Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 02 Jan 2010 03:17

Look at the ads I get.

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 02 Jan 2010 03:18

bart wrote:
Look at it this way, the more such incidents take place in Porkistan, the less resources they have to perpetrate such incidents in India, and they also reduce the value of Porkistan to the Anglo-Saxons as an anti-India tool. Since this Jihadi infrastructure is created and sustained by them, and passively supported/endorsed by most of their 'innocent' population, while ideally no innocent should die, I would rather their innocents die than ours. If it takes killing 10,000 innocents on their side to save one of ours I would still prefer the above.

Could not have put it better.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 02 Jan 2010 03:27

Jamwal,

TOI is real toilet. Even now guys in the new page are beginning to trash the paki nonsense in TOI, but they will play the game. Maybe some IEDmubaraks in combo with the jang will set them right

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 02 Jan 2010 04:14

One of the dude in that karachi video looks like kasab's long lost twin.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 Jan 2010 04:24

jamwal wrote:Seems like Pakis have invested heavily on high quality CCTV equipment.

It's also called reality TV, 24X7 with no commercial breaks.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 Jan 2010 04:25

amdavadi wrote:One of the dude in that karachi video looks like kasab's long lost twin.

You found Amar Singh? Call Zain "Mahdi" Hamid (pbuh) immediately.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 02 Jan 2010 04:29

Sorry Anupmullah.

I found amar singh & his twin brother ram singh. I got my information from the video soodra & dalit have send me.
Also lot of yindoo afsar who are christian,low cast brahmin have send me video telling me the same.

James B · Post by **James B** » 02 Jan 2010 05:06

Pakistan's army: as inept as it is corrupt

The army has a long history of strategic incompetence stretching back to the very first war the country fought with India in 1948. On that occasion, tribal militants from the regions now in open insurrection against Pakistan flooded into Indian-controlled Kashmir. After numerically overwhelming the Indian soldiers there, they promptly went on a binge of rape and looting while the army looked on.

Again at war with India, in 1965, the better-equipped Pakistan army lost more ground, and tanks, than its adversary. But perhaps the army's darkest moment was the 1971 war that lead to the creation of Bangladesh. That conflict saw Pakistan troops involved in widespread acts of extermination against the indigenous Bengali population of what was, at the time, known as East Pakistan.

The Hamoodur Rahman Commission held in Pakistan following that war found large swathes of the high command to be deeply negligent – the commander of Pakistani forces in East Pakistan, the report revealed, was involved in sexual misconduct even as his troops were killing, and being killed, on the battlefield.

In 1999, an ambitious Pakistani general by the name of Pervez Musharraf devised the tactically brilliant, but strategically near-suicidal, plan to invade Kargil, an Indian mountain post in Kashmir. That gamble nearly led to nuclear war, and almost certainly led to a military coup later that year.

How does one explain these failures? There can be no one explanation. But if there is an overriding message from these debacles, it is that the army is ill-equipped to defend the state because it has captured much of the bedrock of the state to which it is totally unaccountable.

archan · Post by **archan** » 02 Jan 2010 05:29

James B wrote:Pakistan's army: as inept as it is corrupt

How does one explain these failures?

The folks at timesonline need to get in touch with Zaid Zaman Hamid sahab for the proper explanation. They will realize that those were not really failures, but victories. They will also learn how Pakistan is going to be _the_ place to be in the next 20 years. Explosive growth, followed by lasting peace is in the offing.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 02 Jan 2010 06:06

Now straight from horse's(Zardari) mouth about threats to him.

This man being "Sindhi Baloch" has now become central to both provinces of Sindh and Balochistan. Clearly, Pubjab vs Sindh- Baloch axis is being formed and taking more prominance than ever.

Anti-Baloch clique wants ‘my removal’: Zardari

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 02 Jan 2010 06:13

Hope of peace ---- Dr Syed Jaffar Ahmed

Indian raw material can come to Pakistan, and Pakistani products can find in India, an eight-time bigger market. A new set of political relations can also develop from trade relations which may also help lead to the solution of the Kashmir issue. Some more helpful measures can be the visits of the parliamentarians of the two countries, politicians’ interaction with other country’s institutions and centres of public opinion; and the ties between the civil societies of the two countries. In a fast changing world and an age of information revolution, the two countries can offer their sources of knowledge for the benefit of each other. The writers and artists have been visiting each other, but not very smoothly. They can best represent the creative faculties of their societies and be their best ambassadors. Sending books and magazines across the border has become almost impossible, given the inflated cost of postage. The traffic of students and teachers is also negligible.

Hence, people on both sides are unaware of each other’s publications and research outputs of the universities. Unfortunately, we know each other very little. There are five or six centres of Pakistan studies in Indian universities, but in Pakistan there is none solely devoted to Indian studies. It means that we do not want to know much about a country which we regard as our adversary. {why would you? when you think you can get rid of them } The attitude needs change as all diplomatic as well as other socio-economic relations between nations in today’s world rely heavily on informed knowledge and intensive research.

With respect to improvement of Indo-Pak relations, the aspects which can pose a challenge in the future need to be examined. On top of the list is the environmental issue, affecting water and food resources. Environmentalists agree that the future conflicts in the world, particularly in South Asia, will be on the issue of water. If this is so, India and Pakistan need to start serious dialogue about water resources, before they reach a crisis point, and while doing so, they should keep in view the larger interest of human welfare, and rise above the narrow considerations often glossed with nationalistic verbiage.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 02 Jan 2010 06:18

The military angle ---- Brig (r) Asif Alvi
Apologies posting in full.

Dr Farrukh Saleem in his article “India-Pakistan: military angle” (January 1) has made a very pragmatic observation that Pakistan cannot continue to race a race it cannot win. This is the issue our intelligentsia needs to consider seriously as an ever-increasing military budget is getting beyond the sustainable limits. The point is that a state does not ensure security by simply beefing up its military potential. War in the modern times is influenced by many factors, such as international security environment and the economic strength of the rivals. At the bilateral level both the adversaries escalate war to an extent that favourable conditions are created for diplomacy to take over.

Let us imagine that war breaks out between India and Pakistan. There are two possibilities for the initiation of war – either Pakistan initiates it to achieve Kashmir’s independence or India chooses to attack Pakistan after an escalation in the insurgency in Kashmir. The international security environment in our region does not suit the US and the western powers for a local conflict. Both the countries have nuclear arsenals which pose a serious threat to the world. Hence, no war can last more than two weeks as international pressure will force the two countries not to cross the nuclear threshold. To complement this Pakistan does not have enough stamina to go for a long war. As far as war aims are concerned, it is absolutely beyond logic to consider that Kashmir will ever be won through military might. Conversely, India has the capability to end the war at a favourable note, thus accruing political and diplomatic benefits. So going by this analysis and geographic compulsions, any future war between Pakistan and India will be short and will confine to 50 kilometres astride the borders.

Why should war be fought if it does not fulfil political aims? For the sake of security, we need defence forces which could deter the enemy. But we already have nuclear deterrence. Therefore, the existing defence structure is not in line with the reality — it is too cumbersome and extremely expensive. I support Farrukh Saleem’s viewpoint and suggest that Pakistan should be realistic and prudent in its conduct of external security. There is no doubt that war is too serious a business to be left to generals alone.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 02 Jan 2010 06:34

SwamyG wrote:
vavinash wrote:Number has increased to 75. Not bad count for a Friday but kaafir new year. Hope it reaches a century.
Well it is one thing to wish and want the destruction of Pakistan as country; and so counting the dead in an actual battle or skirmish might be appropriate or natural. But wanting the number of dead, many of them innocent in such incidents, to go up is simply wrong.

If I am not wrong, our soldier did anthim sanskar or arranged for last rites ceremonies of dead Pakistan soldiers; we come from that kind of country. So let us keep it that way.

Hear! Hear! Please folks. Let us keep our humanity intact.

archan · Post by **archan** » 02 Jan 2010 07:19

Jarita wrote: Hear! Hear! Please folks. Let us keep our humanity intact.

Why don't individuals keep their humanity intact and not preach others to keep theirs? let us not try to force others to act in a way which we like to see. That's a mod's job.

enough posts on this, please no more.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 02 Jan 2010 07:29

Kayani responds to Gen Kapoor

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2010_pg7_3

ISLAMABAD/LAHORE: The proponents of conventional application of military force, in a nuclear overhang are chartering an adventurous and dangerous path, the consequences of which could be both unintended and uncontrollable, Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Kayani said on Friday.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 02 Jan 2010 07:39

Satya_anveshi wrote:Now straight from horse's(Zardari) mouth about threats to him.

This man being "Sindhi Baloch" has now become central to both provinces of Sindh and Balochistan. Clearly, Pubjab vs Sindh- Baloch axis is being formed and taking more prominance than ever.

Anti-Baloch clique wants ‘my removal’: Zardari

Question is can Zardari rally the secessionist forces in both proviences to create a new two nation theory and two new nations, North Pakistan and South Pakistan? I hope MEA is reading this thread and act on it! Granting autonomy to Sindh alone under the Indian constitution will go a long way to solve India's Pakistan problem!

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 Jan 2010 07:43

Here comes the support for Zardari.

The road to hell -- and similar destinations

Friday, January 01, 2010
Ayaz Amir

We have a developed talent, honed over the years, for counting the trees and missing the larger picture. We see things in one dimension and forget that there may be other sides to reality. This leads to false conclusions and the begetting of great tragedies.

Let us for argument's sake accept that Asif Ali Zardari, the luckless president of a luckless country, is the author of a thousand villainies, the darkest thing to have happened to the Islamic Republic. But let us at least weigh his real or presumed infamy in the scales of history before coming to a judgment about what he deserves.

Has Zardari done anything which comes close to the unbeatable folly of the 1965 war? If anything undid us it was that foolish call to arms. We had set out to conquer Kashmir. At Tashkent we ended up lowering the casket of the Kashmir cause into the ground.

Do Zardari's alleged crimes measure up to the folly of General Yahya Khan who presided over the break-up of Pakistan? If ever the larger picture escaped anyone it was that latter-day Muhammad Shah Rangila, caught up in circumstances beyond his control or comprehension. We couldn't stand the notion of meeting East Pakistani aspirations half-way, just as we are having a hard time now understanding Baloch aspirations.

The frenzied crowds which poured out in 1977 to protest the alleged rigging of the elections by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto called for the establishment of Nizam-e-Mustafa (the dispensation of the Holy Prophet). Like the supposed reformers of today who think they are battling corruption, the enthusiasts of 1977 were convinced the promised kingdom was just a step away if only that incarnation of evil, Bhutto, was taken care of.

Bhutto was taken care of and eventually hanged but the frothing crowds were no nearer Nizam-e-Mustafa or anything like it. Instead, for their pains, they got General Ziaul Haq and the long night of his dark tyranny. Zia first proclaimed his aim as Islamization. Then it was accountability. These were pretexts for suppressing democracy and perpetuating his rule. Zia was perhaps the greatest disaster to befall Pakistan. We are still living with the consequences.

Nothing in our history has been more dangerous than the simplicity and innocence of our good intentions. Riding on their back we have stood before not the pearly gates promising everlasting bliss but the gates of hell. It is scarcely an accident that many of the voices now earnestly urging the Supreme Court to embrace an ever-widening agenda of reform were early supporters of Musharraf's military rule. Such contradictions bestride our history.

Khan Roedad Khan hailed Musharraf as a messiah come to rid the country of its woes. Khan Imran Khan, to his lasting chagrin, was also part of the Musharraf-welcome crowd. At least Imran has the decency to say he was wrong. Others are not so coy. There was indeed a time when prominent media pundits, now in ultra-reformist mode, conducted themselves virtually as Musharraf spokesmen. Humein yaad hai zara zara, tumhein yaad ho keh na yaad ho.

Zardari may deserve all the pejorative adjectives in the dictionary but has he committed any crime which comes close to the enormity of the disaster that was Kargil? That adventure was meant to seize advantage in Kashmir once again. It ended up exposing Pakistan to fierce international criticism and giving birth to the term cross-border terrorism, the stick with which Pakistan has been regularly beaten ever since. Are we calling for a national commission to investigate Kargil, as we should? No, we are into other things.

Talking of Musharraf's military rule, what was the role of our present lordships when Triple One Brigade, our highest constitutional authority, reinterpreted the Constitution once again on the long afternoon of Oct 12, 1999? A few judges -- Chief Justice Saiduzzaman Siddiqui comes to mind -- did not take oath under the Provisional Constitution Order (PCO) issued two months later. But if imperfect memory serves, all of their present lordships, at one time or the other, took oath under the PCO.

Not only that, some of them were on the bench which validated Musharraf's takeover. A few, including My Lord the Chief Justice, were on the bench which validated Musharraf's takeover for the second time in the Zafar Ali Shah case (2005).

Of course, we must let bygones be bygones and deal with the present. But then this principle should be for everyone. We should not be raising monuments to selective memory or selective condemnation. If the PCO of 2007 was such a bad idea, in what category should we place the PCO of 2000? And if in this Turkish bath all are like the emperor without his clothes, the least this should inculcate is a sense of humility.

And if we accept the logic that there can be a transformation in the nature of things, that people who did questionable things once-upon-a-time can undergo a conversion on the road to Damascus (or anywhere else) and become knights in shining armour, dispensing light and so on, should not some of the same indulgence, the same benefit of doubt, be extended to others?

Zardari cut deals and earned commissions and for his talent in this field earned the sobriquet Mr Ten Percent. You reap what you sow. So if Zardari is haunted by the ghosts of his past, and if his past keeps popping up in conversation and national discourse, he has only himself to blame. But now, whether we like it or not, he is something more than a mere replica of his past. He is the constitutionally elected President of the Republic.

For his failings in government, for his mistakes as President, for incompetence or inadequacy -- if these are the charges brought against him -- he can be pilloried and even ridiculed. This is part of democracy, part of the political process.

But when hidden forces with their hidden agendas go about manipulating things, pulling strings from behind, and if elements in the media or other distinguished places become witting or unwitting partners in this game, then it is not democracy being served or strengthened but intrigue and conspiracy.

The Supreme Court judgment on the vires of the 2007 PCO came on the 31st of July, 2009. But the knives were out for Zardari much before that. Zardari of course heads a team with no shortage of incompetents on board. In a land even otherwise dedicated to mediocrity they seemingly outshine all competitors. (Keen for a doctorate myself, I am still trying to discover the location of that celebrated seat of learning, Montecello University.)

President Zardari can also be his own worst enemy. Who told him to deliver the speech he did at Naudero on BB's second death anniversary? There were things in it which were best left unsaid. Those whom the gods would destroy they first push into such speech-making. But it is also true that Zardari has been driven into a corner. The mandate he got -- constitutionally it bears remembering -- is being nullified by other means.

Their lordships are all men of honour and rectitude who stood up to Musharraf's dictatorship and gave hope to the country. But their lordships are just one part of the national spectrum. If they are men of honour it doesn't automatically follow that everyone else in the equation is also playing by the same rules.

There is thus a need for caution, a need to draw a line between past and present. Let us study our past and draw the correct conclusions. But let us not, wittingly or unwittingly, destabilise democracy. Cleansing the national stables is a laudable aim and makes for a heady slogan. But as our history demonstrates, good intentions, unsupported by a sense of reality or a sense of proportion, lead to unforeseen consequences.

The temple of democracy is a cohesive whole. There is no such thing as smashing one pillar and hoping the rest of the structure will survive. It won't. And when the slabs come crashing down, we will be the losers while those who have always operated in the shadows will have the last laugh. So Happy New Year. Our curse is to live forever in interesting times. May the new year be a bit less exciting than the one which has just gone by.

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Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Jan 2010 07:47

a visitor to karachi posts a travel report in the TOI page. I have highlighted a few lines.

Veeresh Malik,New Delhi,says:Personal business of the family sort took me to Karachi recently, not one of your usual tourist destinations, blessed as it is with a reputation recently acquired for being situated in a dangerous country. Much to the amazement of many of my friends who predicted dire consequences and worse, we returned healthier and wiser, as well with a desire to visit again what is certainly not a city over-run by terrorists - and more of a commercial transhipment hub as well as vibrant trading spot. I can report back truthfully that:- a) You will truly enjoy life across the full spectrum of experiences in a foreign country where they speak the same language and the rupee goes much further. b) We shopped till we dropped on items as diverse as ladies clothes, men's boots, handicrafts, food, electronics and lingerie. We avoided the pirated movies and software, though. c) I broke bread and mixed with the elite as well as common street folk, visited a "dangerous" mosque, paid homage at the graveside of my school headmaster, and rode on the roof of a city bus. d) Many people consumed more liquor every evening than they normally do elsewhere, accompanied by excellent mutton kababs. e) Everybody saw a lot of armed guards, traffic policemen and military, but fewer VIP convoys and vehicles with red beacons, and nobody broke red lights. f) Some people visited a 24x7 McDonalds, went for a late night street food stroll on Tariq Road (equivalent - Ajmal Khan Road in Delhi) and accompanied an urbane bunch of youngsters to the beach. g) Yours truly could not have enough of the amazingly wide range of truck and bus art, latest with wildly elaborate coloured LED lighting, adding a psychedlic touch to the more traditional work. h) The Pakistanis have a vast variety of television channels, many seemingly populated with a bunch of vapid baby-and-baba-log, with fake MTV accents. i) Arundhati Roy is hot stuff in Pakistan with the English speaking left-of-centre elite, but she is out-gunned, because the rest adore Bollywood and cleavages, and golf remains the essence of snobbery. In the true spirit of travel towards a "dry" country, getting there is half the fun, and in this case it doesn't cost too much either, just 15/- rupees for a visa to start with. Travel options are cheap too, crossing the border is possible by foot, train, bus and air, in that order of cost. You will need to motivate an "invitation" from "family or friends" in Pakistan, and then either join a rather busy and extensive line in the morning, or find somebody helpful at the Pakistani High Commission in Delhi. Alternately, you can join one of the many peace groups, trade missions or general collection of busy-bodies, and then head there as part of a delegation. They've organised fashion weeks and automobile shows recently, to give you a drift, of the various options open. Innovativeness and initiative are certainly helpful attributes, and it can safely be said that doors open for "people like us", as there seems to be a not-so-subtle attempt to showcase the real Pakistan to the rest of the world. So what is the real Pakistan, more specifically, Karachi? First of all, you have to go with a clear state of mind - do not compare Pakistan with India. Karachi is not Mumbai, Lahore is not Delhi, except in the minds of those in the sunset of their lives. Do not disturb their harmless naps. You need to take Pakistan on its own merits, and move on from there. 62 years after my mother closed her first post-marital kitchen and my father gave the first salute to Jinnah, in Karachi in an independent Pakistan, it was not difficult for me to accept that I was visiting rather than "returning", so. However. A week of attending family events doesn't really provide much of an opportunity to lay out anything more than anecdotal observations acquired during unstructured moments, and any attempt to provide opinions or judgements is being controlled, as so much of Pakistan is still a mystery to people who visit only the urban city centre parts. I am sure they have all those extremely dangerous fundoo troublemakers upcountry somewhere, the locals do not deny it either, just as they have them in other countries too, it is just that the Pakistani lot seem to be more active lately. But while we were there, flights to all domestic destinations were running full, likewise trains and long-distance buses, and lower level government functionaries were getting suspended for corruption too. Youngsters on airplanes had to be sternly reminded to shut down their mobile phones, and airline food was of a variable nature, from great to rancid. Airports are super-clean and the toilets at Karachi and Lahore Airports could give Changi a run for the money, but the taxi-touts outside are not daunted by heavy security, either. The Sea Port of Karachi, as well as other terminals nearby, were humming to capacity with container terminals strewn all over looking very busy, and if the number of ships at anchor awaiting a berth are any indications, then they can safely double the capacity and still need more. Banks and ATMs abound, plastic is widely accepted, money-changers do roaring business and taxi drivers are as loquacious as their counterparts in Mumbai and Dubai - two cities which seem to hold a lot of fascination for Karachiites. A Parsee influence dominates the skyline as well as gardens, educational institutions and real estate, while black kites wheel all over the city sky, screeching plaintively for food to snacth as the crows raid their nests. Huge SUVs battle for space with a wide variety of motorcars, buses, trucks, two and three wheelers, and all the gurudwaras as well as temples bar one have moved on to other roles. The richer and more elite parts of town - Clifton, Defence and the whole Diplomatic area - have a scale which boggles the mind. People live in palaces, not bungalows. One palace, reported to have belonged to an Arab Sheikh but now apparently handed over to somebody "in finance", had external walls that were 25 metres high - capable of withstanding everything other than an atomic blast apparently. An even bigger palace, however, belongs to a long departed Indian "seth" - Mohhatta Palace was held as evacuee property, and is now fully renovated and used as a museum. The richer parts of Karachi are hectic street-crime territory, everybody has a favourite mugging or kidnap episode, so people choose not to walk outside too much, and keep huge dogs as well as multiple armed guards. Armour plated cars riding extremely low on the ground are default options. At the same time, for more "ordinary" people, Karachi hums. And how. A four-storey kabab palace close to the promenade called "Bar-be-Que tonight" has what appears to be over a thousand covers, all full and humming with activity of the mixed gender sort on the weekday night we went there. With more people eating in the parking lot too. What they can do to the insides of a goat or lamb defies description. Salads are left ignored on tables as meats and traditional breads of all sorts are wolfed down, accompanied by fresh fruit juice, which is an industry in excellence and diversity across the city. Certainly, women are not as visible on the streets as their share of the population justifies, nor do you spot young couples aspiring to newer social structures - the status quo is a fact of life in Karachi expected to be respected by all. So, to sum it up - what does a tourist do in Karachi? The answer is this - she rides around in taxies, goes shopping and eats. At a price cheaper than most other places in the world. All this, in a city which is safer than many other places for tourists because it is still not a "tourist trap", and there is a charming innocence as well as welcoming attitude from everybody, the moment they hear that you are a foreigner speaking their language. Even at the most dangerous mosque in town. Veeresh Malik

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Jan 2010 07:52

Satya_anveshi wrote:Now straight from horse's(Zardari) mouth about threats to him.

This man being "Sindhi Baloch" has now become central to both provinces of Sindh and Balochistan. Clearly, Pubjab vs Sindh- Baloch axis is being formed and taking more prominance than ever.

Anti-Baloch clique wants ‘my removal’: Zardari

Zardari is India's new man in Pindi. Pakistanians must get rid of him before the loose S&B. There is a rumor in inner circle of Delhi that He has already passed many Paki secrets in a secret deal to have political asylem in India .

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 02 Jan 2010 08:28

Binori Mosque K'chi
Veeresh Malik's Blog

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Jan 2010 08:31

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=216506
Annus horribilis
Are if Hazami

The so-called Sindh Card has also come into play again, besides protestations to the contrary. On the eve of the Supreme Court decision on the NRO, there were orchestrated demonstrations in Sindh. Thankfully, Mr Zardari subsequently disowned the Sindh Card by paying lip service to the federation and chanting the slogan “Pakistan khappey” at the Naudero rally.
However, the Sindh home minister, Zulfiquar Mirza, thinks otherwise. He claimed on the eve of the rally that it was only on the advice of his party boss that in the immediate aftermath of the assassination of Ms Bhutto two years ago, he refrained from chanting the slogan “Pakistan na khappey.” The maverick Mirza, who is a personal friend of the president and husband of the speaker of the National Assembly, Fehmida Mirza, should have been sacked, on two counts. Firstly, by doing disservice to his party and Pakistan and secondly for failing to anticipate or take measures to prevent the immense loss of life and property in Karachi, which happened on his watch as home minister.

RamaP · Post by **RamaP** » 02 Jan 2010 08:41

I was heartened to see the comments sections of TOI Aman ka Tamasha article. Perhaps, TOI should learn to stick to reporting rather than trying to change political realities. Maybe the comments section should be flooded with thousands of such vitriolic feedback. That might make these peace doves crash land to the ground.

The American media like CNN was all over the Forward Base attack and the statements of vengeance made by CIA representatives. It is interesting to note that now the Pakistani Taliban (TTP) is taking credit for the attack. Increasingly, Afghanistan is looking like getting sidelined from the main focus of war on terror. TSP is being projected as the cause for all the problems of the world. Maybe Uncle's grand strategy might be to amalgamate the various entities like TTP, Haqqani Brothers, AQ's Shadow Army, Punjabi Taliban et.c into one big monster. That would help in projecting the entire TSP and not just FATA/NWFP as potential targets.

Surely, it looks as if TSP is the center stage for America's new great game.

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Jan 2010 08:51

jamwal wrote:88 dispatched

The death toll in Friday’s demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan has now climbed to 90:

90 killed in Lakki Marwat bombing

I have always found it difficult to fathom why in an Islamic Republic, the Muslim weekly holy day of Friday seems to bring out in its Jihadi Islamic terrorist population a higher level of bloodlust.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Jan 2010 08:58

Muppalla wrote:Here comes the support for Zardari.
Friday, January 01, 2010
Ayaz Amir

Zardari may deserve all the pejorative adjectives in the dictionary but has he committed any crime which comes close to the enormity of the disaster that was Kargil? That adventure was meant to seize advantage in Kashmir once again. It ended up exposing Pakistan to fierce international criticism and giving birth to the term cross-border terrorism, the stick with which Pakistan has been regularly beaten ever since. Are we calling for a national commission to investigate Kargil, as we should? No, we are into other things.

Ah the Peacenik pragmatic Indo-Paki bhai-bhai Ayaz Amir. This is what he had to say on June' 99 about Kargil.

Setting aside the threat of war, it is instructive and not a little inspiring to consider the courage and skill of the fighters who are challenging the might of the Indian army and air force along the cruel heights of Drass and Kargil in Indian-held Kashmir. Risking a battle in which the chances of death outweigh those of remaining alive requires motivation of a high order. Whatever the Indian side may say, these fighters have a better right than most to call themselves mujahideen, those who fight in the way of Allah.

The spirit of jehad so magnificently exemplified by the fighters of Kargil and Drass is at odds with the nature of Pakistan's polity...This certainly does not mean that these causes are unjust. How can the liberation of Kashmir by force of arms be considered an unjust cause? But it does mean that if we are to sustain this policy it must become the common property not only of madrassa students, great as their contribution is, but of all Pakistanis, including those from the affluent classes. Why must only the poor go to Kargil? Why not others?

400% foresight on how glorious jeeehaard the fighting in Kargil would be. We should all listen to such a seer !!

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 02 Jan 2010 09:29

Looks like the times of Islamabad has stopped publishing comments on the second farticle they had published. There are only 8 comments and mine is not printed yet.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 Jan 2010 09:43

arun wrote:I have always found it difficult to fathom why in an Islamic Republic, the Muslim weekly holy day of Friday seems to bring out in its Jihadi Islamic terrorist population a higher level of bloodlust.

One guess (and it need not be politically correct). Just think of what constitutes as the opium for the hordes of believers on a fateful day like Friday in the land of the pure. Mix that potent cocktail of thought with high unemployment, desperation, hopelessness, aimlessness, orders from representatives of god, easy access to gasoline/kerosene and combined with perceived hurtfulness and fragile egos, and bang! You got a neat little ethnic riot on a typical porki street that you can set your watch to.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 02 Jan 2010 10:08

WKK Bachan

Amitabh should stick to acting only. The guy who made fun of Hindi skills of that foreigner girl in Big Boss is now harping on about aman, pyaar, tappe with Pakistanis who can speak his language.

Too much canoodling with Amar Singh has taken it's toll on his brains.

I copy pasted that Jinnah quote that SSridhar guru had posted in previous thread. How about spamming that page with more of the same text ?

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 02 Jan 2010 10:59

praveenswami on twitter
Farhat Taj argues that reports of large-scale civilian deaths in drone attacks are a fabrication | http://bit.ly/4sfDFB

The article
Drone attacks: Challenging some fabrications —Farhat Taj

Drone attacks: Challenging some fabrications

Like the ToI some sections of american media have become mouthpieces of taliban propaganda. May they and their descendants suffer the same fate that their terrorist masters have suffered. Ack thoo on these modern day goebbels.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 02 Jan 2010 11:04

Chanced upton this treasure trove of Jinnah quotes
Jinnah Quotes
A few of them relate to wimmins.
Example:

There are two powers in the world; one is the sword and the other is the pen. There is a great competition and rivalry between the two. There is a third power stronger than both, that of the women.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Jan 2010 11:28

30 pix of karachi nov2009 from veeresh malik

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vm2827/set ... 828503134/

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 02 Jan 2010 12:07

Rediff:

Pak claims arrest of RAW agent from Balochistan
January 02, 2010 11:37 IST

Pakistani security officials have claimed arresting an agent of Indian intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing from Qila Saifullah district in Balochistan.

Officials said they apprehended the alleged RAW agent, Abdul Salam, during a raid on a refugee camp following an intelligence tip-off.

Salam is said to be an Afghan national.

"We believe he works for RAW. He entered Pakistan via Afghanistan and hid himself in a refugee camp," The Daily Times quoted an official as saying.
An official, who spoke on conditions of anonymity, said important documents and maps were also recovered from Salam's possession.
Source: ANI

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jan 2010 12:25

What a banana republic !

I am really sorry for a surfeit of obnoxious smileys; I couldn't help it.

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtar are trying to remove misunderstandings between the Army leadership and President Asif Ali Zardari, while, on the other hand, they are also ready to face any “extraordinary situation”. {So, the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces needs the PM's mediation between himself and his COAS !}

. . . Prime Minister Gilani will arrange a meeting between President Zardari and Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani in a few days.

According to close circles of the PM House, the PPP leadership has decided that if there will be any “extraordinary situation”, Gilani will come to the rescue President Zardari

Prime Minister Gilani has decided to become the most lethal political weapon of Zardari if so needed. Now he wants to give an impression that he is not a part of any move to remove Zardari from the Presidency. He is working on both the options. He is trying to become a bridge between the Presidency and the Army and he is also ready to resign if need arises.

On another plan, President Zardari and Prime Minister Gilani have decided to take some bold political initiatives to dispel the impression that they were running their governments from bunkers.

The security agencies have recommended holding the cabinet meeting in Peshawar or Nathia Gali but PM Gilani and many federal ministers desperately want to hold the cabinet meeting in Swat. {All this bravado to dispel the impression that they were running their government from bunkers ? What an idea, Sirjee}

ANP leaders are of the opinion that if the military operation in Swat has been a great success then there should be no problem for the arrangement of a cabinet meeting in that area. {I love it. The ANP is joining with Ms. Farhat Taj in ridiculing the Army's fake operations, and very sarcastically too.}

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jan 2010 12:34

The Agosta submarine kickback opens up a Pandora's box

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jan 2010 12:52

Kayani on the Pakistani Army

“An army supported by 170 million people, with faith in Allah, is a formidable force to reckon with,” he said.

amol.p · Post by **amol.p** » 02 Jan 2010 13:41

India on an adventurous and dangerous path: Kayani

Responding to Indian Army [ Images ] Chief General Deepak Kapoor's statement that the Indian Armed forces were ready to fight Pakistan and China simultaneously, Pakistan Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervz Kayani said the situation in the region could get out of control due to such "dangerous adventurism".

"The proponents of conventional application of military force, in a nuclear overhang are chartering an adventurous and dangerous path, the consequences of which could be both unintended and uncontrollable," Kayani said while addressing the military's top brass at the General Headquarters.

The Inter Services Public Relations quoted Kayani as saying the Pakistan Army [ Images ] was fully alert and alive to the 'full spectrum of threat, which continued to exist in conventional and unconventional domains.'

He said the Pakistani army duly supports and is contributing to bring peace and stability in the region, but added that necessary action would be taken to thwart any challenge facing the country.

"But at the same time, it (the military) will continue to maintain the necessary wherewithal to deter and, if required, defeat any aggressive design, in any form or shape such as a firmed up proactive strategy or a cold start doctrine," The

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jan/ ... kayani.htm

sum · Post by **sum** » 02 Jan 2010 14:24

I have heard people particularly appreciating the precision of drone strikes. People say that when a drone would hover over the skies, they wouldn’t be disturbed and would carry on their usual business because they would be sure that it does not target the civilians, but the same people would run for shelter when a Pakistani jet would appear in the skies because of its indiscriminate firing.

So much for the Fizzle-ya

“An army supported by 170 million people, with faith in Allah, is a formidable force to reckon with,” he said.

So, it finally boils down to Allah to save the Paki @$$ despite all the Amirkhan and Taller than mountain weaponry.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 02 Jan 2010 14:27

TOI--JANG BHAI,BHAI

B Raman

satya · Post by **satya** » 02 Jan 2010 15:36

Ever since the disclosure of 'Cold Start' doctrine in public sphere , TSPA response has been from IA can't implement with not enough resources ( manpower & equipment ) to Allah as last resort & threat of Nuclear Weapons as only sign of rational interpretation of their counter(in TSPA thinking) move against CSD.They just don't have any counter strategy against CSD . Now noises are being made at behest of PRC .IA's relocation of troop speaks for itself , yes J&K is cooling off & hazaar other minor things happened but these r minor trends with CSD was the major reversal in trend for IA's doctrine against TSPA .

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 02 Jan 2010 15:38

Pakistan celebrates New Year in its own special way!!

93 dead after suicide car bomb at Pakistan volleyball game
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... UUdyUjLXNw

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 02 Jan 2010 16:10

Folks, this ToI tamasha is not something that comes from nowhere, this is most likely a GoI trial-balloon of change in policy. For the record, other things are cooking on the ground too:
Indian boxers cross border

India sent its first sports team to Pakistan in more than a year on Thursday as a seven-member boxing team flew into Karachi to compete in an international tournament. The boxers are the first Indian sports team to cross the border since India stalled sporting links with Pakistan after the November 2008 attacks on Mumbai, which New Delhi blamed on militants based in Pakistan.

And the boxers are now in karachi of all the places, imagine.....
http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/n ... nid=120083