="anishns"]Apparently, they don't allow Western Union either! However, I am not 100% sure about it. A colleague from the land of the pure was complaining about it the other day that it has been recently revoked abnormally
="vishal"]PayPal doesn't operate in 6 countries. Guess one of hem.
Extract: As of now, PayPal operates in 189 countries, that is like only six countries where Paypal does NOT operate
Thanks.munna wrote:^^Nearly there, will finish it off this weekend! Plus another one coming up.
DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan (AP) -- A U.S. missile strike in Pakistan killed one of the FBI's most-wanted terrorists, a man suspected in a deadly 1986 plane hijacking with a $5 million bounty on his head, three Pakistani intelligence officials said Friday.
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The intelligence officials said a Jan. 9 missile strike in the North Waziristan tribal region killed Jamal Saeed Abdul Rahim. The FBI's Web site lists him as a Palestinian with possible Lebanese citizenship. The Pakistani officials called him an al-Qaida member, but the FBI site says he was a member of the Abu Nidal Palestinian terrorist group.
Rahim is wanted for his alleged role in the Sept. 5, 1986, hijacking of Pan American World Airways Flight 73 during a stop in the southern Pakistani city of Karachi, according to the FBI site.
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Rahim had been tried and convicted by Pakistan, but he and three suspected accomplices were apparently released in January 2008. All four were added to the FBI list late last year.
The FBI did not immediately respond to a request for comment Friday. The three Pakistani intelligence officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they lacked authority to speak to media on the record. They cited field informants and sources in militant ranks.
But the information is nearly impossible to verify independently because access to Pakistan's tribal regions is restricted.
andOn December 3, 2009, the FBI in coordination with the State Department announced a $5M reward for information that leads to the capture of each of the four hijackers of Pan Am 73 who were released from prison.[6][7]
thanks for sharing the thoughts. I agree that the essential nature of Pakistan is anti-Hindu, logically leading to Muslim supremacy over Hindus.shiv wrote:Which constituency in Pakistan might support India?KLNMurthy wrote: what levers of control do you think India has for achieving this influence?
I really don't know. I suspect the MEA and Intel agencies have some idea.
Despite its name "Islamic Republic of Pakistan" - the idea of Pakistan is less Islamic and more anti-Hindu. I say anti-Hindu and not anti India deliberately and I think history clearly bears this out. think it is important to recognise and acknowledge this.
That Pakistani establishment in particular needs to be rabidly anti-Hindu to survive and they have tried to make the entire country anti-Hindu. But just like in India where any Hindu-Muslim strife is often overridden by concerns of health and survival against common problems, the mango Abdul Pakistani may be anti-Hindu in the back of his mind from indoctrination, but with an absence of any Hindus nearby to hate and the very real presence of other reasons for being miserable hatred of the Hindu probably takes a back seat among sections of Pakistanis and it is these sections that need to be handled and possibly wooed with kid gloves.
On this forum we pride ourselves in the knowledge of Islamic tips and tricks. One frequently mentioned tactic is taqiyya. A Muslim can conceal his religion under threat or for some other purpose. But has anyone looked at Indian secularism as a form of Hindu taqiyya? A secular group of Indians addressing a group of receptive Pakistanis is one way of putting a few Pakistanis in Indian pockets. Chankian thinking, and a clearing of minds from rigid dogma is essential for this.
It needs to be noted that in their enthusiasm to create a nation of Hindu haters, the Paki establishment used Islam. They offered the same devout Muslims for sacrifices in a US cause in Afghanistan, in exchange for the US turning a blind eye to the use of Islamic fighters against India. Unfortunately for Pakis, pure Talibaniac Islam is not specifically anti Hindu like the Paki establishment. It is explicitly anti-semitic and anti-Christian. Now suddenly the Paki army/establishment finds that is holding a hot potato which they can't handle. The US is applying GUBO. And Pakis are gradually beginning taqqiya themselves - to the extent of one guy actually saying that the name "islamic" should be removed from the name Pakistan. The need for secularism/taqiyya is becoming urgent and a group of Pakis is now begging India to throw scraps at Pakis.
There might possibly be the seeds of some opportunity here that we need to grab. Taqiyya is the name of the game, and secularism is its name. Pakistan's problem may be that one man's taqqiya is another bushy bearded man's munafiq(oon) or whatever..
Just some random thoughts.
Alcohol is Harem for Muslims!arun wrote:Hmm ……….. “Joh Lahore me bewada, woh Colorado mein be bewada”
The wine guzzling, aircraft toilet occupying while shaving shoeless, sockless and shirtless antics of Pakistani citizen Muhammad Abu Tahir:
shiv wrote:It needs to be noted that in their enthusiasm to create a nation of Hindu haters, the Paki establishment used Islam. They offered the same devout Muslims for sacrifices in a US cause in Afghanistan, in exchange for the US turning a blind eye to the use of Islamic fighters against India. Unfortunately for Pakis, pure Talibaniac Islam is not specifically anti Hindu like the Paki establishment. It is explicitly anti-semitic and anti-Christian. Now suddenly the Paki army/establishment finds that is holding a hot potato which they can't handle. The US is applying GUBO. And Pakis are gradually beginning taqqiya themselves - to the extent of one guy actually saying that the name "islamic" should be removed from the name Pakistan. The need for secularism/taqiyya is becoming urgent and a group of Pakis is now begging India to throw scraps at Pakis.
its a banditocracySingha wrote:seems to me TSP is run on the likes of a very large scale criminal, mafia and terrorist org.
informers, fall buys, capo's , street captains, thieves, gun runners, cops on the take....
is it even a real country or just a armed camp as Ramana sometimes says?
Only in a terrorist loving country TSP:ramana wrote:AmberG, I am reliving the horror of those days with the above news report.
Its being quite a loooong time , need some big dhamaka especially in pindiThe authorities have declared security red alert in twin cities of Islamabad and Rawalpindi after reports about entry of two suicide bombers on Friday.
Security has been beefed up at key government installations, buildings, airports, railway stations and other public places and surveillance cameras have been installed at red zone areas after the intelligence reports about entry of the two suicide attackers in twin cities.
Police have started strict checking of the people and vehicles at police posts, while in a search operation 65 suspects have been arrested.
Peace is a very beautiful concept, but Indian and Pakistani conceptions are different. Pakistan sees India as just another neighbour, while India sees itself as a great power in its neighbourhood, its hegemonic position accepted by all. While Pakistan, by its very nature as a new state, has been trying to find a role for itself, India sees itself as the inheritor of the British legacy of the Raj, with the difference that many of today’s states did not exist, or were British colonies controlled from London through the India Office. The Indian task, to rule in the region and establish a true Hindu society, is made all the more difficult. Because of this disconnect, India has always looked askance at Pakistan, even after splitting it in 1971 and managing the secession of Bangladesh, and has always been suspicious of what is the second largest power on the subcontinent and in the region, even though much smaller than India.
AS AFZAL TAHIR was reciting the Koran last month, and otherwise minding his own business—an electrical repair shop—four Muslim fundamentalists came to threaten him. If they caught Mr Tahir masquerading as a Muslim again, they said, he would pay for it: with up to three years in prison, which is the penalty for members of the Ahmadiya sect who are convicted of that crime
The shop next to Mr Tahir’s is pasted with anti-Ahmadi slogans. One screams “Every Ahmadi is a blasphemer like Salman Rushdie”. Asked whether this wasn’t rather un-neighbourly, the proprietor, Muhammad Rafiq, replies, “Whatever the mullahs say must be right.”
I've read all the links at the first page of this thread and followed this thread for years. But I still can't fathom how the heck the pukis can be so dense. It is not some village idiot educated by an insular mullah but a seemingly 'english' educated person in a city and with access to information from all over the world as to how things work in India. And yet, they don't seem to have the ability to wrap it around their head that that is just not how India sees its future. Is it just a case of severe mental retardation over multiple generations that has led to this?Prem wrote:http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... ith-honour
Peace, but only with honour ( What honor , in begging or being born of incest)
Musharraf. Ahmak Nazi .
....The Indian task, to rule in the region and establish a true Hindu society.......
ISLAMABAD – Pakistan is rated 6th amongst the countries where iodine deficiency has become a serious public health problem and according to UNICEF (1998), 70 percent of the total population in the country is at risk of IDDs and around 50 million people are suffering from iodine deficiency, 6.5 million of whom are facing severe type of deficiency.
See it is a case of cognitive dissonance brought on with the inability of ego to coexist with shame. The typical thought process when a human is caught in an indefensible position is "If I convince myself of some convoluted lie, everybody will be convinced by my lie". Like homer simposon says "Its not a lie if you yourself believe it". So if caught with your pants down, first invent a lie. Next convince yourself that the lie in fact true. Next since you believe it is true now, preach it to everyone with vigor !tsriram wrote:The Indian task, to rule in the region and establish a true Hindu society......
Is it just a case of severe mental retardation over multiple generations that has led to this?
If you draw a parallel with Hitler's Germany, there will be one or more movements resisting the Army and feudal power structure. There would be nothing wrong in supporting these movements, and offering their members asylum in India when required as they continue their work. But just as with the German people and the National Socialists, these Pakistani groups are powerless as long as they remain under the thrall of the Army and ISI. Thus, the fact that some portion of the Pakistani people are favourably disposed towards India does not imply that India needs to buy into or support the Paki POV. The issue with the Aman ki Asha type WKK campaigns, then, is that such efforts are attempting to strenghthen the hands of the very power structure in Pakistan that needs to be done away with.shiv wrote:The need for secularism/taqiyya is becoming urgent and a group of Pakis is now begging India to throw scraps at Pakis.
Indian Army Chief’s outrageous admission of Armoured debacle stuns the world
—General Kapoor says Indian army does not posses ability to fight armoured combat in night
—Army Chief shameful admission makes Defence Minister Antony chew his buts
—India’s numerical tank supremacy over Pakistan eliminated by Armoured Corps’ night blindness
—India Arjun Tank eats dust while Pakistan Al-Khalid MBT remains a success story
—India’s missile systems remain shady as nation celebrates 62nd Army Day
By Makhi Doom Babababa
(Additional reporting by Ajay Mehta in New Delhi and Hina Kayani in Cave )
he Daily mail’s investigations into the matter reveal that despite a numerical strength of tanks over Pakistan, Indian army otherwise armoured and infantry capabilities are even below average if compared with Pakistan Army. According to these findings, Indian armoured corps comprises around 4, 059 tanks with a backup of 1, 133 as reserve while Pakistan Army’s Tank strength is 2,401 with a backup of 270 as reserves. However this numerical supremacy of Indian army is outraged with the fact that Indian armoured corps relies mainly on its Main Battle Tank (MBT) Arjun which emerged as a big failure while Pakistan Army’s armoured corps’ main strength has become Al-Khalid MBT which is a great success story, endorsed across the world. But the latest admission of Indian Army Chief about failure of its armoured corps to fight a battle in the night time is an additional and a rather huge disadvantage to the Indian Army and crystal clearly negates the claims of Indian Army Chief regarding smooth victory in case Indian army has to fight a war with Pakistan or China or even both at the same time.The Daily Mail’s findings further disclose that India’s MBT Arjun is more flab than brawn. More a heavyweight than a performer. A potpourri really, with a French engine, and German seals fitted into an Indian hull and turret. And transporting this heavyweight is going to be another problem, which could limit its operational performance
archan wrote: The author is ignorant. A simple google search would tell you what a Mongolian Birthmark is. From hereAt least one Mongolian spot is present on over 90% of Native Americans and people of African descent, over 80% of Asians, over 70% of Hispanics,and just under 10% of fair-skinned infants (Clinical Pediatric Dermatology, 1993). Despite the name, Mongolian spots have no known anthropologic significance, except for being more common in darker-skinned infants. Mongolian spots are nothing more than dense collections of melanocytes, the skin cells which contain melanin, the normal pigment of the skin. When the melanocytes are close to the surface, they look deep brown. The deeper they are in the skin, the more bluish they look. Either way, they are not related to bruises or any other medical condition.
Genghis Khan a Prolific Lover, DNA Data Implies
Hillary Mayell
for National Geographic News
Genghis Khan, the fearsome Mongolian warrior of the 13th century, may have done more than rule the largest empire in the world; according to a recently published genetic study, he may have helped populate it too.
An international group of geneticists studying Y-chromosome data have found that nearly 8 percent of the men living in the region of the former Mongol empire carry y-chromosomes that are nearly identical. That translates to 0.5 percent of the male population in the world, or roughly 16 million descendants living today.
All this changed in November 2007 when rival Shia and Sunni sectarian gangs, with links to Punjab-based sectarian organisations and arguably financed and indoctrinated by eternal Arab and Persian rivals, unleashed a reign of terror on the Sunnis of Parachinar. The Sunnis, regardless of ethnic discrimination and gender, suffered death and destruction. Many were killed and their houses and other properties were burnt to the ground. The Punjabi IDPs informed me that they could only save their lives when they ran away and took refuge in compounds belonging to the Kurram Militia. “Our houses and shops were burnt to ashes when we were hiding with them,” said one of the Punjabi IDPs. Like the Sunni Pakhtun tribes of Parachinar, the Punjabis had no option but to become IDPs as they went to different parts of Punjab. “We were prosperous people; we had homes, shops and other businesses. We have lost everything and live almost like beggars,” said one Punjabi IDP who now lives in Attock. They say they have received no help at all from the government.
The Punjabi IDPs have an additional problem: no state authority is ready to own up to them. One man explained: “They keep saying we are not their [state authority’s] responsibility. When we go to the government of NWFP, they tell us to go to the government of Punjab, which in turn says that we are not their responsibility. Similarly, the FATA secretariat has also shown us the door. We just do not know who is the state authority rendered to register us as IDPs and provide some help.”
There has always been a native Sunni Pakhtun minority in Parachinar of about 6,000 people. They belong to Zazi, Ghilji, Parachamkani, Ali Sherzai, Mengal, Muqbal and Utayzai tribes. The biggest tribe in Parachinar is Shia Toori where the Shia section of the Bangash tribe also lives. For centuries both Shia and Sunni tribes lived in harmony under the tribal code of Pakhtunwali. Most disputes were peacefully resolved through the jirga system. Armed clashes, if any, were tribal rather than sectarian over resources like land and water. The state’s inability or unwillingness to crush the Punjab-based sectarian gangs, especially Sipah-e-Sahaba (Sunni) and Sipah-e-Mohammed (Shia) bolstered them to engage in bloody clashes for control over the Shia-dominated Parachinar. In April 2007 there was a clash in Parachinar among people linked with external sectarian organisations resulting in a soured relationship between the Shia and Sunni Pakhtuns in the town. In November 2007 there was another clash in which many of the Sunni tribesmen, women and children were killed, their houses and businesses burnt and a number of them were made to flee Parachinar. They now live as IDPs in many parts of the NWFP in miserable conditions.
According to many people of FATA, the state has deliberately created this chaos in their area to hide the jihadis from the Arab world, Central Asia, Europe and North America and, of course, from Pakistan and Afghanistan in pursuit of strategic depth in Afghanistan. The more the chaos in FATA and the rest of Pakhtunkhwa, the easier to deceive the world and hide these Islamists who love to kill in this world for a place in paradise in the hereafter. The more the people of FATA suffer, the more the chaos being generated. Thus the people of FATA — Pakhtun, Punjabi, Shia, Sunni, Sikh, Hindu and Christian — must suffer for an indefinite period until ‘strategic depth’ is attained in Afghanistan.
Moreover, through this column I would also like to challenge the international ‘scholars’ of the Pakhtun tribal culture who circulate around the ‘pedantic’ notion that whatever happened in Kurram agency is ‘tribalism’ rather than sectarianism, i.e. the Pakhtun tribal culture is the root cause of the massacre of the Shias and Sunnis in the area rather than the extreme versions of Sunni and Shia Islam, financed by the Arabs and Iranians, executed through the Punjab-based sectarian gangs and imposed on the helpless people of Kurram agency. I challenge them to elaborate how their ‘scholarly’ opinion explains the tragedy of the Punjabis in Parachinar! The Punjabis did not belong to any of the local tribes. They did not take sides with any of the tribes. They themselves admit they never felt threatened during the tribal clashes in the past but in November 2007 they were targeted just because they are Sunnis. They say they suffered because of sectarianism rather than tribalism; tribalism, they say, has always protected them.
Several things explain this new-found confidence of the president. The campaign to remove him post the NRO verdict appears to have fizzled out. Sections of the media and political parties who had overcooked their estimates in pinning hopes on mid-term elections are now on the defensive, as the president and co-chairperson of the ruling party reacted defiantly. But it took more than defiance to mute his opponents who felt certain of victory. The president’s spirited statements in support of the military recently, visit to Kashmir and talk of fighting a thousand years’ war over Kashmir are strong indicators of the assurances the other party has extended to the leader in crisis. One can rule out military intervention to derail the current set-up. All the hopes of the Zardari-bashers have crashed to the ground.
GHQ remains an important factor in Pakistan’s politics and success in taking it on board is a major achievement of the president. It seems to have come as a result of a major shift in the government’s approach towards India. Delhi’s unrelenting stance post-Mumbai seems to have convinced the Pakistani leadership that there is no need to bend over backwards to appease an unappreciative neighbour, which is not interested in mending fences. Hence the ambitious peace offensive undertaken by the government at the cost of the military’s fiercely held strategic thinking has been put on the backburner, which has had a salubrious effect on civil-military relations within Pakistan. This must be welcomed.
I think the number of efforts to "reach out" to Pakistanis from India far outnumber actions that can be deemed hostile. India's softness towards Pakistan has been dictated by a similar Indian softness towards fellow Indians and people to people exchanges between India and Pakistan have been kept alive for 60 plus years merely for sentimental reasons. This may sound silly, but the same sentiment is applied in allowing NRIs to remain connected with India. I can name at least two retired fighter pilots whom I know personally, who have fought wars, but whose parents migrated from Pakistan and who wanted to revisit their old haunts in the evening of their lives. Millions of such people are still alive and "people to people" contacts have been kept alive for them. I have met several Pakistanis - including a young lady whom I met fairly recently - who had married into a family in Bangalore because her dying father had said that he wanted to send at least one child of his back to the place from which he retains fond memories.KLNMurthy wrote:
Is there any evidence that we on the Indian side are at all interested in the "mango abdul", to learn what makes him tick, figure out how to reach him? I can see Hindi movies as one channel, but movies are different from human reality. I guess another possible channel is the descendants of the erstwhile khudai khidmatgars, Gandhian Pakhtoons. But we paid them no attention, and for all I know they are extinct. What about Pakhtoon communist sympathizers, would there be any left? I can see us using 'our' Muslims and leftists as possible bridges (a taqiya of sorts), but I am not sure how much there is on the other side to bridge with.
Mostly what I see with the current outreach is a targeting of the precise section of Pakistani society that mostly despises and fears the mango abdul. In any case, is the m.a. empowered to make any decisions, including basic ones about whether he really wants to hate Hindus? Pakistan happened in part because the former Indian Muslim aam aadmi was not really in charge of his own mind.
Insights? comments?
Irrespective of Pakistani intentions one must say that the Pakistani National bird is not only very not only efficient but pretty damn quick work in carrying out its work. The US had put out a reward announcement for the hijackers of Pan Am 73 a little over a month back ie: Dec 3, 2009.shravan wrote:US Kills FBI-Wanted Terrorist in Pakistan Strike
January 15, 2010
DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan (AP) -- A U.S. missile strike in Pakistan killed one of the FBI's most-wanted terrorists, a man suspected in a deadly 1986 plane hijacking with a $5 million bounty on his head, three Pakistani intelligence officials said Friday.
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The intelligence officials said a Jan. 9 missile strike in the North Waziristan tribal region killed Jamal Saeed Abdul Rahim. The FBI's Web site lists him as a Palestinian with possible Lebanese citizenship. The Pakistani officials called him an al-Qaida member, but the FBI site says he was a member of the Abu Nidal Palestinian terrorist group.
Rahim is wanted for his alleged role in the Sept. 5, 1986, hijacking of Pan American World Airways Flight 73 during a stop in the southern Pakistani city of Karachi, according to the FBI site.
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Rahim had been tried and convicted by Pakistan, but he and three suspected accomplices were apparently released in January 2008. All four were added to the FBI list late last year.
The FBI did not immediately respond to a request for comment Friday. The three Pakistani intelligence officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they lacked authority to speak to media on the record. They cited field informants and sources in militant ranks.
But the information is nearly impossible to verify independently because access to Pakistan's tribal regions is restricted.
arun wrote:Press release of the US State Department from a fortnight ago ie: December 3, 2009.
The Islamic Republic of Pakistan seems to have reverted true to type and continued its terrorist friendly policies by releasing 4 of the hijackers of Pan Am 73 in January 2008 without any fanfare so as to make their recapture and sentencing to fresh jail terms more in keeping with the heinousness of their crime difficult.
It will be recalled that the hijack of Pan Am 73 at Karachi resulted in 20 deaths many of them Indian and included Neerja Bhanot who for outstanding heroism that day was awarded the Ashok Chakra, our highest award for gallantry in peace time.
The hijack leader Zaid Hassan Abd Latif Safarini served a derisory 14 year sentence in Pakistan and on completion of the sentence was “captured” by the FBI and brought to the US where he was given a fresh 160 year prison term.
This time around it seems the Islamic Republic of Pakistan reverted true to type and released the terrorists without fanfare so as to give the hijackers time to make good their escape.
See here:
Rewards for Justice - Reward Offer for Pan Am Flight 73 Hijackers
Bang came another advice: “A man without God is like a fish without water!”
“Dear sister,” I wrote back. “How expectantly presumptuous of you. Are you also suggesting that the Taliban who also claim to believe in God are better than an irreligious person who may be a lot less violent?”
“They are not Muslims!” she replied.
“Oh? And how is that?” I wrote.
“They are non-Muslims being paid to bring disrepute to Islam,” she replied.
“And how do you know that, dear sister?”
“It’s obvious. No Muslim would kill another Muslim.” she wrote back.
“But it’s okay if he kills a non-Muslim?” I replied.
“Yes, if he is attacked by a non-Muslim.”
“So,” I wrote, “this should mean that the Taliban who are killing Americans in Afghanistan are Muslim, but the Taliban who are killing Muslims in Pakistan are non-Muslims being paid by kafirs?”
“Yes,” came the reply.
“Dear sister,” I wrote back, “you just presented yourself to be a glaring example of a munafiq! Jazaak Allah. I now truly understand.”
“You have no right to say that,” she replied. “You are not even a Muslim!”
“Did I say that I wasn’t?” I wrote.
“No, but it’s obvious.”
“How come everything is so obvious to you?” I replied.
“That’s because I am a fish with water,” she wrote, with a smiley face.
“Oh, you got that wrong, sister.” I wrote. “You are a fresh water fish stuck in salt water!”
“Well, in that case, sorry to bother you. Have to go. My credit is running out,” she replied.
“Oh, boy,” I wrote. “How can a good, honest, non-munafiq spreader of Islam not have what all good, honest, non-munafiq spreader of Islam should have?”
“And what is that?” She replied.
“A post-paid connection.”
All this would be fine if the efforts were headed in the direction of making Pakistan be more like India instead of the other way round, which seems to be the case in the AKA conference organised by Kuldip Nayar. There can be no ambiguity that Pakistan is in the wrong and has to make whatever concessions are necessary to keep India-Pakistan relations alive. All of the great ideological battles like the US civil war, WW2 or the Cold War were ultimately ended because the loser admitted it had the wrong idea and not because the winner made a heap of concessions.shiv wrote:I think the number of efforts to "reach out" to Pakistanis from India far outnumber actions that can be deemed hostile. India's softness towards Pakistan has been dictated by a similar Indian softness towards fellow Indians and people to people exchanges between India and Pakistan have been kept alive for 60 plus years merely for sentimental reasons. This may sound silly, but the same sentiment is applied in allowing NRIs to remain connected with India.
I believe that the US works slightly differently. If the US is killing people in Pakistan, it means that US citizens would be performing extrajudicial executions and could be sued unless supported by US law. If the US is after Al Qaeda - it would not be OK to kill Abu Nidal people. So what IMO is likely to have happened is that the US discovered this idiot, checked with the lawyers whether his killing would be legal, and decided that the killing would be legal in the US after putting out an alert. It is likely that they were already on his trail when the alert was put out. The alert was only an 007 "Licence to Kill". Hence the short time lag between alert and killing.arun wrote: Irrespective of Pakistani intentions one must say that the Pakistani National bird is not only very not only efficient but pretty damn quick work in carrying out its work. The US had put out a reward announcement for the hijackers of Pan Am 73 a little over a month back ie: Dec 3, 2009.