Telangana Monitor

[negi]

Huh so Bhadralok wants to have a say when it comes to chai samosa .

Fwiw

JAC calls for ‘rail roko’ on Jan. 5

[vijayk]

Any one recall my posts circa 2004 about Naidunomics which concentrated development in and around Hyderabad and little else everywhere?

Are they archived? Is it possible to repost them here? Would be a good idea to take a look at them to look back into the history.

[ramana]

Huh so Bhadralok wants to have a say when it comes to chai samosa .

Fwiw

JAC calls for ‘rail roko’ on Jan. 5

Both Mamta Bannerji and Budhdeb Bhattacharya are opposed to this as it has fallout on West Bengal. This is open commmunication of that view.
Its not chai-samosa but people and lands. It has ramifications from Kashmir to Kanya Kumari and Maharasthra to West Bengal. So its not just a little state problem.

[ramana]

Centre Strategies for today's Meet

....The tutorial for Reddy was along predictable lines: Telangana has been victimised, it has just one medical college, no irrigation, the Finance Commission must recognise it, we eat biryani, they eat rice, we drink tea, they want coffee... we’re different, etc.

However, the group was clear: no Telangana without Hyderabad, no regional board, no special development package. “We’re ready to wait. It isn’t as if we want the government to announce the separate state tomorrow. But we do want to hear that the process (for a separate state) has started” said an MP present there.

There are other fears. The so-called Joint Action Committee (JAC) which is spearheading the Telangana movement – and at whose behest, the former home minister of Andhra Pradesh, Devender Goud (who despite Z plus security, was virtually beaten up by students when he went to meet them) is led by Maoist sympathisers. Kodanda Ram Reddy, its most vocal leader from Jawaharlal Nehru University and currently professor of political science, has a reputation for being critical of police repression. The Home Ministry is worried that once formed, the Telangana assembly should not become a playground of the Maoists, a ‘liberated’ zone.

Therefore, torn between its pro and anti-Telangana lobbies, the Congress is trying to buy time. The Home Minister’s meeting is likely to lead to more meetings over the next few months and perhaps formation of a political committee to talk to different parties. The mechanism of the committee—just as it had done in 2004 when Telangana Rashtra Samiti (TRS) was an ally of the UPA—will also provide some breathing space for the government.

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And what of the man who started it all, TRS chief K Chandrashekhar Rao ? The Congress says he is ready to merge his party into the Congress. If that happens, KCR will be yet another name to the list of Congress leaders who fancy themselves as chief minister of Telangana sometime in the future. Meanwhile in Delhi, KCR held a long meeting with CPI general secretary A B Bardhan today. He is planning to meet the UPA allies like NCP’s Sharad Pawar, RJD’s Lalu Prasad and Trinamool chief Mamata Banerjee.

[vijayk]

Centre Strategies for today's Meet

....The tutorial for Reddy was along predictable lines: Telangana has been victimised, it has just one medical college, no irrigation, the Finance Commission must recognise it, we eat biryani, they eat rice, we drink tea, they want coffee... we’re different, etc.

However, the group was clear: no Telangana without Hyderabad, no regional board, no special development package. “We’re ready to wait. It isn’t as if we want the government to announce the separate state tomorrow. But we do want to hear that the process (for a separate state) has started” said an MP present there.

There are other fears. The so-called Joint Action Committee (JAC) which is spearheading the Telangana movement – and at whose behest, the former home minister of Andhra Pradesh, Devender Goud (who despite Z plus security, was virtually beaten up by students when he went to meet them) is led by Maoist sympathisers. Kodanda Ram Reddy, its most vocal leader from Jawaharlal Nehru University and currently professor of political science, has a reputation for being critical of police repression. The Home Ministry is worried that once formed, the Telangana assembly should not become a playground of the Maoists, a ‘liberated’ zone.

Therefore, torn between its pro and anti-Telangana lobbies, the Congress is trying to buy time. The Home Minister’s meeting is likely to lead to more meetings over the next few months and perhaps formation of a political committee to talk to different parties. The mechanism of the committee—just as it had done in 2004 when Telangana Rashtra Samiti (TRS) was an ally of the UPA—will also provide some breathing space for the government.

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And what of the man who started it all, TRS chief K Chandrashekhar Rao ? The Congress says he is ready to merge his party into the Congress. If that happens, KCR will be yet another name to the list of Congress leaders who fancy themselves as chief minister of Telangana sometime in the future. Meanwhile in Delhi, KCR held a long meeting with CPI general secretary A B Bardhan today. He is planning to meet the UPA allies like NCP’s Sharad Pawar, RJD’s Lalu Prasad and Trinamool chief Mamata Banerjee.

There are other fears. The so-called Joint Action Committee (JAC) which is spearheading the Telangana movement – and at whose behest, the former home minister of Andhra Pradesh, Devender Goud (who despite Z plus security, was virtually beaten up by students when he went to meet them) is led by Maoist sympathisers. Kodanda Ram Reddy, its most vocal leader from Jawaharlal Nehru University and currently professor of political science, has a reputation for being critical of police repression. The Home Ministry is worried that once formed, the Telangana assembly should not become a playground of the Maoists, a ‘liberated’ zone.

[ShyamSP]

http://www.andhrajyothy.com/mainshow.as ... c/29main27

Table below shows Telengana % of colleges, schools, jobs, water reserves, hospitals, banks, and electric substations. Telengana area according the news article is roughly 41% population-wise and 41% area-wise. Except for law colleges many are 40% or more. 59% of pharmacy colleges are in Telengana area.

MP Undavalli Arun Kumar letter to AP CM.
http://epaper.sakshi.com/Details.aspx?i ... d=28600892

Telangana area growth rates are higher than the rest of AP. (Rayalaseema and Uttar Andhra #s need to be analyzed. I think they will fare worse than Telengana whole area)

First six are agri-production and acreage growth. 3rd column is for seemandhra % and last column for Telengana % rate in last 50 years.

[ramana]

Can some one develop a table just for 2005/06 stats for both regions? Ex for paddy , cotton etc.

I think the figures show something interesting T vs Andhra+Rayalaseema

[ramana]

Interesting turns and twists:

K.P. Nayar in Telegraph,

US leash on Hyderabad travel

Washington, Jan. 3: Discreetly but firmly, the US has begun acting beyond statements in retaliation for the haphazard and arbitrary implementation of visa rules for Americans arriving on visits to India.

A “warden message” sent by email to Americans registered with their embassy in New Delhi “recommends that US citizens defer all non-essential travel” to Hyderabad.

The advice which will be in force till January 31 has also been circulated by the US state department here for the benefit of Americans who may have been planning to visit Hyderabad....

What makes the advice against travel to the Telangana region different is the spin being given here about Hyderabad, which has considerable US-related economic activity.

The alert over the situation in Hyderabad has received unusual publicity especially on radio and television here: this would not have come about unless the US authorities have been deliberately drawing attention to the alert and providing background briefings to journalists.

There have been, for instance, previous alerts recently about “information that terrorist groups may be planning attacks in India” and warning to Americans cautioning them about congregating and even detailed instructions about choosing hotels, restaurants and recreation venues. These have drawn only scant attention in the American media.

The US is well aware that what can hurt India in the context of the ongoing tangle over changes to Indian visa rules is the economic content of the Indo-US relationship to which Hyderabad is pivotal.....


Following the arrest in the US of a half Pakistani American, David Coleman Headley, who scouted terrorist targets on a tourist visa on behalf of terrorists who attacked Mumbai in 2008, foreign tourists departing India with tourist visas now have their passports stamped that they cannot re-enter India for two months.

Reciprocity in this case will have no effect because most Indians arriving in the US on tourist visas do not go to neighbouring countries or return otherwise to America within two months.

However, most Americans visiting Hyderabad on business actually do so on tourist visas and not on business or employment visas. Curbing their travel will have an adverse impact on business activities such as call centres which proliferate in Hyderabad.

The US stategy, therefore, appears to be to force India into making resonable changes to its draconian visa rules by gently twisting arms where the impact will be felt on economic activity in Hyderabad.

Singificantly, the travel alert emailed to Americans living in India is very specific about the areas of the Andhra Pradesh capital that they have been advised against visiting.

For example, Americans have been advised against going to the state secretariat or the Legislative Assembly and to avoid the Panjagutta, and Ameerpet areas of Hyderabad.

Any foreigner who has done business in India knows that visits to state secretariats are mandatory as civil servants who deal with their subjects have to be kept in good humour. Visits to legislators and ministers are also vital and such contacts are being curtailed under the latest travel alert.

We truly dont know the hidden players in the game nor their motives.

[ramana]

An enlightening article on the interlinks between the regions.

Telangana makes friends enemies

Hyderabad, Jan. 3: Over 1,800 suicide attempts in a fortnight, 72 of them successful. More than 40,000 casualties — injuries from lathi-charges and stone-throwing, and deaths of hospital-bound patients because of blockades.

Yet these figures from the first 15 days of the month-old Telangana agitation don’t give the entire picture of the human costs, even when you take into account the shortage of milk and vegetables and the steep auto fare hikes because of stalled buses and trains.

Psychologists and social workers say the turmoil since November 30 has had deep impacts on the minds of most Telanganites and those from other regions settled in Telangana. The regional bias thoughtlessly instigated by “irresponsible” political parties, they say, has turned neighbours into “enemies”.

K. Ramachandra Rao, a farmer and money-lender from West Godavari who has been living in Hyderabad for years for the sake of his children’s education, agrees.

“A milk vendor and a vegetable merchant whose businesses I had promoted by providing soft loans now see me as their enemy,” he said.

Many engineering and medical students from Rayalaseema and coastal Andhra who are studying in Telangana are worried about their future.

“We don’t know if the situation will become bad enough to force us to leave since we are not ‘locals’ any more. We had opted for these colleges because they were new and are closer to Hyderabad,” said Gayatri Naidu, a second-year engineering student from Chaitanya Bharati Institute of Technology on Hyderabad’s outskirts.

The suicide figures come from the GVK Emergency Management and Research Institute, a public-private-partnership venture that handles medical, police and fire emergencies in rural and semi-urban areas.

The institute says a record 1,812 attempted-suicide cases were registered in the state between November 30 and December 15 — nearly eight times the normal fortnightly figure of 250. Phone calls, genuine and fake, to the Hyderabad-based institute’s control rooms too have risen.

Warangal district in Telangana recorded the highest number of suicide attempts at 172, followed by Mahboobnagar (133) and Ranga Reddy (132) while Srikakulam in coastal Andhra registered the lowest, 21. Of the 41,828 agitation-related injuries and deaths, Hyderabad district reported 1,547 while Ranga Reddy accounted for 2,255.

While students, lawyers, and government employees have hit the streets to hold dharnas, rallies and relay fasts for either Telangana or Samaikya (Integrated) Andhra, poor parents are plunged in gloom worrying about their children’s future, social workers say.

Non-salaried, middle-aged bread-winners — such as day labourers, eatery owners and small-time traders — are bearing the brunt of the disruption of life and work.

“The sona massuri of Kurnool, the finest variety of rice, will cost us more if Telangana is created,” said Padmamma, 42, who runs a roadside eatery in Hyderabad.

Gouthu Narasimhulu, a grain merchant from the city’s General Bazaar, said: “We Hyderabadis have to get everything—vegetables, tamarind, chillies, tobacco, flowers, tender coconuts, onions — from either Rayalaseema or coastal Andhra. With a new state, there will be restrictions and new taxes.”

Govinda Rao Melkote, a popular film personality, said Hyderabad would even have to “import” home-made pickles from Guntur and Rajahmundry. Most spicy Telugu dishes have their roots in the coasts and Rayalaseema, though Telangana is known for its non-vegetarian, Deccan dishes.

Many are apprehensive whether a Telangana state would nurture a healthy environment for all to co-exist.

“I hope the elements of the erstwhile Hyderabad state — the dominance of certain sections and feudalism — will not return with the formation of Telangana,” said Malleswari Deverakonda, utility supervisor with a multinational in Hyderabad.

The widespread tensions kept the New Year celebrations low-key despite heavy police security. Most IT professionals and non-locals stayed home on December 31 night.

“We kept away from hotels and clubs as the environment is unfriendly and very hostile,” said Abhijeet Mukherji, a software engineer from Calcutta.

[vijayk]

The Economic and Political Weekly article in 1984

Growth Rates and Fluctuations of Agricultural Production: A District-Wise Analysis in Andhra Pradesh from 1955-56 to 1978-79
http://www.jstor.org/stable/4373353?seq=2
http://www.jstor.org/stable/4373353?seq=3

The results are quite surprising. I am stumped.

[a_kumar]

The question to be asked why did he take such a step? Why did he overstep the traditional role of the Home Minister?

Let me add to what Satya garu started a few pages back...

Almost a month into the crisis, we should summarize the various factors in play at this time.
To me it looks like its an inside INC problem.

This is what I leant from this thread (as I was out of touch and never thought I will debate about any given topic at this length):

1) TRS - their raisins are the Telangana
2) TDP - in the last election took a stand for separate Telangana (?) - Call me dumb but I am surprised to learn this so late. That should also tell some of the posters how much I am "glued" with the movement and passionate about to even justify violence.
3) INC - ran on unified AP plank
4) PRP - ran on unified AP plank but are the newest, smallest, and weakest party.

Now, if INC comes around (for whatever reasons) and says let's go with Telangana, then "technically" we have all agreeing parties. Without going in CTs, one reason INC thought it should go with Telangana is to prevent its loss in the coming elections should TDP and TRS take advantage of the ground swelling of opinion for Telangana. The other reasons could be to call the bluff of TDP (assuming my 2 is correct).

Of course there is this last reason of doing the right thing for the region and effectively for India to take the next level of development.

Am referring back to older sample points. We can debate what was pivotal, here is my take.

Sample point 0 : 11/02/2009 analysis
Jagan-Sonia-Rossiah dynamics

Only the Andhra Jyothy newspaper, where one of the assistant editors Aditya, writes insightful Op-Eds on state politics, has even come close to the real answers.

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How will this affect Congress in AP? The Congress party, especially the CM Rosaiah, has to tread a fine line between keeping Jagan in the fold by allowing some leeway in his (and his associates') business transactions, and at the same time, not allowing Jagan & friends to become financially so strong that they can hold the party to ransom. (Let us face it, all these parties, Congress, TDP, BJP etc. work only towards enriching their leaders and the associated business class). The issues surrounding the Obulapuram Mining Company (OMC) point to this balancing act. Gali Janardhan Reddy and his associates can get away with the loot of public wealth provided their political backers in AP (Jagan & associates) toe the high command line. However, now that the issues have been raised and an investigation has been ordered, any time Jagan &Co raise the banner of revolt, the files can be dusted off and CBI asked to investigate. So, there you go.

*SPECULATION* Rossiah's and INC high command intend to undercut Jagan via Mining scandal. Jagan's prodding KCR was likely a tactical move to counter this strategy. Paanwala says it was supposed to be a deflection of public focus and Jagan didn't mean this for a showdown. However, on first contact with reality, it took a whole different tone and KCR gets his momentum. Little games have started an avalanche.

Sample Point 1 : Nov, 2009
The whole of the month
KCR wants T-land vacated, 11/09/2009

The Telangana Rashtra Samiti president, Mr K. Chandrasekhar Rao, said that the Andhra people who “grabbed” valuable land and acquired assets in Telangana should give them up voluntarily and leave the region.

Speaking to reporters at Vemulawada temple after having darshan of the deity, Mr Rao said the party would chalk out a special action plan to take over the lands occupied by people from Andhra.

KCR threatens to ‘chase away Andhraites’, 11/10/2009

“This is my final step. Either you will see KCR’s funeral or his victory procession,” he said.

However, after asking Andhraites to stay away, which ruffled many feathers, KCR modified his statement. “Actually Andhraites settled here are facing anger of Telangana people due to a few land sharks, industrialists and businessmen, who are fleecing local people and minting money. It is because of a few people that Andhra settlers are facing the brunt of Telangana anger. I must admit that if Telangana agitators become upset and direct their anger at Andhraites I won’t be able to stop them,” KCR said. His statements initially drew the ire of other political leaders, but soon they dismissed him as a rabble rouser.

Having left with no political base and with only two MPs, including himself, and 10 MLAs, KCR is adopting various ways to seek attention, including making statements against Andhra ‘settlers’. Now, he has announced that he would soon start a fast unto death demanding separation of Telangana. “He has asked his aides to start preparing for the fast and they are asking if KCR wants to fast what should they be preparing for?” asked a TRS MLA.

KCR's Telangana drama shifts to jail

“I will continue my fast even if the government imprisons me,” KCR said while being shifted to the jail at Danavaigudem after he was produced before a magistrate in Khammam where medical tests were conducted. Rejecting the bail plea, special judicial second class magistrate Ch Sreerama Murthy ordered 14-day remand for KCR and nine others.

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Following the arrest, students and TRS workers protested at Osmania University (OU) in Hyderabad, Kakatiya University (KU) in Warangal, Telangana University (TU) in Nizamabad and pelted stones at police and RTC buses. Ten RTC buses were damaged across the state. The situation turned volatile on the OU campus when students hurled stones at the cops who resorted to lathicharge to disperse them. A student threatened to jump from hostel terrace.

Sample Point 2 : 12/09/2009 11:30PM
Note that earlier the MPs from all regions, in order to prove their loyalty, unanimously voted to allow the Empress to take the final decision in this regard.

30 mins before Sonia's birthday ends, Chidu goes to media with the announcement.

Sample Point 3 : Dec 10, 2009 2:53AM
Midnight Cheer in Telangana -

While a group of Andhra and Rayalaseema parliamentarians met Congress president Sonia Gandhi on the occasion of her birthday and urged her not to divide the state, about a dozen Telangana Congress MPs also called on her and sought a separate state at the earliest. ''We are hoping that it would be her birthday gift for the people of the region,'' said Malkajgiri MP Sarve Satyanarayana and he was proved right a few hours later.

Telangana MPs appeal to the ego of the empress. "Queen, give us the gift on your birthday.. and your birthday will forever be enshrined in the history of Telangana". Just like we have Children's day on Nehru's birthday, there would have been a Telangana day and Telangana state holiday on Sonia's birthday. Thats irrestable in an age where no new national holidays can be accommodated anymore.

Sample point 4 : Dec 16, 2009
P Chidambaram spooked Centre into splitting Andhra Pradesh

The Union home ministry's advice prevailed over political counsel from the Congress's Andhra Pradesh (AP) MPs to pave the way for last week's controversial midnight announcement on statehood for Telangana.

The home ministry pressed the panic button based on intelligence reports warning of a possible resurgence of Maoist violence in Telangana around the sentiment for a separate state. It argued in favour of pre-empting a Maoist consolidation in the region by taking the issue off the radar with the announcement of a Telangana state.

With finance minister Pranab Mukherjee away in Jharkhand on that fateful Wednesday when the party's core committee met thrice before deciding to divide AP, there was no wise political voice to temper the scare scenarios presented.

Home minister P Chidambaram, who has been spearheading the government's anti-Maoist drive, had an open field to push his ministry's assessment. Mukherjee flew back in time for the final late-night meeting of the core committee but the mood had already swung.

The indications were there earlier in the day when a group of non-Telangana MPs met Sonia Gandhi's political secretary Ahmed Patel and the Congress's pointperson for AP Veerappa Moily. The MPs warned of a backlash against the creation of a Telangana state but they were told "kuchh to karna padega", disclosed a senior leader.

While there maybe regional sentiments/rivalry sub-consciously or consciously, no such thing has boiled to the top so far in media. If we give Chidu benefit of doubt and say he genuinely thought it would help internal security, then Chidu will be afflicted with Tunnel-Vision (click link), failing to see anything but moaists.

If he spearheads the whole idea, then its not inconceivable that he gets the burden (or gift) of announcing Sonia's birthday gift.

Sample Point 5 : - Dec 15, 2009
Chidambaram feels Telangana heat

Agriculture Minister Sharad Pawar was forthright in seeking clarifications from Home Minister P Chidambaram on announcing the decision of the Congress Core Committee on Telangana as the United Progressive Alliance's. The argument was picked up by Mamta Banerjee. She went to the extent of saying, "Will you all come and face the West Bengal electorate?" Dravida Munnetra Kahzagam's Dayanidhi Maran, too, took on the home minister on the Telangana tangle.

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Sources said Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee prevailed in the meeting to give priority to return of normalcy in Andhra Pradesh. He said any decision on Telangana would come only if the Andhra Pradesh Assembly unanimously adopts a resolution for creation of the separate state.

Pranab Mukherjee, who headed a sub-committee on Telangana during the first tenure of UPA, said that issue was too sensitive and emotional.

"I understood it, but when such a major issue was being announced, it was the Congress duty to have taken the NCP, TMC and DMK into confidence." By this remarks, Pranab was clearly hinting at the PMO and the home minister as well.

Is it possible that Chidu was like a kid who has the whole house to himself because mommy and daddy were away!

The arrogance of INC also comes out here in the sense that without taking other UPA partners into confidence, they announced it as a UPA decision.

In the end, I am wondering if it is a cascade of "unintended consequences". An explosive combination of all power given to Sonia, Chidu's tunnel vision, Pranab's timely absense, High command detached from ground sentiment and the Sonia's emperor complex.

[ShyamSP]

Read this one purportedly from MP Yashki. Going by it, it was pre-planned to time announcement as Birthday's gift.
Read how they wanted to put KCR as front and use lawayers and media.

Also, Congress wants to encourage violence against Andhra

http://www.imageping.com/out.php/i61150_11.JPG
http://www.imageping.com/out.php/i61149_2.JPG

[ramana]

ShyamSP and other IT gurus How does one post tabular data in html?

Maybe I send the data by e-mail later?


I tried the code command but it looks messed up.

maybe one of you can make it neater....

Category A+R T Total T as %Total
Paddy (T) 7,288,721 4,414,903 11,703,624 38%
Cotton (T) 118,044,600 240,312,680 358,357,280 67%
Sugarcane (T) 1,398,957 465,923 1,864,880 25%
Paddy area cultivation(Acres) 6,301,808 3,652,570 9,954,378 37%
Cotton Area cultivation(Acres) 784,495 1,797,077 2,581,572 70%
Sugracane Area cultivation (Acres) 450,845 124,055 574,900 22%
Primar Schools 37,871 24,291 62,162 39%
Primary + Secy Schools 10,006 7,817 17,823 44%
Secy Schools 7,616 8,579 16,195 53%
Students 7,194,382 6,553,660 13,748,042 48%
Literacy (%) 61.3 57.07 59.185 96%
Hospitals 1,325 850 2,175 39%
Hospital Beds 19,298 16,436 35,734 46%
Cement Roads (Km) 1,419 594 2,013 30%
Tar Roads (Km) 45,697 30,123 75,820 40%
Metal Roads (Km) 21,522 16,589 38,111 44%
Unpaved roads (Km) 41,406 31,221 72,627 43%

Telangana consists of 41 % area of AP
Andhra + Rayalseema consist of 59 % area of AP

[ShyamSP]

Ramana garu,

I'm trying to search what Vundalli says in his table there is district-wise stats available from AP government site given below.
If I get the data, I'll compile data by district-wise. He is MP and can have data available.

http://www.portal.ap.gov.in/Pages/Home.aspx
http://budget.ap.gov.in/AD40.HTM

[ShyamSP]

Ramana's % calculations from Vundalli's table

Code: Select all

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Category                              A+R             T                Total            T as %Total
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Padd (T)                              7,288,721       4,414,903        11,703,624       38%
Cotton (T)                            118,044,600     240,312,680      358,357,280      67%
Sugarcane (T)                         1,398,957       465,923          1,864,880        25%
Paddy area cultivation(Acres)         6,301,808       3,652,570        9,954,378        37%
Cotton Area cultivation(Acres)        784,495         1,797,077        2,581,572        70%
Sugracane Area cultivation (Acres)    450,845         124,055          574,900          22%
Primar Schools                        37,871          24,291           62,162           39%
Primary+Secy Schools                  10,006          7,817            17,823           44%
Secy Schools                          7,616           8,579            16,195           53%
Students                              7,194,382       6,553,660        13,748,042       48%
Literacy (%)                          61.3            57.07            59.185           96%
Hospitals                             1,325           850              2,175            39%
Hospital Beds                         19,298          16,436           35,734           46%
Cement Roads (Km)                     1,419           594              2,013            30%
Tar Roads (Km)                        45,697          30,123           75,820           40%
Metal Roads (Km)                      21,522          16,589           38,111           44%
Unpaved roads (Km)                    41,406          31,221           72,627           43%
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Telangana consists of           41% area of AP
Andhra+Rayalseema consist of    59% area of AP      
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[ramana]

Thats good for finer details. The data already posted shows that T did quite well in most of the categories.
If irrigation is lacking how come area under paddy, cotton and sugarcane is quite high? In fact I know cotton is a high water requirement plant (being in California) and the area under cotton is greater than in Andhra + Rayalaseema.

And look at all the markers of development: hospitals, beds, students, literacy, roads (all types, cement roads are passe in West also) they exceed what would be the expected number of 41 %.

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Table looks good when IE is set to smaller text size.

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Looks like its A+R that should seek separation!

[Satya_anveshi]

a_kumar garu,

Just wanted to thanks for your excellent coverage here

[ramana]

a_kumar garu,

Just wanted to thanks for your excellent coverage here

I also would like to thank a_kumar garu for the excellent research. Wish we could transfer such skills to more of us.

Can you post that in blog for wider coverage?

[a_kumar]

Read this one purportedly from MP Yashki. Going by it, it was pre-planned to time announcement as Birthday's gift.
Read how they wanted to put KCR as front and use lawayers and media.

Also, Congress wants to encourage violence against Andhra

http://www.imageping.com/out.php/i61150_11.JPG
http://www.imageping.com/out.php/i61149_2.JPG

Interesting.. was Chidu thrown into the mob while high-command stands by and watch him take the heat?

Also seems like Jagan played into their hands unwittingly and fell for the trap. Impressive, INC high command lives up to the reputation!

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Thanks Ramana garu and Satya garu. It sure is clearer when away from Ground Zero! Yeah.. will post it there.. was hoping to put up the YSR one first, but got overrun by the events!

[ramana]

Read this one purportedly from MP Yashki. Going by it, it was pre-planned to time announcement as Birthday's gift.
Read how they wanted to put KCR as front and use lawayers and media.

Also, Congress wants to encourage violence against Andhra

http://www.imageping.com/out.php/i61150_11.JPG
http://www.imageping.com/out.php/i61149_2.JPG

Interesting.. was Chidu thrown into the mob while high-command stands by and watch him take the heat?

Also seems like Jagan played into their hands unwittingly and fell for the trap. Impressive, INC high command lives up to the reputation!

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Thanks Ramana garu and Satya garu. It sure is clearer when away from Ground Zero! Yeah.. will post it there.. was hoping to put up the YSR one first, but got overrun by the events!

They are also hoping to use BJP's early stance on small states to draw them in.

PC isnt innocent. He did try to steal Pranab's thunder while he was away!

[a_kumar]

PC isnt innocent. He did try to steal Pranab's thunder while he was away!

Agreed, I do see Chidu's motivation for his role. However, putting his intentions aside, I am leaning towards putting him as a "pawn" and not the "player". Could be wrong, there are several wheels within wheels in all drama.

Also, won't there be teleconferencing available if they wanted to involve Pranab? We are not in 80's/90's that somebody's physical absence should necessarily cut them out of decision making.

Its seems like "birthday gift" was a foregone conclusion and Pranab staying out of decision making meant less hurdles for Chidu's task. On the day of Sonia's birthday (Dec 9th) there were deliberations going on all day, and I can see how Sonia/Rahul didn't have much time to entertain opposing views from Pranab before the 12 midnight deadline (glory was at stake). This would also mean that Pranab was unaware of the midnight deadline!!

Interesting how Rahul's role has been carefully kept away from limelight (referring to ShyamSP's post).

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For all the flak Chidu and Pillai took, I think history textbooks will see this only one way "How Gandhi family donated statehood to Telangana on Sonia's birthday).

[Satya_anveshi]

They are also hoping to use BJP's early stance on small states to draw them in.

Ramana garu,

This was the report from Chindu - Dec 7, 2009; this effectively contradicts your statement below. From above, announcement made on Dec 9, 2009 (just 2 days later).

BJP steps up offensive on Telangana (Dec 7, 2009)

The Bharatiya Janata Party on Monday stepped up the offensive in Parliament demanding that the government bring a Bill in the current session for creation of a separate Telangana State, as violence rocked parts of Andhra Pradesh on the issue.

Mr. Naidu took it up during zero hour and said the Congress had earlier allied with the TRS during the 2004 elections and the issue of Telangana figured in the President’s address.

He said the issue was pending a solution for the past five years and as the principal party in the Opposition, the BJP had already extended support for a separate Telangana. The BJP leader said that according to reports, Congress representatives of the region in the Cabinet were for Telangana and sought to know who was opposing it.

“Andhra Pradesh is on the boil. The government needs to take a categorical stand, do you want the tension to continue? You don’t want a solution… if you have the political will, bring the Bill [for creating a separate State],” Mr. Naidu said.

As I mentioned before, all major parties have tried to do their best to exploit Telangana. It is now about who takes the credit. Like it or not, INC, being the late joinee has stolen the thunder causing massive takleeef to other parties.

Why was any analysis missing when all major parties except INC took Telangana stand? - This is really important in establishing neutrality in the approach / commentary.

[Virupaksha]

As I mentioned before, all major parties have tried to do their best to exploit Telangana. It is now about who takes the credit. Like it or not, INC, being the late joinee has stolen the thunder causing massive takleeef to other parties.

When in 1971/bluestar, Indira gandhi was the prime minister- did it matter who took what position? All it mattered who was in the power. Power is the ultimate arbitrator

Even if others supported it, did it matter on the ground or can anybody else give telangana. INC is in power. All brick bats and garlands go only to it and justifiably so.

Regarding BJP it is a bit player in andhra and talking about its position in influencing the present scenario in any way is nonsense.

Thus brickbats to Rajmata from samaikya vaadis and telanganites can give garlands to rajmata/KCR.

[ramana]

Satya-anveshi, none of those bit players had any power to do what was done.

[Satya_anveshi]

Thus brickbats to Rajmata from samaikya vaadis and telanganites can give garlands to rajmata/KCR.

You read me wrong. I am not for garlands for anyone. But brickbats, if any, must be shared (in order of their support if I may say). Further, on the contrary, I am not seeing this as "bad" at all. For whatever reasons they did, ultimately, I believe it will be good for the region(s) and India. That is *my* interest in this topic.

It is absurd to compare Telangana/AP with that of Punjab at its heigh of terror. Says more about your argument than the situation.

[Virupaksha]

Satya A,

I did not compare situations, I compared taking credits. You can add 1962 bricks to Nehru, 1956- garlands to Nehru/Potti Sri Ramulu or whatever. Even 1947, it didnt matter that the primary cause of Indian independence was second world war. It was congress/gandhi who took the credit.

[Satya_anveshi]

Satya-anveshi, none of those bit players had any power to do what was done.

What does this mean Ramana garu?

Who are all bit players? TDP (in state)? BJP (in center)? TRS (in state)? All these at one time or the other have been allies.

If INC is the only one that holds disproportionate power, then why even whine at all? They have the power and they exercised it. I would then go to TDP/BJP and ask them why they are unable to check that power.

[Virupaksha]

If INC is the only one that holds disproportionate power, then why even whine at all? They have the power and they exercised it. I would then go to TDP/BJP and ask them why they are unable to check that power.

I will flip that question and ask you, was there any way in which if congress wanted to give telangana - could anybody have stopped them?

In the final analysis, it will be Rajmata and KCR who are giving sanction to telangana. KCR for putting public pressure and Rajmata for giving it. It doesnt matter Babu took xyz position or yzx took abc position. Without Rajmata today giving sanction, telangana cannot come and in the final analysis, this is the only point to consider.

Rest all are peripherals and can be correctly compared to appendix in our body. It is there as a legacy.

[ShyamSP]

Satya-anveshi, none of those bit players had any power to do what was done.

What does this mean Ramana garu?

Who are all bit players? TDP (in state)? BJP (in center)? TRS (in state)? All these at one time or the other have been allies.

If INC is the only one that holds disproportionate power, then why even whine at all? They have the power and they exercised it. I would then go to TDP/BJP and ask them why they are unable to check that power.

Some points to note:

Congress in 2009 elections did bait-and-switched. They were okay till Telenagana/Uttar Andhra elections are over but YSR switched after the elections scaring the Rayalaseema and South Coastal Andhra ( If you remember in election thread I said there was not counter move for CBN after Nandyal comment resulting in tough position for TDP in those areas)

They are doing same forked-tongue strategies/tactics this time also.

TDP said they were for Telengana in 2009 elections. They lost election and so were not keen on the subject after elections from electoral view point. TDP said Telengana needs to follow process of discussion and agreement in the state. Before those were done, Congress announced under the pressure tactics with KCR drama (that themselves initiated). Basically, TDP was cheated by the congress.

TRS doesn't matter as it is creation of Congress.

BJP is important if they want to put any bill in parliament so Congress pushed them into corner. (Congress move was that they can kill any residual BJP in AP by Birthday-gifting Telengana and killing completely in rest of AP. Now, It will take more than a generation for BJP to have any presence in AP).

State BJP okay'ed but National BJP may never deal with the issue of Congress placing the bill in the parliament. New BJP may prefer SRC as a way to deal with small state creation policy given how the situation unraveled.

Unless Telengana vadis convince the other side or there is some sort of treachery, Telengana can't happen.
As you can see below there is no agreement in parties, leave alone people

TEL--------United AP
TRS-------- PRP
CPI -------- CPI-M
TTDP ------ UTDP
TINC ------- UINC
BJP(state)---

MIM undecided

[RamaY]

This is becoming a joke. From Great Andhra website. TFWIW

Telangana Leaders’ Exclusive Vehicle Numbers ‘TG----‘!!

Well, it has been proved time and again that the Telangana agitators don’t have any sense of law or system when it comes to their agitation. They have been advocating violence, coming up with hatred statements, threatening those who want a unified state. This is their ‘Udyamam’.

Here is another gesture from them which shows their hooligan culture. Apparently, the Telangana leaders have painted the number plates of their vehicles starting with ‘TG’ instead of ‘AP’. This is actually a grave offense in terms of laws but then the T-supporters are forcibly changing the number plates into ‘TG’.

Unfortunately, the victims of this are cursing the government and the administration for becoming sitting ducks and not taking any measures. The entire system seems to have vanished which has become more oxygen for these vandalists. It is a shame that we as Telugus have to see such situations.

Sonia's Thoughts To Make YS Jagan As CM

The stage is set for the 5th all party meet in Delhi. Now, sources from central command reveal that Sonia is looking at making neutral statements during the meet and the objective is to prevent agitations. However, here is the main agenda of ‘Madam’ as per those who know her.

Sonia would be preparing stage for Rosiah to offer his resignation and get Jagan into the chair. Incidentally, the importance of YSR is now being felt strongly by Sonia and she realizes that congress is losing strength and becoming a joke with many leaders singing their own songs in the name of ‘movements’.

On doing extensive groundwork, she got to know that the Jagan group is strong in people following and also the financial strength is deep due to the association with Lagadapati. It is said that Sonia is under the impression that Jagan is the only person who can set things straight. Although she kept him away after YSR’s death, now she has no other way than to make him CM, at least to check on trial and error method. However, what is there in her mind, we will know soon.

[Muppalla]

State BJP okay'ed but National BJP may never not deal with the issue of Congress placing the bill in the parliament.

As you and many others said, the whole Telangana seperation is a big political dance. The indications are that BJP at national level is looking a pretext for exit. Read today's statement from BJP and it is saying the government needs to build consensus. Consensus will never be built and it is just throwing up hands at the national level. I bet they may not support in parliament and we have to see if it passes in case of a walkout. Also, added to that is the ammunition that they got from the RSS. Mohan Baghawat is their chief and he made a direct statement. Post Advani, RSS is having a larger control these days.

In 2004 parliament elections, both Karunanidhi and Sharad Pawar supported the seperation of Telangana. They did this as part of UPA campaign.I do not remember Mamata's take in the past. George Fernandez was alway for Telangana. Sharad Pawar and Karunanidhi made a flip-flop in this round. Sharad Yadav is also opposing now. I do not know his past take.

Pranabda was probably the person with good knowledge with predictable fallout and however, he goes by the partyline. But now he is opposed as he sees the problem in dealing with CPM in WB. INC+Mamata are very close to end left rule and they do not want distraction now.

The modus-operandi of national leaders is also a game of chiken and it is like this:
1) No leader believed that Telangana will ever form and hence thought to do lip-service to be on the good side because the other areas of AP folks also did not believe that it will ever happen and they do not take the leaders' statements seriously. Kind of overconfidence( very genetic of those folks). In summary no one lost anything by making statements and keeping Telangana folks in the good books.
2) Now someone really announced it and shit-started-falling for these leaders they have to face similar music immediately in their states. TN is still on a strong wicket though.

The modus-operandi is same at state level also:
1) TDP never wanted it but thought "let us see if it comes up" and was blindly thinking that day never comes.
2) PRP followed the same path
3) AP-INC thought we are the Chanikyans and we have seen it manytimes in the past and we will see this time too.

There are so many folks who know the situation and game for more than half a century. Now tell me who and why pulled this trigger

Creating Mizoram, Jharkhand, Uttaranchal and Jharkhand is way different from creating Telangana. Indira Gandhi knows is better than all these bunch together. In 1969 Andhra+Rayalaseema also wanted to seperate when Telangana wanted. It was the best time but Indira was hellbent against it.

[Satya_anveshi]

I will flip that question and ask you, was there any way in which if congress wanted to give telangana - could anybody have stopped them?

Do tell me why no one could have stopped if you know the answer? I think the answer is: Those parties have already played the Telangana card.

This is really interesting:

a) All parties that matter have been for Telangana for quite sometime except INC. Telangana does not happen. But no one feels to talk the side effects of such a divisory strategy or find fault with those parties stand.

So, Telangana against INC wishes is fine.

b) Now INC joins them and says go for it, those parties stand is under scrutiny. Why?

In all these the people of Telangana are being treated as a joke, sheeps, and their say which clearly is for separation (else how are political parties justify their stand) is not counted. The posts of those talking against Telangana stand evidence against such a feeling.

[Satya_anveshi]

Some points to note:

Congress in 2009 elections did bait-and-switched. They were okay till Telenagana/Uttar Andhra elections are over but YSR switched after the elections scaring the Rayalaseema and South Coastal Andhra ( If you remember in election thread I said there was not counter move for CBN after Nandyal comment resulting in tough position for TDP in those areas)

They are doing same forked-tongue strategies/tactics this time also.

TDP said they were for Telengana in 2009 elections. They lost election and so were not keen on the subject after elections from electoral view point. TDP said Telengana needs to follow process of discussion and agreement in the state. Before those were done, Congress announced under the pressure tactics with KCR drama (that themselves initiated). Basically, TDP was cheated by the congress.

Below is yesterday's news report from DC. This one does not say TDP is against the division. You tell me why Mr. Naidu is not coming out of his closet.

Telangana divides TD (Jan 3, 2010)

Hyderabad, Jan. 3: The Telugu Desam is still in a dilemma over its position on the Telangana issue having both supporters and detractors for a separate state within its ranks.

It has also not selected its representatives for the all-party meeting to be held on Tuesday in New Delhi.

While leaders of other parties rushed to the national capital as early as Sunday, fearing that flights may be cancelled due to the foggy conditions prevailing currently in North India, the Telugu Desam chief, Mr N. Chandrababu Naidu, is dithering over his representatives for the meeting.

Earlier it was reported that the TD would send Mr K. Yerrannaidu and Mr Nagam Janardhan Reddy. But the party feared that Telangana leaders would object to Mr Yerrannaidu as he has been a staunch supporter of a united Andhra Pradesh.

You are saying INC cheated TDP? Hello...Are we talking about politics or some game? Game involving lives of millions of "real" people.

TRS doesn't matter as it is creation of Congress.

Wow! I thought we earlier posted an article that KCR belong to TDP till 2000 when he quit his party and formed TRS. In 2004 elections, TRS and TDP were political allies. So much for congress creation of TRS. Can we stop these BS theories please?

BJP is important if they want to put any bill in parliament so Congress pushed them into corner. (Congress move was that they can kill any residual BJP in AP by Birthday-gifting Telengana and killing completely in rest of AP. Now, It will take more than a generation for BJP to have any presence in AP).

State BJP okay'ed but National BJP may never deal with the issue of Congress placing the bill in the parliament. New BJP may prefer SRC as a way to deal with small state creation policy given how the situation unraveled.

Just a few posts before I posted an article from Chindu Dec 7, 09 where V. Naidu challenged INC to table the bill in parliament. I don't know what you are talking about here.

MIM undecided

Now, this is similar argument. INC bad bad bad for not taking stand. But when they do take a stand, INC is breaking India . Tell me why you will not say same with MIM. While at it, explain why the stand of a party representing 12%(?) is important in deciding an issue impacting 88% of people.

[Satya_anveshi]

As you and many others said, the whole Telangana seperation is a big political dance. The indications are that BJP at national level is looking a pretext for exit. Read today's statement from BJP and it is saying the government needs to build consensus. Consensus will never be built and it is just throwing up hands at the national level. I bet they may not support in parliament and we have to see if it passes in case of a walkout. Also, added to that is the ammunition that they got from the RSS. Mohan Baghawat is their chief and he made a direct statement. Post Advani, RSS is having a larger control these days.

In 2004 parliament elections, both Karunanidhi and Sharad Pawar supported the seperation of Telangana. They did this as part of UPA campaign.I do not remember Mamata's take in the past. George Fernandez was alway for Telangana. Sharad Pawar and Karunanidhi made a flip-flop in this round. Sharad Yadav is also opposing now. I do not know his past take.

Pranabda was probably the person with good knowledge with predictable fallout and however, he goes by the partyline. But now he is opposed as he sees the problem in dealing with CPM in WB. INC+Mamata are very close to end left rule and they do not want distraction now.

The modus-operandi of national leaders is also a game of chiken and it is like this:
1) No leader believed that Telangana will ever form and hence thought to do lip-service to be on the good side because the other areas of AP folks also did not believe that it will ever happen and they do not take the leaders' statements seriously. Kind of overconfidence( very genetic of those folks). In summary no one lost anything by making statements and keeping Telangana folks in the good books.
2) Now someone really announced it and shit-started-falling for these leaders they have to face similar music immediately in their states. TN is still on a strong wicket though.

The modus-operandi is same at state level also:
1) TDP never wanted it but thought "let us see if it comes up" and was blindly thinking that day never comes.
2) PRP followed the same path
3) AP-INC thought we are the Chanikyans and we have seen it manytimes in the past and we will see this time too.

There are so many folks who know the situation and game for more than half a century. Now tell me who and why pulled this trigger

Creating Mizoram, Jharkhand, Uttaranchal and Jharkhand is way different from creating Telangana. Indira Gandhi knows is better than all these bunch together. In 1969 Andhra+Rayalaseema also wanted to seperate when Telangana wanted. It was the best time but Indira was hellbent against it.

What you are essentially saying, which I don't think is very different from my own take, is that all parties have leveraged the undercurrents in Telangana, all parties have benefited from it from one way or the other. All parties have made a mockery of Telangana people by playing with their aspirations and feelings (by not being honest).

Now even after the Telangana announcement, if things don't materialize, what options do people of the region have to realize their aspirations. How will that vacuume be addressed? Why will INC or whichever party concede that vacuume to other party that will take Telangana stand in the next election?

[Satya_anveshi]

Satya A,

I did not compare situations, I compared taking credits. You can add 1962 bricks to Nehru, 1956- garlands to Nehru/Potti Sri Ramulu or whatever. Even 1947, it didnt matter that the primary cause of Indian independence was second world war. It was congress/gandhi who took the credit.

You continue to link and compare Telangana movement with those dealing with "external" countries - 1962 in this case

So, all parties can take whatever stand to gain favor but the party actually doing something about it takes the blame

IMO, fair argument is let the party take the blame as well as the credit.

[Satya_anveshi]

Muppala garu,

This is for you: Now, RSS supports smaller states (Jan 5, 2010)

The RSS on Monday said that the comments of RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat on Telangana and creation of smaller states, made at Allahabad on Sunday, had been misinterpreted and that “reorganising Andhra Pradesh state into two separate states of Telangana and Andhra Pradesh was in line with the RSS thinking”. Interestingly, the RSS statement was distributed at the BJP’s national headquarters.

“The RSS has always held that creating a few more states for better development and convenience of administration, without affecting national unity and without creating bad blood between people, is always welcome,” said a statement released by RSS central executive member Ram Madhav.

[ShyamSP]

“The RSS has always held that creating a few more states for better development and convenience of administration, without affecting national unity and without creating bad blood between people, is always welcome,”

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It could be any combination of districts/areas need not be Telengana. Tvadis already created bad blood by threatening people in Hyderabad and Telengana areas.

This falls into what I said, without the other side agreeing, Telengana is not possible.

[Satya_anveshi]

“The RSS has always held that creating a few more states for better development and convenience of administration, without affecting national unity and without creating bad blood between people, is always welcome,”

It could be any combination of districts/areas need not be Telengana. Tvadis already created bad blood by threatening people in Hyderabad and Telengana areas.
This falls into what I said, without the other side agreeing, Telengana is not possible.

Now, look at your logic :

creation of smaller states for better development and convenience of administration without affecting national unity is a welcome change. Then why were people objecting to it if this was in the interest of the region and India?

What caused the bad blood? Whoever it is, punish them. But create smaller states. You cannot punish the entire region for decades and centuries and nullify the advantage of smaller states because of few people indulging in voilence.

Shouldn't everyone go home happily with two states? Or is it that you have problem with even the first part of the sentence?

[Muppalla]

Muppala garu,

This is for you: Now, RSS supports smaller states (Jan 5, 2010)

The RSS on Monday said that the comments of RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat on Telangana and creation of smaller states, made at Allahabad on Sunday, had been misinterpreted and that “reorganising Andhra Pradesh state into two separate states of Telangana and Andhra Pradesh was in line with the RSS thinking”. Interestingly, the RSS statement was distributed at the BJP’s national headquarters.

“The RSS has always held that creating a few more states for better development and convenience of administration, without affecting national unity and without creating bad blood between people, is always welcome,” said a statement released by RSS central executive member Ram Madhav.

The dance is continuing. Let us see tomorrow too

Added later: This is by someother functionary with no name and creating more ambiguity. See this is what I am saying that Telangana is twisting all the politicos in their loins. No one is interested to alienate T-Vadis and on the otherhand DOES NOT want to create similar states elsewhere. Let us see how these folks will comeout finally and who will be alienated and hurt.

[ShyamSP]

Below is yesterday's news report from DC. This one does not say TDP is against the division. You tell me why Mr. Naidu is not coming out of his closet.

TDP still says they are for Telengana. They also say that there needs to be discussion and agreement. You need to understand the latter part.

You are saying INC cheated TDP? Hello...Are we talking about politics or some game? Game involving lives of millions of "real" people.

TDP said let's do discussion and bring agreement (in parties and people). INC went behind it. TDP said you brought the problem, you solve it.

INC was looking for birthday gifts and Sonia day. TDP need not follow INC gimmicks and games.

Wow! I thought we earlier posted an article that KCR belong to TDP till 2000 when he quit his party and formed TRS. In 2004 elections, TRS and TDP were political allies. So much for congress creation of TRS. Can we stop these BS theories please?

In 2004, TDP and TRS were allies? You mean 2009. After elections were over in 2009, they were allies no longer. Remember how TRS/KCR giving headaches to TDP at last minute during nominations.

Just a few posts before I posted an article from Chindu Dec 7, 09 where V. Naidu challenged INC to table the bill in parliament. I don't know what you are talking about here.

V. Naidu was against state BJP stand. Due to Hyderbad BJP people dominating AP, they overruled V. Naidu. Challenge doesn't mean Congress will put it, they will sign off easily.

MIM undecided

Now, this is similar argument. INC bad bad bad for not taking stand. But when they do take a stand, INC is breaking India . Tell me why you will not say same with MIM. While at it, explain why the stand of a party representing 12%(?) is important in deciding an issue impacting 88% of people.

Why is 12% holding GOI from shedding a lot of headaches in India