Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 19 Jan 2010 23:00

The land that gave Chanakya should also practise the art of conversion; IPL provides India the access to highly-visible Pakistanis, and their convertion to an Indian point of view, can only further Indian agenda.

Denying them access denies India the access to create a "Pakistani NGO". India needs to convert for India to continue to become an effective global player. Bollywood and Swamijis take you some distance, and more coverage is needed. Managing through people, not just by-Indians.

India missed the true opportunity to take out terrorist training camps in PoK (hard power), India is missing out a potential soft-power opportunity by denying potential recruits access to IPL.

R. Krithivas

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 19 Jan 2010 23:02

shiv wrote:Do I see a hint of fear on BRF of more terrorism because Paki players were not selected?

I am afraid that the way the Pakis are humiliated now will make India more vulnerable to Paki sponsored terrorist attacks before or during IPL. I do believe that the anti-India terror valve is in the hands of Paki establishment. That the last one year was relatively peaceful may not have much to do with Chidambaram & Co's work, but more to do with Pakistan's own reasons (hope they are afraid that India would retaliate). Until we have sufficient confidence in our internal security apparatus, we should desist from humiliating them this badly. As much as I hate seeing Indian spectators applauding Paki cricketers, I think we should have prevented them from participating in IPL in a more straight-forward way.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 19 Jan 2010 23:06

krithivas wrote:The land that gave Chanakya should also practise the art of conversion; IPL provides India the access to highly-visible Pakistanis, and their convertion to an Indian point of view, can only further Indian agenda.

These Tablighi Jamaat inspired cricketers can't be converted, better not feed these rabies infected Pakis.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 19 Jan 2010 23:09

krithivas wrote: IPL provides India the access to highly-visible Pakistanis, and their convertion to an Indian point of view, can only further Indian agenda.

The first round of IPL was held in 2008 March or so with paki participation. What we got in Nov 2008 was Bombay, how come visible pakis had no say in telling their like-minded folk in not killing the goose that lays the golden egg? India can only convert those who are pliable to be converted, those who resist shall have to find sustenance from elsewhere, which is what they are trying to do anyway.

Denying them access denies India the access to create a "Pakistani NGO". India needs to convert for India to continue to become an effective global player. Bollywood and Swamijis take you some distance, and more coverage is needed. Managing through people, not just by-Indians.

This is a classical game-theoretic setting with a rational player assumption. Unfortunately, if the player is distributed and irrational in parts, all these neo-logics fall apart. More stick and less carrot please. What have we got for all the carrots that we gave all these years, the biggest Karats are still in our midst, may be we can barter?

I will go one step further and plead with Indians to stop treating Ind-pak cricket contests as some nonsense and not pay too much attention to it. We gain nothing by glorying victories against morons, go for better fish. Ban all sporting contact including crikkit, hickey, squash, and whatever else can be played with pakis.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 19 Jan 2010 23:11

a_bharat wrote:
shiv wrote:Do I see a hint of fear on BRF of more terrorism because Paki players were not selected?
I am afraid that the way the Pakis are humiliated now will make India more vulnerable to Paki sponsored terrorist attacks before or during IPL.

Doesn't matter if they are humiliated, Pakis will always think of ways to inflict harm on India. Never try to appease a bully

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 19 Jan 2010 23:14

shravan wrote:Arrests Ahead Of UK Flight From Pakistan

update

The Pakistanis had checked in for a flight to Dubai.

Shortly before that five men with British passports had checked in for a flight to Manchester airport.

CCTV cameras in the departure lounge picked up the two groups swapping boarding passes.

The British nationals then took the flight to Dubai.

Meanwhile the remaining men, all Pakistani, were arrested.

Immigration officials said they were carrying fake UK visas and boarding passes with different names.

They have been named as Raja Zia Ul Haq, Raja Fizal Ul Haq, Muhammed Usman, Imran Asgher and Abid Hussain.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 19 Jan 2010 23:15

a_bharat wrote:
shiv wrote:Do I see a hint of fear on BRF of more terrorism because Paki players were not selected?
I am afraid that the way the Pakis are humiliated now will make India more vulnerable to Paki sponsored terrorist attacks before or during IPL. I do believe that the anti-India terror valve is in the hands of Paki establishment.

Let them take the bait and attack us. Its exactly what we want now. One attack and they queue to their 72s.

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 19 Jan 2010 23:16

All the bs peddling on this thread by some BRFites that since bakis are humiliated, it will be counter productive, let me remind you , there can never be anything as humiliating as having 90,000 pakis as POWs.

Did bakis react to that in terror? There can be nothing as appeasing as Sri Vajpayee going to Lahore .Pakis did respond to that via Kargil. pakis deserve to be kicked in their balls and musharrafs. No matter what whether India insults pakis or rewards them , they will continue to send terrorists with guns and detonators. This islamic terrorism that is killing innocents across the world was founded by CIA and US administration to the pakis. For every innocent life lost on this plant in the hands of jehad, amrika is directly responsible for it. Unless amrika is down, islamic terror will continue.

Down with amrika.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Jan 2010 23:18

Stan is right. On the contrary these TJ crickets can tell their fundoos to back off as its affecting their earnings.
Allowing them in the IPL is like feeding a snake milk. They will divert a portion of the money to the TJs. Next step is all those artistes bollykhet.

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 19 Jan 2010 23:18

milindc wrote:
a_bharat wrote: I am afraid that the way the Pakis are humiliated now will make India more vulnerable to Paki sponsored terrorist attacks before or during IPL.
Doesn't matter if they are humiliated, Pakis will always think of ways to inflict harm on India. Never try to appease a bully

No question of appeasement -- just be wise; I said they should have been kept out of IPL without badly humiliating them. The humiliation should be in smaller doses until we are confident of our internal security apparatus.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Jan 2010 23:22

Where is the fine line between being wise and appeasement? Dealing with terrorist supporters is not wise but the later. Finally someone has taken an action in best interests and its being second guessed.

GOI has its compulsions to appease but private investors dont.

Besides the humiliation is due to their exaggerated self worth. The higher the pride the lower it falls.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 19 Jan 2010 23:23

More Rona Dhona.. now from the Dawood camp....

ISLAMABAD: Former Pakistan cricket great Javed Miandad has called on the game's governing body to take control of Twenty20 tournaments after none of the country's players attracted any bids from Indian Premier League teams during its auction for players on Tuesday.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spor ... 477945.cms

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 19 Jan 2010 23:26

PCB to take up IPL snub with BCCI

PTI, 19 January 2010, 10:59pm IST
KARACHI: The Pakistan Cricket Board on Tuesday accused IPL commissioner Lalit Modi of betraying the PCB after none of the 11 Pakistani players got a buyer in the third IPL auction in Mumbai and said he will take up the matter with BCCI.

PCB chairman Ejaz Butt told reporters at the Gaddafi stadium that he was very upset with what had transpired at the players’ auction.
"I had several discussions with Lalit Modi on the participation of our players in the IPL this year and he had assured me they would get a chance to play in the tournament," Butt said.

"Now we don't understand what happened because we did everything from our side including getting government clearance to allow our players to be eligible to play in the IPL," he said.

The PCB chief said after the auction he constantly tried to get in touch with Modi but his efforts went in vain.

"He is not answering my calls. But we will take up the matter with the Indian board," Butt said.

Sources within the PCB said initially Butt had taken the issue very lightly but became serious about the matter when the players and some government officials contacted him to convey their disappointment at the snub.

I really dont understand Pakis!!! its so blindingly obvious that its all NON-STATE-ACTORS fully responsible for not hiring employees they are not sure will be able to do the job they are suppose to do!! I fully expect PM of Pakiland to call up Indian PM tomorrow and then come out in a press conference how Indian PM is not answering his call either! to be followed by a statement from MEA stating All Indians as a citizen of true democracy have a constitutionally guaranteed right to hire/not-hire who ever they want and GoI cant and wont interfere with that! I would be truly disappointed if no paki appeals to great satan to pressure GoI and get them to make a statement that in reality all the IPL franchise owners are all RAW agents!

I am also sure stunned WKK types will be out in full force tomorrow together with the left front about how it is against Indian ethos and all!!

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 19 Jan 2010 23:26

a_bharat wrote: I am afraid that the way the Pakis are humiliated now will make India more vulnerable to Paki sponsored terrorist attacks before or during IPL. I do believe that the anti-India terror valve is in the hands of Paki establishment. That the last one year was relatively peaceful may not have much to do with Chidambaram & Co's work, but more to do with Pakistan's own reasons (hope they are afraid that India would retaliate). Until we have sufficient confidence in our internal security apparatus, we should desist from humiliating them this badly. As much as I hate seeing Indian spectators applauding Paki cricketers, I think we should have prevented them from participating in IPL in a more straight-forward way.

Clearly Bakis terror tactics have gotten to you. You are afraid. Very afraid.

The MHA/MEA would intervene if they think security was not enough and IPL would shift venue like they did last time.
Anyhow baki jernails would love to play on this pusillanimity of Indians.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 19 Jan 2010 23:28

Never thought I would hear this at BRF.

For decades now, Pakis have been jacking off to Madhuri Dikshit & more recently, to Katrina Kaif (halal). How has their appetite for Bollywood & Ekta Kapoor soaps ever made a difference to their anti India hatred?! These Pakis deserve to be humiliated like this again & again, they deserve to be stomped on, their faces smeared with pig poop & shown around atop a donkey. They have inferiority complex filled all inside them, which comes out as pus every time we give them a wound.

How can you guys want India to be a wimp?

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 19 Jan 2010 23:29

^^^ If you read BCCI in reverse it's ICCB i.e. ICC for Bharat...

Miandad need not worry ... ICC(B) does control T20 kirkit...

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 19 Jan 2010 23:30

ramana wrote: Finally someone has taken an action in best interests and its being second guessed.

ramana
I am convinced that some BIG gun influenced this decision not to field paki players. Any guesses who this person might be?

I am glad that that this Aman ki Asha is stabbed. This snub will bleed to death this tamasha.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 19 Jan 2010 23:31

This item is getting sidelined here.. the news of 5 paki's swapping boarding passes to the flight to manchester. Is there not a security loophole here. Once in the dep lounge or transit area, only boarding passes are checked and no photo ID check is carried out. What prevents half a dozen jihadi's swapping boarding passes at a transit terminal at say Singapore or HK with the intention to board a certain route say to US or India? Like 5 Jihadi's arrive from Timbuktu (lax security) to Singapore enroute, and 5 Paki's from Kraachi also arrive there. They exchange boarding passes and the timbuktu folks head to Y place where the Kraachi guys initially obtained easy visas and a quick back to kraachi transit (so not caught), while kraachi jihadi's get explosives and stuff in cologne/ perfume bottles and board for destination Mumbai or New York..just thinking aloud really.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 19 Jan 2010 23:32

^^^^
Guys we are giving IPL too much credit.
It was an economic decision. Any player who may not be able to turn up to play would have been an issue

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Jan 2010 23:33

Altair wrote:
ramana wrote: Finally someone has taken an action in best interests and its being second guessed.
ramana
I am convinced that some BIG gun influenced this decision not to field paki players. Any guesses who this person might be?

I am glad that that this Aman ki Asha is stabbed. This snub will bleed to death this tamasha.

MKN last blast!

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 19 Jan 2010 23:34

11 bakis get rejected from IPL we have some yindus cowering in dark places.

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 19 Jan 2010 23:34

a_bharat wrote:No question of appeasement -- just be wise; I said they should have been kept out of IPL without badly humiliating them.

You say that like it was all intentional and well co-ordinated part (good if it were, they deserve it for making IPL move). But, you putting it that way will make it real for a lot of "enlightened folks".

If there should be an equation, it is "They were responsible for 26/11, made IPL move out of India and now are paying price". So lets not make it to be anymore than what it was.

These are private teams and have their criteria, they are not PCB!

I see where you are coming from though, but we will never be ready completely. There will always be workarounds for whatever measures we put in, so now as as good as tomorrow.

James B · Post by **James B** » 19 Jan 2010 23:42

harbans wrote:This item is getting sidelined here.. the news of 5 paki's swapping boarding passes to the flight to manchester. Is there not a security loophole here. Once in the dep lounge or transit area, only boarding passes are checked and no photo ID check is carried out. What prevents half a dozen jihadi's swapping boarding passes at a transit terminal at say Singapore or HK with the intention to board a certain route say to US or India? Like 5 Jihadi's arrive from Timbuktu (lax security) to Singapore enroute, and 5 Paki's from Kraachi also arrive there. They exchange boarding passes and the timbuktu folks head to Y place where the Kraachi guys initially obtained easy visas and a quick back to kraachi transit (so not caught), while kraachi jihadi's get explosives and stuff in cologne/ perfume bottles and board for destination Mumbai or New York..just thinking aloud really.

At least in Europe and India (where I have this experience), they cross check passport against boarding pass before the passengers are let into the plane. I think this has been a standard procedure for a while.

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 19 Jan 2010 23:43

ramana wrote:Where is the fine line between being wise and appeasement? Dealing with terrorist supporters is not wise but the later. Finally someone has taken an action in best interests and its being second guessed.

Keeping them out of IPL is the right thing to do. Making them ineligible for auction is not appeasement, S-e-S was. Did we have to put them on auction and then not bid for them?

archan · Post by **archan** » 19 Jan 2010 23:45

Altair wrote:
ramana wrote: Finally someone has taken an action in best interests and its being second guessed.
ramana
I am convinced that some BIG gun influenced this decision not to field paki players. Any guesses who this person might be?

I am glad that that this Aman ki Asha is stabbed. This snub will bleed to death this tamasha.

You are convinced. Without seeing any kind of proof, any source, anything, you are convinced.

It is interesting, on one hand we have BRFites looking for the complicity of Indian rich class in aman ka tamasha et al. and thinking of them as selling out national interests and showing love to the pakis. On other hand we have people trying to find hidden hand for something presumably anti-pakistan.
For what its worth, it might have been a purely business decision. It is business that IPL is about, it is not about cricket, not likely to be about India's pride (or else they wouldn't have shifted to SA last year).

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 19 Jan 2010 23:46

a_bharat wrote:
ramana wrote:Where is the fine line between being wise and appeasement? Dealing with terrorist supporters is not wise but the later. Finally someone has taken an action in best interests and its being second guessed.
Keeping them out of IPL is the right thing to do. Making them ineligible for auction is not appeasement, S-e-S was. Did we have to put them on auction and then not bid for them?

Isko kehte hain, joota bheega ke maarna ...

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 19 Jan 2010 23:51

ramana wrote: Finally someone has taken an action in best interests and its being second guessed.

MKN last blast!

Makes Sense!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Jan 2010 23:53

For Lahori Paki Lurkers,synopsis of upcoming good news for you.

Quarantining of Pakistanians is at intial stage . Bismillah was done appropriately by Visa regime and TSA screening at the airports and now soon it will spread to all over civilized world. French are taking lead in Europe. Unless these yahoos change their basic toxic behaviour , Hukka Panni Bundh will be applied at world level. Next step is expelling of all Paki students from Kuffar schools in different countries. Once India GCC accord is signed for free market access, first step will be the banning of Paki labour , frobidding them to participlate in any worthwhile economic activites in Gulf. Gulf countries want to progress and modernize , they dont want to loose their young generation to Pakizm. Keeping AfPakQaida region under cage is now imperative for stopping worldwide terrorism. Good Luck Paki.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 19 Jan 2010 23:53

a_bharat wrote:
ramana wrote:Where is the fine line between being wise and appeasement? Dealing with terrorist supporters is not wise but the later. Finally someone has taken an action in best interests and its being second guessed.
Keeping them out of IPL is the right thing to do. Making them ineligible for auction is not appeasement, S-e-S was. Did we have to put them on auction and then not bid for them?

Each one of them signed up for auction after clearing all the formalities like NOC from PCB, Paki Govt, and signing affidavit in triplicate that he will not blow himself on cricket ground. It is just that we (as in IPL owners) didn't find them useful.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 19 Jan 2010 23:55

Sri Lanka, the other T20 finalist at the WC had one player auctioned off for a measly 50k, did we see whines from them for this imaginary humiliation? Aussies had 2, totally only 10 furrin players got auctioned, so what is this humiliation for the pakis? If you think too highly about yourself, pop goes the reality check. It was a pure and simple business calculation, if you are going to hire one or two persons (at the max), will you put your buck on the potential slambammer with multiple issues or will you put it on a decent choice given that you have a ton of choices? I am a rational player and I know my answer.

Did we have to put them on auction and then not bid for them?

Just because you apply for GC lottery, does it mean you have to get a GC cos you are some exalted soul? You come through the line and if you are perceived to be useful enough, people will buy you. Beggars cant be choosers.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 19 Jan 2010 23:55

krithivas wrote:It is not clear to me that:
1) an open exposure to India, and the prospect of monetary benefit, would impact Pakistani cricketers to have some loyalty to India;

While everyone is growing big beards, joining Tablighi Jamaat and praying on the field and trying to convert kuffar coaches and players of other country ? Its not clear to me either if they would be loyal to india

munna · Post by **munna** » 19 Jan 2010 23:55

a_bharat wrote:Keeping them out of IPL is the right thing to do. Making them ineligible for auction is not appeasement, S-e-S was. Did we have to put them on auction and then not bid for them?

Yup, as I said they need to understand that they are not equals of India (country to country level) no matter how much mindless violence they perpetrate against unarmed civilians. Heck we shall give Bangladesh, Nepal, Lanka and Bhutan equal (H&D nutritious) treatment but not them, glass ceiling will be imposed till they mend their ways. The seats on the high table of the republic are a settled affair, also emergence of BIMSTEC and not SAARC getting the preference as reflected in new inter regional power grid and trade agreements, the irrelevance of Af-Pak to our economic story is becoming clearer.

PS: They will get some crumbs, might even get a mercy chance to play IPL 2010 but it will be on OUR terms and their TFT self needs to be informed of that.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 19 Jan 2010 23:55

At least in Europe and India (where I have this experience), they cross check passport against boarding pass before the passengers are let into the plane. I think this has been a standard procedure for a while.

Who does it? the airline girls at the counter in the baggage check in area, not the security guys.. And i am referring to major transit airports like S'pore, HK, Bangkok. Once thats done the passengers mingle with other passengers flying to other transit areas. Even this attempted/ swap was caught just due to CCTV camera's. In these major transit areas once you arrive (assuming you're transiting onwards), once you've cleared the security, the boarding gates are all mixed. Just exchange passes and move onto the aircraft at boarding passes. Check Dubai, Singapore, HK all have the same procedure.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Jan 2010 00:03

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Altair"]
ramana wrote: Finally someone has taken an action in best interests and its being second guessed.
MKN last blast!
Makes Sense! [/

Message is bigger . D company no longer influence Cricket decisions. Wonder how many of them have been enjoying their ultimate dream.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 20 Jan 2010 00:09

harbans wrote:More Rona Dhona.. now from the Dawood camp....

ISLAMABAD: Former Pakistan cricket great Javed Miandad has called on the game's governing body to take control of Twenty20 tournaments after none of the country's players attracted any bids from Indian Premier League teams during its auction for players on Tuesday.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spor ... 477945.cms

IPL is BCCI approved domestic event. ICC never gave any sanction/approval to it nor is it needed by BCCI...

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 20 Jan 2010 00:11

Dunno boss, everywhere I've travelled in Europe and the ME, I've undergone along with all other passengers the last boarding pass/passport ID verification check before boarding. Sometimes (esp in MENA area) it is security guys, in Dubai and Europe it tends to be airline staff (but these guys are well briefed, esp these days). Not sure how this works in Pakisatani airports...

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 20 Jan 2010 00:13

archan wrote: You are convinced. Without seeing any kind of proof, any source, anything, you are convinced.
It is interesting, on one hand we have BRFites looking for the complicity of Indian rich class in aman ka tamasha et al. and thinking of them as selling out national interests and showing love to the pakis. On other hand we have people trying to find hidden hand for something presumably anti-pakistan.
For what its worth, it might have been a purely business decision. It is business that IPL is about, it is not about cricket, not likely to be about India's pride (or else they wouldn't have shifted to SA last year).

Evidence is right in front of us. If Pakistani players had been sold,they would have generated revenue for franchisee owners. IPL has considerable following in Pakistan which means money for sponsors. Snubbing those players means no money from that end. These franchisee owners are not exactly patriots who put country before business.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 20 Jan 2010 00:18

Prem wrote: Message is bigger . D company no longer effect Cricket decision. Wonder how many of them have been enjoying their ultimate dream.

Makes me believe the rumor that has been around. Dawood and/or Anees have been liquidated

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Jan 2010 00:24

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Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 20 Jan 2010 00:26

Another point of view

http://offstumped.wordpress.com/2010/01 ... t-players/

Yes, IPL as a private business has the right to do what it wants but that right is not beyond the ethics and values how any business must conduct itself. Tacit collusion by a cartel to discriminate against individuals based on origin doesnt speak highly of IPL’s ethics and values as a private business.

http://polaris.nationalinterest.in/2010 ... ered-ball/

With power comes privilege. After 96 years of being based in London, the International Cricket Council moved its headquarters eastwards, to Dubai, to be closer to the new centre of power. The ‘liberal’ entente regarding the rotation of World Cup hosting rights between continents was done away with, the subcontinent demanding a second helping over Australia and New Zealand’s protestations. And now, the world’s richest and most high-profile league is based in India, attracting the best international talent. Rich, brash, ruthless and unforgiving, Indian cricket has acted much like a hegemon might have been expected to act in international politics.