Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 20 Jan 2010 12:56

TKiran wrote:
Shahid Afridi could have been selected by Preity Zinta, atleast one Paki should have been selected. That would have been less offence to Pakbarians.

why should we care to give "less offence" to TSPians ?
what purpose does it serve ?
after all these years do we still believe that humane emotions like respect, gratitude etc have *ANY* relevance when it comes to pakistan ?
we simply refuse to learn don't we ? I fear there will come a time when there will be a bomb going off in every corner of India on a daily basis and people will still hesitate about "offending" pakistan, let alone think of a military response.

amit wrote: Finally Pakistan won the T20 World Cup. The country that came in runner up was Sri Lanka. Yet, if I'm not mistaken only one Sri Lankan was selected. The Aussies just took the pants off the Pakis in Australia. Yet only two Australians were selected. Do you see Sri Lankan or Aussie players howling in protest?

that too none from the playing XI. of the two selected one has retired from international cricket.

I really don't understand why everyone of importance in India from lalit modi to the president of India has to go around in circles appeasing pakis over IPL. and here we have a bunch of Indians losing sleep that pakis' feelings may be hurt that their players were not selected.

wtf should we even bother that paki players were not selected ? why are we even discussing this on BR ?

their players were given a chance to play in IPL3, the teams didn't select them. that's it, go cry me a river.

a_bharat wrote:
what I said is borne out quite well by facts and statements of those in the know as is available to us through the media.
it's not our problem if you choose to be ignorant of the facts but then we can also convey to you that you are being ignorant ?
Perhaps I am being ignorant, or, may be you are being naive.

or perhaps the Home Minister is.

clearly you are more aware of terror attempts in India than the person who is directly responsible for preventing them !
and I'm naive ?

amit · Post by **amit** » 20 Jan 2010 13:16

Rahul please see the comment in my previous post about the Stockholm Syndrome. I'm sorry to say this but we've been badly afflicted by this psychological problem. If it's evident in BRF, I hate to think what's the situation outside our community.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 20 Jan 2010 13:18

Fairy tales from Pakistan.Sorry to post it here ,but it gives one an idea of the drug-induced hallucinations of the Paki media,especially the rabid anti-Indian ones.

Firstly,there is a huge body of Indian political opinion that cuts across the political spectrum which is firmly against any Indian military involvement in Afghanistan,where Indian troops would replace those of the NATO and the US.The war in Afghanistan has been badly managed and India is not the "toliet cleaner" of Uncle Sam.Afghanistan requires a combined UN effort with UN led troops/peacekeepers to help restore stability to the country so that Afghan troops will eventually take over the security of their land.The problem is the rapacious ambitions of Pakistan,who want to devour Afghanistan through their diabolic proxy the Taliban.The war was initially envisaged at destroying AlQ and eliminating Osama BL,plus creating "space" for an oil pipeline bringing Kazakh oil to the Arabian Sea through Afghanistan and Pak.The anti-US forces including AlQ however exist not only in Afghanistan,the badlands on the border,but also in the HQ of the ISI in Islamabad.Hence the quagmire that the Af-Pak war has become.India is in Afghanistan to assist the Afghan govt. in rebuilding its infrastructure and giving it whatever non-military assistance (other than intel inputs) it requires to stay the course.If Indian troops are to be used to wage war in Pakistani territory,free POK or crackdown on the terror bases inside Pak,that is another matter and worthwhile exercise in comparison!

http://dailymailnews.com/0110/19/FrontP ... tPage1.htm

Kabul attacked soon after Indian MI Chief‘s covert Afghan trip
—General Loomba gave special Instructions to covertly deployed Indian troopers in Afghanistan
—RAW officials accompanied MI Chief to Afghanistan for special purposes
—Senior serving MI officers already found guilty of running terror network
—India’s RAW, MI running terror, insurgency networks in Afghanistan

From Sabrina Elkhani

KABUL—Just a couple of days after Chief of India’s Military Intelligence Lt. General R.K Loomba, completed his “high profile” yet covert trip to Afghanistan, militants struck in the heart of the Afghan capital on Monday, launching suicide attacks at key government targets including the Presidential Palace and locked security forces in running gun battles, which left nine people, including four attackers dead.
The brazen strike in the city was a clear sign that the Indian MI Chief’s sensational trip to Afghanistan was not just a visit to make certain assessments but it had some extraordinary motives to pave the way for an elaborated military role of India in Afghanistan by proving that constantly increasing insurgency and terror in Afghanistan was not possible for the ISAF troops alone and the Indian army was the ultimate solution, reveal the investigations of The Daily Mail
After a series of blasts and more than three hours of ensuing gunfights outside several ministries and inside a shopping mall, President Hamid Karzai said security had been restored to the capital, though search operations continued amid reports that attackers were hiding in the city.
Explosions and heavy machine-gun fire rattled the city for hours. Debris was strewn on the streets, which were quickly abandoned by crowds that normally fill the area. Defense ministry spokesman Gen Mohammad Zahir Azimi said a child and a policeman were killed. The ministry of public health later said five people, a civilian and four security forces, were killed and 30 others wounded.
The Daily Mail’s findings indicate that the incident occurred at a time when the US Defence Secretary Robert Gates and US Special Envoy on Pakistan and Afghanistan Richard Holbrook were set to hold talks with Indians to discuss an elaborated military role of India in Afghanistan.
These findings further indicate that New Delhi is desirous of taking a comprehensive military role in Afghanistan after the US and the NATO troops are withdrawn from the war ravaged country and thus it wants to be militarily engaged in Afghanistan right now to take the military control gradually. The Indians are planning to get a nod in this regard, during or after the high profile international conference on Afghanistan that is going to be held in London later this month. The findings reveal that at the moment, the Indians have planned to prove their importance for deployment in Afghanistan to the Americans and the NATO members and thus it has launched an aggressive campaign of terror and insurgency operations in Afghanistan through its own agents and operatives.
The Daily Mail’s findings further indicate that to make an “assessment” in this direction and to give certain fresh direction to the Indian army personnel, present in Afghanistan, the Chief of Military Intelligence of India Lt. General Loomba carried out a stealthy trip to Afghanistan along with some top MI and RAW officials. The findings suggest that the Loomba team, apart from meeting the Afghan, US and NATO officials, also met with some of the covert Indian troops that are posted in Afghanistan in the disguise of trainers of Afghan Nationa Army and also as Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP). The Daily Mail’s findings further indicate that an officer of the Indian Army, with the rank of Major General, who is on a covert assignment in Afghanistan for the past couple of years also held a special meeting with the Loomba & Company. These findings indicate that the said officer runs a covert training network in Afghanistan with the joint efforts of RAW and the Special Operations Division of RAW provides human resource to the said Indian army general from different parts of Afghanistan.
The Daily Mail’s findings further indicate that Indian’s Military Intelligence has a history of getting engaged in terror activities in the region. The serving officers of Indian Army’s Military Intelligence are on record to have been exposed and even arrested for indulging into high profile terror activities out of professional jealousies, in bid to prove to be at par with RAW. These findings reveal that a senior officer of Indian Military Intelligence, a Colonel named Srikant Purohit was arrested by top Indian Investigators Hemant Karkare for planning and executing a very high profile terror operation in which a Pakistan-bound train, Samjhota Express was set ablaze and over 60 Pakistanis were burnt alive in the inferno. These findings indicate that Karkare’s investigation had proved that some serving officers of the Indian MI were running a terror network with the connivance of certain serving and retired officers of Indian Army and there was a nexus between these military men and the radical Hindu extremist organizations.
The Daily Mail’s findings indicate that Lt Col Shrikant Purohit, alias 'Mithun Chakraborty', serving in the MI was arrested in connection with the Malegaon blast and 2007 Samjhauta Express blaze (killing 69 Pakistani passengers returning from India) and was also working for General ® Hoon and Colonel ® Chitale, running the militant wings of Hindu extremists outfit Shiv Sena. Colonel ® Jayant Chitale and his associate Sanjeev Atre, were arrested in November 2002 for running a suicide training camp on the outskirts of Mumbai and but were later released at the intervention of RAW. It is no coincidence that Col ® Chitale is now the next door neighbour of Col Purohit, the main accused in Samjhauta Express blaze and Malegaon blasts.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 20 Jan 2010 13:21

I can imagine Jahil Hamid coming on TV to say that Laleeeeet Modi ij biradher oph Naaaaarender Modi.

I have the phull inphormason phrom the daaaaaaleeeeeets and shoooooodaaaaaraaas.

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 20 Jan 2010 13:45

ramana wrote: a_bharat and others it might be useful to read about Axelrod and his theory of Evolution of Cooperation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Evolut ... ooperation

Being "nice" can be beneficial, but it can also lead to being suckered. To obtain the benefit – or avoid exploitation – it is necessary to be provocable to both retaliation and forgiveness. When the other player defects, a nice strategy must immediately be provoked into retaliatory defection.[31] The same goes for forgiveness: return to cooperation as soon as the other player does. Overdoing the punishment risks escalation, and can lead to an "unending echo of alternating defections" that depresses the scores of both players.

In summary, success in an evolutionary "game" correlated with the following characteristics:
Be nice: cooperate, never be the first to defect.
Be provocable: return defection for defection, cooperation for cooperation.
Don't be envious: be fair with your partner.
Don't be too clever: or, don't try to be tricky.

India didn't display the "Be provocable" characteristic in its relationship with Pakistan in a long time. Is this due to being "too clever" or really being Chanakyan or due to lack of capability?

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 20 Jan 2010 13:48

"tsp players could have been humiliated in a less offensive manner"

this is an interesting conundrum which probably has a little bit of truth to it.

possibly ipl could have informed pcb that they were not welcome to play in india till they offered a formal apology (including a letter signed by the whole team that the mumbai attacks were despicable acts - and that they wished pakistanis would only play sport in india and not commit murder and harakiri.) for not coming over the last time due to "security reasons" or whatever other unacceptable political reasons. tsp would most likely have attempted to brush this under the carpet - but we could have stonewalled them into not participating till they actually groveled.

having said that, it was clear that they did grovel this time around and were spat on their faces. nice.

amit · Post by **amit** » 20 Jan 2010 14:02

rajpa wrote:possibly ipl could have informed pcb that they were not welcome to play in india till they offered a formal apology for not coming over the last time due to "security reasons" or whatever other unacceptable political reasons. tsp would most likely have brushed this under the carpet - but we could have stonewalled them into not participating till they actually groveled.

having said that, it was clear that they did grovel this time around and were spat on their faces. nice.

Rajpa,

Your reasoning (and that of some others too) is pre-supposing that the non selection of the TSP players were part of some grand strategy. Why is so hard to imagine that there was no such strategy and it was purely a business decision by the franchises who want the maximum bang for the buck with their players - meaning they want to hire cricketers who would be available for the most number of matches and whom (the managements think) would contribute the most to winning matches?

Tell me something, before the auctions did anyone think only two Aussies would get to play, and that too - as Rahul pointed out - players who are not in their national team? Surely there was no conspiracy/strategy there? The maximum number of Aussies played in IPL just after the Andrew Maa'Ki incident when tempers were at their highest.

We are giving way too much importance to the cretins from across the border.

Edit alert: Added a bit to my post but thrust is the same

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 20 Jan 2010 14:05

amit wrote:
rajpa wrote:possibly ipl could have informed pcb that they were not welcome to play in india till they offered a formal apology for not coming over the last time due to "security reasons" or whatever other unacceptable political reasons. tsp would most likely have brushed this under the carpet - but we could have stonewalled them into not participating till they actually groveled.

having said that, it was clear that they did grovel this time around and were spat on their faces. nice.
Rajpa,

Your reasoning (and that of some others too) is pre-supposing that the non selection of the TSP players were part of grand strategy. Why is so hard to imagine that there was no such strategy and it was purely a business decision by the franchises who want the maximum bang for the buck with their players - meaning they want to hire cricketers who would be available for the most number of matches and whom (the managements think) would contribute the most to winning matches?

Tell me something, before the auctions did anyone think only two Aussies would get to play, and that too - as Rahul pointed out - players who are not in their national team?

We are giving way too much importance to the cretins from across the border.

no presupposing. it would have made the chances of tsp playing cricket much more remote given the circs. hehe. hey somebody's gotta do that too!

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 20 Jan 2010 14:07

other possibilities are that the home ministry or whoever should have imposed a terrorist surcharge on tsp players disallowing auctions of more than $25k on any tsp player given that the money goes to tsp. or 100% tax on earnings of tsp players in ipl.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 20 Jan 2010 14:07

If it was a business decision based on economics, the players should have attracted bids after lowering their price to compensate for the risks involved in their participation. How are the base prices for the auction decided, and is there no flexibility to drop prices to say the $25,000 range to attract bids?

amit · Post by **amit** » 20 Jan 2010 14:10

rajpa wrote:other possibilities are that the home ministry or whoever should have imposed a terrorist surcharge on tsp players disallowing auctions of more than $25k on any tsp player given that the money goes to tsp.

This is one suggestion I like. Why not make some money from Paki terrorism (and use the money to fight it). They are going to export their IT anyway. In this way they'll pay for the privilege of indulging in terror.

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harbans · Post by **harbans** » 20 Jan 2010 14:10

List of Paki humiliations:

1. Paki's send tribals raping and looting Kashmiri's and prompting the ruler to accede to India in 47. Paki's humiliated.
2. UN tells Paki army to vacate kashmir for plebiscite. Never does, but Paki's humiliated India doesn't have a plebiscite.
3. Paki's humiliated at failure of op Gibralter and tashkent agreement.
4. Paki's humiliated after massacring 3 million and creating 10 m refugees in India in 71.
5. Paki's humilated after entire war criminal army surrenders enmasse, proving Paki's can use India as 'strategic depth.'
6. Paki's humiliated by pressler agreement, while proliferating openly and shamelessly.
7. Paki's humilated by India and US after they invade Kargil and have to be forced back.
8. Paki's humiliated after parliament attack and deny any Paki's in the attack.
9. Paki's humiliated after 26-11 and claim Amar Singh and not Paki's carrying it out.
10. Paki's humilated by India's growing economy and help building Afghanistan.
11. Paki's humilated at not being treated ==.
13. Paki's humilated at being Indians neighbour.
14. Paki's humilated at having Hindu roots and now claim Arab, Mongol, Turkish, TFTA linkage even when as dark skinned as Musharaffs butt or Chuckters musharaff.
15. Paki's humiliated at Buddha statues in Swat and Afghanistan.

Please add to this list if you can..

Hey guys, the reason you feel bad is you think like humans. These folks will feel slight, humilation, loss of H&D, loss of face etc at anything. Even simple business decisions like the IPL one. Remember the biggest security risk to all these events also happens to be their ISI/ PA combine. Disrupting these events and creating a Lahore== in India is a top priority in their strategic planning department, with serving Officers directing handlers, training 'non state actors' like the LeT and Jaish to disrupt India's progress and drag it down to the gutter that Pukistan is in. Just imagine the propaganda if say they hire a sharp shooter to do in Afridi or take a pot shot at him while playing in the league. This mentality of feeling 'humilation' is typical feudal RAPE.

amit · Post by **amit** » 20 Jan 2010 14:13

vera_k wrote:If it was a business decision based on economics, the players should have attracted bids after lowering their price to compensate for the risks involved in their participation. How are the base prices for the auction decided, and is there no flexibility to drop prices to say the $25,000 range to attract bids?

As far as I know there's no non-satiety principle involved in these auctions. So lower prices don't necessarily mean that players would get chosen.

Franchises buy with an idea of what king of team it wants and the number of players are fixed. Once that is decided I don't think they'd pick a player even he came for free.

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 20 Jan 2010 14:14

another possibility is that ipl+bcci forcing pcb to make a statement donating the proceeds of the earnings of their ipl players to victims of mumbai attacks or to the nsg.

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 20 Jan 2010 14:15

pakis are also humiliated that india claims victory in all the wars won by india (and for not allowing tsp to claim victory in even one of these despite being tfta mards.)

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 20 Jan 2010 14:44

pakis are humiliated that they have let down all the great martial mughal, turkish, arabic, mongol islamic rapacious, blood thirsty, soorma lagake warriors who curdled the blood of hindus with great rapacious acts of murder and mayhem and wholesome murderous entertainment by losing to the same in all the wars fought between the two.

pakistanis are humiliated at their impotence in that they are unable to comtemplate rape of any hindu or cut any hindu heads anymore in more such glorious wars.

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 20 Jan 2010 14:52

pakis are also humiliated that they dont have the brains, smarts to know what they should be humiliated by the economic and technological success of india.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 20 Jan 2010 14:56

You get it. Absolutely. The person/ nation who feels humilated is looking for outward applause/ appreciation. Inwardly it lacks self esteem and thus is very sensitive to it's surrounding. India is a nation that seeks little approval outside if you see, except of course the feudal minded pseudo seculars in the media, page 3 etc. Paki's are always looking outside, humilation will always be a part of their life. The people who should be protesting more than Paki's are nations like Bangladesh, Zimbabwe that they don't have representation. That representation would popularize this sport in their nations and make Cricket more international. SL, OZ made no issues on this event.

rohiths · Post by **rohiths** » 20 Jan 2010 14:56

As anticipated
RAW hand in IPL auctions

Beware like a true paki website it has malware
http://dailymailnews.com/0110/20/FrontP ... tPage1.htm

Aman Ki Asha dove slaughtered by Indians at IPL auction

—None of the 11 Pakistani cricketers hired by Indian celebrities in IPL auction
—Chhota Rajan’s mafia Gang of RAW, Shiv Sena forced bidders, organizers to ignore Pak cricketers
—IPL Chief Lalit Modi dances to the tunes of Hindu Extremists, drug racketeers & match fixing mafia
—Modi emerges as Mafia’s top facilitator for drugs trafficking —IPL Chief convicted in drug cases while charged for cheating, forgery
—Shiv Sena men torched Modi’s home for pressurizing him to arrange slaying of Pak cricketers from IPL-3
—Rajan Gang’s Ramesh Gupta alias Pappu remained attached with Modi in South Africa edition of IPL

he peace dove with the name of Aman Ki Asha ( Hope of Peace), flown by a local media group The Times of India, jointly with a Pakistani Media group a couple of weeks back, was slaughtered brutally here on Tuesday by the Indian Business tycoons, Showbiz and cricket celebrities when none of the 11 Pakistani cricketers’ name was even given a look at the IPL3 cricket auction giving a big blow to peace overtures through sports and left millions of Indian and international cricket fans in a big shock as even world’s most sizzling all-rounder of the world in the T-20 form of cricket Shahid Afridi found no bidders.
All-rounder Kieron Pollard was the star attraction with the bidding going into a tie-breaker. Pollard was finally bagged by Mumbai Indians for $750,000 but the amount for the tie-breaker has not been disclosed.
Kolkata Knight Riders and Deccan Chargers were involved in another tie-breaker for ex-ICL player Shane Bond. The bid was finally won by Bollywood icon Shah Rukh Khan’s Kolkata Knight Riders for $750,000(Rs 3.41 crore) but again the tie-breaker amount wasn’t disclosed. Rajasthan Royals bought ex-ICL player from Australia Damien Martyn for $100,000. West Indies fast bowler Kemar Roach was bought by Deccan Chargers for $720,000. Chennai Super Kings won the bid for Sri Lankan Thissara Perera for $50,000. Rajasthan Royals bagged Australian Adam Voges for $50,000.

The Daily Mail’s findings indicate that the Pakistani cricketers were axed in a rather humiliated manner from the IPL through a premeditated campaign, organized jointly by RAW underworld Mafia wing and Mumbai-based extremist Hindu outfit Shiv Sena while the IPL Chief Lalit Kuma Modi was the key actor of the whole drama and played a major role in not only motivating the bidders to refrain from hiring Pakistani Cricketers but also created a variety of documentary problems and doubts about the participation of Pakistani players in the 3rd IPL.
The Daily Mail’s findings reveal that the move to oust Pakistani Cricketers from Indian Premier League’s 3rd session started soon after the 2nd session of IPL ended last year. However, the drive gained momentum by the end of last year when RAW directed its Underworld Mafi Gang, known as Chhot Rajan Gang to start its operation to keep Pakistani cricketers out of the IPL. These findings reveal that in the meantime, RAW also activated its other baby outfit Shiv Sena to launch a parallel ‘crusade against participation of Pakistani cricketers by persuading the IPL organizers and the bidders.
The Daily Mail’s findings indicate that in this direction, Chhota Rajan gang’s local chief Paulson Joseph started contacting Lalit Modi and asked him to initiate a drive to block the entry of Pakistani cricketers into IPL. These investigations also indicate the gang’s Cape Town-based South Africa Chief Ramesh Gupta alias Pappu also paid at least six visits to India and haled meetings with Lalit Modi in Mumbai to persuade him to create some technical reasons to block Pak Cricketers’ participation in the 3rd IPL. The Daily Mail’s investigation also disclose that Ramesh Gupta alias Pappu is not handling drugs related affairs in South Africa but is also the head of the betting and Match Fixing racket of the Gang and generated billions of rupees for the gang during the last IPL edition that was held in South Africa.
The Daily Mail’s investigations reveal that Lalit Modi finally informed Pappu and Joseph that he could arrange certain documents related problems to keep Pak cricketers away. These findings indicate that following this, Lalit Modi on December 10, 2009 announced that the Pakistani cricketers had missed the deadline for the third IPL and the only way they can be part of the Twenty20 tournament is through the January 19 auction. Modi said the Pakistani cricketers missed the bus by failing to get visas by the December 7 deadline and the IPL franchises have already replaced them with fresh recruits. It was followed by certain visa problems by the Indian authorities for Pak players. But it appears that it was not enough as both the Rajan Gang as well the Shiv Sena militants wanted to seal-off all the possibilities of participation of Pak players.
The Daily Mail’s findings further reveal that when Modi expressed his inability to do anything more in this direction, he was threatened severely on phone by the Shiv Sena Bal Thackeray, who after losing the general elections for the third successive term, was desperate to play anti-Pakistan card to regain some popularity and thus had already announced after the tragic Mumbai terror attack that his party wont allow any Pakistani Cricketer to play in India. These Findings reveal that when Modi ignored the Shiv Sena chief’s threats, the Shiv Sena activist organized to burn Modi’s house to give him a final warning to meet their demands.
The Daily Mail’s investigations indicate that on 19th December 2009, Shiv Sena operatives set Modi’s home, Anand Bungalow in the upscale Gandhigram Road area of Juhu, close to the ISKCON Temple, in north-west Mumbai ablaze and warned him to come up with some imitate steps to bar Pak cricketers, though it is still “officially” reported that Modi’s house caught fire due to certain electric short circuiting. But Mumbai’s underworld knows very well as to who was behind this mysterious blaze.
The Daily Mail’s investigations indicate that this development scared Modi to the maximum and he embarked upon another journey to solve the problem he was facing. This journey it is revealed, started from Mumbai and ended up at Cape town South Africa where Modi held a detailed meeting with Rajan gang’s Pappu and forwarded him a proposal, following which, the Rajan Gang was to use its terrorizing influence to help Modi in convincing the bidders of the IPL auction to refrain from bidding for Pak players during the auction. Pappu agreed to the same while on his return, to Mumbai, Modi was able to convince Shiv Sena Chief for the same.
The daily Mail’s findings indicate that after this development, Modi started the mission of discouraging the IPL bidders, including business tycoons like Ambani and showbiz celebrities like Shlipa Shetty, Shah Rukh Khan, Preity Zinta etc. Modi tried to convince the bidders that there were very little possibilities of Pak cricketers being able to make to the IPL due to certain documents related issues and security reasons. These findings indicate that in the beginning, the bidders, particularly Shah Rukh Khan and Preity Zinta were not convinced by Modi’s philosophy but when Shiv Sena and Rajan Gang chipped in, the trick worked and it resulted in humiliated ouster of all the aspiring Pakistani cricketers from the IPL-3
The Daily Mail’s findings indicate that despite following the orders of the bosses at Lodhi Road New Delhi, the Rajan Gang didn’t miss the opportunity of making millions of dollars by winning bets over no Pak player playing in IPL-3. According to sources in betting networks, Pappu-led betting mafia of Rajan Gang won around three billion US dollars by betting on ouster of Pak players from IPL-3.
The Daily Mail’s findings reveal that Modi himself has been a facilitator of Chhota Rajan gang’s match fixing and drug mafia wings. These findings indicate that Modi was promoted to the current position by the Rajan gang and it was on the behest of Rajan Gang that the venue for the 2nd IPL session was shifted to South Africa from India by Lalit Modi, hiding behind the notions of security threats in India after the 26/11 incident. It is believed that the Rajan gang not only minted billions of dollars through match fixing and betting during IPL tourney last year in South Africa but huge drug deals were also finalized on the sidelines of the tournament, with the notice of Lalit Modi.
The Daily Mail’s findings indicate that owing to Rajan Gang’s strong hold over Modi. IPL never opted to introduce anti-match fixing practices in the IPL and infect it refused an offer by the ICC in this direction. These findings indicate that to facilitate the Pappu and company, the IPL rejected an offer to use ICC’s anti-corruption and security experts in South Africa for the tournament, preferring to use its own staff.
The ICC’s Anti-Corruption and Security Unit is used for international tournaments, but the body does not make it mandatory for domestic competitions. However since it attracts highly paid leading players from all over the world, The IPL and the BCCI are bound to apply the ICC’s Anti-Corruption and ant-match fixing system.
The Daily Mail’s findings indicate that as the IPL landed in the hands of the underworld mafia in South Africa, the match fixing and corruption started emerging rapidly. Former Pakistan Captain Javed Miandad feels there is a serious possibility of matches being fixed in the cash-rich Twenty20 events of IPL. Miandad said the league in South Africa was witnessed to some surprising results where teams surprisingly lost from clearly winning positions. “There is a definite smell of match-fixing coming from the IPL where strange things are happening,” said Mindad.
“I don’t consider the IPL as cricket, it is a joke. It is strange that players who are not regular bowlers have taken hat-tricks in the league. Teams are losing matches from winning positions,” he said.
Miandad feels the International Cricket Council (ICC) needs to step in and check possible corruption in the event. “If at all such Twenty20 cricket leagues must be held they should be held under the direct supervision of the ICC or else there will always be fear of corruption taking place in matches,” he said.
Miandad said it was strange that the ICC’s anti-corruption unit was not present in the IPL despite the big money at stake and the number of foreign players involved in the competition.
The Daily Mail’s findings indicate that Lalit Modi has a history of being involved in drug trafficking and fraudulent activities. The Daily Mail’s findings reveal that In 2005, Modi figured in a power struggle that resulted in Sharad Pawar, an influential politician and national cabinet minister, ousting former Indian cricket supremo and ICC chief Jagmohan Dalmiya in BCCI elections .But, Modi’s bid for membership of India’s main cricket body hit a snag. The outgoing board appointed a committee to investigate drug charges against Modi when he was a student at a US university in 1985.
The Daily mail’s findings reveal that Lalit Modi was charged and pleaded guilty to drug possession, assault and kidnapping case in 1985 while he was a student in Duke University, USA. He was sentenced to 2 years in prison and came back to India after being released on probation.
In 2007 a PIL was filed in Mumbai High court challenging his position in BCCI on pretext of his criminal history. Though the court refused to unseat Modi, it asked the BCCI “to implement stringent regulatory measures so that those involved in criminal cases, not just illegal drugs but other serious charges have no place in administration”. But unsurprisingly BCCI paid no heed to the court’s advice.
The Daily Mail’s investigations further reveal that Lalit Modi was once at Lord’s to launch the charitable British Asian Cup but he was embarrassed to a Luke warm response as the Indian Premier League commissioner’s previous commitments to good causes were the subject of a court case in India.
These findings indicate that in an on-the-field ceremony Modi handed over a cheque for £780,000 to the Rajasthan Chief Minister’s Relief Fund. But not all the money cleared in its bank account and Nagrik Morcha, a nongovernmental organisation, brought accusations to the Rajasthan high court in March 2008 that Modi was guilty of “cheating and forgery”. Modi was granted “anticipatory bail”, ensuring he would not be held in custody for what is otherwise a non-bailable offence.
Modi’s lawyers told the court that the cheque was merely “symbolic” of the IPL’s intention to contribute to the fund, and that all but £26,000 had reached its destination. The rest, they added, “could have been paid in total but due to financial crises two of the sponsors, namely Citibank and Kingfisher, withheld the amount due to be paid.”
The Daily Mail’s findings further indicate that in February 2009, Modi got a three-week interim protection against arrest from the Bombay High Court in a criminal case against him in Rajasthan.
The High Court allowed Modi to approach appropriate court in Rajasthan for seeking further relief within three weeks, directing that he not be arrested in this period. Modi feared arrest by Rajasthan police after an FIR was lodged against him for cheating, impersonation, and fabrication of documents at Nagaur, Rajasthan on January 27, 2009.
Modi, had purchased land in Nagaur in September 2004, but it was alleged that he was not present in the office of deputy registrar when sale deed in his favour was registered.
The IPL chief therefore filed an anticipatory bail application at Bombay High Court, alleging that FIR was lodged only to “pressurise him” and stop him from contesting forthcoming elections of Rajasthan Cricket Association, of which he is the incumbent president.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 20 Jan 2010 15:05

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... awar-ss-01

Only an injury but better than weeks of nothing...

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 20 Jan 2010 15:08

possibly ipl could have informed pcb that they were not welcome to play in india till they offered a formal apology for not coming over the last time due to "security reasons" or whatever other unacceptable political reasons.

rajpa, IPL/BCCI is a sporting body, they have neither the power nor are they in the business of running India's foreign policy. the paki players didn't come over due to the paki govt. on their own they would surely have played and earned the $$$ which they missed out on.

rajpa wrote:another possibility is that ipl+bcci forcing pcb to make a statement donating the proceeds of the earnings of their ipl players to victims of mumbai attacks or to the nsg.

this is plain ridiculous (and impossible), if you pardon me saying it.

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 20 Jan 2010 15:16

Rahul M wrote:
possibly ipl could have informed pcb that they were not welcome to play in india till they offered a formal apology for not coming over the last time due to "security reasons" or whatever other unacceptable political reasons.
rajpa, IPL/BCCI is a sporting body, they have neither the power nor are they in the business of running India's foreign policy. the paki players didn't come over due to the paki govt. on their own they would surely have played and earned the $$$ which they missed out on.

rajpa wrote:another possibility is that ipl+bcci forcing pcb to make a statement donating the proceeds of the earnings of their ipl players to victims of mumbai attacks or to the nsg.
this is plain ridiculous (and impossible), if you pardon me saying it.

see, you dont get it.

firstly ipl should be hurt they were humiliated by the pcb for not sending their players the last time and then should demand the apology. they are well within their humiliation to ask for that. pakis will understand that.

ridiculous is commonplace in tsp.

ipl+bcci could have armtwisted the pcb in a back channel chat using wkk principles possibly using the monkey ayeshas as well. why cant we learn from their tactical brilliance, hain? like i said stonewall them to make them grovel.

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 20 Jan 2010 15:17

Away from IPL (quite a non issue really), interesting one from Shri Robert Gates

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/india ... 11/569640/

I think it's not unreasonable to assume Indian patience would be limited were there to be further attacks, Gates told reporters on a trip to New Delhi."

Goes back to the point on why terror attacks, at least of the high profile jihadi kind, have been on the ebb in the last one year..It is in America's interest to keep India off Pak's back, and it can only be done by preventing another 26/11 type affair...

This should be the point for us to max the utility of US presence in Af - how about driving for a quasi permanent "international mission" in Af, once Obama's deadline for withdrawal gets over? Bit like the UN force in Lebanon, but with a mandate to "enforce" peace, rather than the toothless one that UN has in Lebanon..That mission, almost by definition, will be manned by (among others), US troops, and even at lower levels, will bind American interests congruent to ours..

Training of ANA by India is another massive strategic win - it will enable us entrench ourselves even more firmly in KAbul without having to commit a large military force...

KaranR · Post by **KaranR** » 20 Jan 2010 15:27

pgbhat wrote:[url=http://www.thenews.com.pkdaily_detail.asp?id=219754J]JI slams ignoring Pak cricketers in IPL auction[/url]
AMEER Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) Syed Munawar Hasan has said that ignoring Pakistani cricketers in the Indian Premier League (IPL) auction despite an official invitation to them is an insult to the entire Pakistani nation.

Besides, he said it was also a slap on the face of those striving for confidence building between the two countries through artificial means.

He said this had fully established India’s treachery and duplicity and proved beyond doubt that India could never be sincere towards Pakistan. He said in view of the New Delhi’s attitude, there was no justification for going for test matches or ODIs with India. There should be a complete ban on Pakistan-India matches and the Pakistani players should also give priority to national honour over money.

Iwish they would and ****** off back to Saudia Arbia.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 20 Jan 2010 15:44

Aman ki Asha is now slowly turning into Aman ki Ash. RIP.

arun · Post by **arun** » 20 Jan 2010 15:51

A January 2010 study by the Center on Law and Security, New York University School of Law, shows the citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan are very well represented in cases involving terrorism in the US covering the period 11 Sept., 2001 to 11 Sept., 2009.

The solid presence of citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan does not just end there. For example Mohamed Junaid Babar and Iyman Faris who make it onto the terrorism list as citizens of the US happen to be of Pakistani descent.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan - purveyors of Islamic terrorists to the world!:

The Terrorist Trial Report Card, 2001-2009

Studying the full eight years of post-9/11 federal terrorism prosecutions, the Center on Law and Security has assembled a massive relational database, a resource that exists nowhere else. Periodically we have reached into the growing data set and pulled out snapshots of the most illuminating trends. This year’s Terrorist Trial Report Card reveals much about the government’s changing legal strategies, the varied biographies of the defendants, and the nature of the threat. ………………………

D. Citizenship of Defendants

The number of nationalities of the defendants associated with terrorism has been similarly broad. At least 47 countries have been represented, although we found no indication of the citizenship of 20% of the defendants through the public record. U.S. citizenship, accounting for almost 35% of the individuals indicted, is the most common.

Most Common Citizenship, by Defendant
(804 individual defendants, only the most common citizenships listed)

United States...................................................273
Colombia...........................................................98
Pakistan...........................................................60
Palestinian Territories..........................................22
Jordan..............................................................18
Iraq..................................................................14
Egypt................................................................13
United Kingdom...................................................12
Sri Lanka...........................................................11
Canada.............................................................11
Philippines.........................................................11
Yemen..............................................................10
Saudi Arabia......................................................10
Other...............................................................84
No indication of citizenship found.........................157

Read it all:

Terrorist Trial Report Card: September 11, 2001-September 11, 2009

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 20 Jan 2010 16:19

^^ Also countries like Canada, UK will include terrorists from Pukistan in large numbers. And the pukes were

after being listed in the countries of interest list 'because 1 nigerian was caught'. Don't forget Paki's in trial/ convicted in UK, Spain etc..very large numbers of piglets being spawned from the land of pure.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Jan 2010 16:20

somnath wrote:. . . interesting one from Shri Robert Gates

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/india ... 11/569640/

I think it's not unreasonable to assume Indian patience would be limited were there to be further attacks, Gates told reporters on a trip to New Delhi."
Goes back to the point on why terror attacks, at least of the high profile jihadi kind, have been on the ebb in the last one year..It is in America's interest to keep India off Pak's back, and it can only be done by preventing another 26/11 type affair...

Robert Gates has made a complicated statement. I hope he wanted to say, "It is reasonable to assume that Indian patience would not be unlimited were there to be further attacks . . ."

It is doubtful if the US has the kind of leverage or is even willing to exercise such a leverage if it has one, to prevent another attack on India. History is not on the side of such an argument. If Pakistan wants to do something, it simply goes ahead and does it. Its recklessness, the condonation or even admiration, at times, it has received from its friends and the long history of non-retaliation that would cause unbearable pain from India have only emboldened it over the decades.

Nevertheless, India has to work on the US to pile up whatever pressure it can on TSP, while not conceding much in return.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Jan 2010 16:46

amit wrote: I'm sorry to have to say this but all this hang wringing and moaning that is taking place here about the alleged insult to the Paki players seems to me to be a sort of convoluted manifestation of the Stockholm Syndrome.

I have a slightly different take on this. Clearly there is a range of opinion on this forum, and one can expect that a range of opinions exist among the vast mass of Indians in India too.

And among the "range of opinions" on this forum are people who feel that Pakistan should not have been humiliated in this particular manner (but perhaps in some other manner), and people who feel that one or more Pakistanis should have been selected to somehow soften the blow.

To you and me and most people on here such opinions may spark incredulity and make us wonder how can anyone think this way - but there you are - the opinions do exist and it is the existence of such opinions among Indians that aid in softening India's stand towards Pukistan.

It is Pakistan's good karma that the country can act the way it does and still have "kindhearted" Indians who are willing to forgive and forget on behalf of those who have lost loved ones to Pakistan action.

Is this Stockholm syndrome? I really don't know. Pakistan seems to invoke sympathy when no sympathy is needed. A complete mystery to me. Maybe the argument is that the cricketers are themselves innocent. But that does not mean that an artificial vacancy should be created in Indian selection processes because Pakistanis will feed bad because they are left out. Surely that is the sentiment being expressed here "These innocent Pakis should have been thrown scraps so that they "do not feel bad". "

Can we really reserve places for Pakis when we don't want them just because they feel bad? Could someone explain why this would be an advantage to India in any way? If we do reserve places for Pakis because they weep, where do we draw the line? Or do we stop drawing lines, and start erasing all borders. Surely, when you clear a place for one Paki you don't want what justification is there for stopping any other Paki whom you don't want. I mean he may "feel bad" no? What will you do then?

Logic fails me here. But we clearly have people worrying about Pakis feeling bad. And a press corps that selectively reports the tears of Pakis for not being selected while failing to report the progress of compensation being paid to terrorism victim's families and the progress of the 26/11 case in Pakistan. maybe the press too imagine that Pakistanis will feel humiliated in the wrong way no?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 20 Jan 2010 16:59

rajpa wrote:.........

see, you dont get it.

firstly ipl should be hurt they were humiliated by the pcb for not sending their players the last time and then should demand the apology. they are well within their humiliation to ask for that. pakis will understand that.

ridiculous is commonplace in tsp.

ipl+bcci could have armtwisted the pcb in a back channel chat using wkk principles possibly using the monkey ayeshas as well. why cant we learn from their tactical brilliance, hain? like i said stonewall them to make them grovel.

okay !

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 20 Jan 2010 17:01

a lot of OT here... possibly all of it.

as indians we tend to think of ourselves as the great humanitarians what with non-violence, freedom etc.. all legitimate ideals. however, in the implementation of this ideal, we forget some of the other natural instincts of self-preservation etc assuming these to be in direct contradiction.

what bemuses me is that being the great humanitarians we are, why did we oppose british rule in the first place? here is a complete lack of stockholm syndrome??? we did that because we felt that we needed self-rule as our self-preservation ideals rose to the top.

post-freedom, there has been a perversion of our lessons learnt from the freedom struggle, where we have taken being a great humanitarian to this endless orgy of love with all of humanity - even at the cost to self - even with terrorist tsp.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 20 Jan 2010 17:03

harbans wrote:List of Paki humiliations

Don't forget one of the longest running humiliations of all times for the pakis: Resorting to eating (and getting used to eating) grass.

arun · Post by **arun** » 20 Jan 2010 17:14

The ISI seems to be back to its old game of intimidating the press with yet another journalist of the Dawn media group at the receiving end.

A short while back retired Pakistan Army Major and Dawn media group journalist Kamran Shafi’s house had been shot at reportedly for his temerity in calling for civilian control of the ISI ( See: Pakistani Journalist Critical of the Military Is Threatened).

This time around the intimidation was done with no shots:

DawnNews reporter’s house attacked

Tuesday, 19 Jan, 2010

ISLAMABAD: Unidentified people attacked the house of a reporter of DawnNews in the early hours of Tuesday and damaged property.

The attackers did not cause any physical harm to Azaz Syed and his family, and left after hurling stones at the house and damaging his car. ……………………..

Mr Syed said there were three attackers, of whom two hurled stones at the house and one stayed in a vehicle.

Later, he contacted the Rescue 15 service, which sent Shahzad Town police to inquire about the incident.

“I have no idea who the attackers were, but suspect that an intelligence agency was behind the incident,” he said. …………………………

A statement issued by DawnNews said unknown people had attacked the house of investigative reporter Azaz Syed. They locked both gates of the house, leaving the terrorised family inside. The windscreen of his car was also smashed.

The attack happened a day after Mr Syed was threatened by Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) sleuths over an investigative report he was preparing about the military.

The DawnNews management said it would take up the matter with President Asif Ali Zardari, Prime Minster Yousuf Raza Gilani, Information Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira, Interior Minister Rehman Malik, Defence Minister Ahmed Mukhtar and ISPR Director-General Maj-Gen Athar Abbas as well as journalist unions and human rights organisations. …………………..

Dawn

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 20 Jan 2010 17:46

we also tend to think that tsp is not really an existential threat to us. tsp is like repeated itchiness in the backside, which some energetic scratching will resolve temporarily. that is what we think and feel. so we dont seriously focus on the problem and leave it incompletely cured. and it comes back.

its high time one started to provide clinical attention to personal hygiene!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Jan 2010 18:01

Elimination of ideological boundaries

The most powerful justification for imposing the ‘ideological boundaries’ is given by the slogan that ‘Pakistan was created for Islam’ or ‘Pakistan ka matlab kia, La Ilaha Illilah’. Before 1970 such slogans were very rare and Ayub Khan’s successful suppression, good or bad, of pro-theocracy forces — Maulana Maududi was sentenced to death and his life was spared due to external appeals — shows that religious forces were not in a challenging position.

It is true that FM Ayub Khan hated these mullahs especially Abu Ala Al Mawdudi. But, a time came when he had to seek their support. When Mawdudi and the entire opposition supported Ms. Fatima Jinnah for Presidency, a rattled FM Ayub Khan turned to conservative ulema to prevent a ‘woman from ruling the country unislamically’. Again, when the need arose in the 1965 war with India, FM Ayub Khan invited Mawdudi to issue a fatwa of jihad against India. Such has been the unabashed use of Islam for selfish interests.

That was the same story with all leaders of Pakistan from Jinnah to Zardari/Gilani, including all military dictators.

He was a westernised liberal person with routines that would be prohibited by Ziaul Haq’s defined ideological boundaries. I am sure the great Quaid would have spent his entire life behind bars if he had continued with his breakfast and evening routines.

See the fear that the theocratic State has already created in the elites ? Dr. Mansur Ejaz is sitting thousands of miles away in Washington and yet finds it difficult to mention that the Great Quaid ate pork and drank whisky and goes about it in a circuitous way.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Jan 2010 18:08

A regional conflict in the making - Edit in DT

That establishment seems to have conveyed its message in no uncertain terms to President Asif Ali Zardari and the PPP-led government that any softness towards India at a time when it is as far away as can be envisaged from playing ball with our peace overtures in the aftermath of Mumbai, would be frowned upon in GHQ and may lead to a breach with the civilian democratic government. Perhaps it is that message the president has taken on board or been persuaded of the logic of when his recent statements on Kashmir and chill in overtures to a recalcitrant India reflect a paring of sails to avoid unnecessarily annoying the military establishment.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 20 Jan 2010 18:13

Zardari seeks to stoke ailing Pak film industry back to life

"We can seek the support of multinational companies and allocate part of the international aid

meant for cultural activities to revive our film industry," Zardari said when delegates told him that the film industry badly needed an advanced and sophisticated film processing laboratory.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Jan 2010 18:16

Pakistan expects 110 Billion $ investments on January 26
In six days, Pakistan will become very rich.

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 20 Jan 2010 18:26

Can't understand why the uber patriots here are so upset and resort to contorting others' messages and proceed to attach all sorts of adjectives to people who have a slightly different opinion on how the situation should have been handled -- barring the Pakis outright as opposed to the manner in which it is done. If it is purely a commercial decision of the franchises, fine, no more argument. If not, GoI and BCCI should have acted earlier. I am least bothered about Pakis' plight; just want better handling on our side.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 20 Jan 2010 18:28

a_bharat wrote: If not, GoI and BCCI should have acted earlier.

GOI always acts late...