allocates funds and develops infrastructure like airports, highways mostly in the capital. In AP, the whole development was was mostly slanted towards Hyderabad for long time since the whole ruling clans live there. What about World Bank loans? A dis-proportionate of these loans were used for development of Hyderabad but was whole state paid for it. But we can't spend all our time arguing whose money was used to develop Hyderabad. All these emotional arguments are irrelevant. Hyderabad was capital for 50 years for united AP. A lot of investment (public or private or debt or loans) flowed to that city just because it was the capital. The whole Govt. machinery was based here. For example, the gas found in KG basin is exploited for whole India and tax revenues go to the state which is spent by the state to the development of entire state and a lot would go into Hyderabad development.

Naidu lost because he used all the revenues/loans to develop Hyderabad neglecting the needs of the rest of the state.
Now Hyderabad is in a position to provide 50% of revenue.


Some of the grievances may be true regarding Govt. jobs. I haven't seen any real statistics. But they are true in Hyderabad which I can observe with my eyes. I don't know about other regions. Every one keeps repeating that all jobs are taken over by Costal people in Telangana without presenting any proof. May be true. May not be true.

I haven't seen any rebuttal regarding this from any Telangana proponents.

Again, if they think that they can progress better by having separate state, I am fine with that thought. Some people might get Govt. jobs but the majority of jobs in future will be provided by private sector and they have to compete with that. No state can enact a law saying that private sector should hire local people only. But unless we remove the power of single leaders such as Sonia or YSR or Naidu or KCR who distribute tickets for goons and people with money bags, things will stay the same. If we need to progress, we need to remove nominations of MLAs/MPs/Police chiefs/Public prosecutors etc and usher in a real democracy.

Telangana proponents conveniently blame all Andhra for ills. My father used to blame some powerful caste ministers over how they promote their caste men in their department. We all love blame games because it is easy. No one wants to see how to reform the system. This is exactly what happened when British left. Brown sahibs took over the role of white sahibs.

Instead of fighting over this, let us separate AP. Make sure to divide the revenues of Hyderabad between Telangana and Andhra over a period of time (15-20 years) on 50-50 basis. Then Hyderabad revenues will be exclusively left for Telangana state. Meanwhile Andhra develops its own capital and infrastructure around it.

Uncertainity will be gone once Telangana is granted. So your argument doesnt make sense.

You keep haring about investments in Hyderabad. Do you know how much land in and around was sold in the last five years to invest in Irrigation projects in Andhra?

Below is the link that has stats above employment

http://www.telangana.org/Papers/article6.asp

Job Opportunities in the State
After 1973, with six-point formula replacing Mulki Rules zonal recruitment and appointment was on the basis of four years stay in Telangana. It placed that the Telangana youth in disadvantageous position compared to Andhra youth. All the Andhra officials, working in Hyderabad city both in-State and central Governments private and public sector companies corporations and Boards, and educational institutions, have attained the right to get educational benefit in schools and colleges as well as in local jobs on par with Telangana youth. Thus, lakhs of Telangana youth have been deprived of educational and job opportunities in Hyderabad city and in industrial belt. The rural Telangana youth have to compete for the few jobs in the State Government offices while the Andhra rural youth have more opportunities. The job reservations and the availability of posts in both Hyderabad city and Andhra districts are more than in the Telangana districts. The following table gives the glari! ng disadvantaged position for Telangana youth.

Employment in State Government Sector as on 30-6-1983 Region Gazetted N G O's Class IV Contingency Total
Andhra Districts 15,278 2,23,256 1,10,058 21,672 3,33,900
Telangana 7,717 1,09,427 27,146 13,801 1,68,327
Hyderabad City 5,149 44,703 22,448 1,168 74,038

It is inferred from the table that job opportunities for Telangana youth are glaringly low. In the name of six point formula large number of people from Andhra have grabbed the posts of Telangana in gazetted and non-gazetted levels in State Government services.

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Factory Jobs In Telangana
Most of the factory jobs are enjoyed by Andhras as the factory owners have come from other areas. Andhras have benefited by using the land, subsidy, bank loans, raw material, power and water from Telangana. The factories in Mahabubnagar, Nalgonda, Ranga Reddy, Medak and Karimnagar are glaring examples of depriving Telangana youth from their job opportunities. Transport companies and tours and travels, finance companies, film industries, and film studios get people from other regions. In chit fund business, crores are collected from Telangana but opportunities are mostly given to Andhras. All the real estate companies have been started by Andhras.


It was reported that in Ranga Reddy district out of 1.60 lakhs of factory and other workers are non-locals while the unemployed in Ranga Reddy district exchanges are over 1.8 lakhs.

Daily Wages Workers in various Factories - 1996 - Wages (Average) Region Number Percentage
Coastal Andhra 3,16,321 67.7
Rayalaseema 69,1675 14.9
Telangana 81,095 17.4

[ravit]

1) GO 610: why was this never implemented by an govt? and systematiclly by andhra bueracrats

2) Krishna and Godavari pass through majority of telangana but no projects are constructed here Nagarujuna Sagar Dam(1970): The Dam itslef was constructed in Telagana area(in the last district of Telangana), but it supplies about 70% of the water to 3 districts in Coastal Andhra.

3)Telangana has unique culture, an independent economy that existed long before even the thought of Andhra state ever took its birth!. It had a most developed city (Hyderabad), only second to Madras or Chennai, and had an advanced civic administration. It had its own currency, its own Railway system, its own mass transit system (RTA), a renowned University and higher education system

1. I've heard someone say on tv that AP is divided into 6-zones and people from that only that zone get govt jobs. So, only hyd people get govt jobs in hyd; no one from telangana/costa/seema.

Anyway, how much percentage of jobs are being created in govt sector after 90's? Not more than 5%. And how do you think implementing 40-year old 610-GO, if it wasn't, will get Telangana compete with London and Paris overnight?

2. Krishna and Godavari are natual delta regions? River splitting and going around the mini-islands. They are highly-fertile from centuries compared to not just seema/telangana, even when compared to rest 8-districts in costa. Even prakasam,south-costa and north-costa look like somalia when compared to these 4 districts. So, please don't compare those 4 districts to anything else.

And sir, water from Sagar goes to southern Telangana, seema and costal districts. Sagar gives drinking water to all Hyderabad and most of southern Telangana. Water from Sagar reaching costa is negligible and my grandpa's fields near Ongole depend Sagar water and is entirely rainfed.


3) You give an impression that Andhra people came to Telangana with a begging bowl here. Do we need this kind of discussion here? Do you mean costa/seema people does not have a culture/railways... ? Can you explain to me with so much first-class/first-world development of Telangana by nizams, why did Telangana look pathetic in Human-indexes when they were merged?

Also can you please write your posts with less emotion and more correct references?

[vijayk]

Don't forget your burden to prove Telengana was neglected exclusively.

Check the post Ravit posted of kskumar's analysis. Also check the vundavalli video I posted a few days back.

British purchased Circar area in 1820s from Nizam. Here is a 1760 map

Check out these videos which conclusively prove that Telangana was wilfully neglected by successive Andhra CM's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkivNybmZac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKmyT...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_aZ1...eature=related


Listed also are some of the issues of grave injustice to Telangana people

1) GO 610: why was this never implemented by an govt? and systematiclly by andhra bueracrats

2) Krishna and Godavari pass through majority of telangana but no projects are constructed here Nagarujuna Sagar Dam(1970): The Dam itslef was constructed in Telagana area(in the last district of Telangana), but it supplies about 70% of the water to 3 districts in Coastal Andhra.


Telangana people NEVER wanted to join Andhra state that existed before AP and after the split of Madras Presidency. Telangana, in no uncertain manner, vehemently opposed the "Vishal Andhra" suggestion. The nine districts (at that time) of Telangana formed large enough political entity to form a separate state.

Telangana has unique culture, an independent economy that existed long before even the thought of Andhra state ever took its birth!. It had a most developed city (Hyderabad), only second to Madras or Chennai, and had an advanced civic administration. It had its own currency, its own Railway system, its own mass transit system (RTA), a renowned University and higher education system, it had its own urban housing authority (Housing Board) long before the present day's HUDA or whatever name it seems to evolve into. It was the MOST cosmopolitan society India aspires for before independence; Kannadigas, Tamilians, Marathis, Gujeratis, Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims - all living together harmoniously for the most part. No culture tried to lord over others. Its cuisine is world famous.

It is the systematic looting and exploitation, and robbery of Telangana's resources and diversion of these resources only to develop a small part of the state, and the arrogant domination of the local culture and humiliating its language, and usurping the already insufficient educational opportunities for their own benefit and denying the local their rightful share (Osmania University, professional colleges) and wholesale grabbing of reserved government jobs from clerk to collector - are the reasons for the demand.

Hmmmm ... all lived peacefully even before independence?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... ad_(India)

Persecution of Hindus

Hindus were severely repressed during under autocratic dictatorial rule of Nizam nawabs in the Hyderabad state. The Hindu majority were denied fundamental rights by Nizams of Hyderabad. Hindus were attacked as "gaddaar" (traitor) by Muslims in the state.[1] Persian was the official language up to 1893 and then Urdu up to 1948 in the Hyderabad state.[2]. Telugu language and culture were totally destroyed. Temples were either destroyed or denied any services. People were treated as slaves. During this periods, Nizams encouraged untouchability in the state. They also encouraged feudalistic land lords to own thousands of acres where as peasants and workers suffered for food.

Various industries emerged in pre-independence Hyderabad, the major industries that were established in various parts of Hyderabad/Telengana are[4] .
Industries in pre-Independence Hyderabad Company Year
Singareni Collieries 1921
Nizam Sugar Factory 1937
Allwyn Metal Works 1942
Praga Tools 1943
Sirsilk 1946
Hyderabad Asbestos 1947

How about all the public sectors started in Hyderabad after AP was formed? HMT, NRSA, BHEL, CCMB,... the list goes on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyderabad_ ... _Authority

The Hyderabad Urban Development Authority (HUDA) was created in 1975, vide an act of the State Assembly of Andhra Pradesh. Its jurisdiction was expanded in 2008 by merging it with the surrounding mandals to form the Hyderabad Metropolitan Development Authority.[1]

[ravit]

you say 50% of hyderabad revenue will be diverted. if 50% goes then how will telangana manage development? do you understand the scale of money required for infra, irrigation in telangana?

for the past 60 years in Telangana from the village, mandal to MLA and Ministers all were local leaders. no matter who formed the government, Telangana had its share of Ministers who represented telangana. are they not responsible for the under development of telangana? the same people who have done nothing for the past 15 years you expect them to work for the betterment of telangana people once new state forms?

1) I know its ridiculous amounts of money. But, with the way things are going now, some politician will pick this issue every 2-3 years and will make ruckus out of this. If we develop another competing industrial base in AP, then this ruckus will come down. Existing industries wont migrate and only new industries that might go there and its very hard.

Also vizag/vijaywada are not exactly noobs. They are class-A cities(hyd is class A-1) and have decent industries. They can be developed competingly given enough impetus.

2) Yes. But, KCR and his goons does not think so. Its all costa/seema people. kick them, destory their industries, slit their tongues... "Telangana jago and andra bago"
I am seeing too many tv-shows/blogs/videos/posts supporting this. And I don't think this paki logic will stop ever.

[vijayk]

Did little research on Irrigation projects...


Nagarjuna Sagar dam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagarjuna_Sagar_Dam

agarjuna Sagar Dam is the world's largest masonry dam built across Krishna River in Nagarjuna Sagar, Andhra Pradesh, India. It is downstream to the Nagarjuna sagar reservoir with a capacity up to 11,472 million cubic metres which is the world's largest man-made lake with a concrete wall of 6 ft. thickness. The dam is 490 ft. tall and 16 Km long with 26 gates which are 42 ft. wide and 45 ft. tall.[1]

It is one of the earliest irrigation and hydro-electric projects in India. The dam provides irrigation water to the Nalgonda District, Prakasam District, Khammam District, and Guntur District.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalgonda_District

There are two major irrigation projects in Nalgonda:

1. Nagarjuna Sagar
2. Alimineti Madhava Reddy Project (previously known as the Srisailam Left Bank Canal)

The minor irrigation projects in the district are:

1. Musi Reservoir
2. Panagal Reservoir
3. Dindi Reservoir
4. Shaligowraram Reservoir
5. Pulichintala project under construction
6. Dirshanapally Mdl Noothankal
7. Mukundapuram mdl nereducherla

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khammam_District

Irrigation

Major projects

* Nagarjunasagar Project channels

Medium Projects

* Wyra
* Thaliperu
* Bayyaram
* Bathupally
* Lankasagar
* Mukamamidi
* Pedawagu
* Palair reservoir

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warangal_district

Water supply

The Devadula lift irrigation project, the biggest (5tmc) lift irrigation project in the country, supplies the entire district with water.[citation needed]
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Kadam Project

http://www.nirmalcity.com/kadam.htm?catid=3

Kadam Project

The Kadam Project is an existing major project across river Kaddam, a tributory of Godavari near Peddur(V), Kaddam(M),Adilabad District. The project is envisaged to irrigate an ayacut of 68,000 Ac.Khariff. The Kaddam Project has been integrated with Sriramasagar Project. The reservoir being supplemented through Sriramasagar Project, Saraswathi Canal to stabilize the localized ayacut.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sriram_Sagar

The Sriram Sagar Project (Telugu: ), also known as the Pochampadu Project, is a flood-flow project on the Godavari River in India. It has been described by The Hindu as a "lifeline for a large part of Telangana".[1]

Sriramsagar is an irrigation project across river Godavari in Andhra Pradesh to serve irrigational needs in Karimnagar,Warangal and Adilabad Districts. There is Hydro-electricity generating plant working at dam site. It provides drinking water to Warangal town also.

Sri Rama Sagar Project's foundation laid by Late Jawaharlal Nehru, First Prime Minister of India. Sri Rama Sagar Project is in Nizamabad District not in Karim Nagar, 3 KM away from National Highway 7, its serving not only Karimnagar, Warangal , Adilabad district, but also Nalgonda & Khammam districts. Sri Rama Sagar Reservior capacity is 75TMCs, which is having 42 Flood Gates. Its having 3 Water canals - Kakatia Canal covering 284 km, Laxmi Canal, Sarswati Canal & Flood flow canal.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nizam_Sagar

At a distance of about 144 km north-west of Hyderabad, a reservoir known by the name Nizamsagar was constructed across the Manjira River, a tributary of the Godavari River, between Achampet and Banjapalle villages of the Nizamabad district in Andhra Pradesh, India.

This masonry dam sprawling across the river for 3 km with a fourteen feet motorable road over it. There are excellent boarding and lodging facilities nearby, for tourists.

Water from the reservoir is diverted to urban areas (meaning: Hyderabad) which does not help the ailing rural regions which could benefit if the water was diverted for irrigation purposes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joorala_project

The Joorala Project (also called the Jurala or Priyadarshini Jurala Project) is situated about 10 km from Kuravapur, Andhra Pradesh, India. The Kurvapur Kshetra River is merging with water of the Joorala Project. The project was completed in 1995.[1] The Jurala has a full reservoir level of 1045 ft and has a full capacity of 11.94 TMC.[2]

hi this jurala project in mahabub nagar built on krishna river near gadwal mandal
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medak

* Singur Dam
* Nizam Sagar

Nizam Sagar dam, 50 KM from Medak, was constructed across the Manjira River, a tributary of the Godavari River. The site is noted for its splendid scenic beauty. The most outstanding feature of the project is the gigantic masonry dam sprawling across the river for 3 km with a motor able road of 14ft width over it.

http://stockmarketing.in/news/govt-to-s ... cheme/188/

The government is planning to start work on the Pranahita-Chevella lift irrigation scheme, valued at Rs 38,500 crore. This scheme will deliver irrigation facilities in south India.

The scheme will divert 160-tmc water from river Pranahita in Adilabad to Chevella in Rangareddy and hence will provide drinking water facility to Adilabad, Karimnagar, Nizamabad, Medak, Nalgonda, Rangareddy and Warangal districts.

The project is likely to be completed in four years. It will need 3,375 Mega Watt power and 9,720 million units of energy. Hydel power plants and the coal-based power plants will provide energy for the proposed project.

[KLNMurthy]

Why don't you roll back another 100 years or so and post the map.


Also why only Telengana. How about Gulbarga and Aurangabad divisions. Shouldn't they also ask for loot? In your mind only Telenganavadis?

Why dont you do it if you have the map? after all its you who needs to prove a point. Dont ask me to look at Govt. records again.

People in Gulbarga, Bidar and Aurangabad are willfully part of the state that they want to be part of ,during linguistic division of states.

No one is asking them to join Telengana by force. Very unlike the situation in AP today.

Please check the history of Andhra Pradesh, along with maps here:
history of AP on wikipedia
Till 1753, nearly the entire AP was under Nizam. In 1753, Nizam gave away circars to the French. British got them in 1765. Sometime in the 19th century Rayalaseema districts were ceded over by Nizam to the British.