Telangana Monitor

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 31 Dec 2009 05:57

ShyamSP wrote:
Well I don't think GOI can finance other Capitols so at best Hyderabad will be kept UT or free zone until other Capitol cities are developed in case separation. Ill luck would have it Hyderabad would not have any development if there is a separation as funds need to be drained away for development of other cities.

I think it will be a good thing. If Tier II and Tier III cities are developed, we will have more cities developed and less reliance on mega cities cooling down the property values in Hyderabad.

One of the reasons for the failure of Telangana is everything has been developed in Hyderabad. No one wants to talk about this issue because that will not support their argument of demonizing Andhras to get a new state.

You don't want that to repeat again. We need to develop Nellore, Vizag, Vijayawada, Kurnool and set up super fast transport connecting these places. I think it would be awesome to create such infrastructure will greatly benefit huge number of people in Andhra/Seema. If that cools down Hyderabad, it will be good.

While people in AP are burning the trains and buses, Chinese boast the fastest train. Lets learn some lessons from those guys.
http://news.holidayhypermarket.co.uk/Ch ... 48715.html

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 31 Dec 2009 07:19

Muppalla wrote:Satya_anveshi garu,

You made the following comment

Satya_anveshi wrote: In regard to Telangana, I will go with the leaders the people choose and take it from there. They may be immature but will learn as we go along. Only other alternative is to outsource and we have seen the results of that.
For example, being APCC president, D Srinivas has grown, did something for his constituency (Nizamabad) and continued to win from it...he can be given this mantle. Again, no relation to him whatsoever. I live too far away from the ground zero and am a no name nobody. TIWIW.
Outsourced to whom and what are the results that you are referring to? I am interested in your analysis regarding outsourced leadership.

Muppala garu,

The context is obvious. Barring for a small time, the AP was led by non-Telangana folks for significant majority of the time and we also noted that how disparate the development in the regions of AP. I hope it needs no repeatition.

The "outsourced" is from the point of view of Telanganas where they were either muzzled or cozy with the outside leadership. It obviously did not work. That's what I meant.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 31 Dec 2009 07:21

ShyamSP wrote:Well I don't think GOI can finance other Capitols so at best Hyderabad will be kept UT or free zone until other Capitol cities are developed in case separation. Ill luck would have it Hyderabad would not have any development if there is a separation as funds need to be drained away for development of other cities.

Do you care to elaborate what kind of "finances" does one needs to setup capitals? Do we have any data from the recently created states?

IMO, it is a trivial issue and the least of the problems. We should be easily able to resolve it.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 31 Dec 2009 07:28

vijayk wrote: I think it will be a good thing. If Tier II and Tier III cities are developed, we will have more cities developed and less reliance on mega cities cooling down the property values in Hyderabad.
One of the reasons for the failure of Telangana is everything has been developed in Hyderabad. No one wants to talk about this issue because that will not support their argument of demonizing Andhras to get a new state.

This is what we need to be thinking. We need to focus on how we can achieve the next level of development. In Telangana, look at the districts of Mahabubnagar, Medak, Adilabad, Karimnagar etc. When are they going to get attention they need.

Similarly, coastal AP has Srikakulam, Vijayanaragarm, and Prakasam etc that need more focus and attention to grow. Within Rayalaseema, the four district headquarters are fine but otherwise, urban/rural disparity needs to be corrected.

While people in AP are burning the trains and buses, Chinese boast the fastest train. Lets learn some lessons from those guys.
http://news.holidayhypermarket.co.uk/Ch ... 48715.html

Come on...you are kidding with this kind of comparison?

Apt commentary would be that folks in AP are fighting to get their kind of governance and fighting for their rights. Can the people in China do something like this? Do they have this fundamental right?

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 31 Dec 2009 10:23

guys, apart from politicians and media eds and cine actors, what about the rest of the voices in AP? what are they saying? citizens' associations, intellectuals, elders and such? mebbe even retired babus, university professors and so on... what are the thinking people of AP saying? atleast what about panchayati heads?

ps: ravi thanks.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 31 Dec 2009 11:49

From the open display of attitudes here, it is apparent that andhra will loose telangana "eventually". However, that is not saddening. What's saddening to see is how andhra keep's insistently building itself to be the hated one for the future generations. 25 years from now, im sure there will be a lot of CT's for this hatred, blaming the politicians and the long hand italy. And for some reason, i won't be noticing them. There will be no curiosity left. I used it all up 25 years ago. I had already made up my mind.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 31 Dec 2009 12:28

Telangana XXX: Reporting from Hyderabad

Ground Zero: Osmania University Arts College

Osmania University symbolizes history of this region. It was the only university of this region before Independence built during Nizam regime. And today, the Arts College fountains and lawns with the historic façade of the building in the background become the Ground Zero for Telangana Movement. From here, the student body of all Telangana universities and colleges control and spearhead the movement. Every politician worth his salt has to prove himself on this hallowed ground. The elected leaders come here to get their fame and legitimacy. They need to be endorsed in this place so that they can be part of Telangana Movement. If they are rejected, like the way the students kicked a TDP MLA, Nagam Janardhana Reddy, then they are booed by the rest of Telangana.

Anyone who visits this place cannot help but feel charged. The atmosphere is electric. You visit this ground, see the students talking and educating the others on the plight of Telangana, hear them singing the ballads which is one of the hallmarks of Telangana culture, you cannot have any more doubts about formation of Telangana. It is bound to happen, and it is palpable here- the passion, the ardor, the optimism is in the air. Their fight will not go in vain.

Of course, it looks like a battleground, with shattered glasses, broken furniture on the ground, with Rapid Action Force battalions standing some distance away, with news channels permanently stationed with their vans topped by satellite dishes.

After I met the people who are carrying out this Movement on the battlefield, it is very clear that they don’t need further education on plight of Telangana. In fact, I stand in front of them to hear what they have to say. They give out facts, they have statistics, they have accounts of history on their lips. You don’t have to convince them. They are out there to convince you.

This is undoubtedly a people’s movement. Many people of Telangana, students, even a young boy whom I met in a different context seem to roll out statistics. It almost looks like every Telangana protestor knows what he is fighting for. They don’t talk about KCR or TRS. It is all about water, it is about jobs, it is about injustice, and it is about loss of self-respect, discrimination and marginalization.

Hitec City: IT Protests

Today, I have witnessed the commitment of the IT professionals of Telangana people. This was headed by Telangana IT Forum (TITF). Some of the members have resigned their jobs to dedicate themselves to this cause 100% of their time. The agitation was carried out in front of the Hitec City building in Hyderabad, the symbol of IT industry in this city.

Once the protests started, the media was there within the first few minutes. The agitators explained that they support separation of Telangana and professed their faith in a vibrant IT industry in the new state and dismissed the rumors of industry fleeing the city as mere blackmail. And within few minutes after that, the police arrived and arrested the protestors and herded them into the jeeps

Many policemen are however sympathizers of Telangana Movement. One of them explained that the whole process will take few hours and that there is nothing to worry. He added, ‘why should you worry? You are fighting for a just cause’.

The protestors did not stop chanting ‘Jai Telangana’ and singing the songs even inside the police custody. The media appeared again to interview the protestors inside the police compound. After 2-3 hours of custody during which the formalities were done, including the mug shots, the agitators were let go.

I was hoping that there would be much bigger show of strength. Some of the IT professionals explained that though there was much wider support for the cause not many of them showed up for the protests. Many of them are shy or afraid to admit they support a separate Telangana. They feel they will have to pay the price in IT industry during yearly valuations and increments if they disclose their support. I still believe that that there should no fear or embarrassment to show one’s support for a just cause.

Fun Protests

Many towns of Telangana have seen fun-filled protests. Some of them were playing cricket, some played kho-kho and kabaddi. Even women were playing these games. They were doing this on the streets and roads with loud cheering from everyone around them. Protestors occasionally launched into Telangana ballads and songs. I am happy to see this picnicking on the streets.

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 31 Dec 2009 12:36

The feeling at the ground level is that a seperate Telangana is inevitable. If not in weeks or months then surely within years. People are veering to the idea that if the Telanganas want a split so desperately then there is no point looking for the ideal of unity. I suspect this was the view with regard to Pakistan in 1947.
Hyd will never be allowed to be a part of Telangana. Add to that huge chunks of border districts like Mahbubnagar, Nalgonda and Khammam rightfully belong to Rayalaseema and Costa and will be carved out. This will leave the new T-state with a very small and barren area than being dreamt of now. And with the inevitable move of the film industry etc its a lose-lose situation for Telangana.

vina · Post by **vina** » 31 Dec 2009 12:50

Yawn.. All this R&D (Rhona and Dhona) about Tiwari and Telengana and all is just par for the course. All part of normal life in Demo ' crazee onree.

Look at the going ons in my two "other states" (namely NY and CA) (TN and KA being "my" states)..

Not too far from Yindia after all aye ?

December 31, 2009
Editorial
Failed State
New Yorkers should be appalled at their failed state government, particularly their corrupt and clueless Legislature. Scandal and irresponsibility have been Albany’s creed for decades. This year, the gang added another outrage to the list: complete fiscal incompetence.

The only solace is this: The entire Legislature is up for re-election in 2010. And unless there is a sudden turnaround — and, so far, we see few signs of it — New Yorkers have no choice but to vote out all the lawmakers and start over.

If there is any doubt left, here are just a few reminders of this year’s worst of the worst:

WHAT, US WORRY? New York has been on the brink of economic collapse, but the Legislature blithely ignored the problem for months. When the deficit reached a truly alarming $3.2 billion, the lawmakers grudgingly agreed to last-minute fixes while carefully protecting their political buddies and donors. That meant rich school districts on Long Island kept their money (until Gov. David Paterson imposed a temporary, across-the-board reduction), but 500,000 schoolchildren in New York City — many of whom can’t afford it — will now have to pay to ride the subway to class.

Even after draining state savings accounts and using federal stimulus dollars that were supposed to be spent next year, they still fell $500 million short. Next year is now a few hours away. The state is already in the red, and it could be facing a $9 billion deficit by March. Yet there is no sign that legislative leaders have spent much time thinking about how to address this disaster.

SCANDALS “R” THEM There were so many legislative scandals this year that we’re not sure where to start.

First, there were the revelations — surfacing only after the Democrats took control in January — about how Senate Republicans had abused their 40-year majority and secretly used state money to pursue party business. Among the discoveries: a secret plant, with 75 employees, to print Republicans’ mail to constituents; a Republican-only television studio; secret Republican Party research staff. The Democrats have closed a few of these scandalous operations, but they have not been energetic about scaling back their own perks now that they’re in charge.

The Republicans’ longtime Senate leader, Joseph Bruno, stepped down in 2008 before he was indicted on eight counts of exploiting his office for personal gain. Earlier this month, Mr. Bruno was convicted on two felony counts involving “theft of honest services.”

The trial offered more instructive and stomach-turning details about the sleazy way that Albany operates. Mr. Bruno ran his private consulting firm out of his posh, taxpayer-financed Capitol office. His Senate secretary, other staff, phones, cars and copy machines were all used to get business and campaign contributions from private clients, some of whom came to him for help in writing and passing legislation.

Worst of all, it took federal prosecutors to uncover these abuses because there was no explicit New York State law forbidding them.

We don’t want to prolong the pain, but let’s not forget the Republican coup in June, abetted by two of the least-qualified Democrats: Senators Pedro Espada Jr. of the Bronx and Hiram Monserrate of Queens. Never mind that Mr. Espada was — and is — being investigated for allegedly living outside his district and failing to report campaign contributions. And Mr. Monserrate already had been indicted for assaulting his girlfriend, who had been slashed — somehow — in his apartment by a broken glass.

Nothing got done for more than a month until these two switched back to the Democratic side. Mr. Espada negotiated another title and salary bonus and more money for his district. He failed, after wide protest, to slip his son into a $120,000-a-year state job.

As for Mr. Monserrate, he was convicted of assaulting his girlfriend after dragging her through his apartment lobby and then driving her past several emergency rooms to find a hospital where he would not be recognized. His fellow senators are expected to decide next month whether to oust him. If they have any shame left, they must. He is clearly not qualified to represent New Yorkers.

O.K., MAYBE A TOUCH UP So do any of them get it? Not many. After all this sleaze and incompetence, John Sampson, who leads the Democratic majority in the Senate, suggested this week that legislators might need a public relations “makeover.” No superficial paint job can cover such a rotten core. What is needed is a sweeping top-to-bottom reform.

Democratic leaders say they are considering changes, including an ethics reform package that, with more muscle, might make it possible to rein in some of Albany’s worst abuses. There is talk about taming the state’s anything-goes campaign finance system, but it will take more than talk and press releases this time.

Almost no one is focusing on two other major problems: the gerrymandering that allows so many undeserving incumbents to hold on to power and Albany’s relentless greed and influence-peddling.

Lawmakers must create a nonpartisan commission for fair redistricting before the maps are redrawn in 2011. Without it, the state will go another decade with no real political competition. They must establish a small, expert financial board to advise the state comptroller on pensions, one unswayed by political pressure or favoritism. And they must enact tough new disclosure laws that require lawmakers to fully, accurately and publicly report the sources of all their outside income.

New Yorkers have waited in vain for these reforms. Every year lawmakers promise to do better. And every year Albany has gotten worse. Legislators can either start doing the public’s work now, or voters should turn them out. The election is less a year away.

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This article is part of a series examining the political and structural crisis in the New York State government. This series can be read at nytimes.com/editorials.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Dec 2009 13:49

have to hand in a prize to the old boy - being a fighter at 85 and taking on three young women at one time is a task beyond our powers even at less than half his age.

pramodkumarca · Post by **pramodkumarca** » 31 Dec 2009 15:51

[quote="nukavarapuIf Today they are being accussed of diverting all resources from Telangana, !!![/quote]

this is not just accusation

- but it is fact that the telangana resources diverted

check the below link on facts
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24646752/108- ... -Telangana

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 31 Dec 2009 17:00

pramodkumarca wrote: check the below link on facts
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24646752/108- ... -Telangana

Thats the ready-reckoner being handed over by TRS members to brainwash people. Please do not let this discussion degenerate further. You seem to be new here. Please do not troll.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 31 Dec 2009 17:43

From http://www.scribd.com/doc/24646752/108- ... -Telangana

108 Facts about Telangana - need and justification

1) Catchment area of Krishna Basin
Rayalaseema 18% Andhra 13% Telangana 69%

>>>Allocation of Krishna water as per tribunal recommendation
Rayalaseema 16% Andhra 49% Telangana 35%

>>>Actual utilization!!!
Rayalaseema 13% Andhra 87% Telangana less than 1%

2) Godavari river catchment area Telangana 79% (1170 TMC) Andhra 21% (310 TMC)

Utilization of Godavari waters
Andhra 23% (320 TMC i.e. 110% of allotted)
Telangana 9.6 % (143 TMC)
405 TMC is being diverted to Andhra via Polavaram project

3) Total loss of water share of Telangana merging with Andhra is 1125 TMC.With estimation of 1 TMC to serve 10,000 acres, total cultivation land Telangana lost is 11, 25,000 acres.

4) There are 10 districts in Telangana, 9 in Andhra, 4 in Rayalaseema. Out of these 7 districts in Telangana, 3 in Andhra and 1 in Rayalaseema are considered severely backward districts which means 70% of districts in Telangana are backward while in Andhra - 35% and in Rayalaseema - 25%

5) 65% of Industries in Telangana are owned by Andhra.One Telangana person (close relative of Sri Jaipal Reddy) tried to start industry in west Godavari, he was harassed and tormented so much that he gave it up half way through.

6) All Telangana region CM's combined tenure is hardly 6 years.

7) From past 50 years AP got nearly 40 major projects in which 37 went to Seemandhra region

8.) Telangana side:
- SLBC (30 TMC) not taken up
- SLBC beyond Musi river (20 TMC) not taken up
- RDS extension (10 TMC) not taken up

- LIS to high level areas in Mahabubnagar not taken up
- Bheema LIS 20 TMC under construction for many years

Seemandhra side:
- Telugu Ganga project (29 TMC) completed
- SRBC (19 TMC) completed
- KC canal extension completed (10 TMC)
- Upland areas Brahmamgari matham reservoir (10 TMC) completed
- SRBC beyond Gorakallu (20TMC) under construction
- Puchintala evaporation losses (5 TMC) under construction
- Veligonda not recommended project (40 TMC) almost completed
- Handrineeva sujala sarvanthi not recommended (38 TMC) almost completed
- Galerunagari sujala sravanthi not recommended (38 TMC) is under construction

9) Pothireddypadu regulator was originally created for drinking water to Chennai with 5
TMC. Gradually 5 projects were ‘piggy backed’ & augmented to canal. In the name of Chennai drinking water, Rayalaseema leaders wanted to take away the entire waters of Srisailam reservoir.

10) Veligonda project is being constructed on war footing basis. This will drain 60 TMC of water from Srisailam. This project is not allotted (water share by tribunal) and do not have clearance till now.

11) Handrineeva Srujana Sravanthi, not allotted not cleared project is going on war footing now. It will run through chittoor via Anantapur.

12) SLBC - Srisailam Left Bank Canal, despite of all recommendations, Clearances and permissions never started. This would have provided 30 TMC for 3 Lakh acres in Nalgonda district.

13) Manuguru thermal power station proposed by Central govt due to proximity of coal mines was lobbied to be shifted to Vijayawada, transporting coal from telangana (singareni). This led to shortage of power due to pump set usage by Telangana farmers.

14) Ramagundam super thermal power station (2500 MW) transferred to NTPC,crippling power ownership of state by which we get only 27% of power produced and rest is pooled in national grid.

15) Dummugudem Hydal power station never even started construction – this remained a promise on paper.

16) Icchampalli power (975 MW) project never started.

17) Power regulatory mechanisms – 220 KV, 132 KV, 32 KV substations and lines never realized in Telangana region.

18) If Mumbai is not a free-zone, Delhi is not a freezone, Kolkatta is not a free zone, Chennai is not a free zone, Pune is not a freezone … why should Hyderabad be a freezone ? Andhra enthusiasts hailing Hydrabad being a free zone, were demanding entire Telangana should be freezone.

19) Telangana covers 41.7% area, Seemandhra 58.3% area. Telangana has 40.5% population , Seemandhra 59.5%. Telangana revenue is 53% to the state exchequer.

20) 1953 Andhra Pradesh the area irrigated under TANKS in the Telangana 11 lakh acres. Now it is hardly 6.5 lakh acres.

21) Andhra 9 districts – funds spent on education – Rs 1308.56 Crores Rayalaseema 4 dist – funds spent on education – Rs 382.87 Crores Telangana 10 districts – funds spent on education – Rs 163.39 Crores

22) Literacy – Andhra (9 districts) 42%, Rayalaseema (4 districts) 38%, Telangana (10 districts) 30%

23) Andhra 9 districts – schools 26,800
Rayalaseema 4 dist – schools 13,000
Telangana 10 dist – 17,954

24) Hospitals Andhra (9 dist) 666, Rayalaseema (4 dist) 303, Telangana (10 dist) 270

25) Total Govt employees – Seemandhra (13 districts) 9 lakhs, Telangana (10 dist) 3 lakhs

26) IAS/IPS/IFS officers (civil services) – Andhra (9 dist) 225, Rayalaseema (4 dist) 50, Telangana (10 dist) 60

27) Industries (small/medium/large) – Andhra (9 dist) 6,100, Rayalaseema (4 dist) 773, Telangana (10 dist) 1250

28) Power Utilization Andhra (9 dist) 54% - Rayalaseema (4 dist) 23% - Telangana (10 dist) 23%

29) Nagarjuna sagar project – Andhra submerged land = 0, cultilavation land 20 lakh acres. Telangana submerged land = 100%, cultivation land 4.5 lakh acres

30) Polavaram project is submerging 250 small villages in Telangana, displacing 5 lakh tribal’s are going to provide lakhs of acres cultivation land to Andhra.

31) Grant-in-aid Private Degree colleges Andhra (9 dist) - 96, Rayalaseema (4 dist) - 32, Telangana (10 dist) - 30

32) There are more than 130 posts of heads of departments. Out of them only 7 or 8 are held by the officers belonging to the Telangana region.

33) Sales Tax collection (2001- 2002) – Andhra 21%, Rayalaseema 5%, Telangana 74%

34) Excise Collections (2001-2002) – Andhra 24%, Rayalaseema 10%, Telangana 66%

35) APPSC – Andhra Pradesh public service commission board members so far, 8 from Andhra, 6 from Rayalaseema, 2 from Telangana.

36) Telanganites constitutes 23% in all industries in Telangana area, 0% in Andhra, Rayalaseema area

37) All housing board colonies in capital city – 93% people are from Seemandhra.

38) Govt Libraries – Andhra (9 districts) 630, Rayalaseema (4 dist) 243,Telangana (10 dist) 450.

39) In 70’s – Jublee hills lands were purchased at Rs 105 per acre. Total acres 1400. All Telanganites living in that area were thrown out, jublee hills housing society did not have a single Telanganite.

40) Panchayat Raj divisions – Andhra (9 dist) 883, Rayalaseema (4 dist) 342,Telangana (10 dist) 295.

41) Most backward district in AP is Mahabubnagar, was granted 4% white ration cards. Most developed dist in AP is West Godavari dist was given 7% white ration cards.

42) 100% power of Vizag thermal (simhadri) is being used for Andhra only, but 27% power of Ramagundam is being used for A.P.

43) 82% of farmers are depending on private loans in Telangana

44) If development was the justification for keeping an alien ruler in place, India should have never been free from British rule !

45) There was no single drop of water in Palanadu 350yrs ago, it was like a desert. Now, entire Telangana canal irrigation land is less than Guntur dist alone.

46) Rs 60 crores of surplus budget was the pride of Telangana in 1948. When Andhra state was formed – it had only 1 Crore in hand given by Madras govt, and Shri Raj Gopalachari said ‘Get lost from here’.

47) Dr.B.R.Ambedkar suggested Hyderabad second capitol of India. He said Hyderabad is better than Delhi.

48) Government buys sugar cane from farmers (per quintal) in Andhra – Rs 1200, Telangana –Rs 890 Andhra lands are canal cultivated – Telangana depend on bore wells.

49) Andhrites converted Telangana -WAKF lands in to revenue lands in the era of real- estate boom, Lanco is main culprit in this, remember Muslim brothers shouted ‘go back’ at Lagadapati ?

50) 150 forts are about to ruin in the Telangana which were built by various dynasties. They are symbols of great cultural heritage.

51) Hyd Central University is filled with Andhraits – every Central University in India has 60% reserved for local region. Except HCU.

52) Pranahita project, there is no staff, no sufficient funding, don’t even have proper office, but Andhra ruler says project will be completed 4yrs

53) There are never any difficulties in construction of irrigation projects in Andhra. But why irregularities, corruption, delays in Telangana projects?

54) Mahabubnagar 35lakhs population, migration 14 lakhs, 350km of Krishna stretch, there is no drinking water or irrigation water.

55) How many JNTU colleges should be there in 10 dist of Telangana, if 2 are in 4 districts of Rayalaseema ?

56) AP dairy buys milk from farmers from Andhra Rs 24.30, Telangana Rs 22.30

57) 450 tribal villages, millions of tons of limestone, rich minerals, lot of natural biodiversity…are going to submerge if Polavaram project is built

58) Telangana is bigger than 24 states. Total official countries in the world are 194. Telangana will be bigger than 160 countries.

59) Seemandhra revenue 38.5% - Expenditure 49%, Telangana revenue 61.5% Expenditure 51%

60) Jallianwala bagh, General Dyer, 1919 yr - 379 shot dead. Telangana, Kasu Brahmananda Reddy, 1969 - 370 students shot dead.

61) WHO declared Nalgonda dist affected with fluorisis so much that it is moving towards No Man Zone.

62) While merging with Andhra leaders agreed to continue Mulki rules in Telangana. As per this 100% employees in Telangana should be from Telangana only.

63) Nizam formulated mulki rules in 1919, a person to get job in they must be Telangana from 15yrs,but now Andhra rulers reduced the period to 4yrs.

64) Seemandhrites got 28000 jobs in Telangana by getting bogus mulki certificates between 1956-1968. Between 1975 to 1985 again 58000 by violating presidential order.

65) In 1969 students/employees agitated against 28000 jobs by Andhra. Andhra rulers killed 370 students.

66) In 1972, Andhra rulers managed to cancel supreme court judgment by parliament, then 6 point formula was introduced for jobs. As per this formula Telangana split into zone 5, zone 6.

67) As per presidential order Telangana people should get reservation 80% dist posts,70% zonal posts, 60% Gazetted posts. Remaining 20%,30%,40% shall be open to other regions – what’s happening now ?

68) In 1985, 610 GO for transfer of 58000 employs from Telangana, but this GO is never implemented. That too 610 GO is restricted to 102 departments only, out of 250 govt departments.

69) In 2001, Chandra Babu Naidu (CM) appointed Girglani Commission which submitted report in 2004, that 2 lakh Seemandhra employs are working in Telangana.

70) Only 23% Singareni coal is used in Telangana. Remaining 77% is being drained out to other places.

71) Per Capita Funds allocation to Student in universities.
SV University - Rs. 37500 | Andhra University - Rs 35500 | SK University - Rs 25000 | Nagarjuna University - Rs 22700 | OU - Rs 17400 | K.U - Rs 14000

72) Cultivation land (Lakh Acres) Before 1956, Andhra 30.65, Telangana 18.20 In 2004, Andhra 69.27, Telangana 18.00

73) Andhrites love for Hyd is like Pakistan’s love for Kashmir. They are ready to go to any extent to capture it.

74) Kothagudem thermal power station sabotaged on purpose to obtain repair contracts to
Andhra contractors in 1978, this is confirmed in single man commission (Sundar Ramaiah commission – 1979)

75) All APSEB scams occurred so far at high level in board are targeted towards Telangana power supply and distribution, never to Andhra or Rayalaseema region. Higher officials found guilty by Vimal Lal commission, the recommendation were never implemented.

76) Technically it is possible to develop water grid to benefit Telangana, Rayalaseema and Andhra regions – it would match in comparison with Mississippi river water system (USA), Three Gorges river system (China),Nile river (Aswan dam) Africa and Rhine river system Europe. Similar models were conceived by intellectuals but are trashed by Andhra rulers and pseudo intellectuals because they will benefit Telangana.

77) 1969 - after Jai Telangana movement 'All Party Accord' was formulated, scrapped within 6 months. Than 8-point formula, 5-point formula were announced. then supreme court upheld Mulki rules. Andhra elites could not digest it, launched Jai Andhra movement. Central govt yielded as usual to elites tactics, then 6-point formula. Even this is being violated royally many times, robbing Telangana its rightfulness.

78) Nagarjuna Sagar initially meant to benefit Andhra and Telangana. Later on it is modified in such a way that 75% of the benefit is accruing to Andhra reducing the share of Telangana region to just 25%. Andhra settlers own 50% of these 25% utilization lands.

79) Singur project was originally designed to meet primarily the irrigation needs of Medak and Nizamabad districts. But it is now solely used for meeting the requirements of capital city.

80) Jurala Project which is the first project on river Krishna meant for Telangana, is the smallest of all the projects built on this river. The Bachawat Tribunal allocated just 17.5 TMC ft. water for this project, and the state government reduced its storage capacity to 60% ft. But the actual utilization so far has not been more than 10%

81) Rajolibanda Diversion Scheme, was to irrigate 87500 acres in Mahabubnagar. The Bachawat Tribunal also allocated 15.90 TMC ft. of water for this project. This water has to pass through a canal in Raichur district of Karnataka State. After the formation of Andhra Pradesh landlords of Rayalaseema blasted the gates with bombs and diverted water to their land. Since then Govt never even tried to reconstruct the gates.

82) Devadula Project, provides water for 5 lakh acres, was promised to be finished in 5 yrs in 2001, yet to begin work. The funniest fact is, Sriram sagar is yet to be completed for last 40 yrs which provides water for just 4 lakh acres. Telangana people are supposed to believe the promise.

83) Two major projects proposed on river Godavari are Ichampally and Polavaram. Ichampally is meant for Telangana and Polavaram for Andhra.The irrigation potential of Polavaram Project would be 6 to 7 times more than the irrigation potential of Ichampally. Ichampally is going to be primarily a power project not a irrigation project !

84) Andhra lands are irrigated by canal irrigation i.e. with tax payer’s money. Andhra farmer pays Rs 200 - 300 per annum as water charges. Telangana lands are irrigated by bore wells, entire cost is on the farmer . Digging, power, bore well, motor, pipes. He struggles with fluctuations in power supplies with irregularities and pathetic power distribution pattern in Telangana.

85) Technological University was actually started in Warangal but was shifted to Hyderabad, Open University was originally Nalgonda district but was later shifted Hyd. The same state level universities University of Health Sciences, Mahila University and the University of Dravidian Languages were allowed to stay in Seemandhra - not moved to Capital city.

86) Twelve milk chilling plants established by the erstwhile Telangana Regional Committee in different parts of Telangana have been abruptly closed down showing lack of funds as a reason.

87) Ramagundam is in heart of coal belt … Fertilizer plant is closed showing areason as poor quality of coal. NTPC is running with same coal, VTPS is running with same coal. Subsequently, Fertilizer plants are started in Nellore and Andhra.

88) Based on the proportionality at least 40% of jobs, i.e. 6 lakhs, should have gone to Telangana. But the total number of jobs now occupied by them is less than 3 lakhs.

89) 1972, PV Narasimha Rao made an attempt to implement the verdict of Supreme Court validating the Mulki Rules. The verdict was in favor of Telangana. Seemandhra gave outrageous reaction, he lost his Chief Ministership.

91) Daily wage workers working in industries – from Andhra (9 districts) 3.16 lakhs, from Rayalaseema (4 districts)– 0.7 lakhs, Telangana (10 district) 0.81 lakhs.

92) Andhra controlled media never highlighted migration of 15 lakh people out of 24lakh population from Mahabubnagar due to draught conditions. T. Anjaiah CM of AP from Telangana region was presented as a buffoon in dailies and cartoons.

93) At the time of merger Andhra leaders persuaded Telangana leaders by offering many safeguards against exploitation. They also passed a Unanimous Resolution’ in November 1955 in Andhra Assembly in support of safeguards and subsequently they put these safeguards in an Agreement on 20th February. 1956 which is known as “Gentlemen’s Agreement”. All are trashed soon after the agreement is signed.

94) Proportional representation says Telangana should get 42% jobs in the Secretariat, but only 9% are working now. How can a people representative, MLA, MLC can get a work done if 91% do not help ?

95) Metro Rail project is being designed dilapidating 5000 shops, 2500 houses,147 schools, 120 hospitals, 60 Temples/Masjid/Churches. Historical monuments will disappear. All shops and complexes throughout Metro rail route are with Seemandhra thugs.

96) 1947 India got Independence. 1948 Indian Army did police action to dethrone Nizam. Hyd state existed from 1949 to 1956. Telangana merged with Andhra against its wishes in1956. Telangana has nothing to do with Potti Sriramulu.

97) Telangana Sayudha Poratam, (Telangana armed struggle) was against Nizam facist rule, 4000 people died - inspired all subsequent land movements in West Bengal, Kerala and Tripura and paved way for formation of Communist governments in those States. This is never acknowledged by Seemandhra rulers so far.

98) Despite 69% Krishna, 79% Godavari flows through Telangana, irrigation cost is Rs.1500/acre. 13% of Krishna, 21% Godavari flows through Andhra irrigation cost is Rs.150/acre.

99) Per capita income of Madhya Pradesh: Rs 18,051. Chattisgarh formed in 2000. Per capita income of Chhattisgarh in 2008-09 - Rs. 29,621. Recently formed smaller states are catching up with Haryana is 71%, Himachal is 81% and Uttarakhand is 75% - now Jharkhand 58%, Chhattisgarh 63%. Also, Infant mortality UP 67%, Uttarakhand 44%.

100) year 2008 Targeted growth rate & achieved: bigger states: MP 7% - 4.3%; UP 7.6% - 4.6%; Bihar 6.2% 4.7% smaller states: Chhattisgarh 6.1% - 9.2%; Jharkhand 6.9% - 11.1% Uttaranchal 6.8% - 8.8%

101) Since 1956 to date, the additional irrigation potential created in Telangana is only 5%

102) There are 10,000+ Industrial units in Telangana, 1200 are owned by Telanganites, 6500 are owned by Seemandhra, rest are by outsiders.

103) Proportionally Telangana should be given about 43% in budget allocation, Since 1953, it never exceeded 30%. Yet Telangana contributes 42% of revenue to the state exchequer.

104) Nizamsagar was built in 1931 to serve Nizamabad and Medak about 2.7 lakh acres of land. It was neglected for maintenance and improvements, now satellite images prove that all its 83 tributaries, 243 distributaries have been silted up and eroded. World bank sanctioned 30 crores for the project, which was never spent. The project now going to be almost useless.

105) In Andhra region every year two crops are cultivated because of water availability, in Telangana a single crop will be cultivated with great difficulty.

106) Technical institutions wise, 26 are in Telangana, 54 are in Andhra. 20 polytechnics in Telangana, 70 in Andhra. 2 Medical colleges in Telangana, 6 in Andhra.

107) British build Railways, Administrative Services, Post and Telegraph, installed democratic institutions, judiciary, rule of law, and built the cities of Kolkata,Mumbai and Chennai, and New Delhi. British did not claim any of these when they had to leave India. Seemandhra are making big hue and cry clamoring for Hyderabad claiming they have built the city. In 400 yrs of Hyderabad history, how many years did they contribute the 'development' ?

108) Hyderabad - demographic expansion can never be considered as a development. It’s natural growth. It is like a girl who is 10 yrs now will attain 15yrs of age after 5 yrs – can we call it development ? Also, its not just Hyd which is developed … all big/medium cities in India are in development path.

I hope we can add citations to these claims. All proponents of telangana, it is your home work.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 31 Dec 2009 17:46

Satya_anveshi wrote:
vijayk wrote:
While people in AP are burning the trains and buses, Chinese boast the fastest train. Lets learn some lessons from those guys.
http://news.holidayhypermarket.co.uk/Ch ... 48715.html
Come on...you are kidding with this kind of comparison?

Apt commentary would be that folks in AP are fighting to get their kind of governance and fighting for their rights. Can the people in China do something like this? Do they have this fundamental right?

It is not a fundamental right to burn buses, properties and trains whether it is Mumbai or Hyderabad or Vijayawada.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 31 Dec 2009 18:05

SandeepA wrote:The feeling at the ground level is that a seperate Telangana is inevitable. If not in weeks or months then surely within years. People are veering to the idea that if the Telanganas want a split so desperately then there is no point looking for the ideal of unity. I suspect this was the view with regard to Pakistan in 1947.
Hyd will never be allowed to be a part of Telangana. Add to that huge chunks of border districts like Mahbubnagar, Nalgonda and Khammam rightfully belong to Rayalaseema and Costa and will be carved out. This will leave the new T-state with a very small and barren area than being dreamt of now. And with the inevitable move of the film industry etc its a lose-lose situation for Telangana.

Why won't Hyderabad be allowed to be a part of Telangana? If Telangana comes, split the revenues of Hyderabad for some time and develop other areas. I think one of the reasons for this division is moving everything to Hyderabad. Let us learn a lesson from it and move forward.

The idea is to make it happen quickly and negotiate in good faith so that both parties come out as victors in the end. If I go down, I will take you down attitude is a lose-lose proposition.

I think people should come to terms with reality rather than keep on fighting. What are we going to achieve? I never thought Hyderabad and B'lore would be uttered in the same sentence ever. Other than few public sectors, we had none in AP. B'lore and Madras had every industry we wanted in AP. They had IIT, IISc, major indutries, public sectors. We achieved the unthinkable starting in early 90s.

A monkey trying to mediate two warring cats will end up with all the bread. Let us not be the ones who will blind each other.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 31 Dec 2009 18:28

vijayk wrote:
SandeepA wrote:The feeling at the ground level is that a seperate Telangana is inevitable. If not in weeks or months then surely within years. People are veering to the idea that if the Telanganas want a split so desperately then there is no point looking for the ideal of unity. I suspect this was the view with regard to Pakistan in 1947.
Hyd will never be allowed to be a part of Telangana. Add to that huge chunks of border districts like Mahbubnagar, Nalgonda and Khammam rightfully belong to Rayalaseema and Costa and will be carved out. This will leave the new T-state with a very small and barren area than being dreamt of now. And with the inevitable move of the film industry etc its a lose-lose situation for Telangana.
Why won't Hyderabad be allowed to be a part of Telangana? If Telangana comes, split the revenues of Hyderabad for some time and develop other areas. I think one of the reasons for this division is moving everything to Hyderabad. Let us learn a lesson from it and move forward.

The idea is to make it happen quickly and negotiate in good faith so that both parties come out as victors in the end. If I go down, I will take you down attitude is a lose-lose proposition.

I think people should come to terms with reality rather than keep on fighting. What are we going to achieve? I never thought Hyderabad and B'lore would be uttered in the same sentence ever. Other than few public sectors, we had none in AP. B'lore and Madras had every industry we wanted in AP. They had IIT, IISc, major indutries, public sectors. We achieved the unthinkable starting in early 90s.

A monkey trying to mediate two warring cats will end up with all the bread. Let us not be the ones who will blind each other.

Personally, I believe an united AP is in interest of all, one prime reason being the division of waters after seperation. If folks are talking about division based on the economic depravity and they think they will do better seperated, then why should Hyderabad bear the brunt and share its revenues. If Telangana proponents think they can sustain themselves then go ahead without Hyd.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 31 Dec 2009 18:35

anuj wrote:From http://www.scribd.com/doc/24646752/108- ... -Telangana

108 Facts about Telangana - need and justification

1) Catchment area of Krishna Basin
Rayalaseema 18% Andhra 13% Telangana 69%

>>>Allocation of Krishna water as per tribunal recommendation
Rayalaseema 16% Andhra 49% Telangana 35%

>>>Actual utilization!!!
Rayalaseema 13% Andhra 87% Telangana less than 1%

I hope we can add citations to these claims. All proponents of telangana, it is your home work.

50+% of Krishna river catchment is in Maharastra and Karnataka. Source is below.
http://waterresources.kar.nic.in/river_systems.htm
This is propaganda unless sustained by facts ...
First you say it is facts, then you state that you need citations for these claims.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 31 Dec 2009 19:27

milindc wrote:50+% of Krishna river catchment is in Maharastra and Karnataka. Source is below.
http://waterresources.kar.nic.in/river_systems.htm
This is propaganda unless sustained by facts ...
First you say it is facts, then you state that you need citations for these claims.

The river flows past AP and through other states but you missed the point. Writer is talking about the catchment within the AP region. Read it again.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 31 Dec 2009 20:52

Singhaji you have a lot of time to catch up.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 31 Dec 2009 22:02

vijayk wrote:It is not a fundamental right to burn buses, properties and trains whether it is Mumbai or Hyderabad or Vijayawada.

I am not condoning vandalism. However, Is this the first time we are seeing such type of vandalism? Is it that uncommon in India?

For far meaner issues haven't we see massive bloodbath in vijaywada? Whatever happened when Peratala ravi got killed? What happened in Bangalore when Raj kumar died? What happened during Belgaum dispute between KS/MS? What happened in Chennai during the LTTE showdown?

While it is regrettable to say the least why isolate this incident.

Secondly, anyone care to elaborate on why the Telugu film industry was attacked? It is a public fact that Telugu Film industry is heavily, heavily controlled, operated by non-Telangana.

Being a non-political entity, why were they attacked? Did they not remain apolitical or took sides in the dispute?
I am trying to understand.
Will look it up and see what was the cause? People here are only posting the effect part?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 31 Dec 2009 22:13

Though I hate violence and associated attacks, I agree with Telangana folks here. Every stupid two-bit movement has associated violence in it as the leaders who lead these agitation involve thughs and anti-social elements. It is because India is lacking a good leadership who can even think thru even if they are agitating for a perceived genuine cause.

In Karnataka yesterday, there is violence even when an actor died of natural causes. Hence violence is just part of our life.

Discussing about actual violence is just distraction.

Discussing about KCR's tantrums or call for violence is okay as he is visible leader with whom center is negotiating and he himself calling for violence should be treated seriously.

Trivia - The first bus in India was burn by Late K.C.Abraham a true congressman to create law-and-order problem in Kerala to dismiss Namboodripad government.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 31 Dec 2009 22:35

Moderation note:

Thread cleaned up. Please avoid personal attacks and name calling.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 31 Dec 2009 22:39

Satya_anveshi wrote: Secondly, anyone care to elaborate on why the Telugu film industry was attacked? It is a public fact that Telugu Film industry is heavily, heavily controlled, operated by non-Telangana.

Being a non-political entity, why were they attacked? Did they not remain apolitical or took sides in the dispute?
I am trying to understand.
Will look it up and see what was the cause? People here are only posting the effect part?

Now you admit there were attacks. Previously when I said you said it was a scare tactic.

So a few movie personalities saying United AP sitting in Hyderabad is bad and deserved to be attacked? Saying United AP is taking sides? Isn't Telengana inside AP? There are visuals of video and media statements on what they said and did.

Let's not go low to the extent of suppressing freedom of speech of Indians.

Don't forget TFI moved from then Madras to Hyderabad at the request of Chenna Reddy and Vengal Rao (both from Telengana districts). It was controlled by non-Telenganas before, that situation might be same even now. TFI would have employed in single digits when it was in Madras, it employs 60+% of Telengana people now. Also they trained them for all the skills needed for movie industry.

They invested in Hyderbad and provided training and employment. Now they deserved to be attacked when they say United AP?

By same login if Tomorrow, Haryana or UP lays claim on Delhi and tells them they are settlers (as most would be) and to go back and attacks them if they say United India. So they would deserved to be attacked because they took side of United India.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 31 Dec 2009 22:48

ShyamSP wrote:Now you admit there were attacks. Previously when I said you said it is scare tactic.
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Your logic doesn't seem right.

The "scare tactics" comment was made in response to the movement of telugu film industry out of Hyd. I haven't had a chance (yet) to look at the news reports on the voilence yet (just as I honestly mentioned in my previous post)

My logic is consistent because I still remain dispassionate about this issue and looking at it from the region perspective. You are reacting to my comments instead of comments themselves.

By same login if Tomorrow, Haryana or UP lays claim on Delhi and tells them they are settlers (as most would be) and to go back and attacks them if they say United India. So they would deserved to be attacked because they took side of United India.

Again, I refuse to go down that path (scope creep). They ( Haryana/UP vs Delhi) do not have same history, political relevance, and even legitimacy as that of Telangana. How long are we going to keep repeating these things ad nauseum.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 31 Dec 2009 23:43

Satya_anveshi wrote: Secondly, anyone care to elaborate on why the Telugu film industry was attacked? It is a public fact that Telugu Film industry is heavily, heavily controlled, operated by non-Telangana.

Being a non-political entity, why were they attacked? Did they not remain apolitical or took sides in the dispute?
I am trying to understand.
Will look it up and see what was the cause? People here are only posting the effect part?

Satya! Let me come come up with an analogy based on your logic!

A girls got raped and files a case. Our esteemed lawyer argues for the perpetrator.

Honey... You got raped? Oh! What were you wearing? You see! When you wear short skirts, what do you expect?

Oh! You were wearing a proper sari. May be you were in the wrong place in the wrong time to lure the young man. It is all your fault.

No! You were at home.

Oh! I get it! It is all your fault you see... Calling a man to home at the middle of night?

He broke open the door!

Well! Why were you all alone? It is all your parents and your fault. They should not leave such a young and pretty woman at home all alone. You deserved it...

Oh no! He killed your parents and raped you!

OK! I got it... You were from that caste and you were so beautiful. See! It is all your fault.. Your caste people harassed their caste for long time. Now I know. You deserved it all this time.

Pay your fine to the young man, apologize and go home. He will forgive you.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 31 Dec 2009 23:56

Satya_anveshi garu,

To your question regarding why Telugu Film industry was attacked? Very simple - Mohan Babu and Chiru supported United AP. Hence the movies/sets/studio belonging to them and their sons are attacked.

KCR made a statement that they only lost property and they should be happy because they are still alive. Definitly Telanganites will not want to start Telangana with such language. I guess.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 31 Dec 2009 23:59

vijayk wrote:Satya! Let me come come up with an analogy based on your logic!

No that is a pathetic attempt to misinterpret my argument. I am saying I have no knowledge as of now as to what the girl did.

It is one thing if she got raped while living her own life (provocative or not) but it is entirely different if she was lying naked in a major unstable area and shouting/challenging anyone if anyone has guts to rape her. In a society like India, there may be many who may accept her challenge and satisfy her.

You need to review your analogy.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 01 Jan 2010 00:08

Muppalla wrote:Satya_anveshi garu,

To your question regarding why Telugu Film industry was attacked? Very simple - Mohan Babu and Chiru supported United AP. Hence the movies/sets/studio belonging to them and their sons are attacked.

KCR made a statement that they only lost property and they should be happy because they are still alive. Definitly Telanganites will not want to start Telangana with such language. I guess.

OK. There was a mix of politics and business there (openly) in an unstable situation and I am also learning that the impact was limited to only those responsible.

Now, what part of this is inconsistent with everything else we see in India. Again, I would like to mention that this is not to be taken as condoning any such voilent actions. Can anyone confidently say that if this were to happen in Andhra (or any part of India), such voilent incidents may not have happened?

vasu_ray · Post by **vasu_ray** » 01 Jan 2010 00:23

Assuming that Telengana came up,

like Umrao das garu, I have a gripe that AP always got a raw deal as far as central funds are concerned in spite of sending truck loads of ruling party MPs, they always came back as fattened chickens instead of anything to show for

Telangana leaders are in the same league and worse their numbers are reduced so the leverage you can exert at center for funds if any will go down. It will be a mistake to assume that Telengana will have a special budget, most likely the current Andhra budget will be divided

to Anuj's point that prime movers are always driven by low tax rates, why did TATA chose Singur, WB for the Nano plant before settling in Gujarat? why then did Reliance not setup their refinery in K-G basin area instead of laying a gas pipeline all the way to Gujarat?

I don't think places are being chosen based on tax cuts alone

Telangana without many local origin prime movers will have difficulty attracting outside investments and they are making things worse by vitiating the investing atmosphere in Hyderabad, please don't burn bridges in the first place

Even for the existing industries in that region, the needs of manpower cannot be met by the local institutions

Having govt. offices manned by Telangana origin people is not going to solve the development problem

Focus on a larger UPSC cadre and PVNR kind of leadership, unfortunately as a common man you don't control the latter inspite of 'democracy'

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 01 Jan 2010 00:30

vasu_ray wrote:Having govt. offices manned by Telangana origin people is not going to solve the development problem

You are deliberately or inadvertantly saying that Telangana people are not capable of governing themselves. You will never know until governance is transferred to those folks.

Having tried the earlier method, if it did not work, why shouldn't we try other solution which was documented and thought about previously? That too when Telangana folks themselves are asking for it. If anything, all the region facts and analyses is in favor of Telangana.

Good or bad results, they will be accountable to envision their future and now will have means to realize it.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 01 Jan 2010 00:31

Satya_anveshi wrote:
vijayk wrote:Satya! Let me come come up with an analogy based on your logic!
No that is a pathetic attempt to misinterpret my argument. I am saying I have no knowledge as of now as to what the girl did.

It is one thing if she got raped while living her own life (provocative or not) but it is entirely different if she was lying naked in a major unstable area and shouting/challenging anyone if anyone has guts to rape her. In a society like India, there may be many who may accept her challenge and satisfy her.

You need to review your analogy.

I don't need review my analogy. You have to stop blaming the victims and stand up to what is right and wrong. Just because you are a supporter of Telangana, you should not condone the perpetrators.

In one post this is your pathetic argument on hearing Telugu Film will move from Hyderabad

Satya_anveshi wrote:What difference does it make? What is the reason for their insecurity? If they feel insecure for what they may have done to their Telangana brothers, it is reflection of their own self. If it is in their interest to move out, who the F are we to stop it. Go right ahead.

When Bal Thackrey started attacking South Indians in Bombay, no one in India spoke. Tamils! For them it is all Tamils... Screw them...
When he started attacking Muslims later, there were protests from Secular lobby but some in the press even condoned it.
When he started attacking North Indians, then the press babus in middle India got angry.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 01 Jan 2010 00:50

@vasu_ray
Swaminathan aiyar had an editorial over this a few weeks ago. It has already been posted here a few pages back but i'll post it again.

Consider the record of three states carved out of larger ones in 2000 — Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh and Uttarakhand.

Ignore data for the first few transitional years. Instead, focus on the average growth rate of gross state domestic product for the last five years, from 2004-05 to 2008-09 .

Amazingly, all three new states have grown fabulously fast. Uttarakhand has averaged 9.31% growth annually, Jharkhand 8.45%, and Chattisgarh 7.35%. All three states belong to what was historically called the BIMARU zone, a slough of despond where humans and economies stagnated. Out of this stagnant pool have now emerged highly dynamic states.

Some caveats are in order. The central government exempted industries in Uttarakhand from excise duty, a concession already applicable to other hill states such as Himachal Pradesh , Kashmir and the northeastern states.

Many big industries rushed to Uttarakhand for the tax break, giving the state’s growth an artificial boost. Still, Uttarakhand easily outperformed Himachal Pradesh (8.47%) and Kashmir (5.98%). Remember, Uttarakhand was once considered the poorest, most backward part of UP. After statehood, it has become a growth champion.

Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh were the most backward parts of Bihar and Madhya Pradesh, which in turn were among the most backward states of India.

Yet, after becoming separate states, Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh have emerged as industrial dynamos. Both have large tribal belts with pathetic infrastructure. In Chhattisgarh, four-fifths of habitations lack road access. Both states have ample minerals like coal and iron ore.

But this was not an economic advantage when they were part of larger states. Rather, their mineral revenues were diverted to state capitals. This diversion ended after they became separate states.

Their rapid economic growth has been tainted by massive corruption. Sheer money power enabled an independent, Madhu Koda, to become chief minister of Jharkhand and rule for years. He handed out dozens of mining licences , instead of auctioning them to the highest bidder.

Jharkhand and Chattisgarh are not growing fast simply through mining. They have experienced a manufacturing boom. Read what research firm Indicus Analytica has to show:

“Since 2001, Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh have moved up into the top 10 (industrial states), displacing Rajasthan and Punjab... The phenomenal growth in these two states has seen the share of manufacturing in their GDP rise dramatically as they have attracted industrial projects.

Looking at the share of income that originates in the manufacturing sector, these two states have shown higher levels than Maharashtra , Haryana and Tamil Nadu... Being newer and smaller states, they responded more rapidly than their larger — and in some cases better endowed — neighbours... Raipur in Chhattisgarh has now entered the top 10 districts of India in manufacturing, with two industrial estates at Urla and Siltara”.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Opi ... ms?curpg=1

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Jan 2010 00:53

Regarding Swaminathan Ayier article This was my reply

Swaminathan Iyer is a great hand at spinning the data to the point he wants to prove and he sometimes is woefully wrong. We never have shortage of story-spinners. The new fashion for the story tellers is taking some spinnable data and tell a story as though he is the greatest statistician.

Jharkhand is a state that is the revenue earner for Bihar before split. Almost most of the big industires and mines are in Jharkhand. Dhanbad, Bokaro, Jamshedpur, Ranch are few to name. Bihar became revenue nude after the split. Jharkand may be the smallest state with multiple huge steel cities and also massive mines. In case of Jharkhand, it should have grown even more under the current economic model and instead it is suffering from huge Maoist menace and also political instability. In fact when this state split was first proposed, Laloo yadav said "on my death body". To save his chair after he lost the election in combined Bihar, he said okay. After the split he said you are taking away the Lakshmi of Bihar. It is truely a Lakshmi. Jharkand's potential if explored properly, it should cross all rich states of India and may be competing with Gujarat. But the state looks so bad in terms of law and order and thugs-as-politicians.

In case of Uttarakhand also, it is the same story. It is rich region of the poor UP and obviously it will do better as a state.

It is only that one started analyzing the data of these new states and no Swaminathan Iyer never bothered to analyze the data before the split.

In case of Chattisgarh, both Chattisgargh and MP are doing pretty fine and they would have done the same irrespective of the split. Chattisgargh did not get any special except for shortage of police forces. Maoists rule the roost in couple of districts. May be there is a case that it would have done better had there been no split as the combined state could have raised huge resources in combat the menace.

In summary Jharkhand or Chattisgargh did not emerge as any industrial dynamos as he is spinning but they are just as they are like in the past.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 01 Jan 2010 01:01

@Muppalla
Swami is person who doesn't like change. Wait. I do not remember him talking about change. He writes about the current system and follows that with how's and the why's. Regarding your claims about him having a great hand at spinning the data to the point he wants to prove and he sometimes is woefully wrong - i do not know what to say about that. It looks like a personal opinion to me.

Muppalla wrote:KCR made a statement that they only lost property and they should be happy because they are still alive. Definitly Telanganites will not want to start Telangana with such language. I guess.

KCR has somehow emerged as the HERO for delivering the statehood of telangana. The new state under his party will be a nightmare. Though it is probably what will happen. They are mere local politicians and the only purpose of there existence is the formation of telangana. They have no understanding of economics. There only contribution to the region can be a few roads and bridges - infrastructure stuff. He is obviously not like the charismatic narendra modi. Not even a lallu who at least has some understanding of commerce. My only hope is that the region gets indirectly controlled(or advised) by one of the two major parties under the UPA or the NDA banner.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 01 Jan 2010 01:12

Satya_anveshi wrote:
Muppalla wrote:Satya_anveshi garu,

To your question regarding why Telugu Film industry was attacked? Very simple - Mohan Babu and Chiru supported United AP. Hence the movies/sets/studio belonging to them and their sons are attacked.

KCR made a statement that they only lost property and they should be happy because they are still alive. Definitly Telanganites will not want to start Telangana with such language. I guess.
OK. There was a mix of politics and business there (openly) in an unstable situation and I am also learning that the impact was limited to only those responsible.

Now, what part of this is inconsistent with everything else we see in India. Again, I would like to mention that this is not to be taken as condoning any such voilent actions. Can anyone confidently say that if this were to happen in Andhra (or any part of India), such voilent incidents may not have happened?

Telenagana if they had approached peacefully and without hate would have been achieved. Now they brought to situation the other side outright rejects it 100%. Attacks on people and properties hardened non-Telenganas against splitting the state. Rayalaseema people were intially asking for Seperate Rayalaseema, they no longer go by that stand but go by United AP stand.

If center is looking at passing in Assembly, it is clear that Telengana is failed to be passed in Assembly. Now models and procedures as to how Chattisgarh, Jharkhan, Uttaranchal were formed no longer apply. All of them were created when respective assemblies passed resolutions with vast majority for split. Without SRC, there are no models and procedures exit (unless they are agreed first) to create. GOI can't do nothing until modalities are agreed by bot sides.

Under these circumstances (it is no longer parties decision but people's decision), it is up to Telengana vadis to choose to hate and attack Andhra people and properties to be stuck with them without Telengana or be peaceful and convince other side to give them state.

That is choice between Paki style and Gandhi style. First they need to erase Paki style and convince the other side that they want to separate not based on hate.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Jan 2010 01:18

@Anuj,
Read my message, leave what I said about Swami. A very long time back he was well analyzed on Econimic forum threads.

For a change from Telangana here is something about Vidarbha.

Congress MP says demand for Vidarbha stronger than T

New Delhi: With the Centre calling political parties for talks over Telangana, a senior Congress MP from Vidarbha on Thursday demanded that it should also call leaders from the region for such an interaction as the feelings of people from the area for separate statehood are "more strong" than Telangana.

Congress leader and Union Minister Vilas Muttemwar said that the first State Reorganisation Commission had unambiguously favoured creation of a separate Vidarbha and the case for carving it out was suggested more vociferously than that of Telangana. He called the Centre "unjust and undemocratic" for its decision of not calling Vidarbha leaders for talks.

"We do not want to live with Maharashtra as the last 50 years have given us only neglect and backwardness leading to Naxalism in five districts and suicides of 40,000 farmers," he said.

"As we believe in Mahatma Gandhi, we are making the demand peacefully but they should not underestimate us. Our feelings are stronger than Telangana," he added.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 01 Jan 2010 01:40

ShyamSP wrote:Telenagana if they had approached peacefully

It has been peaceful for most of it's existence. The ruling govt. even made promises with telangana that i'll be given statehood before the term ends but was always deceived so to speak. This is just a reaction. The cause was already there.

ShyamSP wrote:Now they brought to situation the other side outright rejects it 100%.

It's a known fact. That is one of the reasons why referendums are not being accepted. They are sure to loose out on a decision based on consensus. So if centre is deceiving and the state asks for referendums then the only way they see is by force. I hope you understand what im saying here and wish you don't loose your marbles this time.

ShyamSP wrote:GOI can't do nothing until modalities are agreed by bot sides.

Absolutely dhimmified propaganda. You need to start reading those agreements between the two regions for once. Telangana has a legit right to ask for statehood by citing those flouted agreements that were made when it acceded with andhra. Formation of new states do not require assembly resolutions and that has been proven in the case of the formation of gujarat. KCR has even threatened to sue those people who propagate that false propaganda.

vasu_ray · Post by **vasu_ray** » 01 Jan 2010 01:52

Satya_anveshi wrote:
vasu_ray wrote:Having govt. offices manned by Telangana origin people is not going to solve the development problem
You are deliberately or inadvertantly saying that Telangana people are not capable of governing themselves. You will never know until governance is transferred to those folks.

Having tried the earlier method, if it did not work, why shouldn't we try other solution which was documented and thought about previously? That too when Telangana folks themselves are asking for it. If anything, all the region facts and analyses is in favor of Telangana.

Good or bad results, they will be accountable to envision their future and now will have means to realize it.

my comment was in this context, the state govt. provides services and infrastructure and beyond that you need strong private industry, without the latter the growth curve is not appreciable as you know the story of PSUs and to make matters worse trade unions backed by Maoists

your point is correct in that within the AP region the Telangana region was starved of funds for a long time, having a separate govt. will help with that (don't rule out alternatives either!) however that's not the whole story

Scaring away investor confidence and also divving up the central funds given the leverage of Telangana leadership is not going to help

vasu_ray · Post by **vasu_ray** » 01 Jan 2010 02:04

CT alert:

The Telangana issue came to the fore after YSR's death and the way this demand resonates with Chinese 'India Balkanization plan', one has to wonder the instability the Maoists would cause once the state is formed, the 'right' leaders planted in the democratic system can shield their activities

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Jan 2010 02:17

Funny news alert:
http://www.politicsparty.com/2010_predictions.php

Read the new states section.

The BJP will launch a massive agitation for the creation of New States of Vidarbha with Nagapur as the Capital, Western Maharashtra with Pune as the Capital, Gorkha Pradesh, Kolkata City State, North Kerala with Kozhikode as Capital, Central Kerala with Cochin as Capital and Bodo Pradesh in Assam.
A New High-Voltage agitation will be launched by Non-Maharashtrians to make Mumbai in to a City State .
The Regional Forces will launch a successful agitation for the separate State of the Southern Districts of Tamilnadu with Madurai as the Capital. Karunanidhi’s son Azhagiri will try to hijack the Thevars led agitation to try to project himself as the Chief Minister Candidate.
An agitation for the creation of a New State of Kongunadu comprising of Hill Region of Niligiris and Districts of Salem , Erode, Namakkal and dharmapuri in Tamilnadu, with Coimbatore as the Capital of Kongunadu will gain unstoppable momentum.
A successful agitation will be launched to create the New State of Maru Pradesh in West Rajasthan .
The agitations to reorganise Uttar Pradesh in to 5 Small States will be massive in Western Uttar Pradesh with Jats, Lodhs, Dalits and Muslims participating with fervour.
Telangana State will not be created.