Telangana Monitor

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 27 Dec 2009 06:43

Congress is breaking up with TRS.
Congress-TRS were intimidating people like terrorists.

Looks like Telangana will be in back burner.

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 27 Dec 2009 07:06

Satya_anveshi wrote:I agree with you for the most part on CBN. I, for one, especially liked the Janma Bhoomi program. A program that generated mass movement and attempted to bring people's equity in the progress. However, not sure why that didn't get carried on. He has sailed on the base that NTR provided and did a decent job. I wish he could build on it.

Actually, that is exactly one of the key unsaid reasons for CBN's failure.

The whole government machinery had its hands tied down under him and it couldn't make much money under the table. But, worse, they were made to work overtime towards taking the governance closer to people.

Janmaboomi needed a lot of man power, NGOs (including government teachers) were the convenient carriers of this burden. Contrast that with how they got used to making money off books and even better, get paid for inefficiency or spending all day chit-chatting and gossiping. The long ingrained trend of entitlement took a massive hit under CBN and they did not take it lightly.

The very same NGOs are the primary human resources that oversee election process. Guess who the old lady who can't tell head or tail of EVMs goes to now?

On the other hand, YSR gave these folks handsome raises an year or so before the 2009 elections, IOW, YSR took care of them, unlike CBN. How about that!

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 27 Dec 2009 07:22

I heard something very strange from my relative that I didnt' see coming. Here is how the logic for UT goes according to some representatives from Hyd.

Hyd generates 60% of the whole Telangana's revenue. How can we let the 9 districts of Telangana, which contribute mere 40% of the revenues, fleece off of Hyd's revenue!! So if the state is breaking up, then we want to further break away from Telangana and invest all the Hyd's revenues in Hyd itself. Moreover, since telangana claims they will become rich once they get all the water and current, they don't need Hyd anyway!!

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 27 Dec 2009 07:25

>>>The whole government machinery had its hands tied down under him and it couldn't make much money under the table. But, worse, they were made to work overtime towards taking the governance closer to people.

I had heard how strict things got and people were "forced" to be punctual and move files. He also gave focus to e-governance; if I am not mistaken KA and TN caught up little late on that front. By using technology he was paving way for empowering people in the long term.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 27 Dec 2009 08:01

ramana wrote:TDP was caught off guard and is now trying to gain back its feet.

As for PRP, I too had great hopes but they turned out false. The leadership is interested in diverting the anger and dividing the votes for a price. They have led the their votebank astray.

Ramana,

I always give following advice to everyone I meet

1. Never waste hopes in a leader
2. Never waste hopes in a so called organization
3. Put hopes ONLY behind drafts of legislations they propose, if at all they propose.

I dismissed Chiru as useless for day-1 on following grounds :

a. The guy wants to be CM. Good
b. The guy wants citizens to vote for 200 of his men as MLA. Good.
c. What is the MOST important role of MLAs and CM? To draft legislation and EN (=Executive Notifications) to solve problems of citizens. What EN drafts does Chiru have on his website? None. Not even one.

So in past 10 years, Chiru did not find even one minute to draft even one EN to reduce problems of citizens. And yet this guy has courage to present himself as CM candidate !! Are his dances and dialogues going to solve the problems like corruption and nepotism? And will he find time after he becomes CM or a important person in opposition?

Such draft-less leaders are dime a dozen. And whether big or small, they are all useless.

So I next time you shop around for leaders or parties, I have one request. Pls do ask them to give DRAFTS of the executive notifications they propose to solve problems of India or State. Otherwise, you will only end up getting demoguages like NaMo or Chiru or MMS or Shourie. We all citizens of India will end up wasting another five years.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 27 Dec 2009 12:35

I once read a guy talk about how telugu people are so infatuated with there leaders and every time one of them leaders die, they immediately pronounce them as martyrs. Same was the case with YSR. I wonder if someone could debunk that claim.

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 27 Dec 2009 21:12

Time to restructure India
http://www.upiasia.com/Politics/2009/12 ... ndia/8270/

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Dec 2009 02:03

LINK: http://www.telegraphindia.com/1091227/j ... 912918.jsp
From Telegraph, Kolkata

RSS sounds minority warning on statehood demand
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT

New Delhi, Dec. 26: The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh has given a communal twist to the demand for small states, claiming that Muslims see a higher possibility of domination if some of these are created.

“Muslims see a great chance of domination in a new Harit Pradesh; they view it as a throwback to the Nizam days when they speak of Telangana. These have dangerous dimensions,” warns an editorial in the latest edition of the Sangh’s weekly journal, Organiser. The editorial is on the journal’s website; the issue will be published tomorrow.

The article rejects the adoption of “religion and language” as criteria for carving out new states — although religion has never been an official criterion for statehood.

Asked to react, Asaduddin Owaisi, Hyderabad MP and leader of the Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen, said: “We have not publicly stated our position (on Telangana statehood).”

However, sources said that in the Majlis’s internal discussions, a view had been expressed that the BJP could gain ground over time in a Telangana state where Muslims would make up 14 per cent of the population. In undivided Andhra Pradesh, they are 9.4 per cent.

“The Hindutva mindset is very much prevalent in Telangana although the BJP might not be strong in the region at the moment,” a source said.

Rashtriya Lok Dal leader and Harit Pradesh statehood spearhead Ajit Singh dismissed the Sangh’s suggestion. “(Mohan) Bhagwat (the Sangh chief) endorsed Harit Pradesh in a statement in Agra. In any case, we are not asking for it on the basis of caste or religion,” he said.

Ironically, at a time the Sangh is trying to appropriate and run it, the BJP has been the only party, apart from the Telangana Rashtra Samiti (TRS), to have consistently supported statehood for Telangana. {Split personality}

The BJP has long supported the creation of smaller states and expresses pride that Uttarakhand (then Uttaranchal), Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand came into being without controversy during the NDA’s tenure. The party now backs the demand for Gorkhaland following its alliance with the Gorkha Janmukti Morcha during the last Lok Sabha elections.

The Organiser editorial grudgingly endorses the idea of linguistic states. It says that although “unimaginative” to start with, the states evolved into a “workable model over the years”.

“A certain level of emotive integration and development structure emerged over a period which brought both political stability and national integration. This is not the time to rake up fresh controversies. This is not the way other developed or developing countries manage their affairs,” it adds.

The editorial uses economic and political arguments to discredit the case for small states. Its suggested solution is a “strategy for seamless economic and emotional unity and not more states and more political loot at the expense of the taxpayer”.
{Again a different point of view from earlier days.}

The editorial accuses Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi of fomenting the Telangana trouble. “It was Sonia Gandhi’s midnight political harakiri in offering Telangana to the agitating TRS that has helped sprout such demands instantaneously from almost all parts of the country by little-known organisations.”

About TRS president K. Chandrasekhar Rao, it says: “Local politicians are prone to foment and support the demand as it helps their career advancement.”

The editorial claims that Rahul’s attempts at nurturing his political career in Uttar Pradesh by “exploiting the backwardness of Bundelkhand and eastern Uttar Pradesh” has provoked Mayavati to demand the state’s trifurcation.

A note just because it s from RSS does not mean its not true. Maybe there was a case of small states but has to be revisited now.

It would be more complete if they highlighted the BJP's stance on Telangana.

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 28 Dec 2009 12:04

Thanks for the article Ramana. I wonder why the MIM has reserved its stance on this issue till date. Do they have an agenda if and when the T-state is announced or is it just a case of not wanting to be seen to take sides as that may change public opinion on the issue.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 28 Dec 2009 12:40

The article seems to be mirroring my stance......Secondly, people need to think and understand, If greater Hyd is formed, would it not augur the formation of the second Muslim majority state in the Indian union.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 28 Dec 2009 12:49

This thought kept lingering in my head for a long time now and whenever i tried to post it, some reason i pushed for later.

While in telangana, i have noticed hatred between the two communities. Both stay away from each other and each one feels the other's rattling and thus a sort of normalcy is maintained between the two.

Why have the muslims maintained a silence over telangana? Some CT pointers could help to figure what's going on in there psyche.

Also, this region has been under the nizam rule and subjects of persecution for a very long time - A good reason for militant hinduism to thrive there. This is the reason i feel it will eventually fall under the NDA umbrella sooner or later. What do you say?

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 28 Dec 2009 13:14

Acharya wrote: http://www.hardnewsmedia.com/2009/12/3384

This is showing up in Tiger woods news search in google

From the above article,

We had a few former prime ministers who loved their wine and women. Atal Behari Vajpayee, celebrated by the BJP and even the opposition parties as God's good man, lived openly for many years with his friend's wife. Recently, some choice abuses hurled at him by Congress leader, Beni Prasad Verma, compelled Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to apologise in Parliament. PV Narasimha Rao too was rumoured to be having a glad eye.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Dec 2009 13:22

One thing we people are not noticing clearly is the support of Naxals to the Telangana movement. This is a very Imp thing I feel. Why Naxals care of a Saparate State unless they have their own use for that. They dont give a damn for Indian Constitution or any other thing so why support a state formation under it ?

Let us also not forget that this region was (is?) a strong hold of naxals for a long time. Now naxals see a safe heaven for them in this area where they have a long time hold and can collect lot of funds easily in Hyd city.

No Government in Telangana State (if it comes) will have political will to take on naxals. With a red corridor now in place from Nepal to Telangana it may be a dagger in India’s heart. Exactly the thing China would love to push and twist.

One more thing is the Appointment of Narasimhan as AP governor. Is there any message there ???

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Dec 2009 13:46

Sunday, December 27, 2009
People should wage militant struggle for Telangana: Maoists
Press Trust Of India
Hyderabad, December 26, 2009
First Published: 16:17 IST(26/12/2009)
Last Updated: 16:18 IST(26/12/2009)

Print

The Naxalites today came out in support of a separate Telangana, asking the people of the region to "wage a united militant mass struggle" to achieve the statehood.

Azad, the spokesperson of the Central Committee of the outlawed CPI (Maoist), said in a statement that a separate
state of Telangana is an "inalienable right" of the four crore people of the region.

He called for a "united militant mass struggle" against the "fascist Congress regime" and the "betrayers" in various
political garbs to "achieve" a separate Telangana.

Azad lashed out at the Congress, BJP, TDP, CPI and CPI(M) saying "they support Telangana only with the ulterior
motive of gaining some mass base and converting it into their vote banks."

The Naxalite leader also slammed the TRS, saying it wasted more than five years "begging Sonia (Gandhi) and lobbying in the corridors of the Parliament."

"The TRS and its leader KCR are opposed from the very beginning to people's agitation for achieving Telangana state.

Their sole fear was that any mass agitation would become militant and slip out of their hands," Azad alleged.
Even the indefinite fast by KCR was a move aimed at keeping the movement under his control, he claimed.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 28 Dec 2009 13:46

Insurgency cannot be defeated with brute force. Naxals thrive on poor. They cannot garner any consensus without them. Infrastructure development is the key to there defeat. As india grows and developmental works start reaching the places where it didn't, naxalism will loose ground. Killing countless numbers of your enemy is not important(vietnam, afghan). What's important is that you have gained territory. Gaining people's will - consensus is the priority. Our tools are development.

Anyone remember gaddar?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Dec 2009 13:47

Sunday, December 27, 2009
Maoists eye Telangana comeback
Snigdhendu Bhattacharya, Hindustan Times

Kolkata, December 27, 2009
First Published: 00:01 IST(27/12/2009)
Last Updated: 00:06 IST(27/12/2009)

The political turmoil in Andhra Pradesh over Telangana has rekindled Maoists’ hopes for a comeback in a state that was once their stronghold.

As a first step, Communist Party of India (Maoist) leaders are planning to initiate “peoples’ committees” to participate in democratic movements demanding a separate Telangana state.

Telangana is the traditional Naxalite heartland of Andhra Pradesh. But a savage counter-attack by the Greyhounds, a specialised anti-Naxal security force, in 2005 has weakened their dominance in this region.

“People want Telangana and we support it fully. Our cadres will participate in joint democratic movements along with other political parties,” said Koteshwar Rao alias Kishenji, a CPI(Maoist) politburo member, last seen publicly at a rally in the Telangana region in 1978.

He claimed to have spoken to some pro-Telangana politicians over telephone over the last couple of days but declined to reveal their identities.

“As the Maoists are planning to infiltrate the democratic mass movements, it has become necessary for us to keep vigil on activists with whom the Maoists may home some links,” a a senior intelligence officer told Hindustan Times on conditions of anonymity.

Four of the 13-member CPI(Maoist) politburo formed in 2007 are from Karimnagar district, a part of the proposed Telangana region. They are Ganapati (general secretary), Koteshwar Rao, Vasav Rao (alias Vasav Raj) and Cherkuri Rajakumar.

“We discussed formulating a common strategy for the movement,” said Kishenji, but refused to divulge further details.

“We made a strategic retreat in Andhra but it doesn’t mean we have no presence there. Though we lost several leaders our support-base has remained intact,” he added..

The Maoists have successfully employed the strategy Kishenji was hinting at.

In West Bengal’s Lalgarh, the Maoists engineered the formation of the People’s Committee Against Police Atrocities in November 2008 and then took its reins in their hands.

The Maoists dominate three districts in the state – West Midnapore, Bankura and Purulia.

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 28 Dec 2009 13:53

I see 2 scenarios for the MIM here..
1. In a separate Telangana the MIM influence will be greater as it can emerge from being a miniscule member of the Assembly to being a party large enough to be a king-maker. This has a downside too as the Telangana Hindus are known for their aversion to Muslims and in a polarized environment the BJP has to gain.

2. MIM is waiting for the announcement for a separate Telangana to then press for a separate Hyderabad. With around 40% Muslims here they will be the largest or the 2nd largest party here and will get to form Govt atleast once in a while. All Owaisi will have to do is to extend support to UT for Hyd status and the Sonias and KCRs will readily oblige for fear of losing the vote bank.

So its a choice of being kingmaker or King..anything better than being a miniscule party in united AP. The MIM can only gain and so the silence. For if they extend support now the pro-Telangana movement may actually lose some of the support from hardcore Hindus.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Dec 2009 13:58

[quote="anuj"]Insurgency cannot be defeated with brute force. Naxals thrive on poor. They cannot garner any consensus without them. Infrastructure development is the key to there defeat. As india grows and developmental works start reaching the places where it didn't, naxalism will loose ground. Killing countless numbers of your enemy is not important(vietnam, afghan). What's important is that you have gained territory. Gaining people's will - consensus is the priority. Our tools are development.

Agreed that the in the fight against the terrorism Center of Gravity is “People”. I fear any separate state of Telangana will have a very weak government when it comes to fighting naxals. When the state is weak even afraid to speak against the naxals, let along fight them, what security it will provide the people and what development work will be there ?

Have no doubt naxals will never allow any developmental activity like roads schools etc to villages. They know if the peoples problems are solved in democratically way then their entire movement will be exposed as fraudulent to the people. They will ensure that the people suffer a lot and the Indian State is blamed for that. People of Telangana are now made to blame the people of other two regions of the state particularly the Costal district people, in future they will be told that Indian State is responsible for their problems.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Dec 2009 14:00

True. MIM is playing a very very cute game here.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 28 Dec 2009 15:09

So the MIM is in favour of telangana as they feel they'll get greater leverage from there on. We also know MIM gets elected only in ghettos, parts where concentration of the community is greater, specifically hyd region. That means, beside the nest in hyd, the rest of the 14% are scattered all through out the region, outdone by the majority.

The point raised is that once telangana is formed, MIM will ask for a UT with hyd.
What is the criteria for granting a statehood? Earlier they used to carve on linguistic lines. Then economics was adopted - jharkhand and chhattisgarh are perfect examples. Telangana could be the next example. What reasons will MIM use to ask for a statehood? 40% muslims concentration? That is equivalent to a statehood based on religion. Is this a possibility?

I agree that MIM will emerge from the underground once telangana is formed.

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 28 Dec 2009 15:20

My contention is not that MIM will officially seek a separate Hyd based on religion (Muslims are hardly 40% and shrinking in Hyd). All they will say is that they support a separate Hyd to protect Muslim interests...who will question this logic no matter how frivolous? Also unlike a bunch of goons burning a few buses on a varsity campus they will actually start a bloodbath before threatening more. Thats how it always works with MIM.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 28 Dec 2009 15:25

I have trolled in MIM portals and am trying to understand there psyche. I will post a few from the comments sections from these turkolluu's

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http://www.aimim.in/mim-to-take-stand-on-telangana-at-appropriate-time/

Recent Facts:
3 Days back Mr kishanReddy of bjp was saying in media that if there is a division Hyderabad is capital of Telegana only because if Hyderabad is declared as Union territory he says that MUSLIM would become the CM and MIM leaders are gunda’s this is not fare statement. Also he mentioned that now MIM has proven by winning half majority in GHMC elections and they have started dominating the Hyderabad.

So, my only request to all MUSLIM Brothers and Sisters is, if there is division then Hyderabad should be separated as union territory then CM should be MUSLIM Leader, then all the MUSLIMS from rural areas can safely and should gradually settle in HYDERABAD.

Note: I am not saying Telegana Hindus are bad but they are good but somehow they have bad feeling on MUSLIMS, if you see all the properties were gifted to Hindus by only MUSLIMS Ex: Inam lands. So, you people have doubt on MUSLIMS tomorrow there is a chance that you may say get out to Pakistan or different state.

Think for our Next Generation not for now!!! HYDERABAD SHOULD be Union territory and MUSLIM should get Opportunity to became CM

This is interesting.

MIM must support for separate telangana.
If bjp comes into power in the next general elections at center, then its for sure that they will create telangana. This will result in huge support for bjp in the new state of telangana. This is actually one of the reasons why sonia gandhi has taken the decision on telangana.

Well Said Mr.Shareq , the behaviour of these Telangana separatists is hardly like Hyderabadi Tehzeeb, They should stop saying Hyderabad and Telangana is the same. Hyderabad is the Pearl of the State, everyone wants it.

telangana only after a muslim cm is promised with 40% reservation for muslims in all government and central jobs.because muslim percentage is high in this region.kcr can become deputy chief minister for all what he did.so jai telangana only after islam zindabad.

if hyderabad will be a UT do you feel they will give u chance to survive better. NO not at all.

Agar hum musalmaan support nahi karengae to bjp jaise log bahut aasaani se unke dil main zeher bhar saktae hai. In fact bjp is looking for this.
I am not telling that even MIM mlas must resign and do drama like others but we can atleast show sympathy to telangana.

Asad Bhai aap Kab tak khamosh rahenge state 1 mahine se jal raha hai aur mim party ke taraf se kuch qulasa nahi aaaya regarding state telangana
musalman batware ke waqt hi sote rahta bolke suna tha aaj dekh bhi raha hooon..
please support for cause of telangana state in which is having abt 36% of muslims so it can achieve a good stand in stand in telangana for muslims later we can gain reservation and many more muslims will b actively become politically strong..when telangana is created our MIM party will play(inshallah) a vital role in govt formation in future we can get ministries and many more and old city ultimately will be developed,this is d time to wake up my dear muslim bros of telangana and Hyd to fight for our right wat we have not achived from past 60 years..jago musalman jaaago and MIM party
i request MIM party to make a clear stand or spport other parties virtually for the sake of muslims in telangana regoin…

The T-people are fighting with their own brothers stating 50 years, the same fellows will have much more hatred for us because they will say Nizam for 400 years. So far Hyderabad has been a very peaceful beautiful city, I’m afraid for our future with the telangani community. I saw in some online forums, they speak very violently with lot of hate for andhras. BJP is a big danger in telangana, the hindus here are very poor and uneducated, their leaders are rash and crude, they can easily be brainwashed for communal violence against us. Once something happens, some youth from our community will also get tangled. This is very worrying. I hope Barrister Asaduddin Owaisi sahib thinks the consequences of these changes thoroughly. His participation in NDTV interview was very impressive.

HYDERABAD MEIN TELENGANA THA>>PAR TELENGANA MEIN HYDERABAD NAHI

You should go there and read those comments personally. I think these turkolluu's are as clueless of the future as the hindus of telangana themselves. And hence that party has remained silent and refusing to throw there weight at either side. What will follow after the creation is that both groups will clash with each other for more power.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 28 Dec 2009 16:04

SandeepA wrote:My contention is not that MIM will officially seek a separate Hyd based on religion (Muslims are hardly 40% and shrinking in Hyd). All they will say is that they support a separate Hyd to protect Muslim interests...who will question this logic no matter how frivolous?

Asking for a separate state is very easy. But how many people actually get it. How old was the telangana cause anyway? 50+ years? They are also patriots and pledge there allegiance to mother india. Whom do the MIM pledge there allegiance to? I know many people have there own opinions about congress and accuse the party of submitting to faith based politics but for once you need to understand there great game.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 28 Dec 2009 17:01

Asaduddin Owaisi

with gaddar
http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4879 ... 058385.jpg

with SP leaders
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/4554 ... 213324.jpg

with chiru
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/4554 ... 213324.jpg

with YSR
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/1061 ... 397614.jpg

with mufti akmal - qtv - pakistan
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9376 ... 703745.jpg

Anuj

Check PM.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 28 Dec 2009 18:55

^^^ The kind of muck-raking and dirty-linen washing in public must be encouraged. Would do wonders for public morality. Speaking of morality, can Sri Morality Desi (err Morarji Desai) be far behind? Now some sesk, lies and videotape on that great man would be really entertaining, must say.

The man is reported to have boasted about his celibacy to none other than Sri Nixon himself.

TKiran · Post by **TKiran** » 28 Dec 2009 22:32

Anuj,

I thought you are for separate "Telangana". What is this fear for the MIM, does that mean, you want a separate Telangana, and you dont want the consequences attached to it? Or was it a surprise to you that Telangana issue is not as straight forward as you had recently thought it would be?

Do you still feel that United Andhra has been created by Nehru keeping all these things in mind, and we are slowly defeating the Religious and Regional Feelings through Development? If the issue is just the development, then do you see Separate Telangana is the Answer, and the only one? Are you open for United Andhra, with special Economic packages for Telangana? Dont you think uneven Development has been the bane of Indian Democracy, but then, you should give time for the Economic benefits to reach all the regions, and the status quo has been good for the Progress of Telangana, and the rest of the Andhra Pradesh?

You should have watched Roja's speech in SV University Senate hall telecast live in HMTV. She was saying "It is unfortunate for the Telangana vaadis to make Nizam as hero, whereas the root cause for the backwardness of the region was Nizam's rule. It was very good speech after all.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 28 Dec 2009 23:09

@RayC
Point taken. Im not being able to go back and do the needful. Kindly do it for me.

Rgds,
Anuj

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 28 Dec 2009 23:24

anuj wrote:@RayC
Point taken. Im not being able to go back and do the needful. Kindly do it for me.

Rgds,
Anuj

Its alright.

In the heat one does get angry!

I am sure you meant no harm!

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 29 Dec 2009 10:18

BJP antics: While BJP is doing Jai Telengana in Telengana, they want to do Jai Andhra. United AP people in Vijayawada attacked their press meet.

Idiotc Central Congress/BJP strategy people want to create split in United AP movement as if Telugus in Coastal and Rayalaseema were stupid.

Umrao Das · Post by **Umrao Das** » 29 Dec 2009 11:44

BRF should strongly nominate AH PC, Pillai, Moopnar, for Bharat Ratna award for furthering the cause of national (dis) Integration, which even TSP could not sow strong seeds so far.

The foundation (dis) united states of India has been laid. Now powers behind center will directly loot the state instead through CM.
Jai Telengana Jai circar(s) jai Bodoland, jai Gurkha land, jai Vidharba, jai coorg, jai Palaghat, jai Tamil eeelam

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 29 Dec 2009 13:54

I have been framed because of Telangana issue: Tiwari

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 29 Dec 2009 14:59

@TKiran
Can't i know my enemy?

I never said it will be simple. The process will take several years and many obstacles will be met in that period.

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 29 Dec 2009 16:01

Anuj
Appreciate the intellectual honesty and your attempt to make a objective analysis. This is exactly what was lacking in most Telangana proponents previously that led to name calling.
I will put the same question to you that met with stonewalling previously from other posters. What is the need for Telangana. Even if I agree that parts of Telangana have been neglected why is a separate Telangana a solution? Are there no backward regions in the rest of AP? If division is a solution to backwardness why stop at Telangana? Karimnagar may feel neglected compared to Ranga Reddy, the village may feel neglected compared to the city, the wife may feel neglected compared to the husband...where do we stop?
The real reason why Telangana is backward compared to other Telugu cousins is the it fell under the Nizam's yolk for 400yrs. In 50 yrs AP has ensured far more progress than in 400yrs preceeding that. Hyderabad is a economic powerhouse today compared to a communal riots ridden overgrown town that it was even 25-30 yrs ago. Why punish the very people who made it happen and go back to the Nizam's boundaries? The very fact that MIM/Commie are salivating at the tought of a separate Telangana must send the alarm bells ringing isnt?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 29 Dec 2009 17:37

ShyamSP wrote:

BJP antics: While BJP is doing Jai Telengana in Telengana, they want to do Jai Andhra. United AP people in Vijayawada attacked their press meet.

Idiotc Central Congress/BJP strategy people want to create split in United AP movement as if Telugus in Coastal and Rayalaseema were stupid.

Read the Politics Party spin. Read the entire article and not just the headlines

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 29 Dec 2009 17:49

^ Besides other things "Mahatma" Bhagwat has become "Pragmatic" Mohan Bhagwat

sum · Post by **sum** » 29 Dec 2009 19:13

I heard from Usually Impeccable Sources Hu Insisted on Anonymity Because They Are Not Allowed to Speak But Do So Anyway, that these "fasts" include a couple of periods per day of Total Privacy. Apparently the place smells of idli-sambar immediately thereafter.

Interesting, i heard the same from a daily eyewitness at NIMS..

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 29 Dec 2009 20:29

SandeepA wrote:What is the need for Telangana.

Writing the same things over and over again gets tedious after some time and interest is lost. The classic desi logic is to ask the same questions over and over again and check mate him when he answers it differently from the previous.

Andhra's false assurances, flouting agreements and regional discrimination is already there but the main reason why i support the telangana cause, and i have already said this, is because i believe smaller states can be managed better. The jharkhand case is one of corrupt politicians and saying smaller states encourages corruption is a flawed analysis.

I seemed to have got caught in some kind of an emotional out-pour from andhra residents against the division. Many very condescending - telling us that we don't know what's good for. Warning telangana's to stay with andhra. Many calling the cause selfish, that KCR like politicians holds our reins, stole our eye's.

SandeepA wrote:If division is a solution to backwardness why stop at Telangana?

Sustainability. Since water is going to be a major problem in the future, I will not be surprised if states are restructured based on water resources regions have, especially landlocked regions. Linguistic blackmail only prevents us from adapting to change. It's been more than 50 years and we still view language as the dot that connects. You can choose the change to be voluntary or by force. Violence in all hands, embrace it if need be.

SandeepA wrote:where do we stop?

You make it seem like things have gone out of hands. What is good for the indians? Welfare?
My outlook on things is that of a cynic. I do not care if kashmir is granted autonomy. What concerns me is that we have outright control on the rivers in that area. Heck im even fine with substantial troop withdrawal. That saves a lot of lives of indian soldiers. Get the kashmiri's to get there own people to fend for themselves. Interests are what matters. Jammu and ladakh matters. I believe that is what congress is trying to achieve in kashmir. All warfare is(based on) deception. And nobody dresses it better than the congress.

SandeepA wrote:The very fact that MIM/Commie are salivating at the tought of a separate Telangana must send the alarm bells ringing isnt?

AFAIK, the MIM is just as speculative as anyone else. They do not know if they are better under a united andhra or telangana. This change needs to be studied.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Dec 2009 21:56

sum wrote:
I heard from Usually Impeccable Sources Hu Insisted on Anonymity Because They Are Not Allowed to Speak But Do So Anyway, that these "fasts" include a couple of periods per day of Total Privacy. Apparently the place smells of idli-sambar immediately thereafter.
Interesting, i heard the same from a daily eyewitness at NIMS..

He was openly shown with IV tube.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 29 Dec 2009 23:13

anuj wrote:but the main reason why i support the telangana cause, and i have already said this, is because i believe smaller states can be managed better. The jharkhand case is one of corrupt politicians and saying smaller states encourages corruption is a flawed analysis.

Well you said smaller states are better. Then you should be okay with the following states with sound agreement on sharing waters and capital cost for two other Capitols

Rayala Andhra = Rayalaseema+Mahabubnagar+Hyderbad+RR+Bellary
Samudra Andhra = Coastal Andhra+Khammam+Nalgonda
Kakatiya Andhra = Adilabad+Karimnagar+Warangal+Medak+Nizambad

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 30 Dec 2009 00:00

ShyamSP, why are you bringing bellary into picture again and again? Please edit your posts. Let us not go OT again. Keep it limited to Andhra where the entire issue is. People of Bellary haven't asked for anything and have no bone in this battle. Telanagana wants to be a separate state and Rayalseema and Coastal andhra are opposing it. Bellary isn't even part of the issue and hasn't sided with anyone. Why do you insist on raising that issue everytime?