Telangana Monitor

[SwamyG]

A simple recap of our history should be timely. Let me just focus on the South India as it is current focus these days. The gist: People speaking different languages were ruled by Kings. Some times the Kings spoke a different language than the local population. Prince and Princesses wed to create political/power alliances. Kings could rule only with the help of multiple local chiefs - without their support it was impossible to govern large regions. These chiefs shifted alliances and wars were not uncommon. Dynasties came and went. Arts & Culture were patronized by the Kings. The Kings were Hindus or Jainas. Buddhism & Jainism flourished in the region. South Indian temples are testimonies for how culture is preserved with the help from the State (a.k.a King).

Linguistic States kind of arrested these constant churning - i.e people being ruled be different powers. This was one possible way for language to gain State support. India becoming secular could not support any religion "directly".

@ BRF, there has been talk of strengthening of local political/administrative bodies. I look at the past Empires having such a system. The Kings were still bound by Dharma like his subjects - unlike the modern politician {who seems to be above the Law}.

If States are going to reorganized; it is no big different from the past, but has an impact on how identities and societies will be in the future.

[ShyamSP]

Central Congress with pliant CM executed a political experiment to see what happens and how to exploit fault-line sentiment whether fault-line is right or wrong.

It seems to show:
- How to make people riot on streets within 20 days from otherwise peaceful environment.
- How to screw economic interests when a state is progressing greatly.
- How to obliterate main opposition in one part of the state by blaming the opposition instead of itself that caused the problem.
- How to expose main opposition at Centre to show they are as idiotic as it is
- How to separate from the country or a state with emotional arguments.

Thank you Central Congress for successfully screwing Andhra Pradesh which gave you Delhi seat in 2004. Enjoy your experiment's success while state burns.

[ravit]

Did little research on Irrigation projects...


Nagarjuna Sagar dam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagarjuna_Sagar_Dam

The scheme will divert 160-tmc water from river Pranahita in Adilabad to Chevella in Rangareddy and hence will provide drinking water facility to Adilabad, Karimnagar, Nizamabad, Medak, Nalgonda, Rangareddy and Warangal districts.

All the points you have posted prove my point more than yours. Don't you see any Telangana districts in the sentence you posted above?
Also, Guntur,Viyawada get water from prakasam barrage which was built during british time. Prakasam gets only drinking water from Sagar and not irrigation water. There is project for a barrage in Prakasam, for which 4 CM's laid stone. But, nothing gets really done.

[vijayk]

Did little research on Irrigation projects...


Nagarjuna Sagar dam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagarjuna_Sagar_Dam

The scheme will divert 160-tmc water from river Pranahita in Adilabad to Chevella in Rangareddy and hence will provide drinking water facility to Adilabad, Karimnagar, Nizamabad, Medak, Nalgonda, Rangareddy and Warangal districts.

All the points you have posted prove my point more than yours. Don't you see any Telangana districts in the sentence you posted above?
Also, Guntur,Viyawada get water from prakasam barrage which was built during british time. Prakasam gets only drinking water from Sagar and not irrigation water. There is project for a barrage in Prakasam, for which 4 CM's laid stone. But, nothing gets really done.

My point is not what you think.

My point was to provide facts that prove/disprove claims put forward by Telangana supporters here and all over the blogshpere. I am trying to separate facts from fiction being spread especially hatemongers such as Anuj.

No one responded to it. The only response to it was: a paste from a blog which said that Sagar project was supposed to give more water to Telangana but was manipulated by Andhras. No one can prove/disprove any such nonsense. Most of the projects have committee of state/central engineers and they come up with a project proposal based on cost/benefit ratio, environmental effects.

I have no problem with Telangana. Just another state in India. What the heck?

My concerns:

1. Let us act little maturely and get a workable solution without emotions. Telangana should not be held hostage to Hyderabad fight. One of my proposal was to divide up the revenue of Hyderabad for a period of 15-20 years between 2 states meanwhile Andhra will develop other revenue source. After all, Hyderabad is currently providing 50% of state revenues. After that, Hyderabad revenues will go 100% to Telangana state.

I know some will come up with claims on how Hyderabad was a heaven on earth before it became part of AP and the gold was flowing. But the truth is Hyderabad received a lot of funding from center because it was the capital of AP not just Telangana and Hyderabad became Cyberbad after Naidu took over and implemented his vision. Who invested and why they invested is a moot point. We need a practical solution and that is my proposal.

2. These hatemongers like KCR and foot soldiers should be reined in. We can't let a Raj Thackrey or Bal Thackrey or Shiv Sena in Hyderabad. A lot of hatemongers would love to loot, riot, or kill and you can see that hatred even in the forum. This is how Hitlers, Thackerys do business. KCR and his followers here are on the same path. When your heart and mind are filled with complete hatred, even soothing words sound condescending, belittling, sarcastic or outright threatening to Anujs of the world.

[shravan]

We can't let a Raj Thackrey or Bal Thackrey or Shiv Sena in Hyderabad.

This is how Hitlers, Thackerys do business.

Show your anger on KCR, there is nothing to compare between Thackeray & KCR. Thackeray's are not kicking their own people like KCR for power....

[vijayk]

This is called manufacturing hatred, Paki style !

No. Paki's don't don't back there sources and display a sense of superiority in each one of there discussion. This is totally opposite. Telangana's are the inferior one's here. Ask the oppressors, they'll tell you.

The dude forget to add Nazi- Jew comparision

That's how you counter that claim. Very intellectual BRite might i add.

Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy is not from coastal Andhra.He is from Rayalaseema, the region which is even more backward than Telangana. There goes the Andhra domination argument !

Do not equal-equal this. You are in bed with rayalaseema, didn't you know?

That was unwarranted and deeply offensive.

Oh i forgot it sounds very cruel in hindi. I'll quote it in it's original. Every dog has it's day
Fine?

If the Telangana wants to seperate, it can only be done with rational arguments

The arguments are already there.
Just to the people of andhra, they sound like hate and discrimination (Should i wonder why?)
And that is what you'll have to live with.

Attitudes like this will not solve any problems but only increase hatred.

NO
Words like UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL take attention away from the real tensions and create hatred. Words like SAMAIKYA ANDHRA take further attention from the real tensions and arguments and create hatred. Organizing mass rallies in seema/coastal without telangana being a part of it while while raising slogans of united andhra create hatred. seema and coastal teaming up and using there democratic advantage against telangana creates hatred. Calling the telangana movement a political ploy creates hatred. All non-telangana politicians doing a flipflop over there stand on telangana creates hatred.

We can talk about hatred all day. Condescend me brother. To calm me. To numb me and purge me now of these thoughts of blaming you.

Let me get this straight:

UNITE WE STAND slogan creates hatred for you. SAMIAKYA ANDHRA slogan creates hatred for you. Rallies in support of their desires creates hatred for you. So if anyone expresses a thought against your opinion, it creates a hatred for you.

ANDHRA BAGO, TELANGANA JAGO should bring feelings of love.
Attacking and burning property of any one from Andhra or who supports it should bring feeling of love.
We will slit your throats should bring in feeling of love.

I get it now. You are the real oppressed.

I am sure you would love talk about hatred all day. Looks like you have an advanced degree in that.

[bahdada]

^^^Touche. These so called agitators are so Paki-like its amazing. Their online kin are at least a lil bit hilarious when you derail their logic trains.

[RamaY]

One TV Channel is showing this song with scenes of whole Telangana agitation. It is very apt and applies to Sonia, KCR, PC, Rosaiah, Lagadapati, CBN, Chiranjeevi, BJP – everyone is doing their part to burn the state.

Ekkado Doorana Koorchunnavu {You sit somewhere far away}
Ikkadi Maa talaratalu raastunnavu {writing our fates here}
Chitramaina garadi chestunnavu, tamasha choostunnavu {performing strange feats, enjoying our struggle}

Leniponi bhramalennno kaligistavu {you create many hopes for us}
Mammu tolubommalanu chesi adistavu {you play us like we are puppets}
Antaa maa sontamani anipistaavu {make us believing that everything is ours}
Anatalone moodu naalla muchatagaa, chesestaavu {and before we settle in, you snatch everything back from us}


Kallu terichi nijam telise loga, maaya teralu kappestaavu {By the time we try to find the truth, you cover them by throwing new illusions at it}

Telangana agitators took their agitation to next level. They are building road blocks, building walls on bridges.. it is getting very ugly. Either the Govt give Telangana or brutally suppress this law-and-order situation. The more nonsense one side creates, it will give the other side the justification to do the same.

Very strange things are happening in Andhra Pradesh now! Like I said earlier, let us hope some Amrita comes out of this Andhra-sagara Madhana {Churning of Andhra Ocean}

[anuj]

UNITE WE STAND slogan creates hatred for you.

Yes, that line has become a cliche and only used to keep telangana in andhra's grips. A cheap line to gather pity.

SAMIAKYA ANDHRA slogan creates hatred for you.

Consider this scenario.
Mr. A likes apples but hates and refuses to eat oranges. Mr. B and Mr. C do not like the fact that Mr. A doesn't eat oranges. So Mr. B and Mr. C pick up a gun and put it to there own head and threaten Mr. D, Mr. E, Mr. F and others, that if Mr. A doesn't start eating oranges, they will pull the trigger.

You know what happens next?
Mr. D,E,F and others form a band and force feed Mr. A with oranges. That is what SAMIAKYA ANDHRA is to telangana.

Rallies in support of their desires creates hatred for you.

What rights do Mr. B and C have on Mr. A anyway? That's not a desire. That's an obsession to make Mr. A do what you want him to do - Desires of Mr. A not withstanding.

So if anyone expresses a thought against your opinion, it creates a hatred for you.

The world is not your personal property. The people of telanagana and telangana are not your property. You do not own them. You don't order them around. You don't force yourself onto them. However, the house you own is your property. You do whatever you want with that property because it's your property. You cannot order the owner of property XYZ to sell his property to you just because you felt like buying it or if you had a thought or an opinion.

ANDHRA BAGO, TELANGANA JAGO should bring feelings of love.

What do you do when your ex-boyfriend keeps stalking you and calls you in the night and leaves condescending messages? You approach the NCW or the court or the police and put a restraining order on him.

Attacking and burning property of any one from Andhra or who supports it should bring feeling of love.

No one wants it to get dirty. But who was responsible for it to come to this stage? Who refused to let it go? Who cried foul when the relationship ended? Who went to the parents? Who went to the police and bribed them? Who force fed Mr. A without his consent?

I get it now. You are the real oppressed.

Quite the opposite.

[anuj]

^^^Touche. These so called agitators are so Paki-like its amazing. Their online kin are at least a lil bit hilarious when you derail their logic trains.

Funny, the people of telangana are more aware of there identity than the coastals with there dual identities if you know what i mean. Who's pretending to be one of the dharma's and who's the one following the dharma's?

Hehe "Paki", give a GD break. The nizams didn't manage to shove it down our throats and now the children of gods son think they can diktat us and call us pakis.

[Hari Seldon]

INC has perfected the art of running with the hare and hunting with the hounds all at the same time. Said policy has paid rich dividends to TSP as one can see.

No going back on new state, Cong tells pro-Telangana party MPs

Amid mounting pressure from its pro-Telangana section, Congress on Thursday said there will be no going back on its decision to carve out separate state from Andhra Pradesh.

The assurance was given by Ahmed Patel, Political Secretary to Congress President Sonia Gandhi, to a delegation of unhappy pro-Telangana party MPs which met him to press that the commitment to form a separate state should not be diluted, according to one of the delegation members Madhu Goud Yaskhi.

The 11 MPs, who met Patel hours after submitting their resignations, briefed him on the situation in Andhra Pradesh and insisted on a fresh statement expressing government's commitment to Telangana as last night's announcement had caused "doubts".

Patel "assured us that there will be no deviation on party's stand on Telangana and there is no going back," Yaskhi told reporters after the meeting.

The delegation contended that the ambiguity needs to be removed and Patel responded by saying that steps would be taken in this direction.

The Congress MPs are unhappy that Wednesday's statement by Home Minister P Chidambaram did not mention that the government remains committed to Telangana statehood.

They want the government to issue a new statement, which would say that the government will hold consultations and proceed on forming Telangana, sources said.

Not one telugu in the union cabinet who could have spoken up for AP in the union cabinet. Not one. From a state that sent the UPA its highest number of MPs. TN got rewarded with the MHA, K'taka with the MEA and WB with FinMin. What did the telugus get?? And what little influence we may have had in Dilli will now be further eroded as we busily divide ourselves. Jai Ho indeed.

[SwamyG]

Folks, stop calling fellow BRFites (and Indians) as Paki-like, acting like Pakis ithiyadi. Just increases the bad blood. Can't you see the moderators waiting to do the last rites for this thread?

[vijayk]

UNITE WE STAND slogan creates hatred for you.

Yes, that line has become a cliche and only used to keep telangana in andhra's grips. A cheap line to gather pity.

More nonsense... Get a grip man!

SAMIAKYA ANDHRA slogan creates hatred for you.

Consider this scenario.
Mr. A likes apples but hates and refuses to eat oranges. Mr. B and Mr. C do not like the fact that Mr. A doesn't eat oranges. So Mr. B and Mr. C pick up a gun and put it to there own head and threaten Mr. D, Mr. E, Mr. F and others, that if Mr. A doesn't start eating oranges, they will pull the trigger.

You know what happens next?
Mr. D,E,F and others form a band and force feed Mr. A with oranges. That is what SAMIAKYA ANDHRA is to telangana.

Huh?

The only thing I can say is Oranges are good for you and your BP. I suggest you to eat oranges

The only threats I saw are from Telangana goon gang like you: slit throats, cut tongue, Hyderabad bagho, we will vacate Andhras...

Rallies in support of their desires creates hatred for you.

What rights do Mr. B and C have on Mr. A anyway? That's not a desire. That's an obsession to make Mr. A do what you want him to do - Desires of Mr. A not withstanding.

Free country. Free expression.

I know one thing. If people like you take over Telangana, fundamental rights will be at stake.

So if anyone expresses a thought against your opinion, it creates a hatred for you.

The world is not your personal property. The people of telanagana and telangana are not your property. You do not own them. You don't order them around. You don't force yourself onto them. However, the house you own is your property. You do whatever you want with that property because it's your property. You cannot order the owner of property XYZ to sell his property to you just because you felt like buying it or if you had a thought or an opinion.

More BS... It never stops coming from your mouth and key board.

India is not your property. India is for Indians. You don't own Telangana or Hyderabad. I don't own Andhra or Hyderabad or Mubai. Thackrey and his goons don't own Mumbai. Every place in India is every ones. We have MLAs/MPs/ZP/Mandals to manage our affairs.

The only sh1theads who are barging into others' properties and breaking things are Telangana activists and goons.

ANDHRA BAGO, TELANGANA JAGO should bring feelings of love.

What do you do when your ex-boyfriend keeps stalking you and calls you in the night and leaves condescending messages? You approach the NCW or the court or the police and put a restraining order on him.

I have one suggestion for you. You need help.

Attacking and burning property of any one from Andhra or who supports it should bring feeling of love.

No one wants it to get dirty. But who was responsible for it to come to this stage? Who refused to let it go? Who cried foul when the relationship ended? Who went to the parents? Who went to the police and bribed them? Who force fed Mr. A without his consent?

I definitely understand. When you go to someone's house burn it down and kill them, it is all their fault.

Which College did you go? Nazi College of Arts and Culture?

I get it now. You are the real oppressed.

Quite the opposite.

We can all see that.

[archan]

There have been a couple of reports on this thread. I see people are calling other BRFites pakis and whatnot. No matter how heated the debate is, don't go there. Also, I am not warning anyone because this is a time when the discussion will be a bit heated - so let us give it that much space. But guys please self moderate your comments.

[goutham]

Being a Telanganite and someone who is for Telangana, I condemn the violence going in Hyderabad and burning of public property. I also aknowledge the contributions of people/leaders from Andhra and Seema for the development of Hyderabad. Not doing so would be totally unfair

This doesnt mean there werent injustices done to the rest of the Telangana region. I understand that Hyderabad is the main point of contention for the seperation of AP. Folks from Andhra do not care about rest of Telangana anyway. After all that has happened it is clear that we cannot be together anymore

An amicable seperation where Hyderabad can be shared as capital along with some sort of revenue sharing from Hyderabad for a reasonable time frame, where they can build their future capital should satisfy people both the regions.

[goutham]

Let me get this straight:

UNITE WE STAND slogan creates hatred for you. SAMIAKYA ANDHRA slogan creates hatred for you. Rallies in support of their desires creates hatred for you. So if anyone expresses a thought against your opinion, it creates a hatred for you.

ANDHRA BAGO, TELANGANA JAGO should bring feelings of love.
Attacking and burning property of any one from Andhra or who supports it should bring feeling of love.
We will slit your throats should bring in feeling of love.

I get it now. You are the real oppressed.

I am sure you would love talk about hatred all day. Looks like you have an advanced degree in that.

Samaikya Andhra movement and money and political powere behind it denies people from Telangana right to demand their
own state. It does create HATRED because you have business and political barons with interests in Hyderabad going against what people in Telangana perceive to be injustices done to them in the last half century.

You cant hold people in Telangana to ransom when they want to seperate. If Hyderabad is the point of contention then there should discussions on some sort of revenue or capital sharing.

[ravit]

My point is not what you think.

Wait. I got you and goutham mixed up and though I was replying to goutham.

[ShyamSP]

TRS person caught attacking Top Telengana TDP leader. Earlier people thought it was only students attacked him.

Congress-TRS want to take Telengana political space. When all TDP MLAs and MPs resigned, they couldn't take it and are attacking TDP leaders.

[ravit]

anuj and goutham. Since you are taking stand that Telangana was done injustice, resource-deprivation and that it is backward,

Can you prove that Telangana is backward region in Andhra-Pradesh? With numbers, again numbers or statistics and not emotional outbursts.

Here, I have some graphs and statistics to show that all regions and districts in AP are equally developed.I am trying to compare development indices in all 23 districts of AndhraPradesh and see whether this is true or not. I got all the data here from aponline.gov.in website.

http://ryamyam.blogspot.com/2009/12/tel ... adesh.html

PS: Bear with me with this rather big image.

[anuj]

More nonsense... Get a grip man!

I replied that UNITED ANDHRA is a cliche argument among the telanganite's and you counter that argument with More nonsense... Get a grip man!. Do you even have a point to argue about?

Huh? The only thing I can say is Oranges are good for you and your BP.

I know. You do not have a counter argument for the various claims made by telangana other than labeling them racist, selfish, discriminatory and several other adjectives in the book. But seriously, what is there to say? I systematically deprived telangana for 60 years!! So what? We speak the same language!! We should stay together!! Telangana is selfish!! They want to divide india!! They are pakis!! Samaikya andhra!!

I know one thing. If people like you take over Telangana, fundamental rights will be at stake.

That's it baby. let it out. Condescend me. There are people from other states on this forum but there's no need to pretend. Be yourself.

More BS... It never stops coming from your mouth and key board.

Nonsense. BS. Oranges are good. That's all you can say? This is the intellectual discussion that goes on in BRF? That's how you counter claims? That's how you spend your 130 post counts on?

India is not your property. India is for Indians. You don't own Telangana or Hyderabad. I don't own Andhra or Hyderabad or Mubai. Thackrey and his goons don't own Mumbai. Every place in India is every ones. We have MLAs/MPs/ZP/Mandals to manage our affairs.
Your a very ignorant

Your an idiot. Get this straight buddy. India was formed from several princely states. They joined several regions and carved out states. Karnataka belongs to kannada people. Maharashtra belongs to marathi people. Tamil nadu belongs to tamil people. It is unwritten rule but that rule is still there. It is people like you who when cornered, blunt out the infamous line INDIA BELONGS TO INDIANS and piss off people. In an effort to score your personal goals you use that line and you jeopardize your entire ethnicity future relationship with other states. Those who don't have respect for other people borders deserve no respect.

The only sh1theads who are barging into others' properties and breaking things are Telangana activists and goons.

Ok. Im not going anywhere. If you ACTUALLY have something to say they lay it out for me. Im tired of you using these foolish adjectives to gain pity and manufacture whatever consent you want to.

I have one suggestion for you. You need help.

1) Shut up
2) Learn how to discuss and argue
3) Come back here and ping me when your done

Your just a rookie. You've never engaged in an argument EVER.

I definitely understand. When you go to someone's house burn it down and kill them, it is all their fault.

Get lost drama queen

Which College did you go? Nazi College of Arts and Culture?

I feel like im arguing with forrest gump.

We can all see that.

Zzz...

[milindc]

^^^Touche. These so called agitators are so Paki-like its amazing. Their online kin are at least a lil bit hilarious when you derail their logic trains.

Funny, the people of telangana are more aware of there identity than the coastals with there dual identities if you know what i mean. Who's pretending to be one of the dharma's and who's the one following the dharma's?

Hehe "Paki", give a GD break. The nizams didn't manage to shove it down our throats and now the children of gods son think they can diktat us and call us pakis.

Anuj,

Your thoughts on why TRS won only 10 out of 45 seats contested. I guess the stated aim of the party was separate Telangana. Why did they not get the mandate?

[anuj]

Your thoughts on why TRS won only 10 out of 45 seats contested. I guess the stated aim of the party was separate Telangana. Why did they not get the mandate?

I tired of answering this question. It needs more than a sentence or two to explain that. Though, I got back up.

Didn’t TRS lose elections in 2009 clearly indicating there is no support for separate Telangana?
Andhra people and Telangana people have diametrically opposite views on how to interpret the verdict of the elections results.

In 2004, TRS contested elections on single point agenda – to secure separate Telangana. They didn’t talk about development, they didn’t talk about caste, they didn’t talk about religion, or any other incentives. So, if someone voted for TRS in Telangana, he did so because he wanted a separate Telangana. Congress formed an alliance with TRS promising Telangana if they come to power in the center. So, it was clear. If you were voting for TRS or Congress in Telangana, you wanted Telangana.

In those elections, TRS-Congress won a clear mandate from the people thereby establishing clearly the mood of Telangana people. They want a separate state.

After the elections, Congress came into power in center and in the state. Naturally, people of Telangana expected Congress to fulfill the promise. It did not. That left TRS was in a lurch. They didn’t have enough muscle power to pull it off on their own. They floundered and did all kinds of gimmicks. Telangana people got disillusioned with TRS/KCR who didn’t deliver on his promises.

In 2009 elections, every political party promised Telangana. TDP, Congress, Communists, Prajarajyam, and host others, along with TRS. That means if you wanted Telangana, you could vote any party this time. TRS lost its vote bank to other parties who promised the same dream.

Now, Andhra people read this as a clear rejection of Telangana sentiment because TRS lost, whereas Telangana people see it as a clear affirmation of Telangana sentiment because every party which won had endorsed a new state. According to Telangana people, Telangana sentiment is now endorsed by every party making it universal and stronger, whereas Andhra people think of it as dilution.

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[goutham]

anuj and goutham. Since you are taking stand that Telangana was done injustice, resource-deprivation and that it is backward,

Can you prove that Telangana is backward region in Andhra-Pradesh? With numbers, again numbers or statistics and not emotional outbursts.

Here, I have some graphs and statistics to show that all regions and districts in AP are equally developed.I am trying to compare development indices in all 23 districts of AndhraPradesh and see whether this is true or not. I got all the data here from aponline.gov.in website.

http://ryamyam.blogspot.com/2009/12/tel ... adesh.html

PS: Bear with me with this rather big image.

http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/stor ... umeA==&SEO

FIFTY years of AP’s history shows that the economic development process has marginalized the Telangana region of the State. Before the merger with Andhra State, Telangana, which was part of the Hyderabad State, was doing well in terms of agricultural and industrial development.


But the process of development has been disrupted, ironically, by the policies pursued by the successive governments of Andhra Pradesh, formed with the merger of Telangana and Andhra State.

The irrigation policies illustrate the discrimination against Telangana. The governments in AP gave high priority to irrigation in the five-year plans and Rs 12,104 crore was spent on it between 1956 and 2002. This constitutes nearly 25 per cent of the total plan outlay from the II Plan to IX Plan. As a consequence net irrigated area increased from 27.47 lakh hectares to 55 lakh hectares between 1955-56 and 2001-02. A lion’s share, 90 per cent, in the public expenditure on irrigation was allocated for major and medium irrigation and minor irrigation received only 10 per cent of the allocation. This policy has resulted in the decline of the minor irrigation particularly tank irrigation and consequently the net area under tank irrigation declined from 10.68 lakh hectares to 5.67 lakh hectares between 1955-56 and 2001-02. In contrast the net area irrigated by canals has gone up from 12.92 lakh hectares to 15 lakh hectares between 1955- 56 and 2001-2002. The deterioration of the tank irrigation system has an adverse affect on Telangana more than the other regions because tanks have been the backbone of Telangana agriculture. Further, the loss of the area under the tank irrigation has not been compensated by allocation of river waters.


http://www.hindu.com/2009/12/17/stories ... 660600.htm

Bias alleged in allocation of funds to Telangana


KARIMNAGAR: In spite of the protests for formation of separate Telangana State following its betrayal on all fronts, the State government has freshly allocated major share of funds to the Andhra region neglecting the Telangana region under the Nabard RIDF-XV programme.

Talking to newsmen here on Wednesday evening, Karimnagar MLA Gangula Kamalakar said that the government had again betrayed the backward Telangana region in the allocation of funds for the development of rural areas.

He said that the State government had issued GO Rt No 1845 dated December 11, 2009, allocating a whopping 103.53 crore to the Andhra region for taking up 94 works such as laying of roads and construction of bridges.

Region neglected


On the other hand, the Rayalaseema region was allocated Rs. 16.77 crore for taking up 15 works and the backward Telangana region was allocated only Rs. 9.31 crore for taking up of only eight works.
The Telangana region with 10 districts was neglected in the allocation of funds, he alleged.

Expressing concern over the discrimination of the region in spite of a series of agitations demanding its legitimate rights, the legislator faulted the government for poor allocations for taking up developmental works such as laying of roads and construction of bridges.

“Is this the development of Telangana region”? In spite of protests in entire Telangana region demanding separate statehood, the government had allocated meagre funds for the development of the region. “This is the reason we are demanding separate Telangana State,” he said.



In fact the benefits of major irrigation have gone to coastal Andhra. In 2003-04, 6.93 lakh hectares of area irrigated under canals was located in four coastal districts of the State - East Godavari, West Godavari, Krishna and Guntur.

The corresponding figure for 2004-05 is 8.34 lakh hectares.

Nearly 60 per cent of the net area irrigated under canals is located in these four districts and the balance 40 per cent is shared by the other 18 districts. For example in the nine Telangana districts the area irrigated under canals in 2003- 04 was 1.36 lakh hectares which fell to 1.16 lakh hectares in 2004-05. Even under Jalayagnam the discrimination continues, 26 projects are contemplated under the Jalayagnam to irrigate 59 lakh hectares of which 43 lakh hectares will be in Andhra region and only 16 lakh hectares in Telangana.

Almost all the projects being taken up in Telangana are lift irrigation schemes under which only drip and sprinkler irrigation is permitted, according to the latest policies of the Government. Under drip and sprinkler irrigation the farmers will have to invest heavy amounts to get the benefits of irrigation.

The neglect of irrigation in Telangana has forced the farmers in the region to rely more on well irrigation. The area irrigated by wells has gone from 2.34 lakh hectares to 19 lakh hectares between 1955-56 and 1999-2000 in the State. In Telangana the area under well irrigation went up from 9.44 lakh hectares in 2003-04 to 9.95 lakh hectares in 2004-05. (See “An Outline of Agricultural Situation in AP 2004-05”).

For each acre of land irrigated by surface irrigation 2.38 acres is irrigated by ground water in Rayalaseema and in Telangana the corresponding figure is 2.75 acres. Whereas in coastal districts only 0.28 acres is irrigated under wells for every acre irrigated by canals. (S. Subrahmanyam, 2002).

The heavy dependence on ground water has resulted in fall in the ground water table in Telangana as a consequence the traditional dug wells have dried up. Farmers have shifted to deep bore wells, which require energised motors, to draw water. As a result dependence on electricity has increased in the Telangana districts. All these has forced the farmers to invest huge amounts, from agriculture surpluses, to secure irrigation facilities leading to a major crisis in the agrarian economy of the region.

At the time of merger of Telangana with Andhra State certain safeguards were guaranteed to Telangana through a Gentlemen’s Agreement. As per the agreement Telangana resources have to be utilized for the development of the region in accordance with the plans prepared by the representatives of the region. If the agreement were to be seriously implemented all the schemes proposed by the Hyderabad Government too would have been constructed to divert nearly 1,000 tmcs of Krishna and Godavari water to irrigate the fields in the region. Today, on record, Telangana gets a mere 277 tmc of water, which is far less in reality. If the Jalyagnam is implemented Telangana will lose its share in the river water permanently. The same situation prevails in the other sector too.

Telangana is thus marginalized and converted into an internal colony as a result of economic development process pursued by the successive governments. Its resources are diverted and utilized for the development of other regions.

The movement for separate statehood articulates the demand for a fair share in the resources.

[ravit]

In fact the benefits of major irrigation have gone to coastal Andhra. In 2003-04, 6.93 lakh hectares of area irrigated under canals was located in four coastal districts of the State - East Godavari, West Godavari, Krishna and Guntur.

A biased DDM'ite writes sth in indian-express with a spin and it is true? Again comparing 4-delta regions to anything else is ridiculous and hypocrisy at best. Even then, following is percentage of "Gross irrigated area as % of gross cropped area". Warangal, Karimnagar and Nizamabad beat pertty much every other district in Costa(excluding golden-4). Seema is absolute bottom.



item adilabad hyderabad karimnagar khammam mahboobnagar medak nalgonda nizambad rangareddy warangal ananthapur chittoor cuddapah kurnool eastgodavari guntur krishna nellore prakasam srikakulam visakhapatnam vizianagaram westgodavari
Gross irrigated area as % of gross cropped area 9.89 0 65.27 39.41 23.82 29.48 0 63.06 25.26 52.02 16.91 43.51 40.2 20.93 60.98 44.31 62 84.76 36.36 46.02 35.77 35.15 86.52



Give statistics for all 23 states and compare them. Also exclude those 4 delta districts in comparison. Don't paste complete posts/articles and post whatever you think is relevant.

Anyone know where do I get district-wise statistics for all census from 1951? Historical graphs will give better picture of this.

[RamaY]

One good side of 24x7 TV channels is this -

Few people physically attacked a TDP leader (Nagam) and they were caught on live TV. Now the police can take appropriate action against them.

I hope the same happens to everyone who burned a RTC bus and other private parties, on both sides of the problem.

It is high time law & order is implemented impartially. Once the rowdy-elements are removed from both sides, the true feelings will come out.

If the common man wants separate state, it will not cost more thant 100 crore to conduct a referendum across the state. My proposal is that the referendum must have 90% support in Telangana and 50% support from Andhra/Rayalaseema to pass. This agitation already cost hundreds of crores already and there is no point extending this nonsense.

[anuj]

A biased DDM'ite writes sth in indian-express with a spin and it is true?

And the results you posted from the AP govt. sites... Do you think there true? After all ,they were created by the same helms of people who discriminated everything based on regions. It could very well be "window dressed" as far as i can tell. And i don't trust any figures posted by people belonging to the centre AP congress.

[goutham]

One good side of 24x7 TV channels is this -

Few people physically attacked a TDP leader (Nagam) and they were caught on live TV. Now the police can take appropriate action against them.

I hope the same happens to everyone who burned a RTC bus and other private parties, on both sides of the problem.

It is high time law & order is implemented impartially. Once the rowdy-elements are removed from both sides, the true feelings will come out.

If the common man wants separate state, it will not cost more thant 100 crore to conduct a referendum across the state. My proposal is that the referendum must have 90% support in Telangana and 50% support from Andhra/Rayalaseema to pass. This agitation already cost hundreds of crores already and there is no point extending this nonsense.

Why should Andhra people have a say in formation in Telangana, Utterly ridiculous . What stake do Andhrites have in Telangana?

The question of Hyderabad can cetainly be discussed and options explored for a resolution

Why does it need 90% support in Telenagana, Does any referendum in the world so far ever require this?

[anuj]

My proposal is that the referendum must have 90% support in Telangana and 50% support from Andhra/Rayalaseema to pass.

Your proposal will never pick up. Do you think they could get even 5% from seema/coastal?

Just like the song you posted...

Anatalone moodu naalla muchatagaa, chesestaavu {and before we settle in, you snatch everything back from us}
Kallu terichi nijam telise loga, maaya teralu kappestaavu {By the time we try to find the truth, you cover them by throwing new illusions at it}

Don't you think telangana is little tired of this game. Cause after all, you played the same game for 60 years.

The main attraction - distraction
Got you number than number than numb

[goutham]

In fact the benefits of major irrigation have gone to coastal Andhra. In 2003-04, 6.93 lakh hectares of area irrigated under canals was located in four coastal districts of the State - East Godavari, West Godavari, Krishna and Guntur.

A biased DDM'ite writes sth in indian-express with a spin and it is true? Again comparing 4-delta regions to anything else is ridiculous. Even then, following is percentage of "Gross irrigated area as % of gross cropped area". Warangal, Karimnagar and Nizamabad beat pertty much every other district in Costa(excluding golden-4). Seema is absolute bottom.



item adilabad hyderabad karimnagar khammam mahboobnagar medak nalgonda nizambad rangareddy warangal ananthapur chittoor cuddapah kurnool eastgodavari guntur krishna nellore prakasam srikakulam visakhapatnam vizianagaram westgodavari
Gross irrigated area as % of gross cropped area 9.89 0 65.27 39.41 23.82 29.48 0 63.06 25.26 52.02 16.91 43.51 40.2 20.93 60.98 44.31 62 84.76 36.36 46.02 35.77 35.15 86.52



Give statistics for all 23 states and compare them. Also exclude those 4 delta districts in comparison. Don't post complete posts and post whatever you think is relevant.

Anyone know where do I get district-wise statistics for all census from 1951? Historical graphs will give better picture of this.

Add up all the figures from Andhra and compare it with those from Telangana and you will see why Telanganites fee discriminated against.

Indian Express is a neutral newspaper in this dispute and you dont beleive their stats? What better options to do you needs in terms of reporting Saakshi ?

[RamaY]

Why should Andhra people have a say in formation in Telangana, Utterly ridiculous . What stake to Andhrites have in Telangana?

The question of Hyderabad can cetainly be discussed and options explored for a resolution

Why does it need 90% support in Telenagana, Does any referendum in the world so far ever require this?

Not to do an equal-equal, but curious to know your views.

What is your stand on Kashmir vally separatism? Should India have a say?

[ravit]

Why should Andhra people have a say in formation in Telangana, Utterly ridiculous . What stake to Andhrites have in Telangana?

Because they get affected if you split their state and take hyd away and thus try to reduce them to slave working for you and pay taxes for you and still huddle abuses at them day and night without giving any proof to the "thing" that you are being abuse and still abusing them day-night and smashing all their properties, sliting their toungues.

If all you want is Telangana, leave Hyd to Costa/Seema and leave out. No one would stop you then I guess.

Also just because you feel that you need Telangana you won't get it. You have to first prove that you are being abuse by Costa/Seema people and atlesst some optimistic hope that after split you would get more from the same politicians who apparantly did nothing to you in last 50 years.

[RamaY]

My proposal is that the referendum must have 90% support in Telangana and 50% support from Andhra/Rayalaseema to pass.

Your proposal will never pick up. Do you think they could get even 5% from seema/coastal?

Just like the song you posted...

Anatalone moodu naalla muchatagaa, chesestaavu {and before we settle in, you snatch everything back from us}
Kallu terichi nijam telise loga, maaya teralu kappestaavu {By the time we try to find the truth, you cover them by throwing new illusions at it}

Don't you think telangana is little tired of this game. Cause after all, you played the same game for 60 years.

I have no preference w.r.t Telangana. I support a separate Telangana if it helps the people living there.

You will be surprised to see the results, if and when the referendum is held. Telangana will have the same problems as current AP state if the referendum requires only 50% votes in Telangana region and Costa/Rayalaseema has no say in it. Think about the situation 30-40 years down the line.

You already have some people talking about separate Hyderabad. Imagine a Telangana state where ~40% people are opposed to it.

[RamaY]

A biased DDM'ite writes sth in indian-express with a spin and it is true?

And the results you posted from the AP govt. sites... Do you think there true? After all ,they were created by the same helms of people who discriminated everything based on regions. It could very well be "window dressed" as far as i can tell. And i don't trust any figures posted by people belonging to the centre AP congress.

Are you serious

[ravit]

A biased DDM'ite writes sth in indian-express with a spin and it is true?

And the results you posted from the AP govt. sites... Do you think there true? After all ,they were created by the same helms of people who discriminated everything based on regions. It could very well be "window dressed" as far as i can tell. And i don't trust any figures posted by people belonging to the centre AP congress.

Dude they are from the census records. If you don't believe that, then no one can help you and you are 100% eligible to be screwed by KCR. What other statistics do you want to believe then? KCR abuse stats?

[Venkarl]

India is not your property. India is for Indians. You don't own Telangana or Hyderabad. I don't own Andhra or Hyderabad or Mubai. Thackrey and his goons don't own Mumbai. Every place in India is every ones. We have MLAs/MPs/ZP/Mandals to manage our affairs.
Your a very ignorant

Your an idiot. Get this straight buddy. India was formed from several princely states. They joined several regions and carved out states. Karnataka belongs to kannada people. Maharashtra belongs to marathi people. Tamil nadu belongs to tamil people. It is unwritten rule but that rule is still there. It is people like you who when cornered, blunt out the infamous line INDIA BELONGS TO INDIANS and piss off people. In an effort to score your personal goals you use that line and you jeopardize your entire ethnicity future relationship with other states. Those who don't have respect for other people borders deserve no respect.

Princely States??? So what???..what are you suggesting here??...Indian Subcontinent during the freedom struggle was a mix of 11 British Provinces, 552 princely states and 4 other chief commissioner areas. All have joined together forming the Indian Union of today starting from 1947 to latter years.
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Anything against the highlighted part is unconstitutional and will invite prosecution...written or unwritten...be it on blogs or brains. If you have a problem with folks who don't talk facts, you have option of ignoring them.

Like Ravit has said, lets put down the facts and figures and do some responsible analysis instead of war of words..leave it.

Some pages back, Dasari attempted to do some analysis with facts...but emotions diverted the whole efforts...lets put our emotions aside..and if somebody is poking around...admins should take care of them...so...lets have all the data and have them consolidated first

The following link is the spreadsheet with data from 2001-02 of district developments in Andhra Pradesh on the lines of Agricultural, Infrastructural and Socio-economic factors. We can add more like Industrial..and anybody can edit it but with sources.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key= ... hY0E&hl=en

I am not good at consolidating data...may be gurus can help us here.

fighting with our own people will only make the dream of some Chinese come true....so lets calm down and do piece by piece analysis...

[goutham]

Not to do an equal-equal, but curious to know your views.

What is your stand on Kashmir vally separatism? Should India have a say?

You are implicitly doing an equal - equal. We are demanding a separate state and not a seperate country.

Did Tamilnadu give approval for separation of Andhra from Madras Presidency? How ridiculous would it sound to you if some one said 50% of Tamilnadu would have to give approval for seperation of Andhra?

Even if India were to goto UN and say the seperation of Kashmir requires more than 50% of vote in all of India, Woudnt the whole world laugh at us?

[RamaY]

Anuj,

An honest question.

Telangana politicians didn’t care about the inconvenience caused to the locals and economy in their Bandh yesterday. But they are cancelling the Bandh as a consolation to our Christian brothers.

I am not against this consolatory gesture towards Xmas. What about other commons? If a Bandh is declared as a protest against AP exploitation and UPA’s decision, then why can’t Telangana Christians extend their support to the Bandh?

Would like to know your opinion.

[RamaY]

Not to do an equal-equal, but curious to know your views.

What is your stand on Kashmir vally separatism? Should India have a say?

You are implicitly doing an equal - equal. We are demanding a separate state and not a seperate country.

Did Tamilnadu give approval for separation of Andhra from Madras Presidency? How ridiculous would it sound to you if some one said 50% of Tamilnadu would have to give approval for seperation of Andhra?

Even if India were to goto UN and say the seperation of Kashmir requires more than 50% of vote in all of India, Woudnt the whole world laugh at us?

I don't know. What do you think the world would do?

And do you think India should care about the world when it is losing JK for separatism?

[anuj]

Are you serious

Damn serious. You want me to consider a bunch of figures that were prepared and put together by the same people who are opposing the formation of telangana today.

Do you think Mr. A who practice's discrimination in fund allocation, developmental works etc etc would sit down and actually write a f%^king report about it? Are YOU serious?

[ShyamSP]

Why should Andhra people have a say in formation in Telangana, Utterly ridiculous . What stake to Andhrites have in Telangana?

The question of Hyderabad can cetainly be discussed and options explored for a resolution

Why does it need 90% support in Telenagana, Does any referendum in the world so far ever require this?

That is because Telengana joined rest of AP by passing resolution in then Hyderabad state. Now when you want to break up other party needs to agree.

You had your choice not to join Andhra state in 50s. You had choice to split during Jai Andhra (i.e Kosta wanted seperate state) in early 70s.

There has to be peaceful settlement with everyone agreeing to it. Do you think by creating violence, attacking properties/businesses/people, you'll achieve Telengana.

If GOI wants to create one, they will have to pay compensation for other areas. Imagine opportunity cost they have to pay for loss of Kurnool as capitol city.
Rayalseema people are already asking for $500 billion as package for the region in case split. They will also have to make sure they get water rights correctly to avoid water fights in the future.

I'm not even getting into what those Kosta people my ask. If GOI has to pay they go bankrupt and do you think other states agree to draining that much money.

Telengana can have their own state but they have to pay for it. As a bonus, you would also get volatile KCR as you CM after all he is okay to not to have high-tech city and rule like Nizam with Charminar, Falaknama, Salarjung musuems (his wish not mine)