Telangana Monitor

KrishG · Post by **KrishG** » 25 Dec 2009 02:41

Just out of curiosity, can somebody please point out any major cultural, linguistical between the people of Telangana and coastal Andhra. Because as we know all the southern states of India were created on linguistic and cultural basis.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 25 Dec 2009 03:42

http://www.educationinfoindia.com/Unive ... Andhra.htm

Acharya N.G. Ranga Agril. Univ., Hyderabad
Andhra Univ, Vizag
Dr. B.R. Ambedkar Open , Hyderabad
Dravidian University, Chittoor
University of Hyderabad, Hyderabad
Jawaharlal Nehru Technological University, Hyderabad
Kakatiya University, Warangal
Maulana Azad National Urdu University, Hyderabad
Nizam's Institute of Medical Sciences, Hyderabad
N.T.R. University of Health Sciences, Vijayawada
Osmania University, Hyderabad
Potti Sreeramulu Telugu University, Hyderabad
Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidyapeetha, Tirupati
Sri Krishnadevaraya University, Anantpur
Sri Padmavati Mahila Visvavidyalayam, Tirupati
Sri Vinkateswara Institute of Medical Sciences, Tirupati
Sri Venkateswara University, Tirupati
JNTU, Kakinada
JNTU, Anantpur

Telangana - 9, Costa - 3, Seema - 7

anuj wrote:
Muns wrote:What is the Problem and How can it be addressed?
You should tell that to the UNITED ANDHRA lunnies protesting across the borders of telangana. Because they haven't for a single time asked about the problems. There out there in there own world building consensus from the rayalaseema and andhra region and have already made up there mind to reject the resolution when it gets introduced 2 years later.

anuj wrote:
Muns wrote:In my view, state division isn't a solution
Division is the only solution on the table right now which the telangana's accept. What are your thoughts on genocide?

Looks like that {deleted} is already thinking and hoping for few genocides. When will the plan start? soon after the state formation? Own few gas chambers?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 25 Dec 2009 03:42

>>>Congress will get even greater votes/candidates returned victorious in the next elections from the truncated remainder of Andhra after Telengana.
B ji: Why? The probability that they get more seats in 'Telangana' is higher. Won't the people in the residual state be pissed of at GoI and the party that was ruling - namely INC?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Dec 2009 03:47

KrishG wrote:Just out of curiosity, can somebody please point out any major cultural, linguistical between the people of Telangana and coastal Andhra. Because as we know all the southern states of India were created on linguistic and cultural basis.

Not much really as I have relatives everywhere except from Rayalaseema. However let me put from my experiences/knowledge

Let me try writing some details as you asked:
1) Srikakulam and Vijyanagram speaks a distinct accent
2) Visakhapatnam speaks somewhat that has (1) and Godavari district style
3) East Godavari District has a unique accent but konaseema in East speaks a faster version of the same
4) West Godavari and Deevi seema of Krishna District speaks a distinct style
5) Krishna district boasts that theirs is the real accent
All the above speak a very polite language even when swearing. For Hindi hearland folks it is like always using aap and Hum even for singular.
6) Guntur districts (especially the Palanadu areas) speaks very rough language. It is almost like swearing others.
7) Prakasam district folks - even when they speak normally you will feel that they are swearing at you

Rayalaseema speaks a distinct veriety ( I don't have breakdown of districts as I am not that much exposed to southern AP)
In Telangana Districts
9) Khammam speaks both like Krishna district and also like Warangal district. This is a transitioning district from Coastal AP to Telangana
10) Warangal speaks a unique rich Telugu with a general Telangana accent. In fact it is considered as pure Telugu becasue it has more Telugu words and slightly lesser Sanskrit than the first FIVE above. However, you will see Urdu words in the mix due to Nizam influence
11) Karimnagar, Medak and portions of Adilabad speaks similar Telangana accent which has Urdu/Hindi words(some times partial words) mixed into Telugu. It is unique.
12) Nalgonda and Mahaboobnagar are again transitioning districts and hence they have uniquness in their accent
13) Hyderabad is everything in the world.

I consider Karimnagar, Warangal and Medak as most unique and heart of Telangana and all other districts are transitioning into other states or other regions of AP.

Everyone makes fun of other's accent except that Telangana folks doesn't know how to tease the others. Instead they get offended as they are little softies and thin skinned folks.

In terms of culture as I have sisters-in-law from Telangana and also few cousins from Medak/karimnagar districts I may be able to put it as much right as I can. My parents are from the vulturous

costal districts
* All the fesitvals are same except there are some gaondevi style festivals which are localized everywere. Batakamma festival is a popular Telangana specific one.
* Sankranthi/Pongal is celebrated slightly differently. In Telangana areas they do kite flying
* Rest of the fesitvals are all same
* The food is same/similar - There is difference in the amount of spice or sugar used in the recipies
* Gongura ( the AP special leafy pickle) is called as Pontikoora. My distant-cousins when they were young used to say to my parents "go-back Gongura- pontikoora zindabad". It is/was one of the funny seperate Telangana slogans of 1969 (I am not born that time hence I don't know from direct experience)

Coming to culture like marriages etc., they are almost similar except the following glaring ( if we see extremely deep) differences that I observed as I attended my brothers and cousins marriages.
* In some districts and some communities of Telangana bride's head is covered at the time of marriage and which is not the same on other parts of AP
* When clothes are exchanged between women ( example my sister-in-law's mother gives saree to my mom as gift), in other parts of AP they just give the saree where as in Telangana it is wrong to give a saree and not give even atleast a dhothi to her husband.

Regarding hospitality -
* If you want to see real "Athidi Devo Bhava" then I say visit Telangana Telugu families. You will be dead with embrassment of not being able to eat (unless you have a big apetite) that is given and also the extreme courtesy that they show.
* On a courtesy meter, I would rate Telanganites highest in AP on any day. Language wise courtesy is more in the Krishna and Godavari accents.
* You will defintely not see such things in Guntur or Krishna districts. Little rough and tough in mannerisms too.
* However, you will have a different experience if you go to North Andhra and Godavari districts. They have their own stlye of hospitality.

I don't know details about Rayalaseem and I will leave it to someone from there.

In summary, if you dig very deep with a magnifying glass - yes you will see differences even inside a given district. Otherwise it is same culture and language and by the way the 90% of the castes are also with same name.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 25 Dec 2009 04:00

SwamyG wrote: Why? The probability that they get more seats in 'Telangana' is higher. Won't the people in the residual state be pissed of at GoI and the party that was ruling - namely INC?

SwamiG garu, Brihaspati garu is right. If and when Telangana forms, TRS (with or without an alliance with congress) will have advantage in telangana and there will be a tie between congress and TDP in coastal and Rayalseema with advantage to congress because the anti-congress votes will divide between TDP and PRP. Andhra's are fools of the first order.Here is a region which gave the highest number of congress MPs consistently in every election but there is zero representative in the central cabinet.More importantly , these fools dont even realise the shenanigans of congress . Yesterday, i am listening to a coastal andhra mp undavalli arun kumar , who for all his support for united andhra is already covering his ass by saying the decision to divide Andhra is a "central govt" decision and not a congress decision and if YSR is alive then , this would not have happen and it is TDPs fault that TRS came into being. And people are buying that argument.So i dont see any dent in congress suppport. People of Andhra and Rayalseema will continue to remain as congress slaves even after formation of Telangana.

KarthikSan · Post by **KarthikSan** » 25 Dec 2009 04:04

Muppalla wrote:
KrishG wrote:Just out of curiosity, can somebody please point out any major cultural, linguistical between the people of Telangana and coastal Andhra. Because as we know all the southern states of India were created on linguistic and cultural basis.
Not much really as I have relatives everywhere except from Rayalaseema. However let me put from my experiences/knowledge

What about the caste/clan equation? Those differences play a major role in such protests as compared to language, culture etc.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 25 Dec 2009 04:18

Rony garu:
AP has been giving INC its MPs on a platter. So what benefit does INC get by splitting AP?

Muns · Post by **Muns** » 25 Dec 2009 04:20

Anuj, I'm having some trouble getting the real meaning of what you're trying to imply here so i'm going to repeat some things as i think you meant it and respond :

You see, if they hadn't done this, the resources would have never been found. They would've just laid idle there. And what use would they have been that way.

I'm going to go over this thread again and i'm pretty sure it'll show me exactly the same thing i saw when i went over it the first time around. That all regions have areas that need further development. That includes Andhra and Rayalaseema...I haven't seen anything outright that shows me Telangana is desperately poor from the other areas...infact as some posters have shown...Hyderabad has received a significant amount of investment itself. Does that warrant state separation and division of resources for a burgeoning population or better management of resources? In the long run....further tensions will erupt for those same resources that need to be managed.

I believe your referring to me. But I just can't get over these thoughts of blaming you. I wonder why?

I've got an idea. Turn your head to what preferably is a brick wall and blame that. It's called displacement of anger...not the best method of anger control. But it might suit you in the short term...

Selfish SELFISH bunch aren't they? Those damn telanganites. Do you smell a conspiracy? Have they joined hands with LTTE? The Nizams? The RSS? Led Zepplin? Do you think those protesters in osmania university were actually robots?

I'm not sure where you're going with this. Are you asking if i believe it's a conspiracy? No as i said a minority bunch of Telangites seem to be blaming Andhraites and it's the wrong solution.
I'll tell you what i believe...a minority naive bunch of college kids can be influenced to take to violence when stimulated with the right incentives....cash, inflating passions, feelings of victimization, propaganda and brainwashing by irresponsible parties....

Muns wrote:
2) Can a referendum and elections held or be managed to figure out just how many people support the telangana cause across Andhra?

None.

Muns wrote:
3) Can Telangites figure an alternative solution? What will pacify them? Or is it only division of the state?

There done with the games dude. And apparently, it is something people find it hard to digest. Hard to understand what's happening. Confused to figure out the difference between the creation of a new state and the creation of a new country.

See this is what i can't get at. You've mentioned that TRS got the least amount of votes. They voted for Congress and all the other parties (TDP,PRP) that had Telangana included in it's manifesto. At the very least i can then say Telangana was a Confounding Variable. It becomes irrelevent to the voter and is now voting for completely different issues. How can we really know what % of the population really support Telangana apart from pointing to Osmania university students.

There done with the games dude. And apparently, it is something people find it hard to digest. Hard to understand what's happening. Confused to figure out the difference between the creation of a new state and the creation of a new country.

I think we can figure that out. But what we're trying to figure out is who division of the state really serves. The telugu people or others with vested interests.

Me and my friends will protest if you do not paypal me 1 million dollars. Do our views not count?

They do. But if you're a minority...then your overruled.

Division is the only solution on the table right now which the telangana's accept. What are your thoughts on genocide?

I don't get this. Is this an subtle threat of violence? Akin to give us more (insert cash, weapons) or we'll hit the nuclear button? Well that leads me to how do i feel about Presidents rule and the Indian army taking to the streets to prevent a situation that Indians like TKiran have become fearful of....Have them there as long as it takes till sanity prevails.

The only thing that can prevent this separation is ignorance. You by-hard that sentence and you take it home and you think about it.

By Heart you mean? What does that 1st sentence actually mean? That if i remain ignorant the situation can be prevented or that ignorance has lead to this situation? Ignorance is a fine word...but even that means different things for different people. Some believe that those belonging to Dar ul harb are in ignorance and should be attacked....

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Dec 2009 04:42

KarthikSan wrote: What about the caste/clan equation? Those differences play a major role in such protests as compared to language, culture etc.

I will write very briefly. If we take migrant population every caste is everywhere.

There are Reddys in Rayalaseema and Reddys in Telangana. Kammas are basically in Rayalaseema and Coastal AP. kammas are also in Khamam district of Telangana. Velamas are there extensively in Telangana and to some extent in Krishna district. Kapus (Chiranjeevi caste) is another caste that has a very large population as compared to any other clan. However, Kapus have a 1000 names and they have more than one name even in the same district.

In terms of clan style competetion among the forward castes. It is Velamas Vs. Reddys in Telangana. it is Kammas Vs. kapus in coastal districts. It is Reddys Vs. Naidus (kammas) in Rayalaseema. This is not that straightforward but it is just in general.

KCR is a velama by caste.
There are strong middle castes everywhere. Goud is a caste that is considered as BC but a strong caste.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 25 Dec 2009 05:40

SwamyG wrote:Rony garu:
AP has been giving INC its MPs on a platter. So what benefit does INC get by splitting AP?

SwamyG garu, after the demise of YSR, congress fears a resurgent TDP and internal dissidence of YSR's son Jagan Mohan Reddy.Hence the sudden decision .

Congress eyes long-term gain in Telangana - Bid to silence cave-in buzz

Sonia had been convinced by pro-Telangana leaders that the best way to finish off Telugu Desam leader N. Chandrababu Naidu and contain the influence of Jaganmohan Reddy was to divide the state.
A Telangana state would have been unthinkable during YSR’s tenure but his exit had given the high command an opportunity to exert its authority.

Sources said it was possible for the new state to be formed within a year and a half. If the statehood is implemented during the term of this Assembly — it has over four years left — the seats from Telangana would go over to the new state and the government would be formed according to the current break-up of parties in these seats. That will allow the Congress to form the government in both states.

The Congress has 51 of Telangana’s 119 seats, and the support of the Telangana Rashtra Samiti’s 10 MLAs will give it majority. Sources said there was a tacit understanding with Rao, who might even merge his party with the Congress in the future.

The Desam, which has strong roots in Telangana, is likely to pay for having opposed statehood. In truncated Andhra, its stronghold will be the smaller Rayalaseema region whereas state politics will be dominated by the coastal areas, where the Congress rules.
Congress leaders, therefore, believe the decision will bring political benefits in the long run. Jaganmohan, whose base is Telangana, is expected to get weakened because of his father’s anti-statehood stand.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 25 Dec 2009 06:32

Correct diagnosis, wrong cure

. Leaders of the Telangana region, including many from the time of the first major agitation in 1969, have sought to frame these deprivation and development-related issues in the language of regionalism — as wilful, oppressive neglect of an entire region by those in power belonging to other regions. The Telangana Rashtra Samithi, the party behind the current agitation, is of the same mould. Although the TRS fared poorly in the Lok Sabha and Assembly elections earlier this year, its president K. Chandrasekhar Rao has now managed to rally support by going on a protest fast. Such is the volatility of Indian politics that the mass mood can change within months, especially when an emotive issue is worked up by clever political footwork. The mishandling of the students’ agitation by the police has clearly aided Mr. Rao’s cause.

Sound political diagnosis must of course factor in the mass mood but cannot be determined by it. In most cases, the real answer to problems of under-development and backwardness lies in big efforts aimed at development and progress. Aside from the unwisdom of breaking up South India’s largest State, a separate Telangana will fuel demands for a separate Rayalaseema, for a separate coastal Andhra, and, maybe, even for union territory status for Hyderabad — and there will be no Pradesh left. The problem of uneven regional and intra-State development is one of the major challenges rising India faces but there is little to suggest that smaller States will make for a more even process of development. Surely, regional imbalances can be corrected without recourse to bifurcating or trifurcating a stable and potentially prosperous State — which came into being through historical struggle and sacrifice and showcases the virtues of post-Independence linguistic reorganisation. For a start, the Regional Development Boards could be given more resources and more powers. Successive chief ministers have avoided resourcing the boards with sufficient funds, for fear of creating regional power centres and undermining their own authority. This must necessarily change. The diagnosis is right: Telangana is backward and cries out for rapid development and the regional autonomy needed for this. But the cure pressed by a succession of militant movements — a separate Telangana State — will do serious harm to the patient.

TKiran · Post by **TKiran** » 25 Dec 2009 08:16

Muns wrote:
I'll tell you what i believe...a minority naive bunch of college kids can be influenced to take to violence when stimulated with the right incentives....cash, inflating passions, feelings of victimization, propaganda and brainwashing by irresponsible parties....

Division is the only solution on the table right now which the telangana's accept. What are your thoughts on genocide?
I don't get this. Is this an subtle threat of violence? Akin to give us more (insert cash, weapons) or we'll hit the nuclear button? Well that leads me to how do i feel about Presidents rule and the Indian army taking to the streets to prevent a situation that Indians like TKiran have become fearful of....Have them there as long as it takes till sanity prevails.

These are going to be the Telugu Razakars, about which even 20 days back, I would not have imagined in my wildest of Dreams, but anybody who is living in Hyderabad now who has gone out and seen the Madness in the Streets, and who has known atleast the sketchy details of the Razakaar atrocities can easily relate to.

Boss, forget about army or President, in the History of India, they never prevented any of the Riots, they can only control the situation after all the Mayhem. But we have to live till they arrive. Bathikunte Balusaaku Thinavachchu. Sh#t, I cant even go back to USA, I have expired my Visa, and I have only Business Visa now.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Dec 2009 09:11

Editorial from Hindu.

Way out in Andhra Pradesh

Way out in Andhra Pradesh

Union Home Minister P. Chidambaram’s latest statement on the existential crisis of south India’s largest State is a game attempt to calm the situation by taking the Telangana issue back to where it was before his late-night announcement of December 9. The backtracking and throwing up of the central government’s hands are understandable. They have had the immediate effect of calming a volatile situation in the coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema regions, which together account for 175 of the State’s 294 MLAs. But predictably, the statement has produced the opposite effect in Telangana. While it may be too soon to get the measure of the violence unleashed in this region, the early incidents of bus burning, stone pelting, attacks on shops and government offices, and sporadic targeting of properties belonging to ‘settlers’ from the Andhra region do not augur well for the State. Nor does the fact that more than 60 of the 119 MLAs from the Telangana region have initiated ‘resignation’ moves. (By the time Mr. Chidambaram made his second statement on December 23, 143 of the 175 MLAs from the coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema regions had submitted their ‘resignations’; many of them are now believed to be ready to withdraw them.) There can be little doubt that by announcing — without wider political consultations at the national level and without assessing the public mood across the State — that “the process of forming the State of Telangana will be initiated” and “an appropriate resolution will be moved in the State Assembly,” the central government made a costly blunder. Overnight, a difficult situation created in the State capital by the fast of Telangana Rashtra Samithi leader K. Chandrasekhar Rao was transformed into a first-rate political crisis for the whole State. The legislature has been paralysed and the executive branch reduced to dysfunctionality despite sensible attempts by Chief Minister K. Rosaiah to moderate the situation.

But in terms of what went wrong and what needs to be done, Mr. Chidambaram’s latest statement does the service of restoring the political balance by placing the crisis in perspective. What is now clear is this. Not just the Congress party and the central government but most political parties concerned with the long-festering Telangana issue miscalculated and blundered badly. They must therefore accept special responsibility for correcting the situation through constructive responses rather than by exploiting the political troubles of the ruling party. The minutes of the meeting convened by Chief Minister Rosaiah on December 7 reveal that all parties, with the exception of the Communist Party of India (Marxist), the All-India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (AIMIM), and the Lok Satta, supported the move to initiate the process of forming a State of Telangana by tabling a resolution in the Andhra Pradesh Assembly. The Telugu Desam Party and the Praja Rajyam Party might have done a total volte face under the pressure of mass constituency revolts but that does not absolve them of a special responsibility to cooperate with the State and central governments in the efforts to resolve the political crisis.

What then is to be done about the future of independent India’s first linguistic State? The first thing the central government needs to do is to firm up its political resolve not to capitulate on a vital issue under the threat of orchestrated militancy and violence. But it also needs to show political imagination and good footwork. Setting up the long-promised Second States Reorganisation Commission will be a good idea. The best way to strengthen Chief Minister Rosaiah’s hand in dealing with the crisis will be a combination of political clear-headedness and practical support in the form of adequate central forces to deal with the public order challenge. Everyone knows that long-festering problems do not allow for easy solutions. The Telangana issue as we know it has been around for half a century, and there is also a pre-history of a revolutionary struggle against landlordism in the region. The Congress party has always had an ambiguous stand on this issue. While recent Congress election manifestoes have bought time by either proposing a Second States Reorganisation Commission (in 2004) or remaining silent (in 2009), it is notable that under the pressure of coalition politics, the National Common Minimum Programme of May 2004 made this promise: “The UPA government will consider the demand for the formation of a Telangana state at an appropriate time after due consultations and consensus.” The party’s strongest and most resourceful State leader of recent times, Y.S. Rajasekhara Reddy, managed to keep the problem under control by first forming a committee under Mr. Rosaiah to study it, and then by trouncing the TRS in its own region in the 2009 Lok Sabha and Assembly elections. But YSR’s death in a helicopter crash changed everything, including the rules of the political game in Telangana. The Maoist presence in the region may be a cause for concern but it should not be allowed to cloud clear thinking. One lesson to be learnt is that on an intractable issue like Telangana, the need to arrive at a national-level political consensus through democratic consultations is inescapable. Recent events have only strengthened the logic of the argument presented in The Hindu’s editorial of December 9, 2009 that while the diagnosis of the backwardness and neglect of the Telangana region is sound and must be empathised with, a just and progressive solution can be found within an undivided Andhra Pradesh on the basis of regional autonomy and big, concentrated development efforts.

Hindu shows why its a national paper. Good job.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 25 Dec 2009 09:45

archan wrote:There have been a couple of reports on this thread. I see people are calling other BRFites pakis and whatnot. No matter how heated the debate is, don't go there. Also, I am not warning anyone because this is a time when the discussion will be a bit heated - so let us give it that much space. But guys please self moderate your comments.

Almost every thread on politics degenerates into fist fights amongst postors. And this thread has become worse than most - fist fight on regional level and posts also have very coverted worded venom at personal level.

One way I propose to end this mess : Admins should pull the collars of every postors and ask him to propose the solution to the problem postor is cribbing about. And if wants to complain against someone else's solution, force him to provide a better legislation. That would automatically restore order on the forum. eg if someone accuses TN elite of conspiring to split AP, moderators should ask him to provide the laws that he think can subvert this conspiracy. That will automatically bring order to forum and improve posts.

In short, admins should force postors to become solution oriented rather "I hate Himesh Reshamina" type complain kings.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 25 Dec 2009 10:20

The Hindu’s editorial of December 9, 2009 that while the diagnosis of the backwardness and neglect of the Telangana region is sound and must be empathised with, a just and progressive solution can be found within an undivided Andhra Pradesh on the basis of regional autonomy and big, concentrated development efforts.

I really doubt it. As you can see, the hate keeps coming and lies getting bigger and bigger.

1. First it was no development. When confronted with facts, the water resources were diverted by Andhrites. If these people had held their elected reps in check, they would have found that they are pocketing money and sleeping in assembly. But the gutless now play a victim and blames "Andhras". When you list out all the irrigation projects there, worthless propagandists keep quiet.

2. Next it is no universities in Telangana meaning it is all Andrites fault; they diverted it to Andhra. The facts are wrong again. There are 10 in Telangana and 3 in Costa, 7 in Seema. We don't deal with facts here Mr.

3. This takes the cake. They are angry that telugu movie villains speak in Telangana accent.

Oh no! That is Andhra fault too...

4. taking over our lands... Taking all our minerals to Andhra... Every hour the list keeps getting bigger and bigger ... Hour by Hour

5. Constitution? What is it? You can't buy land in our country er... state er... whatever...

6. If you hear these jokers, gold was flowing in the streets of Telangana in 1947, billions of acres of land was being irrigated. The rich and prosperous Telangana was conned into AP and suddenly billion acres were reduced to millions of acres. Water all but disappeared from Telangana and went to Costa. Those Andhras must be real magicians.

No newspaper addresses underlying theme.

1. Get out of Hyderabad. We will take over your apartments, land, homes and kick you out of jobs and take them.

Not a single bozo realizes that Hyderabad was not even developed by PVNR even as PM. The huge investments into Hyderabad was mostly from Costa and Seema. That might have created a 0.5-1 million jobs in private sector in the last 10 years. Even if for argument sake, we say Andhras stole 70% of jobs because of their better education background/cronyism and only 30% was left for Telanganas, that is 150-300,000 jobs. But Telanganas are busy blaming Andhras for allegedly stealing 5-20,000 Govt.jobs in the last 20 years.

Why not Telangana?

I say give Telangana and get a workable solution for both parties of sharing Hyderabad revenue for some period. Why do people get worked up so much about splitting the state? What is the big deal? You don't have to deal with whiners day in and day out: Gee.. we are oppressed, we are being ordered, you are being condescending, exploiting us, diverting our water... It is good for both states.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 25 Dec 2009 11:00

Imagine my surprise that after a decade on BRF, I still thought all Andhraites are Telgu's and all telgu's are same with sweet accent and then comes this thread.
Just for a state which has almost happened, we are threatening violence,calling each other Paki and hurting each other. Its a real shame.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 25 Dec 2009 11:05

Rahul Mehta wrote:
archan wrote:There have been a couple of reports on this thread. I see people are calling other BRFites pakis and whatnot. No matter how heated the debate is, don't go there. Also, I am not warning anyone because this is a time when the discussion will be a bit heated - so let us give it that much space. But guys please self moderate your comments.
Almost every thread on politics degenerates into fist fights amongst postors. And this thread has become worse than most - fist fight on regional level and posts also have very coverted worded venom at personal level.

One way I propose to end this mess : Admins should pull the collars of every postors and ask him to propose the solution to the problem postor is cribbing about. And if wants to complain against someone else's solution, force him to provide a better legislation. That would automatically restore order on the forum. eg if someone accuses TN elite of conspiring to split AP, moderators should ask him to provide the laws that he think can subvert this conspiracy. That will automatically bring order to forum and improve posts.

In short, admins should force postors to become solution oriented rather "I hate Himesh Reshamina" type complain kings.

RM , Not everyone is competent enough to provide a solution. Most of the people and that includes lots of gems on BRF can not provide a solution. That does not mean that takleef is not genuine. Sometimes we just fight for a cause without knowing the solution just like GoI.
Yes I agree, Posters do tend to get real aggressive with personal insults thrown and mocking others down.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 25 Dec 2009 11:47

Muns wrote:Anuj, I'm having some trouble getting the real meaning of what you're trying to imply

Intelligence, learned, cynicism and street smartness are all very different things. It is what separates the indians and the pakis and the chinese and the americans from each other.

Muns wrote:That all regions have areas that need further development. That includes Andhra and Rayalaseema...I haven't seen anything outright that shows me Telangana is desperately poor from the other areas...

You have a way of looking at things. Your way is not the way the people of telangana are looking at things. We do not know whether those statistics are actually genuine because after all, you assume me to believe data that was prepared by the same people who looted the region. Instead look at the number of projects and works that were assured for telangana. Look at the dates. Look at how many of those actually took off. Look at the bifurcation of govt. jobs. Look at conditions in the gentlemens agreement and figure out how many of those points were flouted. Compare the conditions of telangana before 1948 and after 1948. Because if you look at it this way, you would actually see a giant hand pulling against the leg of telangana, every time it tried to pace ahead.

Muns wrote:I've got an idea. Turn your head to what preferably is a brick wall and blame that. It's called displacement of anger...not the best method of anger control. But it might suit you in the short term...

Your voice it is so soothing, that cunning mantra of killing. Your right. Im not the enlightened one here who saw nothing. Then he saw something which he thought was everything. Quickly followed that with judgments and offered single line solutions to the equations and lifted the chin waiting to be gifted with nirvana.

Muns wrote:Are you asking if i believe it's a conspiracy?

You think?

Muns wrote:No as i said a minority bunch of Telangites seem to be blaming Andhraites and it's the wrong solution. I'll tell you what i believe... a minority naive bunch of college kids can be influenced to take to violence when stimulated with the right incentives....cash, inflating passions, feelings of victimization, propaganda and brainwashing by irresponsible parties....

You personally funded a referendum we don't know about?

Muns wrote:How can we really know what % of the population really support Telangana apart from pointing to Osmania university students.

You mean to say the students of osmania form a single identity based on the liberation of telangana and hence there distribution based on the demographics of the city bear no ground?

Muns wrote:I think we can figure that out. But what we're trying to figure out is who division of the state really serves. The telugu people or others with vested interests.

Care to explain about these "vested interests" for me? Conspiracies aside plz.

Muns wrote:
Me and my friends will protest if you do not paypal me 1 million dollars. Do our views not count?
They do. But if you're a minority...then your overruled.

Excellent analysis my desi brother!
By your assessment, if the entire population of maharashtra asked for a 10000 crores from goa then it would actually have to comply because it was a minority and hence over-ruled. Have i got your super excellent desi logic right?

Muns wrote:I don't get this.

Maybe your getting it right now and you don't know about it.

Muns wrote:Is this an subtle threat of violence? Akin to give us more (insert cash, weapons) or we'll hit the nuclear button?

I don't know brother. The telangana's are refusing to get in line. Refusing to accept a united andhra. Refusing to play the part of a minority and taking up right there. Refusing to continue there inferior line of path's. Refusing to accept domination of the superior and civilized pretenders in the east? It's a simple question dear desi? Do you think andhra should practice the ancient art of ethnic cleaning in telanagana? How you do pacify them you asked.

Muns wrote:Well that leads me to how do i feel about Presidents rule and the Indian army taking to the streets to prevent a situation that Indians like TKiran have become fearful of....Have them there as long as it takes till sanity prevails.

Is it this mentality of the andhra's that i've figured out a long time ago and hence keep repeating that this separating won't be peaceful. Going by what they did in telangana for 60 years, i do not doubt when i say it'll be bloody and that's not a statement or a threat. It all shall fall by the grace of the people.

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 25 Dec 2009 14:09

I know the kind of goons that have taken over the pro-Telangana movement in OU campus. These elements usually live in campus hostels for 8-10yrs (yes you read it right) never having stepped into a classroom. These are not students by any stretch of imagination. Just goons who happen to encroach on university land. So lets stop talking abt the agitation in the campus as reflecting the sentiments of the Telangana masses.

Disclaimer: I have neither spoken in favour of against the Telangana movement. Just wanted to set the record straight on the OU part of the discussion

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 25 Dec 2009 14:27

Talking of Telangana, if and when it happens its more likely that it will not be formed with current district boundaries. Khammam, Nalgonda and Mahbubnagar will mostly likely be divided with the larger share going to Andhra/Seema and Hyd taking up UT status.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 25 Dec 2009 15:05

One thing I wish to correct here. Attacks on Costal people did took place during 1969 agitation. There were families driven out of Hyd then also. But today with media we can expect that kind of attacks more and more such migrations. The loss to Hyd in 1969 is almost nothing because at that time it is only a State Capital with little bussiness. Now with all the IT BPA Pharma activities loss due to unrest is and will be very very huge.

Franckly if with 119 MLA's in Aseembly the area is not developed (???) then I fear we have no one but these MLA's blame. We have two PM's from Telangana Indira got elected from Medak and PV is of course from Telangana area. So what these great leaders were doing if thier area is so backword. KCR, Geevan Reddy, Jana Reddy and others are in politics for a long long time. Can they tell any thing they have done to people.

If any area is not developed the representatives from that areas are the main reasons. I am surprised when a person who was in politics for a long time says that people of Telangana are being treated a slaves, Nizams are a great people and did a lot to for development, etc. It sounds as if he regreat Hyd province becomming part of India.

One more thing we have to know both KCR and Vijayashanthi are not from Telangana area. KCR's forefathers are from costal areas. The less we say about Vijayashanthi the better as TRS people themselves said manythings about her earlier.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 25 Dec 2009 16:13

nukavarapu wrote:then what good it would do by threatening settlers in Hyderabad?

It all forms a part of the agitation. Violence and riot becomes the rhyme of the unheard.

nukavarapu wrote:but threatening and behaving violently would solve anything?I agree that including myself, many members here went overboard by calling paki names, but the threatings issued by the likes of KCR to Andhras in hyderabad, is it fair?

The internet is a very crazy place. I've trolled and engaged myself in so many gutter discussions that abuses and profanities no longer catch my attention. But bringing the word "paki" inside a domestic quarrel is a cheap and desperate attempt to derail the discussion and replying to those comments was very necessary. Abuses on the WWW are not relevant. Only the desi mind would find the word "idiot" a derogatory term. That current standard is the equivalent of an adolescent restricted to the diet of an infant. Alarming signals pointing at "indian english" and it's failure to mature properly. And yet, we find ourselves gossiping with the diplomatic world in english and remain clueless to figure out why the neighbor engages with the world in mandarin.

nukavarapu wrote:how can they just hand it over to you and leave?

That is temporary. At this stage one cannot hope to witness gandhi marches or any pre-defined peaceful protests or civilized behavior.

nukavarapu wrote:If people want separate telangana very seriously, why can't we share the capital Hyderabad for few years? Why the Telangana leaders are not agreeing to that?

Serious trust deficit.
Discussions between telangana leaders and andhra have always been amateurish in nature. Imagine a boy engaging in a deal. He is just an amateur. He thinks he made the right deal and goes home. It isn't until a few days later, that he realizes that he was screwed in the deal. That's how he lived his entire teen life - getting screwed over and over again. Now that he has become a man and with all the scars on his body, he prefers to be extra extra EXTRA cautious when he makes a new deal. The slightest hesitation is enough for him to pull out of the deal. He see's the old man and he remembers how he got screwed by him during his teens. Now the old man has approached him with a deal but the man isn't buying it. He refuses to trust him, even though the old man might be a changed man who seeks redemption for his past deeds.

nukavarapu wrote:But the sheer hatred that telangana leaders are displaying is something unbelievable.

There's no way i can argue with you on this. It is true. It is like a bottle that has formed cracks and given away.

nukavarapu wrote:I think the bigger blame goes to the the representatives of Telangana people who couldn't do anything for the last 50 years.

True to a very reasonable extent.

nukavarapu wrote:Instead of Instigating violence or becoming a whining fool like politician, I would better do some social revolution. That's just my thought!

Saying that politicians well never change is assuming you have lost all faith. As a citizen the power that's granted to you make yourself heard is your democratic voting right. Anyone who thinks he can do more is day dreaming. Social activists do not play even 5% part in uplift-ment of poverty. But that doesn't mean i reject that work. The only reason i support the telangana cause is because i believe smaller states can be managed better.

Regions and states keep altering. I can imagine the state borders of US of A to remain the same for another 100 years because there's not much diversity there. India's case is such that we need to keep moving with the changes. They used to make states based on languages back in the day's. Today there formed based on economics. Were done with linguistics. We've adopted economics. We've moved forward. Why would anyone want to go backwards?

vina · Post by **vina** » 25 Dec 2009 16:35

Hmm. ND Tiwari's (s)exploits captured on camera seems to be one better than Mullah Sandwich!.

I think Andhra politics in the recent past has gotten a bit too spicy even for the Andhra palate!

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 25 Dec 2009 18:23

SandeepA wrote:I know the kind of goons that have taken over the pro-Telangana movement in OU campus. These elements usually live in campus hostels for 8-10yrs (yes you read it right) never having stepped into a classroom. These are not students by any stretch of imagination. Just goons who happen to encroach on university land. So lets stop talking abt the agitation in the campus as reflecting the sentiments of the Telangana masses.

The above post is 100% correct and pretty much summarized 25% of reality. Most of the violence is because of these career criminals.

The remaining 25% is that --- local policemen, local judges etc have nexuses with these rowdies and so they get away. Which is only reason why they so boldly indulge into into violent act. But why do local IPS and local judges cultivate such nexuses? Because the local citizens dont have procedures to imprison, expel them.

And rest 50% is --- commons have NO referendum like procedures to put their views across the board. And so many commons end up supporting such rowdies. But why dont we still have referendum like procedures in India? Not because of cost, because there are plethora of "zero cost" referendum-like procedures. The reason is : political debate space in India has been hijacked by people with 4 digit IQ who keep yelling that we commons are morons and so we commons MUST not have any procedure to put our demands across. Just look at neta-babu-judge thread, and you will realize this.

The lack of referendum like procedures is the main reason why anger in commons keeps growing. If there was a referendum like procedure in AP, commons would have used that loooong back and sorted out problems and the demand of split would have disappeared long back. But instead, the demand kept adding up and now it is exploding.

Again, I dont see any way out except to announce referendum in 2014, and let that referendum decide.

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The present day violence in Hyderabad is only because CM Roshiyah, under the guidance of Sonia, PC has asked policemen to give a free hand to rowdies posing as "activists". PC, Sonia want to suppress the costa demonstrators who are protesting against split. And so Sonia and PC seem to have planned that lets allow rowdies posing as activists to beat coasta and destroy their property, so that they give up their pro-Unity demand.

This is exactly what happened in 1984 in Gujarat. The then CM Madhav Singh Solanki was facing angry mobs of upper caste youth because he had increased OBC quota from 5% to 27%. He canceled the decision, but now youth wanted his resignation. So asked muslim criminals to unleash violence on areas where these youth groups were concentrated, and he asked policemen to stay away. So VHP organized some Hindu youth and unleashed counter-violence. One policeman got killed, one fatally injured and police went mad. And policemen beated so many people that Military had to be called and first thing Military was told to do was to "disarm" policemen !! And the things went of hand, and it took six months before schools could start.

Sonia, PC are really playing with valcano by asking policemen to allow rowdies to run riots in Hyderabad. Whole AP may explode within days.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 25 Dec 2009 18:35

http://greatandhra.com/ganews/viewnews. ... 10&scat=25
Riots In Hyderabad: 'IT Companies Shifting To Bangalore'

The TRS party has been instigating attacks on the properties of Andhra settlers and luring the young and unaware students in the name of movement. Due to this, the daily functioning of many MNCs is getting affected and this has created a black mark regarding the city in the eyes of the foreign investors and other big IT companies. Now, reports are arriving that due to the volatile situation caused by the goons, many companies have begun to chalk out back up plans and shift their operations to other safe cities like Bangalore and Chennai.

Also, the expansion plans which were scheduled to take place in the New Year are now said to be postponed and measures to look at other politically stable states like Tamilnadu, Maharashtra are being sought out. As it is, the recession has given a hard stick to the youth of Hyderabad and now if the OU students are resorting to any agitations and violent activities, they must realize that they are digging their own grave of their careers.

The recent incidents over the last two weeks have already pressed the panic button and if the same continues, then it is without doubt that Hyderabad will lose out on the race to become a developed city like the four metros. The industry experts say that this will leave a compound impact and set a chain reaction since IT industry is the crucial one for the economy growth. If they start moving out, this will trigger a panic mode among the other industries like Pharma, heavy engineering, automobiles and they can be lured away by the neighboring states highlighting the weak situation of our city. Folks, it is time you reflect on such important aspects and don’t fall into the trap of some wily political rowdies.

Don't know how much of this true, but I am sure this is only matter of time.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Dec 2009 18:39

vina wrote:Hmm. ND Tiwari's (s)exploits captured on camera seems to be one better than Mullah Sandwich!.

I think Andhra politics in the recent past has gotten a bit too spicy even for the Andhra palate!

This 85 year old pervert was lying naked with three young women and Andhra Jyothy TV carried the clippings for almost 30 minutes. Now a string of denials from Raj Bhavan and government. TDP's Naidu already asked from removal of the Governer.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 25 Dec 2009 18:57

Rahul Mehta wrote:
SandeepA wrote:I know the kind of goons that have taken over the pro-Telangana movement in OU campus. These elements usually live in campus hostels for 8-10yrs (yes you read it right) never having stepped into a classroom. These are not students by any stretch of imagination. Just goons who happen to encroach on university land. So lets stop talking abt the agitation in the campus as reflecting the sentiments of the Telangana masses.
The above post is 100% correct and pretty much summarized 25% of reality. Most of the violence is because of these career criminals.

The remaining 25% is that --- local policemen, local judges etc have nexuses with these rowdies and so they get away. Which is only reason why they so boldly indulge into into violent act. But why do local IPS and local judges cultivate such nexuses? Because the local citizens dont have procedures to imprison, expel them.

And rest 50% is --- commons have NO referendum like procedures to put their views across the board. And so many commons end up supporting such rowdies. But why dont we still have referendum like procedures in India? Not because of cost, because there are plethora of "zero cost" referendum-like procedures. The reason is : political debate space in India has been hijacked by people with 4 digit IQ who keep yelling that we commons are morons and so we commons MUST not have any procedure to put our demands across. Just look at neta-babu-judge thread, and you will realize this.

The lack of referendum like procedures is the main reason why anger in commons keeps growing. If there was a referendum like procedure in AP, commons would have used that loooong back and sorted out problems and the demand of split would have disappeared long back. But instead, the demand kept adding up and now it is exploding.

Again, I dont see any way out except to announce referendum in 2014, and let that referendum decide.

===

The present day violence in Hyderabad is only because CM Roshiyah, under the guidance of Sonia, PC has asked policemen to give a free hand to rowdies posing as "activists". PC, Sonia want to suppress the costa demonstrators who are protesting against split. And so Sonia and PC seem to have planned that lets allow rowdies posing as activists to beat coasta and destroy their property, so that they give up their pro-Unity demand.

This is exactly what happened in 1984 in Gujarat. The then CM Madhav Singh Solanki was facing angry mobs of upper caste youth because he had increased OBC quota from 5% to 27%. He canceled the decision, but now youth wanted his resignation. So asked muslim criminals to unleash violence on areas where these youth groups were concentrated, and he asked policemen to stay away. So VHP organized some Hindu youth and unleashed counter-violence. One policeman got killed, one fatally injured and police went mad. And policemen beated so many people that Military had to be called and first thing Military was told to do was to "disarm" policemen !! And the things went of hand, and it took six months before schools could start.

Sonia, PC are really playing with valcano by asking policemen to allow rowdies to run riots in Hyderabad. Whole AP may explode within days.

A lot of reality in both posts. Most guys are there in Univ for 10 years and can't get out of there.

The violence is also willful orchestration with a tacit understanding between KCR goon forces and Congress.

Meanwhile look at our leadership.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 377768.cms
HC stops telecast of alleged sex clips of Andhra governor Tiwari

A division bench of the Andhra Pradesh high court issued an injunction on Friday, prohibiting a private TV channel from showing
explicit clippings purportedly of the 85-year-old state governor, N D Tiwari, in bed with three young women.
....

The images showed an old man, purportedly Tiwari, wearing no trousers and a shirt pulled up to the neck. All three women are naked, one at his legs and the others on his upper half. One of the women is said to be seven months pregnant, another just 18 years old.

Tiwari is a veteran Congress politician, who has been a Union minister under several Prime Ministers and the chief minister of Uttar Pradesh and Uttarakhand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bltj9UcIyww
The video is in Telugu and says that these women were exploited by ruling party MPs too.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Dec 2009 19:40

University violence is very easy thing to happen and that does not represent any reality. Assuming that there is some great emotional outburst because of University violence is just not reading reality.

OU, AU type universities are very huge that consists of all sections of education. The engineering and medical college sections will have students from 16 years of age to early 20s. The main University campus that has science and arts sections which consists of M.Sc, MA etc along with research scholars. The number of seats in Sciences is way way less than seats in Arts groups.

Now comes the politics of Government stipends to BC, SC/ST students. A lot of these students are provided with hostel and mess stipends. They don't pass in the stipulated time and there is no worry as they keep getting the money and they complete these cources very casually. Even is situations where they have to vacate because of not completing the cources in given time, they can enroll into some other cource like MA in "Cattle Shit collection" type cources. On top of that to keep all of them in political control, student body based elections are conducted with funds allocations to winners. AISF, SFI ect. are nothing but student wings of Naxals. The Engg/Medical and to a large extent science groups does not get into these politics as they are mostly busy after GRE, GMAT and other career progession activities.

The real culprits in violence and other non-educational activities are 90% from Arts groups and on top of that the PHD persuers in Arts groups. All kinds of Naxals, thugs and future politicians start ( not complete) some sort of PHD. Using caste, political clout and also using recommendation from similarly grown professors of the University they get enrolled into these PHD and MA programs. Most of these programs are such a useless things for India or society and these outputs are un-imaginibly useless folks. Any kind of agitations are god-send for these types.

If you go to research scholars hostels, you will see folks living with wife and children for several years in the hostels. On top of that there will be guests living there. They use all kinds of strong arm tactics if someone comes to evict them. Sometimes the University allocates a hostel room to a new entrant imagining that a room is vacated. Imagine the 17 year old trying to get into his allocated hostel room and fighting with this thug.

I remember once in Vijag that Commissioner D.T.Naik promulgating curfview type situation around AU Arts college Hostel to vacate the thugs. A huge number of prostitutes along with so called research scholars are arrested. But no use - these are all assets of politicians and they ensure them to be back there.

Recently when Hyd commissioner closed the University and asked everyone to vacate the hostels, they got a stay from AP-HC. The real corruption these days is not in governance but in law and courts. Unless India fixes its courts, there is no way you can fight the corruption on the street.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 25 Dec 2009 20:04

Telangana: No bandh today in view of Christmas

Hyderabad: The Joint Action Committee (JAC) comprising the TRS and other parties withdrew the bandh call on the Telangana issue on Friday following an appeal made by Christian organisations in view of Christmas celebrations.

The two-day bandh call was given by the Telangana Rashtra Samiti on Thursday after Centre decided to put the statehood issue on the backburner.

Large number of devotees were seen at various churches in Hyderabad and other districts in Telangana on Friday following the decision to relax the bandh call.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 25 Dec 2009 20:10

Mods, I do not know if it is okay to post it all or it should be posted in other threads, you can take appropriate action as desired.

The footage of ABN channel.

sreeji · Post by **sreeji** » 25 Dec 2009 20:17

This scandal seems to be timed to distract people. Maybe it will divert energies in other directions.

Andhra Governor ND TIWARI Scandal video

corrected link

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Dec 2009 20:33

sreeji wrote:This scandal seems to be timed to distract people. Maybe it will divert energies in other directions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHGebwky-go

I don't think so. Andhra Jyothy is little neutral news paper and ABN is a channel that is launched by them just a month ago. This fellow is a pervert for a long time. There was a paternity case agaisnt him for which he refused to get DNA tested. There was some out of court settlement with the illegitimate son.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 25 Dec 2009 20:49

sreeji wrote:This scandal seems to be timed to distract people. Maybe it will divert energies in other directions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHGebwky-go

Yes. It is a grand conspiracy from Costa guys !

Don't you see? "Andhra" Jyothi? What more proof do you need?

Seriously, this is such a juicy scandal: money, young women, power, promise of mining rights in Kadapa... But too bad... As soon as CON party guys get exposed, courts step in.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 25 Dec 2009 20:58

That only shows that India is not a democracy. It's just a Kaangress fiefdom - that's not something worth defending.

India has to first be liberated from the Kaangress Party tyranny.

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 25 Dec 2009 21:24

anuj wrote: Why make it hard? Why let go with a grudge? Why not part ways like brothers? Who's the one here acting like a ex-boyfriend refusing to believe "it's over"?

There are 3 types of girls..the ones the keep the ring after a breakup, the ones that return it and the ones that flush it down the toilet

Muns · Post by **Muns** » 25 Dec 2009 21:33

Anuj, I believe repeatedly your points have been answered by many posters again after. How ever i'll add a few brief comments myself :

You mean to say the students of osmania form a single identity based on the liberation of telangana and hence there distribution based on the demographics of the city bear no ground?

Yes i believe that the Osmania Rioting students are not a Randomized selection that accurately represent a fair distribution of Hyderabad or Telangana. Simple enough...this has been beaten by other posters as well.

Care to explain about these "vested interests" for me? Conspiracies aside plz.

I like the analysis posted earlier by Mupalla i think. Congress interest to crush any valid opposition in the state in the form of the TDP by effectively dividing their vote bank.

Excellent analysis my desi brother!
By your assessment, if the entire population of maharashtra asked for a 10000 crores from goa then it would actually have to comply because it was a minority and hence over-ruled. Have i got your super excellent desi logic right?

Yeah lets assume the whole of Maharashtra lost their head and started demanding money from Goa. I could equally say the whole of Uttar Pradesh thought this was a looney idea, not to mention the rest of India. More sane heads voting yeah? If not the supreme court intervention and order will be final standing.
You want an example that makes more sense...i prefer to think of Sikkims integration into the union. Popular discontent by the people all rebelling against the Chogyal for all the reasons played on this thread and was unpopular. By popular vote Sikkim voted to join the Indian Union.

I don't know brother. The telangana's are refusing to get in line. Refusing to accept a united andhra. Refusing to play the part of a minority and taking up right there. Refusing to continue there inferior line of path's. Refusing to accept domination of the superior and civilized pretenders in the east? It's a simple question dear desi? Do you think andhra should practice the ancient art of ethnic cleaning in telanagana? How you do pacify them you asked.

Central control in Telangana for as long as it takes. Till they can reach a non bloody and rioting solution. I can't remember when such 'ethnic cleansing' occurred anywhere in India. Such is the inherent nature of it's people. Zorastrians, Syrian Christians, Tibetan Buddhists, moslems, Sikhs, Jews, Bahai you name it...all have found a home in India and flourished.

Thing is i've realised that it's easier for one to play the victim role than take the harder line of forging a sane solution. As many have pointed out : a referendum is needed to accurately gauge how the people of Telangana and the rest of Andhra feel as a whole. I believe that some thing of the sort will happen in the next few months...so i for one will disengage and follow the news and its trials....we may yet find a solution that's works for Telangana and in the greater scheme....all Indians.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 25 Dec 2009 21:48

nukavarapu wrote:Thats what the problem is with the whole Telangana Agitation.

The problem is that gandhism or pacifist protest yield nothing in a country like india. You need burn and riot to get attention. That's what i meant when i said "riot becomes the rhyme of the unheard".

nukavarapu wrote:The more a group of people resort to violence, the more others see them as savages.

When was the last time they used violence to be heard? 1969.
The case remained in the can until KCR went to fast and people unleashed a wave of violence in hyderabad. How many knew about the telangana cause before KCR went to fast and violent aftermath?

nukavarapu wrote:I am sorry, but that doesnot answer my question.

You asked me if violence solves anything. Well, the first step to a cause is to be heard. Pacifism didn't seem to work and so they found other ways which are working. So, yes, violence gets you heard. It got them heard and the media posted numerous background articles about the cause in several newspapers.

nukavarapu wrote:But that does not mean that people should start destroying public property.

You ask me like you have become a witness of indian democracy starting just a few days a ago.

nukavarapu wrote:this is the only party with whom you have to negotiate.

So there trying there best to reach an agreement where they won't have to deal with this party ever again.

nukavarapu wrote:Honestly my fellow brother, I entirely blame the whole problem in India to a completely failed leadership.

I think there playing hard to get because of hyderabad and the vested interests of kosta in the region. This agreement and disagreement only means that they are setting a stage from something. And that stage IMO is such that telanagana itself comes to the table and negotiates the bifurcation of hyderabad.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 25 Dec 2009 21:53

Muppalla wrote:Recently when Hyd commissioner closed the University and asked everyone to vacate the hostels, they got a stay from AP-HC. The real corruption these days is not in governance but in law and courts. Unless India fixes its courts, there is no way you can fight the corruption on the street.

AWMTA

. Some said this 10 years ago, some wisened up later and said so later.

Now courts run on legislations, and thats how they MUST run or else we will have total chaos. So in neta-babu-judge thread, pls do propose legislations that you think will fix courts. In case you dont want to draft legislations yourself - no worry - the seniors in RSS/BJP must be having legislations ready and you can post them or post URLs to them. After all, senior chankians in RSS/BJP too must be knowing that courts need to be fixed. And they must be also knowing that only legislations can fix courts. So they must be having drafts of legislations that can possibly fix the courts. I request you to get those drafts from them and post them or URLs to those legislation in neta-babu-judge thread when you are free. Thanks in advance.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 25 Dec 2009 22:06

Muns wrote:Yes i believe that the Osmania Rioting students are not a Randomized selection that accurately represent a fair distribution of Hyderabad or Telangana. Simple enough...this has been beaten by other posters as well.

Catch hold of the people who where at osmania yesterday and prepare a report. "I believe is not the word im looking for". Ten people on this forum claiming ten times that those students were not they appeared to be is not a fact and claim up for discussion. I hope i have myself clear. Im not sure if the english language is what's causing this misunderstanding between us.

Muns wrote:I like the analysis posted earlier by Mupalla i think. Congress interest to crush any valid opposition in the state in the form of the TDP by effectively dividing their vote bank.

Really, then why is the AP congress the main opposition of the telangana cause?

Excellent analysis my desi brother!
By your assessment, if the entire population of maharashtra asked for a 10000 crores from goa then it would actually have to comply because it was a minority and hence over-ruled. Have i got your super excellent desi logic right?

Muns wrote:Yeah lets assume the whole of Maharashtra lost their head and started demanding money from Goa.

I cannot understand this desi logic. Your assessment might also mean that if america protested, india would have to comply. Making borders and boundaries totally useless.

Muns wrote:Till they can reach a non bloody and rioting solution.

That would mean the cause goes back in cold storage.

Muns wrote:As many have pointed out : a referendum is needed to accurately gauge how the people of Telangana and the rest of Andhra feel as a whole.

And that's the game they refuse to play. You played the same game for decades. It's obvious from your posts, that your looking for the paths that leads to no separation, just like AP congress. The telangana's are looking for path's that lead to a separation. Would i be wrong to assume that your one of those who believe in a united andhra?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Dec 2009 22:35

Rahul Mehta wrote: AWMTA . Some said this 10 years ago, some wisened up later and said so later.

Now courts run on legislations, and thats how they MUST run or else we will have total chaos. So in neta-babu-judge thread, pls do propose legislations that you think will fix courts. In case you dont want to draft legislations yourself - no worry - the seniors in RSS/BJP must be having legislations ready and you can post them or post URLs to them. After all, senior chankians in RSS/BJP too must be knowing that courts need to be fixed. And they must be also knowing that only legislations can fix courts. So they must be having drafts of legislations that can possibly fix the courts. I request you to get those drafts from them and post them or URLs to those legislation in neta-babu-judge thread when you are free. Thanks in advance.

RM ji,

I never opposed your message. However, I am not so sure about the solutions (not all) that you propose. I did write papers and sent to BJP/RSS folks via OFBJP. Somethings did go to Modi types but again see we are all small fishes here and considered as vilayati-types. NRIs are considered as almost stupid and impractical folks when it comes to involving is desh. One advantage being in vilayat you will get opps to meet top folks that visit here. Over the past several months I did not miss a single opp to visit and let them know the rot in the country and yes, I did mention the judiciary.

Actually I see a situation that politicians are powerless when it comes to taking on judiciary. Let us take the discussion to the appropriate thread.