Telangana Monitor

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 06 Jan 2010 11:22

Sarma,
It is not just about eliminating the Hyd numbers. If I correctly understand Satya_anveshi, he wants to compare the numbers without the migration growth.

Sarma · Post by **Sarma** » 06 Jan 2010 11:30

MilindC garu:

Yes, I understand the "point" Satya_Anveshi garu is getting at. Migration or not, comparing Telangana's statistics (excluding Telangana's biggest metropolis and urban conglomerate) to other regions's statistics (including the biggest urban conglomerates in them) is simply unfair and not the same.

This kind of discussion is most unfortunate, and is the basis for the argument of the T-vadis: "mammalni dochukunnaru" (robbed us); "mammalni edaganivvaledu" (suppressed our growth).

People "migrate" to Hyderabad not just from Coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema, but from Nizamabad, Adilabad, Nalgonda, Mahbubnagar. Why is it that you are called a migrant if you are from coastal andhra and rayalaseema districts, but not if you are from the other Telangana districts? Everybody who came to Hyderabad from other districts, irrespective of the region, is a migrant.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 06 Jan 2010 11:32

nalamotu wrote:Satya Anveshi garu- Could you please point me to Prof. Jayashankar's research/paper on migration. I am referring to the numbers you've cited below:

NC garu,

These are your own numbers you posted in your first post. I just calculated % by region for each of the reference years and related commentary. He referred to this in his paper (someone linked it earlier): http://www.telangana.org/Papers/Article10.pdf

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Clearly from the data you mentioned it appears that the migration did happen. So, in light of migration how does it help if we compare # of students from each region? It is not even negligible to ignore this angle. How does it refute Prof. Jayashankar's point?

1951 % 2001 %
CA 14433481 46.17% 31570722 41.69%
RS 6074320 19.43% 13460253 17.77%
TG 10752332 34.40% 30696566 40.54%
Total 31,260,133 100.00% 75,727,541 100.00%
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a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 06 Jan 2010 11:45

Satya garu,

Aren't we asking for near impossible here.
-How can one get statistics for Telangana/non-Telangana share within Hyderabad?
-What about the positive effects of the migration?
-What about the jobs that were created because of the investments?

If we disregard the pro-cons of this line of thought for a moment, this is dangerously close justifying "Andhra bhago" call while simultaneously telling investors their investments are safe.

How can you conclude that migration happened. I am not questioning migration, trying to see how one can deduct that from the numbers? All I see is numbers have gone up all around.

Even if one were to continue down this path (which I am literally forcing myself to), Telangana (Hyd excluded) numbers should satiate your requirement? What information are you expecting there that would support the statehood movement?

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 06 Jan 2010 12:34

nalamotu wrote:Ramana garu has brought to my attention about questions raised on this group about statistics cited in my book. Please use the following population numbers to normalize the student population. If you find any errors, please let me know and I will be more than happy to correct them.
http://www.myteluguroots.com

Nalamotu garu, I have read some of the contents of your book from your site and am impressed. I am ordering your book. But one doubt. In your chapter, you mentioned about great Andhra Empires and Kingdoms like Kakatiya and Vijayanagara but i did not find any mention of the earlier great dynasties like the Satavahanas. It was the Andhra Satavahanas who defeated the central asian shaka satraps
and reclaimed South-central and western India back to the Indic fold. They were also one of the first Indian empires to send naval expeditions to South east asia and establish Indian colonies there. The Andhras time and again from the Satavahanas to the Kakatiyas to the Vijayanagara fought with the barbarians from the north (not as in North Indians but the central asian barbarians who occupied North India) and protected the pristine Hindu culture of the South from going the "Northen" way. I think not many people realise that !

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 06 Jan 2010 14:05

Who said what at Delhi meet

Ball is in Centre’s court

Kavuri Sambasiva Rao

(Congress MP)

OUR party member Uttam Kumar Reddy (Telangana) agreed to abide by whatever the decision the Centre takes on Telangana. I placed my views before the Centre about the need to have United Andhra Pradesh. Majority of the parties at the meeting favoured consultations with all the stakeholders to resolve the issue. I felt the need for extensive consultations. The participants requested for fixing a time-frame for consultations but Chidambaram said that a decision by the Centre would be announced after discussions with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and by the Union Cabinet. At present, the ball (issue) is in the Central Government’s court.

Need for time-frame

Uttam Kumar Reddy

(Congress MLA)

THE Centre should fix a time-frame for any mechanism in respect of formation Telangana. There is no truth in the reports about involvement of Naxalites or Maoists in the Telangana movement. There is no recruitment by Naxalites in the region and also there will be no change in the Naxalite activities even after formation of Telangana state.

Everything will be the same. The ongoing agitation by the university students is voluntary.

The Central Government should not take a decision against Telangana based on reports (received by it from the State) since they are wrong. Cases filed against agitating Osmania University students have not been withdrawn yet. I condemned parties for making a U-turn on their stand on Telangana after the December 9th statement by the Centre.

I justified the reasons for formation of Telangana state. Today’s meeting is a followup of December 9 statement. Another decision (by the Centre) on the issue will come only after normalcy is restored in the State.

Overall, the voices of Telanganites were stronger at the meeting as compared to integrationists’.

Except for the PRP, CPM and MIM, all other five parties spoke in favour of Telangana.

Union Home Minister P Chidambaram’s response at the meeting indicated that the Telangana state formation process would definitely go ahead.

Talks not fruitful

Yanamala Ramakrishnudu

(Senior TDP leader)

Today’s talks held by the Centre are not at all fruitful.

The Congress could not spell out a single word to resolve the Telangana issue or on the ongoing agitations in the State. The Centre did not state on how to put a full stop to the ongoing agitations.The statements of Chidambaram were the reason for the unrest in the State.

The Congress is in power both in the State and at the Centre. But, it did not make its stand clear on separate Telangana. The attitude of the Home Minister is not correct as he did not make any categorical statement in the meeting. If the Centre wanted to divide the State it should consult people of all the regions. After the Chidambaram’s statement the State was divided vertically.

Now, there are about 500 JACs in the State. If the Centre wanted to establish a mechanism, they should consult all the groups and all the JACs in all the regions of the State. The Centre not clarified whether the mechanism to be established will also cover separate statehood demands in 12 states. The Centre should also consider all such demands. When there is a demand for bifurcating Tamil Nadu, Chidambaram said that such demands should be nipped in the bud. But, he wanted to divide Andhra Pradesh. The State Government should first restore peace in the State. We are not in power, the Congress should ensure better law and order.

No need for further talks

Revuri Prakash Reddy

(TDP MLA)

I demanded that the Centre fix a time-frame to carve out Telangana and straightaway introduce a Bill in Parliament favouring bifurcation of the State. There is no need for further talks and the Congress should honour its commitment.

The TDP is committed to Telangana and there is no deviation from it. Except Madhu Yashki Goud no one in the Congress is sincere about Telangana. Uttam Kumar Reddy is no exception. He did not speak in favour of Telangana at the meeting, He simply said that the Congress would abide by whatever decision it took on Telangana. I told the Union home minister that the Centre should stick to the statement he made on December 9.

Chidambaram tried to corner other Opposition parties, without making his stand clear.

This is objectionable. The Congress did not say whether it was committed to T or not. The Union home minister talked of consensus and road map but I could not understand what purpose they would serve. The home minster failed to answer our specific questions.

Impose Prez rule in State

Asaduddin Owaisi,

(MIM MP)

Andhra Pradesh is heading for a financial emergency.

There is no control on administration. The Centre should impose President’s rule in the State. The MIM will make its stand clear on T, only after the Centre announced its decision.

Consultations should continue for now. As regards the mechanism and roadmap for carrying forward the process of wider discussions with all stake-holders in a structured and timebound manner. Our party requested the Union Government to set up a committee of senior bureaucrats or national leaders to go into the future of Andhra Pradesh. The scopes of the committee shall be confined to Andhra Pradesh only and it shall be given a definite time-frame to give its findings so that a lasting solution can be worked out to the protracted issue to the satisfaction of all stake-holders from the three regions of the State. Our party should be given reasonable time to formulate and forward our opinion on the future of Andhra Pradesh to the high-powered committee. If the Union Government is not ready to form the committee, the Union Home Minister should give us reasonable time to give our opinion on this sensitive issue.

Introduce bill in Parliament

B Dattatreya,

(BJP State president)

My party is committed for Telangana State. The Central Government should introduce a Bill in the Parliament budget session without any further delay. It should also give an assurance to the people who settled in Hyderabad about their safety. “We totally oppose the second SRC for carving out Telangana State. I am here with submitting the BJP national committee’s resolution. I am also furnishing various documents, which thoroughly expose the injustice done to Telangana and the reasons for the backwardness of the region. ''

What is the criterion, Mr Home Minister?

Chiranjeevi,

(PRP)

WE are thankful to you for your invitation to this meeting. The agitations in the State have caused loss of millions of manhours.

They have also adversely affected the lives of crores of people.

State’s industrial development has come to a halt. It has adversely affected the potentiality of employment. Students are unable to continue their academic activity. There is a danger of losing the academic year. Mr Home Minister, your statement without consultations opened a Pandora’s Box and caused a rift among Telugu people who had been living in harmony till then. We have discussed this with our party cadre extensively and adopted a stand to support United State. Our party wants to know the criterion for creating new states _ backwardness of a region, demands of a community or demands of a political party. If backwardness of a region is the criterion you have to create 1,000 States. If the demand of a political party is considered you need to create 3,000 States.

Backwardness of a region can be eradicated with comprehensive planning, using resources meaningfully and by giving funds.

Honour T-commitment

K Narayana,

(CPI State Secretary)

THE Centre should honour its statement of Dec 9 and expedite the process of formation of Telangana State. I presented the resolution passed by the CPI seeking separate Telangana.

Telangana region is very backward and a lot of injustice has been done to the region in all these years due to the policies of the State and Central Governments. Both the governments have failed to implement the rights enshrined in the constitution including 610 GO.

CPI is also opposing the formation of a second States Reorganisation Committee (SRC).

Constituting a second SRC is nothing but opening a Pandora’s Box. If the Centre links the Telangana statehood demand with similar demands in other States, it will only lead to a delay in the decision on Telangana.

All the parties should play a constructive role to find a proper amicable solution to Telangana issue. Congress is the ruling party in the State and at the Centre, and should come out first with a clearcut stand on Telangana. CPI will help the democratic process to carve out Telangana. The Centre should take necessary steps to finalise a mechanism and roadmap for the formation of Telangana.

End the impasse through talks

BV Raghavulu,

(CPM State secretary)

The Centre should end the present impasse in the State through consultations.

The Central Government should find an amicable solution for the T-issue by respecting the feelings of the people of all regions in the state. The Congress is responsible for the present turmoil in the State. The Congress is the culprit and it should only find a solution to this. The CPM is committed to the philosophy of linguistic states. We are not ready to oppose and support Telangana state. I feel that Telangana demand came to the fore due to the misrule and misdeeds of the successive Central and State governments. At this critical juncture, the Centre is asking the opinions of the Opposition parties to overcome their internal political crisis

Got to hand it to the united andhra lobbies on the internet and the media circuits. They know what there doing. All that needs to be done to keep telangana from getting away is being done. You cannot let a slave escape knowing very well what you did to him. Once, the slave tried to escape after setting fire to the masters house but was caught and tortured. Was caught when he tried to escape in 69 and his legs were broken. Now the slave has a grudge. The master knows. The slaves legs have begun to heal. The master knows. The slave plans revenge. The master knows. You cannot let him get away at this stage. Master wants to subdue the slave. Pacify him with the soothing sounds of unity and brotherhood.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 06 Jan 2010 14:28

anuj wrote: Got to hand it to the united andhra lobbies on the internet and the media circuits. They know what there doing. All that needs to be done to keep telangana from getting away is being done. You cannot let a slave escape knowing very well what you did to him. Once, the slave tried to escape after setting fire to the masters house but was caught and tortured. Was caught when he tried to escape in 69 and his legs were broken. Now the slave has a grudge. The master knows. The slaves legs have begun to heal. The master knows. The slave plans revenge. The master knows. You cannot let him get away at this stage. Master wants to subdue the slave. Pacify him with the soothing songs of unity and brotherhood.

What kind of rant is this? Why are you hell bent on denigrating the discussion with hyperboles?

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 06 Jan 2010 14:34

Fight the Power.
Telangana XXXI: Free 1948. Surrender 1956. Free 2010

New Year’s Eve
This year, hopefully, we will get our Telangana. On the New Year’s Eve, students and many supporters of Telangana held all night vigil (called ‘Jagarana’) in Osmania University, Kakatiya University, and other places. They held lighted candles and listened to Telangana ballads and speeches the whole night. Those who oppose Telangana Movement hoped that Telangana protestors would disturb the New Year celebrations. They wanted the world to know how unruly, uncouth and barbaric the Telangana protestors were. Much to their disappointment, New Year celebrations went down peacefully.

Maha Garjana
The ‘mighty roar’ of Telangana students went off peacefully on 3rd January 2010. Anywhere between 80,000 to 200,000 students turned up at Arts College of Osmania University. These students came in from different parts of Telangana. Many students were stopped by police from entering the city and yet the turnout was huge. This few hours event went peacefully much to the dismay of those who wanted to see violence so that they can discredit the movement.

The students called for a separate Telangana. Some of them asked the student body not to trust even the Telangana politicians, and asked the students to keep the struggle on till we attain Telangana.

Revivalism
We are seeing a spate of Telangana ballads and songs on TV these days, thanks to Telangana Movement. We see Gaddar-like singers singing the political, economic and social messages, inspiring millions around Telangana. We are not happy just with clichés like ‘kalasi unte kaladu sukam’ (we will be happy if we are together). Instead we sing ‘amaraveerulaku johaar’, dedicated to our forefathers who have laid lives for the cause of our people. Little girls sing the songs of deprivation, wretchedness, the sorry plight of Telangana people. The songs move anyone who understands them, bring tears into your eyes, and make you sing and dance to them. Some Andhras continue to describe them cheap and silly.

However, Telanganas are no longer ashamed of singing their songs and speaking their dialect. Now they do so with pride. They do so even on the podiums in public rallies.

Animosity towards Andhras
For nearly sixty years now Telangana has endured discrimination, marginalization and domination from Andhras within the united state of Andhra Pradesh, and yet, if you recount the entire number of reprisals or violent attacks, you can hardly count them on your fingers. People of Telangana, though averse to living in the same state with Andhras, do not carry so much spite that they would actually resort to direct violence.

And yet, in the last thirty days, the animosity towards Andhras is only growing, thanks to delay tactics employed by proponents of Samaikya Andhra to stop Telangana from happening. The reason for this growing hatred and animosity lies squarely with the politicians of Andhra and people of Andhra who are opposing the formation of Telangana.

More the delay more the animosity. There is no need for that.

Message to everyone

To Andhras
Give up Telangana to Telanganas immediately. Give up Hyderabad to Telanganas immediately. No Telangana person is eyeing any of your cities or your assets. They just want to start a journey on their own – making their own state. They have waited for that to happen for fifty three years now. Think big. Respect it. And allow it to happen. You will not lose anything though you think that way. The more you delay it or the more you stop it, the more there will be animosity in this region. That is not good in the near term or in the long run. Why stop the inevitable?

To Andhra Settlers
As any immigrant you have not bothered to understand the region called Telangana. You were only interested in your well-being and well-being of your city called Hyderabad. But now Telangana is going through a crisis. Where do you stand? Do you sympathize with your Andhra brothers of Andhra region who don’t want to give up Telangana? Or do you sympathize with your new found home which is linked to the fate of people of Telangana?

Yes, I understand you never got a chance to understand what this guy from Warangal wants. You find him alien. But please understand that he finds you alien too. So, instead of debating who is alien, whether an Andhra person settled in Hyderabad for 10 years or whether Warangal goon coming to Hyderabad for the first time, it’s better that you reconcile to the fact that this city is linked to region for far longer than your 10-year stay. And this city is beacon of hope for this region. And whether you like it or not you are part of it. Now, it’s time for you to make your stand clear.

I have heard a sane voice from a person settled in Hyderabad who has come out and said, yes I have understood the case of Telangana and therefore I support it.

The highlight of Thursday was the presence of K. Prasuna representing the ‘settlers’ at the relay hunger strike camp. Ms. Prasuna maintained that many of those who settled in Hyderabad but hail from other regions want Telangana to be a separate State.

Amidst lusty cheers and clapping, Ms. Prasuna said those who have settled in Hyderabad want to live in Telangana only, though they might have relations with other regions. “This would not make any difference even if the State is bifurcated. We can live peacefully here,” Ms. Prasuna told the gathering.

To Telanganas
This is directed specially to the leaders of Telangana. Stop making threats. We don’t want to go down that path. We can’t sow such seed of hatred. I will be the first guy criticizing you once you form new government. Will you call me a traitor then? Stop these threats now.

People of Telangana, don’t encourage our leaders to make those threats. Yes, it may feel good for momentarily, but it is not sustainable force. It will lead to a bad Telangana.

To others:
You may think we have bad leaders. But remembers this, bad leaders can be removed. The leaders you see now may not even rule us. But a separate Telangana will not stop because you think it has bad leaders or because the region is growing in animosity.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 06 Jan 2010 14:42

milindc wrote:What kind of rant is this? Why are you hell bent on denigrating the discussion with hyperboles?

This thread is already over-run with united lunnies. You want to discuss about telangana without the telanganites?

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 06 Jan 2010 14:48

Admins,
Troll alert..

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 06 Jan 2010 15:00

SandeepA wrote:Admins,
Troll alert..

Nope. "Party Pooper" alert is more appropriate.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 06 Jan 2010 15:07

anuj wrote:
milindc wrote:What kind of rant is this? Why are you hell bent on denigrating the discussion with hyperboles?
This thread is already over-run with united lunnies. You want to discuss about telangana without the telanganites?

No sir, we want you here. You may be useful when there is a Jai Warangal movement

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 06 Jan 2010 15:13

milindc wrote:No sir, we want you here. You may be useful when there is a Jai Warangal movement

Thank you. You just implied that im out to split india. Such nice knowledge of english basha you have. I salute thee united andhra internet lobby.

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 06 Jan 2010 15:22

anuj wrote: Got to hand it to the united andhra lobbies on the internet and the media circuits. They know what there doing. All that needs to be done to keep telangana from getting away is being done. You cannot let a slave escape knowing very well what you did to him. Once, the slave tried to escape after setting fire to the masters house but was caught and tortured. Was caught when he tried to escape in 69 and his legs were broken. Now the slave has a grudge. The master knows. The slaves legs have begun to heal. The master knows. The slave plans revenge. The master knows. You cannot let him get away at this stage. Master wants to subdue the slave. Pacify him with the soothing songs of unity and brotherhood.

Let me indulge before you get banned for baiting..

What about the so called slave seeking vengence from the original master? Yes the one that dragged you away from your brothers..raped your womenfolk...destroyed your temples...enslaved you for 400yrs..messed up your original language and all sense of self-worth..essentially made you feel so different from your brothers and branded you forever with names like Karimanagar, Nizamabad, Adilabad etc? Oh I forgot he is way too agressive to mess with!

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 06 Jan 2010 15:45

T-Vadis burn trucks carrying mid-day meals

...our trucks carrying mid-day meals to poor children had been burnt in Hyderabad by the Telangana agitators. The food was taken out and thrown away and our canisters burnt.
That day, 3,000 children waited for their only meal of the day that never came while protesters pressed on with their violent cause.

I would be so much more reassured if those agitating for smaller states could provide us with a vision document on how governance will impact on children. But as things stand, such agitations seem to be by politicians, for politicians and of politicians. In all this, the fact that millions of children depend on good government for survival seems lost. Even for NGOs, it is vital to have supportive governments so that we can function in our role of supplementing the state. The destruction of food meant for children inspires little confidence. How do you explain to a child that an agitation for an objective that lies in the distant future deprived her of her only meal of the day? That it would take some days for those providing food to recover from their losses and get things back on track? That NGOs have to be careful not to offend any political formation so that they can reach their food to the needy on time?

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 06 Jan 2010 15:56

SandeepA wrote: What about the so called slave seeking vengence from the original master? Yes the one that dragged you away from your brothers..raped your womenfolk...destroyed your temples...enslaved you for 400yrs..messed up your original language and all sense of self-worth..essentially made you feel so different from your brothers and branded you forever with names like Karimanagar, Nizamabad, Adilabad etc? Oh I forgot he is way too agressive to mess with!

Didn't something like this make the erstwhile sane population of Pakistan become what they are now? I hope the psyche of my T-brothers isn't similarly damaged.

bahdada · Post by **bahdada** » 06 Jan 2010 16:12

Anuj,

You sir, are a complete moron. Thank god for spell check otherwise your trite rants would be as hilarious as all the misspelled T-gana separatist graffiti around HYD. The delicious irony being that they all claim to be students but I find it hard to believe they're all 2nd graders.

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SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 06 Jan 2010 16:28

a_bharat wrote:
SandeepA wrote: What about the so called slave seeking vengence from the original master? Yes the one that dragged you away from your brothers..raped your womenfolk...destroyed your temples...enslaved you for 400yrs..messed up your original language and all sense of self-worth..essentially made you feel so different from your brothers and branded you forever with names like Karimanagar, Nizamabad, Adilabad etc? Oh I forgot he is way too agressive to mess with!
Didn't something like this make the erstwhile sane population of Pakistan become what they are now? I hope the psyche of my T-brothers isn't similarly damaged.

Yes, exactly my thoughts. I guess this makes a perfect case study for how a region will look after an Islamisation program is abandoned half-cooked. The loss of self-worth..the alienation from kin..the Stockholm syndrome..the lahori logic.
I am not being sarcastic here..this is sadly true and West Punjab and East Bengal may have looked like this before they were lost forever.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 06 Jan 2010 16:41

Re : statistics.

The Telies' complain is not about under-development of Telangana region, but their vibe is that all opportunities in Telangana were devoured by Costa. This may be true, because in 1960s, Costas dominated netadom, babudom, judocracy etc. and while Telies got into netadom due to election, they could not penetrate into babudom, judocracy as they are nepotic institutions.

Any data to prove it wrong will need residency going 3 generations back. eg some HCj may claim that he is Teli, and may even be Telangana born, but his father may be Costa in which case he is of Costa origin. Sadly, we dont have data on residency. So I dont know how either party can prove or disprove the claims that "Costas cornered development in Telangana".

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anuj · Post by **anuj** » 06 Jan 2010 20:58

SandeepA wrote:What about...

You mean nizam? They are long gone. Here

a_bharat wrote:I hope the psyche of my T-brothers isn't similarly damaged.

lol Your one to care.

bahdada wrote:You sir, are a complete moron.

Thank you but could you substantiate that claim?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 06 Jan 2010 21:05

This is a news item i came across.
By R Shankar, India Syndicate, 06/01/2010

Behave first, Telangana next, Home Minister tells AP

New Delhi: Many may have noticed on TV how on a foggy and ice-cold Tuesday leaders from eight parties from Andhra Pradesh, wrapped in wool, fumed and flexed their muscles before going into Home Minister P Chidambaram’s chambers for extracting their pound of flesh from the Telangana mess. But two hours later, the fire had vanished and there was an icy cold response and, surprisingly, everyone spoke almost on the same lines.

What brought about the change? Sources told India Syndicate that as soon as the parties settled for talks, pro and anti Telangana voices were raised. The Home Minister asked the parties to shut up, though not in so many words, and see what he had to present.

Then came a 45-minute long presentation which put forth hard and irrefutable evidence to show that extreme Left elements - the Naxalites and Maoists - had deeply infiltrated the Telangana movement. Presenting pictures and facts painstakingly collected and collated by AP Governor Narasimhan, the Home Minister showed ample proof the it is not the students who are spearheading the Telangana movement, but the Naxalites.

Sources said that the Governor had sent a voluminous report on why it would be dangerous to fragment Andhra Pradesh now. Most inputs were collected by the Intelligence Department in the State and the Centre and the special wing formed to tackle naxalite menace. A separate Telangana is what the Naxalites want because it will give them ample opportunity to regroup when a new state is formed as the law and order machinery would be weak.

Chidambaram asked the meeting to be mindful of the Naxal threat, and their interest in a separate state. "I wish to caution all political parties that there are forces waiting in the wings who ridicule parliamentary democracy and who would be happy if we collectively fail to find answers to the issues that concern us and we should not give any room for these forces to gain strength or credence," he said.

Police detain a Telangana supporter protesting outside the Home Ministry during an all-party meeting over Telangana issue in New Delhi on Tuesday. The meeting was convened by Union Home Minister P Chidambaram. PTI
He urged all parties to show "accommodation and goodwill". "There must be a halt to agitations and bandhs. Law and order must be maintained. Children must go to schools and colleges. People must be allowed to carry on their normal day-to-day activities. Government must be able to focus on development and the welfare of the people," Chidambaram said.

The first to lose his voice was Telangana Rashtra Samiti chief K Chandrasekhara Rao. Sources said that he kept mum and raised a feeble protest. But the Home Minister sent across a message saying "you started all this, now it is your headache and duty to cap the violence first before demanding Telangana."

A Telangana supporter shouts slogans as he is taken away in a police van during a protest outside the Home Ministry during an all-party meeting over Telangana issue in New Delhi on Tuesday. The meeting was convened by Union Home Minister P Chidambaram. PTI

Chidambaram told all the parties that the first and foremost priority is to establish law and order. Only then can the process of the formation of Telangana start.

The State, he said, cannot be held to ransom through bandhs and violence that put the common man in untold hardships. Life has to come back to normalcy before anything can be discussed. And the responsibility for establishing peace is on all the shoulders, the told the leaders of the eight parties that attended the meeting.

But the Home Minister said once law and order is established, the Centre will consider setting up a panel to hold consultations with all stakeholders.
The panel could be a committee of experts headed by a retired judge of the Supreme Court, or a ministerial committee, or a mix of both.

Later, the parties and their Andhra units largely reiterated their stated positions at Tuesday's meeting. TRS chief K Chandrasekhara Rao and BJP leader Bandaru Dattatreya asked the Centre to take immediate steps to create Telengana. PRP chief Chiranjeevi said his party was for a united Andhra.

Representatives from the Congress and TDP were divided along Telangana and non-Telangana lines. The CPI(M) stressed the need for a peaceful resolution.

Except for the BJP , which sought the tabling of a statehood Bill in the next session of Parliament, all parties agreed on setting up a mechanism for further consultations. The MIM's Asaduddin Owaisi wanted President's Rule in the state to control law and order.

Telangana supporters shout slogans as they are taken away in a police van during a protest outside the Home Ministry during an all-party meeting over Telangana issue in New Delhi on Tuesday. The meeting was convened by Union Home Minister P Chidambaram. PTI

"It appears to me that no one is opposed to further consultations with other groups and stakeholders. Should such consultations become necessary, they were keen that these should be completed in a reasonable time," Chidambaram said.

Later, in a joint statement, the parties said they had expressed their views at the meeting and these had been noted by the Centre. "Meanwhile, it is our earnest appeal that peace, harmony and law and order should be maintained in the state."

Any other news item

Crucial Telangana talks get a new Naxalite twist

New Delhi: Ahead of the all-party meeting on the Telangana issue today (Tuesday), the security establishment is learnt to have made it known to the political leadership that smaller states have so far only benefited the Maoists and this should be factored in while taking any such step in Andhra Pradesh.

In discussions at the highest level over the past couple of days, top government sources said the assessment from security agencies is that carving out Telengana would help Maoists regroup in the Andhra region.

"Remnants of the Maoist movement are strongest in Telengana so any break-up of the state (Andhra) will help them," said a source.

According to the security assessment given to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, the creation of Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand helped Maoists entrench better, as they took advantage of administrative problems in a new state.

One of the students performing a traditional dance gestures during a meeting by those demanding the creation of a separate Telangana state at the Osmania University, in Hyderabad. AP

Officials say Telangana forms a "geographically contiguous unit" with Maoist strongholds in Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand and Gadchiroli in Maharashtra.

Maoist leaders have repeatedly called for a mass militant movement to get a separate state. CPI (Maoist) leader Mallojula Koteswar Rao has been quoted in the local media as saying no one but the Maoists were serious about the Telangana cause.

Significantly, following the resignation of N D Tiwari -- after the sex tape scandal -- the government asked Chhattisgarh Governor E S L Narasimhan, former Director of Intelligence Bureau, to hold additional charge. Given the Maoist undercurrent to the Telangana movement, this was a move to ensure that the security angle is not overlooked in the deliberations ahead.

At the same time, sources said, the political aspect of the movement has made the issue complicated for the Centre which is striving to obtain a consensus. The hope is that other political parties -- and leaders within the Congress, too -- will appreciate the gravity of the situation and endorse restraint rather than any hurried movement.

While the political leadership will be at the forefront of the negotiations, the security assessment will weigh heavily on their minds as the government moves to step up operations against the Maoists.

Contrary to earlier plans of a massive offensive, sources said, the effort is now to pick up a few areas, provide additional Central forces and conduct intelligence-based specific operations. In this context, it is important that "fresh sanctuaries" are not created as they could hamper these efforts.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 06 Jan 2010 21:09

I hope the admin will not delete these items just like they have deleted my earlier ones.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 06 Jan 2010 21:12

Telangana XXXII: Don’t give in. Don’t give up

Dear TS-JAC (Telangana Students Joint Action Committee):

Yesterday, P Chidambaram talked of more consultations and more consensus building. Though he had earlier made a strong case for a separate Telangana on 9th December 2009, he has gone back on that statement because of the agitations of Samaikya Andhra. This change in the stance is a direct result of show of strength of our neighbors who don’t want to give up Telangana. They will continue to resort to all kinds of tricks to besmirch Telangana Movement so that Center doesn’t carve a new state of Telangana. This is not the first time they have done this. Even during 1955-56, they have lobbied hard in New Delhi giving many reasons why a separate Telangana should not be formed, including the hypothesis that it would be dominated by Muslims, and that it would be a stronghold for Communist Party. Now, they are doing the same.

The current Telangana Movement is being characterized as a Naxal movement or a militant movement in order to completely eliminate the chances of creation of Telangana. Anti-Telangana forces have metamorphosized their opposition from the fight for a United Andhra, then to fight for Hyderabad, and now it is a portrayed as fight for national security.

What should we do now?

1. Intensify the agitation. There is no turning back now. We can’t wait for another fifty three years to get Telangana. Don’t stop. Don’t give in. Carry on the agitation – more intensely and more fiercely. Use Non-cooperation as the tool.

Tell your cadre not to make irresponsible statements. During Garjana, someone talked about kicking out settlers from Hyderabad. When such statements are made, only those statements are highlighted by the media and will be used against the whole Telangana Movement. Even people like me will start getting fears that tomorrow you will also kick me out because I will be first in line to criticize the newly formed Telangana’s government and administration. There is a greater need to keep a tight check on all statements made by all Telangana agitators. For that there needs to a training, a pamphlet on guidelines on how to talk and what to talk.

Tell your cadre not to indulge in any kind of violence. Right now, we are being characterized as Taliban, Al Qaeda and Naxalites with only one aim - To showcase that we are a militant movement. That way they can stop Telangana Movement completely as a threat to national security. We shall not give them a chance to characterize us that way. Use the methods prescribe by Gandhi, use non-violence, use non-cooperation. If they think we are militants and naxalites, then let them arrest entire 4 Crore population. Let us all go to jails en masse.
2. Say No to consensus. Say Yes to referendum. When was the last time someone who stole a golden goose from the neighbor gave it up voluntarily? Why will Andhra give up Telangana? Why does anyone think that there will be consensus in Andhra Pradesh on Telangana issue? We just talked and talked for the last sixty years. Nothing came out of those talks. That’s because Andhras are not really keen on giving up Telangana, no matter what. And what we want is a separate Telangana, no matter what. There’s a deadlock. Say no to agreements, say no formulas, say no to supervisory committees, say no to consensus building. None of them have yielded results for Telangana people.

Isn’t it funny that P Chidamabaram is asking the opinion of political parties in Andhra Pradesh instead of asking the representatives of each region irrespective of political parties? That would have been truly democratic.

Instead say Yes to referendum. Force the center to hold a referendum. If it is not feasible to hold it with people of Telangana, then hold it with elected members of Telangana, MPs, MLAs, MLCs. Ask them if they want Telangana. Why should you ask Andhras if they want to give up Telangana? It’s like taking a referendum in Britain to ask if India should be given Independence.
3. Educate other Indians on Telangana Movement. Spread the word to everyone outside Andhra Pradesh. Use every possible media outlet to make a strong and cogent case for Telangana so that the following myths are shattered.

That Telangana is a new movement.

That Telanganas are doing this only to get the new city of Hyderabad.

That Telangana Movement is creation of few petty politicians to grab power.

That Telangana Movement is a product of regional chauvinism.

That Telangana Movement will give growth to Maoist Movement.

That Telangana Movement is infiltrated by Maoists.

That Telanganas will beat up or kill Andhra people once the state is formed.

That Telangana people are uncivilized, unreasonable, and violent.
There is no way we can get Telangana unless we sell out story to everyone in India. We have to make every Indian understand our plight. We have to lobby hard starting today.

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 06 Jan 2010 21:27

'The people of Telangana are treated as second-rate citizens'
December 31, 2009 16:00 IST
http://news.rediff.com/interview/2009/d ... as-raj.htm

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 06 Jan 2010 21:35

joshvajohn wrote:'The people of Telangana are treated as second-rate citizens'
December 31, 2009 16:00 IST
http://news.rediff.com/interview/2009/d ... as-raj.htm

From that article

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When Jawaharlal Nehru announced the formation of a united Andhra Pradesh, he commented, "an innocent girl called Telangana is being married to a naughty boy called Andhra. It is their choice to continue or to get separated."

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 06 Jan 2010 21:49

Request folks to keep the tempers cool; do not derail the thread.

Anuj, if I may say so, "party pooper" role is not appreciated on BR and I would not like to see you banned when you have potential to post quality arguments.

Narayana Rao wrote:I hope the admin will not delete these items just like they have deleted my earlier ones.

Please provide the link and do not pasts the whole article which will put BR at risk of copyright violation. No wonder they will be removed by admins. But why put them to unnecessary work?

If you want to highlight a section or two, go ahead but no need to post the whole article. But please do post the link - We need to know who is saying besides what is being said.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Jan 2010 21:58

Who said what at Delhi meet

Ball is in Centre’s court

Kavuri Sambasiva Rao

(Congress MP)

OUR party member Uttam Kumar Reddy (Telangana) agreed to abide by whatever the decision the Centre takes on Telangana. I placed my views before the Centre about the need to have United Andhra Pradesh. Majority of the parties at the meeting favoured consultations with all the stakeholders to resolve the issue. I felt the need for extensive consultations. The participants requested for fixing a time-frame for consultations but Chidambaram said that a decision by the Centre would be announced after discussions with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and by the Union Cabinet. At present, the ball (issue) is in the Central Government’s court.

Need for time-frame

Uttam Kumar Reddy

(Congress MLA)

THE Centre should fix a time-frame for any mechanism in respect of formation Telangana. There is no truth in the reports about involvement of Naxalites or Maoists in the Telangana movement. There is no recruitment by Naxalites in the region and also there will be no change in the Naxalite activities even after formation of Telangana state.

Everything will be the same. The ongoing agitation by the university students is voluntary.

The Central Government should not take a decision against Telangana based on reports (received by it from the State) since they are wrong. Cases filed against agitating Osmania University students have not been withdrawn yet. I condemned parties for making a U-turn on their stand on Telangana after the December 9th statement by the Centre.

I justified the reasons for formation of Telangana state. Today’s meeting is a followup of December 9 statement. Another decision (by the Centre) on the issue will come only after normalcy is restored in the State.

Overall, the voices of Telanganites were stronger at the meeting as compared to integrationists’.

Except for the PRP, CPM and MIM, all other five parties spoke in favour of Telangana.

Union Home Minister P Chidambaram’s response at the meeting indicated that the Telangana state formation process would definitely go ahead.

Talks not fruitful

Yanamala Ramakrishnudu

(Senior TDP leader)

Today’s talks held by the Centre are not at all fruitful.

The Congress could not spell out a single word to resolve the Telangana issue or on the ongoing agitations in the State. The Centre did not state on how to put a full stop to the ongoing agitations.The statements of Chidambaram were the reason for the unrest in the State.

The Congress is in power both in the State and at the Centre. But, it did not make its stand clear on separate Telangana. The attitude of the Home Minister is not correct as he did not make any categorical statement in the meeting. If the Centre wanted to divide the State it should consult people of all the regions. After the Chidambaram’s statement the State was divided vertically.

Now, there are about 500 JACs in the State. If the Centre wanted to establish a mechanism, they should consult all the groups and all the JACs in all the regions of the State. The Centre not clarified whether the mechanism to be established will also cover separate statehood demands in 12 states. The Centre should also consider all such demands. When there is a demand for bifurcating Tamil Nadu, Chidambaram said that such demands should be nipped in the bud. But, he wanted to divide Andhra Pradesh. The State Government should first restore peace in the State. We are not in power, the Congress should ensure better law and order.

No need for further talks

Revuri Prakash Reddy

(TDP MLA)

I demanded that the Centre fix a time-frame to carve out Telangana and straightaway introduce a Bill in Parliament favouring bifurcation of the State. There is no need for further talks and the Congress should honour its commitment.

The TDP is committed to Telangana and there is no deviation from it. Except Madhu Yashki Goud no one in the Congress is sincere about Telangana. Uttam Kumar Reddy is no exception. He did not speak in favour of Telangana at the meeting, He simply said that the Congress would abide by whatever decision it took on Telangana. I told the Union home minister that the Centre should stick to the statement he made on December 9.

Chidambaram tried to corner other Opposition parties, without making his stand clear.

This is objectionable. The Congress did not say whether it was committed to T or not. The Union home minister talked of consensus and road map but I could not understand what purpose they would serve. The home minster failed to answer our specific questions.

Impose Prez rule in State

Asaduddin Owaisi,

(MIM MP)

Andhra Pradesh is heading for a financial emergency.

There is no control on administration. The Centre should impose President’s rule in the State. The MIM will make its stand clear on T, only after the Centre announced its decision.

Consultations should continue for now. As regards the mechanism and roadmap for carrying forward the process of wider discussions with all stake-holders in a structured and timebound manner. Our party requested the Union Government to set up a committee of senior bureaucrats or national leaders to go into the future of Andhra Pradesh. The scopes of the committee shall be confined to Andhra Pradesh only and it shall be given a definite time-frame to give its findings so that a lasting solution can be worked out to the protracted issue to the satisfaction of all stake-holders from the three regions of the State. Our party should be given reasonable time to formulate and forward our opinion on the future of Andhra Pradesh to the high-powered committee. If the Union Government is not ready to form the committee, the Union Home Minister should give us reasonable time to give our opinion on this sensitive issue.

Introduce bill in Parliament

B Dattatreya,

(BJP State president)

My party is committed for Telangana State. The Central Government should introduce a Bill in the Parliament budget session without any further delay. It should also give an assurance to the people who settled in Hyderabad about their safety. “We totally oppose the second SRC for carving out Telangana State. I am here with submitting the BJP national committee’s resolution. I am also furnishing various documents, which thoroughly expose the injustice done to Telangana and the reasons for the backwardness of the region. ''

What is the criterion, Mr Home Minister?

Chiranjeevi,

(PRP)

WE are thankful to you for your invitation to this meeting. The agitations in the State have caused loss of millions of manhours.

They have also adversely affected the lives of crores of people.

State’s industrial development has come to a halt. It has adversely affected the potentiality of employment. Students are unable to continue their academic activity. There is a danger of losing the academic year. Mr Home Minister, your statement without consultations opened a Pandora’s Box and caused a rift among Telugu people who had been living in harmony till then. We have discussed this with our party cadre extensively and adopted a stand to support United State. Our party wants to know the criterion for creating new states _ backwardness of a region, demands of a community or demands of a political party. If backwardness of a region is the criterion you have to create 1,000 States. If the demand of a political party is considered you need to create 3,000 States.

Backwardness of a region can be eradicated with comprehensive planning, using resources meaningfully and by giving funds.

Honour T-commitment

K Narayana,

(CPI State Secretary)

THE Centre should honour its statement of Dec 9 and expedite the process of formation of Telangana State. I presented the resolution passed by the CPI seeking separate Telangana.

Telangana region is very backward and a lot of injustice has been done to the region in all these years due to the policies of the State and Central Governments. Both the governments have failed to implement the rights enshrined in the constitution including 610 GO.

CPI is also opposing the formation of a second States Reorganisation Committee (SRC).

Constituting a second SRC is nothing but opening a Pandora’s Box. If the Centre links the Telangana statehood demand with similar demands in other States, it will only lead to a delay in the decision on Telangana.

All the parties should play a constructive role to find a proper amicable solution to Telangana issue. Congress is the ruling party in the State and at the Centre, and should come out first with a clearcut stand on Telangana. CPI will help the democratic process to carve out Telangana. The Centre should take necessary steps to finalise a mechanism and roadmap for the formation of Telangana.

End the impasse through talks

BV Raghavulu,

(CPM State secretary)

The Centre should end the present impasse in the State through consultations.

The Central Government should find an amicable solution for the T-issue by respecting the feelings of the people of all regions in the state. The Congress is responsible for the present turmoil in the State. The Congress is the culprit and it should only find a solution to this. The CPM is committed to the philosophy of linguistic states. We are not ready to oppose and support Telangana state. I feel that Telangana demand came to the fore due to the misrule and misdeeds of the successive Central and State governments. At this critical juncture, the Centre is asking the opinions of the Opposition parties to overcome their internal political crisis

Very very interesting prespectives.

Sections of INC, TDP, TRS, CPI and BJP want Telangana.
Sections of INC, TDP, PRP, CPM dont want Telangana.

MIM wants Prseident's rule and will decide once the decision is made and wants to be consulted on future of Andhra Pradesh?

Paul, you are right as usual!!!

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 06 Jan 2010 22:06

OK. I see a lot of questions being asked about my seeking clarification from NC garu. I am afraid posters are not getting a simple point I am trying to make, which I am glad Rahul Mehta ji has captured (thanks!). I will wait for answers/explanations for few more days.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 06 Jan 2010 22:10

Yesterday, sri sri karan thapar had a show dedicated to telangana on india tonight. Maybe he'll have a telangana special tonight also.

Sarma · Post by **Sarma** » 06 Jan 2010 22:19

Oh Great! First, allegations are made that "Costa" people "devoured" the opportunities from the "Telangana" people. And then, the "Costa" people are asked to prove otherwise?? Why don't those who make the allegations also take the burden of the proof, instead of pushing it on to the shoulders of those who are being branded guilty?

I also don't understand this nepotism business and attributing it particularly to "migrants." Nepotism is a human tendency and occurs at various levels of the social strata. One thing is very clear. Nobody could get a job in "Telangana" before 1969 without a so-called mulki certificate, except for some jobs where positions were filled based on need than on residency requirements. The gripe is people got bogus mulki certificates. Yes, may be. But, is it also not the fault of some panchayat office guy in Nizamabad who is giving bogus certificates for 100 rupees?

The language is as if there was a conspiracy to rob people of their rightful opportunities. Whereas the situation is people came looking for opportunities with only their hard work to offer and show. Now, why blame people who worked hard and earned their place under the sun, just as many NRIs are doing all over the world. If the local people in these various countries start saying Indians are robbing them of their opportunities, is that the reality?

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 06 Jan 2010 22:36

Behave first, Telangana next, Home Minister tells AP

The first to lose his voice was Telangana Rashtra Samiti chief K Chandrasekhara Rao. Sources said that he kept mum and raised a feeble protest. But the Home Minister sent across a message saying "you started all this, now it is your headache and duty to cap the violence first before demanding Telangana."

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 06 Jan 2010 22:37

Sarma wrote:Oh Great! First, allegations are made that "Costa" people "devoured" the opportunities from the "Telangana" people. And then, the "Costa" people are asked to prove otherwise?? Why don't those who make the allegations also take the burden of the proof, instead of pushing it on to the shoulders of those who are being branded guilty?

Sarma garu,

Was it in response to my post? If you are using a data to show how good Telangana *grew*

relative to other regions and coming to that conclusion although in the absolute sense it still lags. Same data is showing evidence of migration thereby explains part of growth. The only other alternative is to say that there is a difference in fertility rate which is absurd.

What is your theory to explain the changes in population composition? Let us here them out.

Again, I am saying you(generic you) cannot just take the conclusion you want. My question to NC garu is very specific. How can that data refute good profs point?

I am surprised with the denial I am meeting on this simple thing - how can one negate relative disparity in the region without accounting for this fact?

Having shown this, I would like to move on to other things.

the situation is people came looking for opportunities with only their hard work to offer and show. Now, why blame people who worked hard and earned their place under the sun, just as many NRIs are doing all over the world. If the local people in these various countries start saying Indians are robbing them of their opportunities, is that the reality?

Actually, I am fine with this. It reflects accomodation of the earlier point. This can be basis for us to move forward with the recognition of the ground reality as well as addressing what needs to be done in future. Negating the obvious and spinning the conclusions as one wants will be called out.

Sarma · Post by **Sarma** » 06 Jan 2010 22:59

Satya_Anveshi garu: One thing is quite clear. That is: available official statistics leave ample scope to be interpreted either way by you and me, i.e. Telangana development vis a vis other regions by including/excluding Hyderabad or migration or whichever way you want to slice the data. But, one thing is also quite clear that nobody did "dochukunnaru" as alleged. I am glad at least this nonsense has been debunked by government statistics.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 06 Jan 2010 23:02

Small small things are leaking out on Central Congress' pimp.

Has KCR been sold out?
http://www.greatandhra.com/ganews/viewn ... 15&scat=16

KCR 'Secret Businesses': Sea Port, Ships And Rs 6000 Cr!!!!
http://www.greatandhra.com/ganews/viewn ... t=&scat=16

Note: Great Andhra site is called Gas Andhra meant for rumors (Gali matalu) whether true or not

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 06 Jan 2010 23:07

Sarma wrote:But, one thing is also quite clear that nobody did "dochukunnaru" as alleged. I am glad at least this nonsense has been debunked by government statistics.

Sarma garu,

I agree with you about "dochukunnaru" part. But disagree about interpretation of govt statistics part. That will be denial of ground reality (we cannot pick and choose the statistics we want with factors influencing those numbers and interpreting that data). If it is purely region comparison for planning purposes, we are fine. If you are talking about regional educational disparity in light of Telangana movement, then we are wrong to reach that conclusion without studying factors influencing the numbers. (this is really, really my last on this topic).

Hope you see where I am coming from.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 06 Jan 2010 23:09

Satya_anveshi,

You are making the same arguments as Raj Thackeray i.e. True Sons/Daughters of soil are being left behind. Raj Thackeray says North Indians came in and are robbing 'Marathi Manoos' of his dues. The migrants are coming in Hyd region and true Sons/Daughters are left behind.

Prof Jayashanker's argument is also disingenuous, when convenient he brings some statistic that includes Hyd (example Telangana contributes 50+% revenue) and then goes on to state that there is colonization of Hyd. Now, without folks coming from other parts of India and also from other regions of Hyd, would the revenue growth be possible in Hyd.

In fact, I doubt whether for his other claims whether he has included Hyderabad numbers as part of Telangana.

What beats me is that 70+% of Godhavari AP catchment area is in Telangana and hence it should get the corresponding share. Lets take that argument and tell it to Maharashtra, Chhattisgarh and Karnataka.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 06 Jan 2010 23:14

One other question (perhaps a nitpick) for Nalapoti Chakravarty garu:

What is the reason to call "Nizam Telangana" instead of just "Telangana"? Was there non-Nizam Telangana that is different/distinct/superset/subset of "Nizam Telangana"?

I don't see you say "Madras state - Coastal Andhra/Rayalaseema" or "Britist Coastal Andhra/Rayalaseema"

I was amused to see that term. Please help clarify.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 06 Jan 2010 23:15

If you want to "eliminate" migrants (official stats for which will be difficult to get), you also need to consider economic/social classification in those stats for comparison.

Let do economic/social stratification in 1956 and 2001 or 2005 numbers and compare growth rates across regions. This way we can skip rich and compare growth rates of bulk of people (middle class and below). I think those stats don't show disparity. *

* Since right kind of raw stats are not available. I did some rough calculations with whatever I have that pulled from various sources. They don't show disparity in growth rates.

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 06 Jan 2010 23:17

Narayana Rao wrote:This is a news item i came across.
By R Shankar, India Syndicate, 06/01/2010
R Shankar, Senior Editor

Shankar has over 25 years experience in journalism. He was the Resident Editor of The New Indian Express in charge of Karnataka and Kerala. Earlier, he served the newspaper as the Deputy Resident Editor in Hyderabad. Shankar was responsible for the launch of niche supplements like Science Express and Health

What brought about the change? Sources told India Syndicate that as soon as the parties settled for talks, pro and anti Telangana voices were raised. The Home Minister asked the parties to shut up, though not in so many words, and see what he had to present.

R Shankar wants us to believe Chidu is the macho hero and saviour now!!

Narayana Rao wrote: Then came a 45-minute long presentation which put forth hard and irrefutable evidence to show that extreme Left elements - the Naxalites and Maoists - had deeply infiltrated the Telangana movement. Presenting pictures and facts painstakingly collected and collated by AP Governor Narasimhan, the Home Minister showed ample proof the it is not the students who are spearheading the Telangana movement, but the Naxalites.

Sources said that the Governor had sent a voluminous report on why it would be dangerous to fragment Andhra Pradesh now. Most inputs were collected by the Intelligence Department in the State and the Centre and the special wing formed to tackle naxalite menace. A separate Telangana is what the Naxalites want because it will give them ample opportunity to regroup when a new state is formed as the law and order machinery would be weak.

What gives? Its not like the intelligence wing learnt in the past 2 weeks that smaller states help moaists. Weren't their inputs taken into account or did they not speak up earlier?

How was the argument made that Moaists can be preempted by Telangana's formation?

Narayana Rao wrote: Chidambaram asked the meeting to be mindful of the Naxal threat, and their interest in a separate state. "I wish to caution all political parties that there are forces waiting in the wings who ridicule parliamentary democracy and who would be happy if we collectively fail to find answers to the issues that concern us and we should not give any room for these forces to gain strength or credence," he said.

This precise argument was used to approve Sonia's birthday gift. The same argument is now being presented to to back-peddle. Slick!!

Narayana Rao wrote: He urged all parties to show "accommodation and goodwill". "There must be a halt to agitations and bandhs. Law and order must be maintained. Children must go to schools and colleges. People must be allowed to carry on their normal day-to-day activities. Government must be able to focus on development and the welfare of the people," Chidambaram said.

He needed to say this in November as the tempers were beginning to raise, when the situation was still not as polarized.

Narayana Rao wrote: The first to lose his voice was Telangana Rashtra Samiti chief K Chandrasekhara Rao. Sources said that he kept mum and raised a feeble protest. But the Home Minister sent across a message saying "you started all this, now it is your headache and duty to cap the violence first before demanding Telangana."

Chidu passes the burden to KCR now, sweet. Congress trying to come off as babe in the woods.

Narayana Rao wrote: Chidambaram told all the parties that the first and foremost priority is to establish law and order. Only then can the process of the formation of Telangana start.

Still keeping the audience engaged!

Narayana Rao wrote:The State, he said, cannot be held to ransom through bandhs and violence that put the common man in untold hardships. Life has to come back to normalcy before anything can be discussed. And the responsibility for establishing peace is on all the shoulders, the told the leaders of the eight parties that attended the meeting.

Any other news item
Crucial Telangana talks get a new Naxalite twist

Narayana Rao wrote: New Delhi: Ahead of the all-party meeting on the Telangana issue today (Tuesday), the security establishment is learnt to have made it known to the political leadership that smaller states have so far only benefited the Maoists and this should be factored in while taking any such step in Andhra Pradesh.

In discussions at the highest level over the past couple of days, top government sources said the assessment from security agencies is that carving out Telengana would help Maoists regroup in the Andhra region.

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According to the security assessment given to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, the creation of Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand helped Maoists entrench better, as they took advantage of administrative problems in a new state.
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Officials say Telangana forms a "geographically contiguous unit" with Maoist strongholds in Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand and Gadchiroli in Maharashtra.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 06 Jan 2010 23:35

Satya_anveshi wrote:One other question (perhaps a nitpick) for Nalapoti Chakravarty garu:

What is the reason to call "Nizam Telangana" instead of just "Telangana"? Was there non-Nizam Telangana that is different/distinct/superset/subset of "Nizam Telangana"?

I don't see you say "Madras state - Coastal Andhra/Rayalaseema" or "Britist Coastal Andhra/Rayalaseema"

I was amused to see that term. Please help clarify.

Not clear for me also. Probably because 1950s stats are for Nizam Telangana so he continued to used the term.

Strict border area of current Telengana (i.e 10 districts) is 1956 creation. They joined a few small areas to Nalgonda and Khammam.

Current Telengana is not same as historical Telangana which includes many areas in AP.

Even after 1823 sale of Circars (coastal districts Guntur and up)* out of Nizam area, Nizam had rights to some of port areas in Krishna/Guntur till independance.

* Coastal Nizam area that was leased to French was called Northern Circars. It was later leased to British until British bought it.
* Portion of Rayalaseema was in Nizam but was ceded in a different way.