Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Jan 2010 07:15

SSridhar wrote:Elimination of ideological boundaries

Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Sipah-e-Sahaba, Tanzim-i-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi (TNSM)

Sridhar can you say which sects the above three names represent?

arun · Post by **arun** » 21 Jan 2010 07:38

ramana wrote:About the JI in TSP fulminating on the Pak cricketeers non-selection in IPL, isn't Cricket haram? What is the hadith on this?

Playing cricket for Pakistan is indeed haraam. A screenshot of the fatwa has been made available by Civitas here:

Screenshot

While not exclusively devoted to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Denis MacEoin’s paper brought out by Civitas may be of interest:

A. Press Release

B. Music, Chess and other Sins

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Jan 2010 07:40

rajpa - 3 pages ago - wrote:pakis are humiliated that they have let down all the great martial mughal, turkish, arabic, mongol islamic rapacious, blood thirsty, soorma lagake warriors who curdled the blood of hindus with great rapacious acts of murder and mayhem and wholesome murderous entertainment by losing to the same in all the wars fought between the two.

pakistanis are humiliated at their impotence in that they are unable to comtemplate rape of any hindu or cut any hindu heads anymore in more such glorious wars.

Very well written indeed.

RamaP · Post by **RamaP** » 21 Jan 2010 07:51

shiv wrote:
vina wrote:Ouch. Very very very Ouch. This must hurt all Paki H&D really bad. After the lashing from Robert Gates, lookie.. A photo in AFP, published in this morning's Al-Hundi . Robert Gates and Anthony shaking hands , right under the famous photo of "Tiger" Niazi surrendering the surrender instrument in Dakha. This sure is an absolutely clear psy-ops statement if there is one.

Yankee and Yindoo shaking haath, right under the greatest moment captured of Paki H&D loss.

Click on link Anthony and Gates under Paki 1971 surrender photo
Not bad at all for psy ops value

Mr. Gates and Mr.Anthony could have very well chosen another location for photo op. The fact that they chose to stage a photo op next to the 71 surrender photo should put the conspiracy theorists in TSP on an overdrive.

amit · Post by **amit** » 21 Jan 2010 07:59

JE Menon wrote:Amit and Rudradev,

Guys you are valued participants, and we need you to keep providing your thoughts on here. So please cease and effing desist.

I agree to desist JEM Saar.

The whole discussion has now degenerated to the level of a tamasha!

And to think that this happened despite the general agreement is that the Foreign Sec gave a good interview to CNN-IBN!

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 21 Jan 2010 08:02

Likewise

arun · Post by **arun** » 21 Jan 2010 08:04

nachiket wrote:Shiv saar, I'm having a hard time calling this a jhapad at all. This was a sound business decision - nothing more , nothing less. There were doubts on whether the paki players would be given visas and all team owners wanted to make sure that whichever player they signed up could actually show up for the match. If the visa doubts were absent, and yet the pakis were shunned, then it would have been a real jhapad.

Pakistan Cricket Board chief Ijaz Butt has confirmed that the cricket players from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan held visa’s:

But the PCB chief said there weren't any visa issues with any of the 11 Pakistani cricketers and they had the clearance to travel to India. "We were given permission to travel to India from our foreign office and the ministry.

All 11 Pakistani players in the IPL auction list had their papers ready and the sports minister in India was very kind to expedite things to ensure they were not troubled. I really don't know what went wrong, but it is hurting. …………………

Clicky

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 21 Jan 2010 08:09

^^ Well if that is the case, then nice jhapad!

Maybe the GOI can learn something.

arun · Post by **arun** » 21 Jan 2010 08:12

The MP’s from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan should now work overtime to ensure that none of their countryfolk ever visit India.

Is not the Ayaz Amir mentioned in the article the former Dawn Journalist?

MPs’ India visit called off

Thursday, 21 Jan, 2010

ISLAMABAD: The government has cancelled a planned parliamentary delegation’s visit to India, National Assembly Speaker Fehmida Mirza told the house on Wednesday.

She gave no reason for the cancellation about which she said she had been informed by the government.

But the announcement came immediately after opposition leader Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan announced the withdrawal of a lawmaker of his PML-N party, Ayaz Amir, from the delegation to protest against what he called humiliation of Pakistani cricketers by their exclusion from the third edition of the Indian Premier League this year.

The opposition leader also said his party would not join any delegation visiting India in the future “until India changes its attitude” and called for a Pakistani ban on any “sports interaction” with India and a “complete ban” on showing Indian films in Pakistan……………….

Dawn

amit · Post by **amit** » 21 Jan 2010 08:30

Rudradev wrote:Likewise

Boss peace.

Let's concentrate our energies on Papistan. BTW I'm loving the heartburn emanating from across the border over IPL

I fully support Abdul Qadir Mian's suggestion that Pakistan should start a rival PPL to destroy IPL forever!

amit · Post by **amit** » 21 Jan 2010 08:35

arun wrote:The MP’s from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan should now work overtime to ensure that none of their countryfolk ever visit India.

Is not the Ayaz Amir mentioned in the article the former Dawn Journalist?

MPs’ India visit called off

Thursday, 21 Jan, 2010

ISLAMABAD: The government has cancelled a planned parliamentary delegation’s visit to India, National Assembly Speaker Fehmida Mirza told the house on Wednesday.

She gave no reason for the cancellation about which she said she had been informed by the government.

But the announcement came immediately after opposition leader Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan announced the withdrawal of a lawmaker of his PML-N party, Ayaz Amir, from the delegation to protest against what he called humiliation of Pakistani cricketers by their exclusion from the third edition of the Indian Premier League this year.

The opposition leader also said his party would not join any delegation visiting India in the future “until India changes its attitude” and called for a Pakistani ban on any “sports interaction” with India and a “complete ban” on showing Indian films in Pakistan……………….

Dawn

Way to go!

The TFTA nation should ensure that all contact with this SDRE nation is cut off.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Jan 2010 08:38

shiv wrote:Sridhar can you say which sects the above three names represent?

LeJ - Sunni Hanafi Deobandi (However, some small group within is takfiri salafist.)

SSP - Sunni Hanafi Wahhabi

TNSM - Sunni Hanafi Wahhabi

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 21 Jan 2010 08:39

The sense of entitlement of Pakistanis is mind boggling. As if they have a right to play in IPL.

Goes to show India is serious. KS had written in September timeframe that India had decided to harden its position wrt to Pakistan and that policy seems to be continuing with foreign secretary clarifying India's position.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Jan 2010 08:41

SSridhar wrote:
shiv wrote:Sridhar can you say which sects the above three names represent?
LeJ - Sunni Hanafi Deobandi (However, some small group within is takfiri salafist.)

SSP - Sunni Hanafi Wahhabi

TNSM - Sunni Hanafi Wahhabi

Thanks but could you specify which one is anti-Shia or anti some other Islamic entity.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 21 Jan 2010 08:42

Jarita wrote:Why is there so much sympathy for Pakistan amongst the female segment of our press?

Not only females. The whole India-Pak peace conference gang has this fever:

http://www.hindu.com/2010/01/21/stories ... 141000.htm

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 21 Jan 2010 08:44

The question posted is a psy ops one. and so is the article posted in response.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 21 Jan 2010 08:53

Team Obama scuttles the term "AfPak"

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... term_afpak

"The Af-Pak terminology is disliked and has received strong criticism across Pakistan," the Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs wrote in a recent report on Pakistan. "The Pakistani intelligentsia is not pleased with a de-hyphenation of the Indo-Pak equation and the hyphenation of the Pak-Afghan calculus. The issue is not only one of national pride; there is a genuine concern among the strategic enclave that the permanence of the threat from India has not eroded. ... There is objectively no interest for Pakistan to be fully involved in what is happening outside its borders, namely in Afghanistan."

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 21 Jan 2010 08:54

amit wrote:
Boss peace.

Peace onlee

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Jan 2010 08:58

csharma wrote:The sense of entitlement of Pakistanis is mind boggling. As if they have a right to play in IPL.

Goes to show India is serious. KS had written in September timeframe that India had decided to harden its position wrt to Pakistan and that policy seems to be continuing with foreign secretary clarifying India's position.

You know - a thought just struck me..

Gosh! Could it really be I wonder??

I mean that before 1947 there were two Brit plans for India (Cabinet Mission plans). One was to have separate electorates for Muslims in India and the other was to have a separate Pakistan split off. The latter plan was rejected outright by the INC - and that led to Jinnah's direct action day starting with a massacre in Kolkata. Eventually Pakistan was formed.

Now I wonder if Pakis imagine that they are living in India with a separate electorate so that they feel they have the right to share and guide everything that happens in India. That would explain their sense of entitlement and their need to comment on all things Indian.

Sets off some interesting piskological sparks in my mind..

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Jan 2010 09:00

shiv wrote:Thanks but could you specify which one is anti-Shia or anti some other Islamic entity.

SSP was expressly created by Zia & KSA as a sectarian anti-Shia outfit. Every other sectarian/terrorist orgnaization has been either an offshoot or has a deep nexus within it. SSP thus earns the sobriquet, "Mother of all Pakistani Sectarian & Terrorist Organizations".

LeJ is also deeply anti-Shia. It killed the Iranian Consul in Lahore in 1994. Later, Shias murdered the LeJ chief Maulana Azam Tariq in 2003. LeJ has killed hundreds of Shiites all over Pakistan. But, it has also been involved in other things, like Daniel Pearl, assassination attempts on Musharraf & Shortcut Aziz, Marriott bombing etc. Qari Mohammed Zafar (not to be confused with Qari Hussain Mehsud, aka Ustad-e-Fidayeen, of TTP who trains suicide bombers), a key member of LeJ co-ordinates closely with Al Qaeda and the Taliban. He carries a $5 Million reward on his head and has been seen along with TTP Amir Hakeemullah Mehsud in Sep. 2009. LeJ is also a part of Ilyas Kashmiri-headed Brigade 313.

TNSM is not known to be primarily anti-Shia, unlike SSP & LeJ.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Jan 2010 09:03

In The end , this Paki entitle himself to give his advise to Indians.
http://www.thefrontierpost.com/News.asp ... ar&nid=957

Journey of wars in the Sub-continent
I.A. Panchota
In the history of Indian civilization, succession of Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Islam and Christianity, besides their enlightenment and lofty moral refinement also brought with them first wave of alienation and disenchantment among various minorities and identities. The Golden or “Classical Age” of Maurya dynasty under Ashoka or Chandergupta’s rule, was perhaps the first watershed in the sub-continent’s history to shape the future events and set the stage for subsequent developments. After their decline, invasion of ‘Alexander the Great’ to conquer this land out of his desire to expand his empire proved yet another turning point in the break-up or disintegration process of his empire through a series of primitive art of fighting for gaining domination, occupy the pieces of lands having better yields, capture animal herds or deny supremacy of one group or the other as part of the human instinct of ‘survival of the fittest’. Likewise, Mahmud of Ghazni’s attack on India was both motivated by his pursuit for propagation of Islam, fix the Hindu rulers/Rajas, who out of their lust for power and luxurious living styles by collecting revenue through their well-established administrative network. At the same time, the fact that stories about the valuables accumulated by these Hindu rulers also lured him to capture their strongholds. But such expeditions proved a serious blow to the Hindu domination.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 21 Jan 2010 09:06

Britain cuts terror fight in Pakistan as pound falls: minister

LONDON: Britain has cut back its counter-terrorism programme in Pakistan due to the fall in the pound's value, a minister has said, drawing criticism a major "terrorist threat" was being neglected.

Programmes in counter-terrorism and radicalisation in Pakistan had been cut as the Foreign Office was hit by losses of 110 million pounds (127 million euros, 180 million dollars), said minister Baroness Kinnock on Wednesday.

"As a result of exchange rate movements, the (Foreign Office) faces a shortfall in 2009-10 of an estimated 110 million pounds," said the Foreign Office minister.

"It is a fact that counter-terrorism and radicalisation projects in Pakistan and elsewhere have been the subject of these cuts that the Foreign Office has been obliged to make," she added.

The disclosure came just hours after Prime Minister Gordon Brown said that the "crucible of terrorism" on the Afghan-Pakistan border remained the "number one security threat to the West."

The main opposition Conservatives hit out at the decision to cut back on the programmes.
"Pakistan has been identified as one of the major sources of the terrorist threat to this country," said foreign affairs spokesman William Hague.

"Cutting (Foreign Office) expenditure on counter-terrorism programmes in Pakistan because of the movement of exchange rates is clearly not the way to run an effective foreign policy."

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Jan 2010 09:09

Here is real meaning of Pakistan ka Matlab kee haaa!! These guys are worst than the worst joke on humanity. They dont even have law for not selling fake medicine. Bet, like in Africa , Chinese are selling fake drugs under Indian name in the Land of Impures.

http://www.thefrontierpost.com/News.asp ... ed&nid=316

Spurious drugs

Interior Minister Rehman Malik must have taken the National Assembly by an alarm when he divulged on Tuesday that 40 to 50 per cent of drugs being manufactured were fake and that there is no law in the country to proceed against the crime which had exposed the people to the dangers of death. Besides quacks or spurious medicines, the issue of preservation and manufacturing of life-saving drugs was also a matter of concern, Malik said and added that the sale of spurious drugs is booming and even the life-saving drugs for children were substandard. Pakistan Muslim League-N’s Shireen Arshad Khan on the private members day and was adopted after a brief debate on sale of spurious drugs, increase in the number of quacks and mushroom growth of bogus medical colleges. She also expressed concern over the presence of untested or unapproved Chinese and Indian remedies in the market. She urged the government to take action against those involved in the import of Indian medicines, which were substandard and expensive. M

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 21 Jan 2010 09:11

shiv wrote:
Now I wonder if Pakis imagine that they are living in India with a separate electorate so that they feel they have the right to share and guide everything that happens in India. That would explain their sense of entitlement and their need to comment on all things Indian.

Sets of some interesting piskological sparks in my mind..

But of course. The RAPE have long appointed themselves the Shadow Cabinet of soon-to-be neo Mughal India. Particularly the Mohajirs who had absolutely no other basis for claiming elite status and lording it over the Sindhis, Seraikis, Pathans, Baluch etc. Their pretensions to elitism have always been based on a "futures market" so to speak.

It goes back to the relentless support they received from the West as a strategic client state since the middle of the last century. Strategic location... martial race... the RAPE soon convinced themselves that they (Pakistan) were the only India that mattered to the world in the postcolonial age. That is how the West employed Pakistan, as the postcolonial rump of the British Indian Empire... so how can we blame them for seeing themselves that way?

At that time the RAPE saw the morass known as "India that is Bharat" as doomed to fail (again under the tutelage of their Western masters)... an unworkable amalgamation of disparate, poverty-stricken kufr peoples that would surely collapse, providing the inevitable segue to a new Mughal order in the subcontinent, which Pakistani Fauj would implement. "Flying Paki flag over the Red Fort" is not a delusion of the Tanzeems alone. It is what the RAPE have always considered their soon-to-be-manifest destiny.

For generations they have seen themselves as *the* ruling class of India-in-waiting. Haven't you in fact referred to this phenomenon in your Pakistan:Failed State e-book?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Jan 2010 09:15

shiv wrote:Now I wonder if Pakis imagine that they are living in India with a separate electorate so that they feel they have the right to share and guide everything that happens in India. That would explain their sense of entitlement and their need to comment on all things Indian.

Shiv, IMO, their sense of 'entitlement' transcends borders. We can understand that. With respect to India, of course they are the legatees of the 1000-year Mughal & pre-Mughal empires that ruled India. With respect to the rest of the world, their logic is that they are the only ideologically founded Islamic state and hence are the legatees of the Caliphate after Ummayad, Abbassid and Ottoman.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 21 Jan 2010 09:22

Weren't the reigning stars of the most popular legit sport in TSP (cricket) also part and parcel of the RAPE class? Porki cricketers were always the more extroverted, outspoken, even (dare-I-say-it) flamboyant and all that compared to their sdre counterparts. And now with half this elite section growing flowing holy beards, has their membership to the RAPE class been revoked or what? Can't help but notice that all the paki cricketers mentioned and hyped in the IPL auction were the clean shaven ones.

In any case, I wholeheartedly welcome the beard phenomenon amongst Paki males. Makes harder their pretensions at flamoyance and liberalism and all that that the RAPES regularly use to spin their tales.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 21 Jan 2010 09:28

Hari Seldon wrote:Weren't the reigning stars of the most popular legit sport in TSP (cricket) also part and parcel of the RAPE class? Porki cricketers were always the more extroverted, outspoken, even (dare-I-say-it) flamboyant and all that compared to their sdre counterparts. And now with half this elite section growing flowing holy beards, has their membership to the RAPE class been revoked or what? Can't help but notice that all the paki cricketers mentioned and hyped in the IPL auction were the clean shaven ones.

In any case, I wholeheartedly welcome the beard phenomenon amongst Paki males. Makes harder their pretensions at flamoyance and liberalism and all that that the RAPES regularly use to spin their tales.

Has anyone seen this?

http://www.fakingnews.com/2010/01/shahi ... -ipl-snub/

Should go on the BENIS thread if not.

Shahid Afridi (one of the Pakis being Pimped for the IPL, and the loudest ro-er dho-er in the aftermath of rejection) already has a beard if I'm not mistaken.

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 21 Jan 2010 09:39

Seems like they are likely to call for direct action over this IPL thing.

Watch Najam Sethi provide a dose of realism in the following video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q9UQJ4shCc

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Jan 2010 09:55

Economic Conspiracy Theory

We were repeatedly told how big investors are coming to Pakistan with their humungous projects. But curiously, no big industrial units were installed in the country. What we witnessed was an obsession with the stock market, property development, introducing new cellular companies and some attempts at establishing call centres. If the country was so obsessed with the cellular companies, why did we not see a boom in the cellular phone sets manufacturing? Likewise, we did not invest in car manufacturing yet banks were roped into leasing out cars. This offer brought an average household under debt and cluttered the roads of the metropolis too. And for someone who claimed to be futuristic and rational in outlook, no mass transit system was introduced in any of the country’s metropolitan centres.

I believe that our economy is showing all signs peculiar to a dying state. And no wonder intellectuals around the world are already discussing my country in the past tense. What happens to the country’s nuclear arsenal is everyone’s concern but what happens to 180 million citizens of this country is no one’s business.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Jan 2010 10:54

Hindu reports:
LINK

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 21 Jan 2010 11:11

^
Sympathy is only going to make bakis even more angry, calling them cunning yindus.

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 21 Jan 2010 11:40

Jayram wrote:Make no mistake this was a malicious act on our part justified or not.

It may appear that way, but I think it is actually bumbling by GoI and BCCI who didn't act in time and our uncritical, hotheaded jingoes are jubilant for the small mercy of yet unknown benefactors (if any).

Somebody was asking (perhaps rhetorically) why it is so difficult for Indians to accept that GoI could be half-competent. My answer for that is "would a half-competent Government have done S-e-S?".

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 21 Jan 2010 11:45

Here is another pompous toady lamenting the absence of Pakis. What I found interesting was that he has memories of the horrors of 1984 Sikh massacres, 2002 Gujarat riots, and justifiable so (they are a blot on India), but he is pretty casual in declaring that memory of 26/11 is fading away. He doesn't seem to care much for the Paki barbarity unleashed on that day. What a pervert and a traitor.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 21 Jan 2010 11:53

abhishek_sharma wrote:
Jarita wrote:Why is there so much sympathy for Pakistan amongst the female segment of our press?
Not only females. The whole India-Pak peace conference gang has this fever:

http://www.hindu.com/2010/01/21/stories ... 141000.htm

I find the presence of Kanwal Sibal in that gang pretty surprising. He used to be a hawk when it came to TSP.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 21 Jan 2010 11:58

a_bharat wrote:
Jayram wrote:Make no mistake this was a malicious act on our part justified or not.
It may appear that way, but I think it is actually bumbling by GoI and BCCI who didn't act in time and our uncritical, hotheaded jingoes are jubilant for the small mercy of yet unknown benefactors (if any).

Somebody was asking (perhaps rhetorically) why it is so difficult for Indians to accept that GoI could be half-competent. My answer for that is "would a half-competent Government have done S-e-S?".

a_bharat,
Your constant endeavor to dig a bigger hole for yourself while trying to defend the initial statement is amusing, but it is now getting literally boring. You end up repeating the same stuff.......

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 21 Jan 2010 12:17

Alright, no more from me on this topic.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 21 Jan 2010 12:34

CRamS wrote:
Jarita wrote:Why is there so much sympathy for Pakistan amongst the female segment of our press?

Not only females. The whole India-Pak peace conference gang has this fever:

http://www.hindu.com/2010/01/21/stories ... 141000.htm
I find the presence of Kanwal Sibal in that gang pretty surprising. He used to be a hawk when it came to TSP.

Truth is, there are many WKKs in the BJP... and in fact, many Hindutvavadis in the Congress. Not all is as it seems at first glance.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Jan 2010 12:36

At the rate that pakistani editorials are dishing out gloom n doom stories, I would recommend that we create a Towels thread to archive these for posterity's sake - Some day we will all look back at the good ol' days when it all began.

animesharma · Post by **animesharma** » 21 Jan 2010 12:42

Here is what should have happened. Before the auction began the owners should have issued a statement with a text along the following lines:

"We, the team owners of the Indian Premier League regret to announce that none of us will be bidding for any Pakistani players at today's auction. We have arrived at this decision with a heavy heart and after detailed consultations amongst ourselves. Our decision has been conveyed to IPL chairman Lalit Modi and we have requested him to convey the same to the 11 players who were up for auction and the PCB. While we are in no doubt about the high calibre of the Pakistani players available, our hand has been forced by matters beyond ours and indeed the players' control. We fear that in the current political environment, the presence of Pakistani players may create unexpected security concerns which are best avoided at this time. We apologise to the players and the Pakistan Cricket Board for the inconvenience caused in getting security clearances from their foreign and interior ministries. We would also like to assure the players that the door is not closed on them for future editions of the IPL and it remains our sincere hope that fans will be able to enjoy their resplendent talent in this tournament's future editions".

archan · Post by **archan** » 21 Jan 2010 12:43

If you make a list and have at least 20 towels, it makes a case for a towel thread. GDF now allows a little more relaxed atmosphere for new thread creation but you need a good amount of towels. If you have them, let me know.