Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 17 Jan 2010 22:31

A situation where Taliban takeover and refugees pour into India cannot happen. In case of Taliban takeover Pakistan, US/ India will have to move in and neutralize Paki nuclear assets, creating large areas under their control. Baluchistan and Sindh will break up. The most likely refugee crises will be in Sindh and Baluchistan as Pakjabi's move in creating a problem in their countries. No one's going to allow Taliban to take over Pakistan. Pakistan is going to get talibanized. There is a difference. Paki RAPE can live in a country where stoning, cutting hands for theft is law. Thats what they asked for. Don't Saudi rape enjoy living in Barbaria?

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 17 Jan 2010 22:40

The cynical approach would be to let the women and children in while sequestering the men for "re-education". From what I see happening socially, there would be good amount of interest (from Punjabis) in marrying the women.

But seriously, if Brzezinski's Eurasia policy is to be believed, they will do anything including cutting deals with the Taliban to keep Pakistan around. Without that, the US is out of the region, and how can they have that?

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 17 Jan 2010 22:45

vera_k wrote: But seriously, if Brzezinski's Eurasia policy is to be believed, they will do anything including cutting deals with the Taliban to keep Pakistan around. Without that, the US is out of the region, and how can they have that?

They will mold the region to suit their best interests. Right now its not doing its job. Does it? Phate hue condom kaa kya faidha?( What purpose does a torn condom have!)

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 17 Jan 2010 23:27

Lets see....
According to www.bizimformation.org , there are more than 2000 websites in India that get more hits per-day than Bharat Rakshak. In another words, if that is true (admins...is that true?) the decibel levels of the BRF don't echo much or far in India. The opinions expressed here apparently don't matter much in the scheme of things to Indians in general. That is sad because from what I see, much of the opinions here are intelligent and sound opinions. I guess, being sound and intelligent means little in general. That being the case, the opinion here would also mean little to those who are in positions of power regardless if the likes of B. Raman and assorted other ex-big honchos visit and or post here.

That being said,...the article by MJ Akbar raises interesting point. I am most certain that the Indian elites would open the border and let in without second thought not only one million but even more. We are talking about the TFTA crowd here and i believe the Indian elites always thought of itself as the Desi version of TFTA anyways. This will happen unless Indians mobilize in huge numbers and let it be known that such will NOT come to past.

Honestly, Indians will be the biggest losers if they let this happen. What it will prove is that they can be spit upon, slapped, kicked and raped but they will still allow the perpetrator into their homes.

Bangladesh is a lesson every Indian should keep to heart. The Bengali Muslims returned the favor of the Hindu nation that liberated them from tyranny by cleansing the Hindu population off wide swath of their land.

Ali Sina has a photo on his website, don't know who took it....it shows a bunch of Bengali Muslims infront of a mosque-egged on by a Mullah about to murder a Hindu man (who was caught while returning home from work).

No goodwill will come from this. Indians have a choice. They can become extremely cynical yet save their nation or try to look good to the Norweigians and Swedes and allow the million and more ppl into India and repeat similar process and end up being minority Hindus in about two hundred years living as dhimis under Shariah in a land swarming with members of the religion of peace.

If it can happen to Ghandarrah and Peshawar...then it could happen to Sindh. By golly....it already did happen to Sindh many centuries ago. If it could happen to Lahore and Taxila...it could happen to Amritsar and Delhi. Remember....it happened to Alexandria, Persepolis, Constantinapolis, Babylon, Nicea.....recently it happened to Pristina.
Avram

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Jan 2010 23:49

harbans wrote:A situation where Taliban takeover and refugees pour into India cannot happen. In case of Taliban takeover Pakistan, US/ India will have to move in and neutralize Paki nuclear assets, creating large areas under their control. Baluchistan and Sindh will break up. The most likely refugee crises will be in Sindh and Baluchistan as Pakjabi's move in creating a problem in their countries. No one's going to allow Taliban to take over Pakistan. Pakistan is going to get talibanized. There is a difference. Paki RAPE can live in a country where stoning, cutting hands for theft is law. Thats what they asked for. Don't Saudi rape enjoy living in Barbaria?

I am thoroughly convinced of Paki's nuke-nanga status based on N3-ji's artile in BRM.

Any nuke-farting by TSPA is a PRC nuke attack on Bharat and should be dealt as such.

We are talking about TSPA/Taliban induced refugee scenario. Not a consequence of their actions.

vasu_ray · Post by **vasu_ray** » 17 Jan 2010 23:55

one of these days Zardari and the TSPA can have negotiations with US on relocating all those displaced and refugees due to the US policy in Afghanistan to US and other European countries

this Aman Ki Asha/refugee asylum visa should be offered by the west not the East, Paki punjabis would be very happy with Canadian and British visas than join the remnant of the short lived khalistan, if they do the dream to revive Khalistan would be there

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 18 Jan 2010 00:03

vasu_ray wrote:one of these days Zardari and the TSPA can have negotiations with US on relocating all those displaced and refugees due to the US policy in Afghanistan to US and other European countries

this Aman Ki Asha/refugee asylum visa should be offered by the west not the East, Paki punjabis would be very happy with Canadian and British visas than join the remnant of the short lived khalistan, if they do the dream to revive Khalistan would be there

I recommend northern-states of USA or Canada for the paki-refugees.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 18 Jan 2010 00:03

This is a much more legitimate question than many here may realize.

In under 5 years the per Capita GDP of India, esp. the prosperous west will be 5-6 times the per capita GDP of Pakistan. Presently it is about 2.5 - 3 times.

Some thing strange happens to the migration patterns of people once the imbalance reaches 5 times. The opportunity pull becomes too strong.

Take a look at this map of the present migration pattern around the world.

Also look at the NY times map.

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/world/200706 ... APHIC.html

Take special note of the Mexico to US, East Europe to West Europe, Africa to South Africa and Indonesia to Malaysia dynamics.

All of these are in the 5-10 times GDP imbalance w/ cultural familiarity.

Once the "mental map" is created by the vanguard it will be almost impossible to stop.

Existing population density is disregarded almost completely.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 18 Jan 2010 00:10

Has anybody taken note of the fact that number of IED mubaraks in Pakistan have mysteriously gone down ever since this Aman Ki Ayesha charade ?
I noticed hoardings of this AkA tamasha in many places in Dilli. Giving it space on newspaper, internet and TV must be quite expensive by itself and now these ads springing up all over the capital means serious amount of money being pumped in.
What could be the source of all this money?
Umreeka?
Da wood?
Paki military, ISI?
Paki civilian goberment ?
Indian goberment ?
China or rest of 3 and a half friends ?
If its corporate money, which organisations ?
WKKs ?

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 18 Jan 2010 00:14

National bird has returned to form.
Suspected U.S. Missile Strike Kills 20 in Pakistan

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 18 Jan 2010 00:16

^^^

I seriously doubt WKKs have enough money to support all these expenses. Someone is spending big money. To achieve what?

A Hadley in collaboration with WKKs caused more damage than 1000 terrorists could do in JK and other parts.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 18 Jan 2010 00:24

Theo_Fidel wrote:This is a much more legitimate question than many here may realize.

In under 5 years the per Capita GDP of India, esp. the prosperous west will be 5-6 times the per capita GDP of Pakistan. Presently it is about 2.5 - 3 times.

Some thing strange happens to the migration patterns of people once the imbalance reaches 5 times. The opportunity pull becomes too strong.

Slow migration for economic gains is not a concern, because it will allow enough time to have the immigrants adopt Indian values. Attention would have to be paid to provide free and compulsory schooling for children to reinforce this, but that is doable. Per capita GDP in Western India states like Gujarat and Maharashtra have a 6-9x edge over states like UP, Bihar, Orissa and those states are dealing with the inflow today without too much trouble.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 18 Jan 2010 00:28

Headley teaming up with son of a known Paki cum WKK, Mahesh Bhatt, whose nephew tries to incite communal tensions over a flat and is also famous for hiring Paki artists.
I've stopped watching any movie or listening to any song made by this bunch.
WKKs by themselves are apparently not enough to finance all of this, but they sure can provide the legitimate public mask for this gimmick. Ordinary public is too stupid to put all this together

Pakis migrating to India seems slightly difficult with all the security we have on our western border. It isn't same scenario we have with Bangladesh. As somebody said earlier, Paki army will never allow such thing in first place.

archan · Post by **archan** » 18 Jan 2010 00:36

vera_k wrote: Slow migration for economic gains is not a concern, because it will allow enough time to have the immigrants adopt Indian values.

Ask the British about their paki immigrants..

In any case, this debate is premature (IMO, at least for my mypoic vision).

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 18 Jan 2010 00:39

Jo Lawhore mein *****, wo har jagah ******

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 18 Jan 2010 00:56

Well this is exactly the scenario I posited several weeks ago when I explained that it is not the jihadis but refugees from Pakistan that India should be worried about. India will certainly degenerate into a sort of contortion of Akhand Bharat.

East Germans brought with them a poverty and a wealth of racism, idleness, sense of entitlement, laziness. What will Pakistanis bring? Ram rajya?

The sad part is that India will have no choice in the matter. Because home is where if you go, they have to let you in.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Jan 2010 00:59

I belive we should accept those refugees. The sight of crying women and children can be overwhelming . Set up screening process and weed ourt any male between the age of 14-65 who should be sent to fight Talipaans. Following our own values,We cant have women and children die at the hands of Taliban Mujahideens. They must be protected by us and let 3.5 Auliyas pay for them.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 18 Jan 2010 01:18

jamwal wrote:Has anybody taken note of the fact that number of IED mubaraks in Pakistan have mysteriously gone down ever since this Aman Ki Ayesha charade ?

I myself was wondering why so many maiden overs in TSP of late, but whats the connection between that and morons ki tamasha?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Jan 2010 01:45

RamaY wrote:^^^

I seriously doubt WKKs have enough money to support all these expenses. Someone is spending big money. To achieve what?

Corporate India which has recently built its relationship with the west business groups(Nuke deal) is funding most of these. They are the WKK and doing the larger foreign policy work. THey also funded the VOC in Parliament in Jul 2008 and also the General elections in 2009.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 18 Jan 2010 01:48

^^^ What do they gain from this

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Jan 2010 01:51

Jarita wrote:^^^ What do they gain from this

You can think for yourself and figure it out yourself. Self interest. Corporate interest has taken over political parties.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 18 Jan 2010 01:55

If there is proof of this then this information has to be brought out in the public domain.
Rahut Mehta already hinted at suchh relationships. If that is the case then it is imperative that whoever knows abt this brings out names and lines connecting them and the impact sought

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Jan 2010 02:09

Jarita wrote:If there is proof of this then this information has to be brought out in the public domain.
Rahut Mehta already hinted at suchh relationships. If that is the case then it is imperative that whoever knows abt this brings out names and lines connecting them and the impact sought

Read the news for the last 4 years and the corporate relationship with western companies. It is very obvious. You can see all of them in the news item and conferences between CII and western countries in the last 7 years.
Lot of corporate also publish how much they have donated to the political parties. These are all open source. You can read them. Nothing wrong with them. It is all legal. Public information is also available with Election commission and also various commissions and public records.

Dont let other people believe that nothing is happening and all of them are stories.

archan · Post by **archan** » 18 Jan 2010 02:10

Don't worry too much about it Jarita. Such stories have been around since time immemorial. The people who tell such stories just "know" it. Of course no proof can be provided. You are expected to just accept the knowledge and be grateful.
Obviously Indian companies should not have made any relationships with western ones.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 18 Jan 2010 02:22

Can anyone here provide the link of a paper on BR Monitor by a BRfite proving that paki's nuke assets are fake or something in relation to that. I saw that on some thread and I am not able to get it back

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 18 Jan 2010 02:25

^^^ Problem is that this might be conceivable given the recent examples of South America and Africa where big corporations have acted as kingmakers and often changed the maps of these countries with a view to exploiting their resources. They have funded armies and militias and sometimes batted with sides that seem most incongruous - supporting the Peruvian reds.
There are a number of books and articles on this subject.
However, many of these countries are banana republics that were never allowed to mature into established democracies with the right institutions. India is a mature democracy with 1.1 bn folks.

If at all the corporations are involved with this "Aman Ka Tamasha", there has to be a trail (albeit through multiple proxies). I can understand the mainstream media not reporting it but someone has to know. Additionally, what could the motivation be? There has to be a motivation either resources and/or markets.
Additionally, what is to be gained by this - avoidance of war???? That could be the goal if Indian corporates have sufficient interests within Pakistan or is looking for oil and gas interests in Pakistan.
However, the above can be achieved if Pakistan collapses as well.

I'll probably have to look into Public Data. Could you give us some links?

archan · Post by **archan** » 18 Jan 2010 02:33

Of course it is conceivable. But issues that are based on someone's "feeling" cannot be made into a basis for much detailed discussion - even on a so called hot air forum.
A lot of expressed takleef often has political motives.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Jan 2010 02:38

Jarita wrote:
However, the above can be achieved if Pakistan collapses as well.

I'll probably have to look into Public Data. Could you give us some links?

Some analytical work gives good information. Lobby groups for oil/Gas have special interest in foreign policy. Check out which industrial group is interested in building relationship with which oil multinational companies and which country. Most of it is very obvious.

anjan · Post by **anjan** » 18 Jan 2010 02:57

I'd imagine industry has the most to lose with terrorism. Wasn't it a CII panel that recommended strong reprisals to terrorism in the wake of the mumbai attacks(and causing lots of takleef all around)? I imagine that like most Indians they couldn't care less if the army/police/CPMF continue with a slow bleed in Kashmir and the NE but terrorism in cities in the rest of India would be really bad for business.

Like in any large group I'd suppose there will be some people acting to further extremely narrow interests but it's hard to swallow labeling such a large group as either flat out anti-nationals or fellow-travelers.

Note: I can't find a link to that CII report but I distinctly recall something of that sort.

archan · Post by **archan** » 18 Jan 2010 03:05

I am open to suggestions of moving this OT discussion to another thread. Suggestions?

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 18 Jan 2010 03:19

anjan wrote:I'd imagine industry has the most to lose with terrorism. Wasn't it a CII panel that recommended strong reprisals to terrorism in the wake of the mumbai attacks(and causing lots of takleef all around)? I imagine that like most Indians they couldn't care less if the army/police/CPMF continue with a slow bleed in Kashmir and the NE but terrorism in cities in the rest of India would be really bad for business.

Like in any large group I'd suppose there will be some people acting to further extremely narrow interests but it's hard to swallow labeling such a large group as either flat out anti-nationals or fellow-travelers.

Note: I can't find a link to that CII report but I distinctly recall something of that sort.

Here is a copy of the report you are referring to

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B_ ... MGVj&hl=en

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 18 Jan 2010 03:20

archan wrote:I am open to suggestions of moving this OT discussion to another thread. Suggestions?

Archan Saab,

Sure, Call the new thread like Industry and Securing India-The connection

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 18 Jan 2010 04:45

Targeting the Taliban - Fighting the Afghanistan War, in Pakistan - PBS NOW

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Jan 2010 06:21

US and the Yemeni mess
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=219281

Zeena Sattti

The US-led occupation of Afghanistan brought a nuclear-armed Pakistan to its knees as a state. If the US follows the same policies in Yemen that it followed in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia will crack at its foundations. Just as the Pakistani nukes have no danger from Al Qaeda but plenty from Pentagon, the largest oil reserves in the world will be cited as dangerously vulnerable to Al Qaeda take-over, as the US positions to provide them security in return for purchasing oil at a discount that can be used in tough economic times. For this, all the US has to do is “sit” on the Yemeni coastline to prevent Al Qaeda incursions, as Yemen has scant coastal defence of its own.

The American presence will, of course, exacerbate the Yemeni mess and Saudi Arabia will start getting infiltrated with what the US generals will insist is Al Qaeda (they may be just a bunch of very angry armed Muslims for good reason). In a repeat performance of Afghanistan, Barack Obama will try to “conceptualise” a politico-economic solution to the Yemen problem. The ruling Arab political “thought”, in turn, will fail to offer a solution to the crisis and the Arab militant nationalists will be hell-bent on US departure. The American generals, goaded by the intelligence and corporate elite, will start pressuring the oval office for a surge, raising a chorus of scary security and economic concerns. Washington’s easiest option will be Saudi Arabian military, which will be given fancy counter-insurgency equipment “to do more.” Riyadh suffers from the same mindset as Islamabad. Its capacity to distance itself from the US for the sake of internal stability is zero

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 18 Jan 2010 06:21

Did Germans run away from Germany when Nazis took over? It was the jews that had to run. Did Cambodians run away when Pol Pot was chief? No. Again a disaffected minorities had to run. Pakbarian animals wont run away when Taliban takes over because that is what they want or have been brainwashed into wanting. A few RAPEs will run away to western countries if they have visas or money but that's about it. It is the minority community of TSP that will run away or attempt to do so - the Hindus, Christians, Sikhs. India should welcome them....

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Jan 2010 06:29

Bet a penny, this born of Incest ,Pakis retard spend 23 and half hours a day here.

The insidious Indian propaganda
By Patient, S. Mental Behman

The internet has become a vehicle to fan preposterous propaganda by the agencies in India, in order to promote ‘Hindutva’ sensibility to raise scare and trepidation among the Hindus that Pakistan in collusion with Bangladesh and Indian Muslim are now planning for a second partition of the subcontinent to carve our a much bigger chunk of territory out of India, which they have named as ‘Mughalstan’ that will comprise Pakistan, Bangladesh, including all of North and Eastern India. The so-called Mughal Muslim state will merge Pakistan and Bangladesh through a large corridor of land running across the Indo-Gangetic plain - the heartland of India. Jinnah’s Pakistan was envisaged to have the whole of Bengal and the Punjab - besides a corridor which could provide land links between the ‘west’ and the former ‘East Pakistan’. The moth-eaten Pakistan was accepted only ‘temporarily’ as Jinnah thought it expedient to accept what was made available, under the exigencies of the circumstances, but the idea of ‘Greater Pakistan’ was shelved for an appropriate time, as a necessary outcome of the partition, which the Hindu India had to reconcile with.

The whole propaganda is motivated by a typical Kautalian sensibility to use deception, duplicity and deceit to fan hatred against the Muslims. It is also aimed at frustrating all the attempts to bring peace and cooperation between Pakistan and India through much dramatically publicised Aman Ki Aasha. One should interpret the outlandish proclamation by the Indian Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor that India was capable of defeating both Pakistan and China within 96 hours. Stereotyping Muslims justifies all actions to destabilise Pakistan and even to launch a war if necessary.The hate against Muslims is a combined strategy of the US, Israel and India. Thu

Quadoo-i-Hazam Munh Me Nali Jinnah was indeed a man of great foresight. He saw through the game, the Hindus were playing that they were the true inheritors of the British Empire and everyone else was to be left high and dry.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... opaganda/1

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 18 Jan 2010 06:32

If a million pakis march towards India, the only question India should be asking is: What caliber?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Jan 2010 06:35

Vivek_A wrote:If a million pakis march towards India, the only question India should be asking is: What caliber?

Paki will demand it must be 7(lucky).72

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 18 Jan 2010 06:37

Is this the Pakistani defence forum everyone refs to

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pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 18 Jan 2010 06:39

^
Haram link please edit. No there are worse.