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A foreign service professional with an eye for historical processes, Menon is more in sync with the PM's view that some out-of-the-box thinking was needed to break time-defying logjams. Though Sharm el-Sheikh joint statement has now been abandoned, the ill-fated document reflected PM's desire to move beyond the "obvious". The Baluchistan reference was explained as reflective of India's confidence that it had "nothing to hide".
Oh,oh....another article, another reference to MMS pushing for more SeS like deals with Pak ans SSM being in sync with PM.

IIRC, another SeS style deal is not far off going by the number of trial balloons on this topic being floated in the media.
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MJ on MKN
As they say, it’s a no-brainer. Trust and loyalty rank much higher on Delhi’s power graph than integrity. The working definition of loyalty is discretion. The system works on silence. This holds true for both politician and bureaucrat, although the public image of the former is synonymous with a gabfest and the bureaucrat is increasingly becoming prey to the siren call of the camera. In any case, it is extremely rare when a veteran with a career stretching across five decades achieves an indisputable reputation for discretion and integrity.

M K Narayanan did not set out to win any popularity contest when he joined the Intelligence Bureau in 1961, although his understated sense of humour won him more friends than you might imagine. From virtually the start he occupied a room in the sanctum sanctorum of India’s power pyramid, the South Block on Delhi’s Raisina Hill.
MK’s career coincides, almost exactly, with the maturing of the Indian state through a series of existential crises. Till 1961, the worst problem was communal riots, interspersed with troubles over state formation: difficult, certainly, but hardly formidable. Within a year of joining IB, MK was working with his legendary boss B N Mullick to find out how the Chinese had blown massive holes in our security across the Himalayas. Communists were part of his brief and he sent the topmost leaders to jail because their ideology took precedence over their nationalism. It is ironic that he should now be sent as governor to a state run by Marxists.
Mullick was the first IB chief to write a memoir, so we know that the recovery of the holy relic was an IB triumph. But we have not been told how precisely this happened. MK knows. And he has kept quiet.
Move from 1963 to 1965: The war launched by Pakistan to seize the Kashmir valley was a major challenge to IB. Kashmir, Punjab, Bluestar, Indira Gandhi’s assassination, the conflagration in the Northeast, the Lanka catastrophe, Rajiv Gandhi’s tragic death: MK’s experiences constitute what might be called a covert history of India.
Home Minister P Chidambaram’s discomfort with him is not an explanation. Power equations are not a love affair. A high table always needs different voices, and MK would always add high value to any discourse. In any case, this was a prime minister’s decision, not a home minister’s. Nor do seasoned prime ministers suffer from mercurial likes and dislikes.
The last five years have shown a pattern. While Singh keeps an eye on the wide spectrum of governance, to the extent that is humanly possible, he reserves his core energy for a single policy focus. In his first term this was the nuclear deal. MK was an eminently suitable partner in that enterprise. The second term is clearly going to survive on a separate heartbeat. The PM seems to have put peace with Pakistan at the heart of his new agenda. The nuclear deal will seem a picnic compared to a Pakistan and it requires courage to even attempt it. MK has spent five decades protecting his nation from the intricacies and duplicity of an often-hostile neighbour. Perhaps the PM wants someone with less memory. That is a mistake. Vision without a reality check is an incomplete construct.
The last few sentenes seal the deal as far as my understanding of the recent moves is concerned.

MMS wants to make love with Pak, MKN is the only "hawk" who opposes it without getting Pak to cough up first. So, using the facade of PC, MMS gets rid of MKN and gets someone who is "in sync" with him to post of NSA. Evn MJ feels thats a mistake.

If the crystal ball reading is right, a massive SeS style deal ( sellout in BR words) is in the offing very, very soon. Time to get the R&D ( :(( :(( ) threads up and running since they will be kept very busy in the near future.

Interestingly, Deccan Herald take on the PAF marshall appearing in GoI ad:
The advertisement carrying the image of former PAF chief Tanvir Mahmood was issued by the DAVP, an I&B Ministry wing, and was cleared at the ministry’s “highest level”, government sources said. There were conflicting views on whether Tirath’s staff or a creative agency associated with a media house had created the advertisement.

Interestingly, the advertisement was carried in only one prominent English daily published from here. The daily is currently carrying out a joint “peace campaign” with a newspaper from Pakistan.


All other newspapers in the capital carried a different advertisement to mark the day.
Is there something deeper that only ToI should carry this ad? :-?
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To imagine that one can make peace with someone who is intent on destroying you is neither statesmanship, not vision. It is foolhardiness. And the World has no shortage of enablers and champions of stupidity. The PM should understand, that sometimes, one has to be the guy that people dont like. Sometimes one has to take decisions that cause pain to those who would cause pain to us. And while those decisions will not win him the nobel peace prize, they will bring his people a real and lasting peace.
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Editorial in Hindu:

NSA needs own office
If the appointment of Shiv Shankar Menon as India’s new National Security Adviser is major news, this is as much because of the impressive qualities the new incumbent brings to the job as the manner in which the scope and ambit of the office expanded under M.K. Narayanan. Some of that expansion was not always useful or advisable and has since been reversed. This is particularly true of the handling of counter-terrorism and intelligence at the tactical level, which will now be handled by the Ministry of Home Affairs’ proposed National Centre for Counter Terrorism with a full-time director. But P. Chidamabaram’s reputation as an efficient Home Minister has prompted calls for a further paring down of the NSA’s mandate. The fact that the NSA has multiple functions — diplomatic adviser to the Prime Minister, de facto overseer of the country’s nuclear weapons programme, and catalyst for long-term threat assessment and national security planning — has led some to argue these roles need not be played by a single person. Some have even begun to question the constitutionality of an executive, ‘unaccountable’ NSA in a parliamentary system. The last objection is misplaced because the NSA derives his existence and authority directly from the Prime Minister, to whom he is accountable and who, in turn, is fully accountable to Parliament. But the calls for trifurcation of the NSA’s role also have no merit.

As India’s engagement with the outside world grows steadily more complex, the government’s ability to manage present and future security problems is contingent on an institutional structure that can pull things together in space and time. The NSA’s role is to facilitate spatial coordination between ministries and departments on national security matters and also get the system to anticipate and prepare for the next set of strategic challenges. With so much of modern diplomacy conducted at the summit level, the NSA, as the principal staff officer of the Prime Minister tasked with overseeing India’s national security, is indispensable as an empowered interlocutor with foreign powers. As for the NSA’s role in the Nuclear Command Authority, it is unreasonable and perhaps even dangerous to suggest, as some have done, that a military officer should chair the Executive Council because ‘only the Army’ understands nuclear matters. India’s strategic assets are under civilian control and the NSA helps the Prime Minister exercise that control. It is clear that the national security structure in India needs revamping. The biggest weakness is the lack of an organic link between the NSA and the National Security Council Secretariat. The absence of a well-staffed ‘back office’ has hampered the functioning of the NSA and undermined the prospects for the kind of long-term strategic planning India needs. The NSA urgently needs to be provided with instruments that allow him to exercise his true mandate.
Finally some clear headed thinking.
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More on need for re-org.

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Flawed security planning
Need to change the mindset
by K. Subrahmanyam

A new National Security Adviser (NSA) has been appointed and he is a former Foreign Secretary. The first and the second NSAs were also from the Indian Foreign Service. Since our National Security Council (NSC) has not been set up under an enactment unlike the US body, its functioning style depends largely on the Prime Minister and the NSA, who is its Secretary. Mr Vajpayee had an NSC which had six members, inclucing the Deputy Chairman of the Planning Commission. The other five members were the Prime Minister, the Ministers of Home, Defence, External Affairs and Finance. Except for the Deputy Chairman, Planning Commission, the other five were the members of the Cabinet Committee for Security Affairs (CCS). Mr Vajpayee made his Secretary heading the PM’s Office, Mr Brajesh Mishra, the NSA.

The NSC was intended to guide and formulate long-term planning and policy formulation on issues relating to national security. The NSC hardly met in this role during the NDA’s rule. With a few exceptions, most of the meetings were as CCS members in which the matters relating to defence and national security were handled with the NSA-cum-Secretary to the Prime Minister bringing up current issues for decisions of the CCS. Recently Mr Mishra has expressed the view that the post of the NSA was too powerful and was also not accountable to Parliament and, was, therefore, unsuitable for parliamentary democracy. It was his proximity to Mr Vajpayee and the combination of the two posts of the NSA and the Secretary to Prime Minister that made the post very powerful. His successors did not wield the power he did.

However, it must be said to his credit that he used his credentials to enhance India’s rating as a major actor in the international system with other major powers of the world through his personal diplomatic efforts. While that was an unprecedented achievement for a person not holding formal political office, his tenure as the NSA did not advance the objectives for which the NSC was established. He now favours discontinuing the institution.

Mr Dixit and Mr Narayanan inherited a post which was not the same as the one occupied by Mr Mishra since they could not combine the post of the NSA with that of the Secretary to the PM. The UPA government made the NSC identical in its composition to the CCS. During Mr Mishra’s tenure the functions of coordination of intelligence agencies, including the newly created National Technical Research Organisation (NTRO), chairmanship of the Executive Council of the Nuclear Command Authority, liaison with national security advisers of other major powers, etc, had been added to the responsibilities of the NSA.

The internal security situation posed an additional challenge with an increase in terrorism as well as Left wing extremism. Simultaneously came the US initiative of helping India in its efforts to become a major power which transformed into the Indo-US civilian nuclear cooperation agreement. All these developments kept the NSA extremely busy. Mr Narayanan as the NSA did try to build further on the foundation laid by Mr Mishra. He revived the Joint Intelligence Committee within the NSC secretariat. He increased the number of deputies from one to three, initiated a number of studies and set up policy groups for particular issues.

But the problem of management of Indian national security could not have been fully addressed by an incumbent NSA. Unfortunately in this country, the complexity and magnitude of the problem of management of national security have not been grasped by our political class and establishment. India’s rise to the status of the most populous, democratic, pluralistic, secular, industrialised country as the third largest market and GDP in the world in the next three decades will not be a resistance and obstacle-free process even though in the nuclearised and globalised world today there is no expectation of a war among major powers. Though India’s rise is a unique case in modern history when it will not cause concerns among other major democracies since its growth is as a democratic nation, there are still serious threats and challenges to India. These are religious and leftist extremisms, ethnic secessionism, organised crime and one non-democratic great power which is our neighbour, concerned about our rise and would like to keep us down though India has no ambition to rival China.

The role of the NSC and the NSA is to think and plan ahead to meet the threats and challenges that are likely to arise. This calls for a mechanism to make forward-looking assessments spanning short, medium and long-term developments within the country and in the world outside. Such assessments should be discussed by our political leadership (National Security Council) and appropriate plans to advance our interests and limit damage to them will have to be formulated. Directives should be issued to the ministries to translate the plans into policies and programmes and seek the approval of the NSC. Initiating, monitoring, coordinating and supervising the implementation of this process on behalf of the Prime Minister is the role of the NSA.

Ensuring the emergence of India as the world’s largest, pluralistic and secular democracy, thwarting the various threats and challenges in the next three decades, is a daunting task. If only our politicians had understood the stupendous nature of this task they would have paid more attention to the development and functioning of the NSC. We have major problems to develop and nurture a national security system and endow it to have adequate capability to meet the requirements of the task.

Outsiders have already focused attention on our inadequacies in this respect. These are a lack of an adequate intelligence capability, internal, external and technical with a large proportion of highly trained people. Secondly, the country needs a large number of think-tanks and highly qualified social scientists applying themselves to international studies and national security.

Above all, both our political class and academia have to undergo a basic attitudinal change about intelligence and its role. Till now our politicians and bureaucracy have been acting on a mindset which leads them to feel that intelligence is a report on current and immediately impending happenings and is necessary for them to react to them.

That is the surest way of not being ready to deal with a threat successfully. Intelligence, in reality, is a vital but incomplete input to enable one to assess a future likely threat and, therefore, is continuously needed to be aware of a developing situation and be ready to deal with it in anticipation.

When the Kargil panel suggested that the NSC members should have regular fortnightly intelligence briefings, it was turned down on the ground that the particular agency would bring the relevant intelligence to the notice of the NSC as and when it was necessary. That is the approach of those who can only react and not get ready to act in anticipation to thwart a threat.

Unlike his predecessors, this Prime Minister is familiar with the problem and its solution. He now has an opportunity to initiate a new beginning in the national security management.
The Deputy Chairman of Planning Commission was Jaswant Singh who was not elected to Lok Sabha at that time but whose inputs were needed by ABV. After he became a Minister it was in that role that he served.
So in effect the NSC was the CCS in both cabinets.
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http://www.indianexpress.com/news/guard ... th/571312/

INDIAN EXPRESS, JANUARY 25, 2010

Guarding over growth

K. Subrahmanyam

Do our politicians know that they are involved in the most gigantic and historically unprecedented task? Nurturing India’s growth of 8-10 per cent to transform it into the third-largest market, with a GDP next only to China and US, in the next three decades is such a task. Great powers have risen in the past in history, and in the present situation, we are witnessing the very rapid rise of China.

What is special about India’s rise? In the next three decades, India will be the world’s most populous, pluralistic and secular country that will have risen to these heights as a democracy with full adult franchise — a unique development in history. China’s rise follows the familiar model of earlier great powers — an authoritarian state rising rapidly to the consternation of other existing great powers. Britain, France, Russia, Japan and Germany acquired their great power status before they became democracies. There were major international conflicts following their rise. The US was a democracy when it was born, but not a full-fledged democracy as we understand it today. Thomas Jefferson did not set his slave mistress free. It took nearly 190 years, after the civil rights legislation of the ‘60s, for the US to become a full democracy.

In April 2008, in a global forum held in Delhi, the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) hailed India’s rise as a unique one that does not evoking concern from other major powers. These powers had, in fact, taken the initiative to accommodate India in a modified international nonproliferation regime that allowed India to have its nuclear arsenal outside the framework of the Non-Proliferation Treaty and yet be eligible for civil nuclear cooperation. The difference in the international community’s perception of Chinese and Indian ascendance is striking. While China’s assertion of its intention to rise peacefully does not command much credibility, there are no reservations about India rising peacefully — mainly because India is already an established democracy and there is no past precedent of a democracy being aggressive towards another democracy. This difference in perception is reflected in the offer of all major democracies to sell their sophisticated military equipment to India while only Russia supplies military hardware to China. Even in that case, there is a qualitative difference between the Indo-Russian and Sino-Russian arms supply relationships, in India’s favour. In a nuclearised and globalised world, a war among major powers is hardly likely. Therefore India’s rise can be considered to be under favourable circumstances so far as its relationship with major democracies are concerned, the dominant forces in our world.

Unfortunately there is a flip side to this picture. The threats and challenges to this great Indian experiment of building the largest democratic industrial and modern state come from religious and left extremist terrorism, ethnic sessionism rooted in tribalism, failing states in our neighbourhood, organised crime, narcotics, weapons of mass destruction and the reservations of a non-democratic China on India’s alignment with democracies. China has preferred the harmonisation of the society over democracy as its core value and considers democracy a challenge to the fulfillment of its aspirations. All these threats and challenges have to be countered and managed effectively in the next three decades, if India is to emerge as the unique achievement in the human history. This is the problem of national security that faces the Indian political leadership.

One wonders whether our political class as a whole has an understanding of this national security problem in all its complexity and magnitude. While different aspects and facets of these multiple threats have to be dealt with by different agencies and instrumentalities of different ministries the interaction, interconnectivity and synergising among these challenges ,the short, medium and long term materialisation of these threats and challenges, the overall country-wide plans to deal with them, resource allocation and capability development cannot be handled optimally by individual ministries. The prime minister is responsible for ensuring that India progresses steadily towards the goal it has set for itself and the four ministers — for home, defence, external affairs and finance — form a cohesive team under his leadership to deal with these threats and challenges. This is what the National Security Council and national security management are about.

There is better understanding about the Indian security management problem outside India than within the country. Rand Corporation and the New York police department were drawing lessons from the 26/11 attack quicker than the Indian agencies. A Singapore seminar focuses attention on the inadequacy of the study of the discipline of international studies if India were to play its due role. An American analyst comes out with a study that India lacks the software to play a role as a major actor in the light of inadequate development of think-tanks. Goldman Sachs comes out with its projections of economic futures of nations. The US National Intelligence Council publishes its long-range forecast about Indian growth. The NDA government abolished the Joint Intelligence Committee on setting up the NSC. In the US there are revolving doors between government national security establishments, think-tanks and universities. In India, there is a paucity of qualified personnel to staff even the few posts in the NSC secretariat. Our intelligence agencies are not encouraged to develop capabilities to develop assessments. Mostly they do situation reports. This is mainly because the political class is mostly focussed on the present. Those who do not focus on the future can never be ready to meet developing threats. This has been our history.

Therefore the job of the NSA is not to be in the nuclear command chain, nor to be a super-czar of intelligence or exercise any executive function. His job is to organise and coordinate national security management at the highest level as the principal civilian adviser of the prime minister, in his role as the national security manager and as the secretary of the five member NSC — which should not function as a mere sanctioning body of proposals and schemes submitted by the ministries but as a think tank on national security and as a forward planner. The council should issue directives to the ministries on formulation of policies and specific plans to meet challenges and contingencies. The council will not be able to play such a role unless it is given regular fortnightly intelligence briefings. The nstitutionalisation of intelligence briefing and follow-up discussions will sensitise the five members of NSC to issues of national security and will have a tonic effect on the entire process of intelligence collection, compilation, analysis and assessment. The new NSA should make a new beginning. He should start addressing the problem of national security management and not waste his time on distracting executive responsibilities, which could be looked after by others. His job is a daunting one.

The writer is a senior defence analyst.

Also see K Subrahmanyam’s companion piece in THE TRIBUNE of January 25, 2010 titled, "Flawed security planning: Need to change the mindset" http://www.tribuneindia.com/2010/20100125/edit.htm#4
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One more op-ed. This time from Seema Mustafa!

Make NSA more viable
Make NSA more viable


Seema Mustafa

There are not many tears being shed in the security establishment for former national security advisor M K Narayanan. His peculiar style of functioning, centring more on individuals than institutions, did not endear him to the intelligence agencies with the Research and Analysis Wing in particular bearing the brunt of his terms in office.


Nor were there any queues of welcome in West Bengal with many comrades wondering why chief minister Buddadeb Bhattacharjee did not lodge a formal protest against the government’s decision to send Narayanan as governor of the state. This appointment assumes significance in the light of the forthcoming Assembly elections, and Narayanan has never really been known for his fondness for the communists.

It is no secret that Narayanan, a former Intelligence Bureau chief, is a protégée of the Nehru-Gandhi family. That is a primary reason why he was brought out from a retired life into the Prime Minister’s Office where he went on to become the NSA. It is also the reason why after a particularly undistinguished stint :(( he has been moved ‘upstairs’ to a governor’s post where he can be assured of five years in office.

Narayanan’s turning point came with the 26/11 Mumbai terror attack when it became obvious even to his benefactors what had not been done in the years to beef up the intelligence network into a responsive and coordinated system where the agencies were all cooperating with each other in the sharing, dissemination and analysis of information. Instead the external agency was actually gasping for breath with factionalism, inefficiency and intense politics taking its toll. Despite petitions the then NSA refused to intervene, allowing the rot to seep in to a point where R&AW was left without presence in key countries like China, and a serious shortage of trained persons fluent in language and specific regions.

{Looks like a lot of input/whines form that agency! Arent those lacunae within their functions and responibilites?}


To cut a long story short, popular consensus in the external intelligence wing against Narayanan was ‘he is trying to IB-fy us’ in what was perhaps a telling remark of where his priorities lay. Sharing and coordination of information too was abysmal with little done post-26/11 to close the loopholes and tighten a system that had clearly not worked in India’s hours of crisis.

There is enough in whatever little analysis that has been undertaken by experts to demonstrate that 26/11 happened because Delhi failed to assess the threat situation, despite initial intelligence information of a possible sea-borne strike, and give instructions accordingly. The result was that Mumbai after a few weeks downgraded the security, and the terrorists were able to strike, with disastrous results. Intelligence and security personnel are well aware that the NSA was unable to revitalise and revive the apparatus to become efficient in the analysis and assessment of intelligence information. The Joint Intelligence Committee that has been subjected to differing political perceptions since the time of late Prime Minister Indira Gandhi is in a state of trauma, as remains unsure of its status at any point in time.

The former NSA was particularly fond of the media, never hesitating to give interviews and background briefings to a select few who, he did not hesitate to admit, were favourites. In most of the interviews he appeared more preoccupied with matters of foreign policy such as the nuclear deal with the US, than with national security even though his expertise lay in intelligence and security. He was unable to bring in the coordination that was necessary, and only succeeded in dividing the security structure over which he presided into different units dealing with different issues. In fact as a former colleague of his told this columnist, “he managed to ensure that while housed in the same office many in the national security secretariat were not even talking to each other on a given day.” :?:

It was therefore essential that the role of the NSA, and indeed the need for an NSA with the multiplicity of organisations and the command and control structures that have crept into governance, should have been analysed threadbare. Instead a half-hearted debate was interjected into the media that could not even raise the right questions, let alone provide good answers. Strategic experts were as divided as the politician on what the role of the NSA could be or should be with former NSA Brajesh Mishra complicating matters even further by proposing a ministry of national security.

Even as the debate was livening up the government stopped it short and announced the appointment of former foreign secretary Shiv Shankar Menon as the new national security advisor. Unlike Narayanan, Menon’s area of expertise lies in diplomacy and clearly this will be the main area of intervention. Given the fact that there is a Ministry of External Affairs with three ministers and a foreign secretary, the profile of the NSA’s job needs to be carved out in a manner that ensures he does not interfere with the ministry but acts as a coordinator between ministries and agencies as the job had earlier envisaged. If this is not done he will end up treading on toes and create conflict instead of ushering in coordination.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is keen to have an influential office, and currently given the nature of his Cabinet colleagues he does not have a great deal of say in day-to-day governance. In that finance is now being handled by Pranab Mukherjee who does not like interference with the result that the prime minister and his Man Friday Montek Singh Ahluwalia, no longer have an influential role in the ministry. Chidambaram is clear that he does not need help and has been a loud voice on terrorism, Kashmir and even relations with Pakistan. Foreign policy is one area where the minister is perceived as weak, and Menon is clearly expected to enhance the PMO’s intervention in foreign policy particularly with countries like the US, China, and of course Pakistan.

But if this becomes the brief then the post of NSA will become redundant. It is therefore essential for Menon to give the post the larger profile for which it was intended, and bring in the coordination and the cooperation required to make national security viable in the complete, and not just the military, sense of the term.

About the author:

Seema Mustafa is a commentator on political affairs
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R&AW was left without presence in key countries like China, and a serious shortage of trained persons fluent in language and specific regions.
If RAW had no presence in China, who were the personnel getting caught in Chinese honeytraps? :-?
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I think they mean non-official cover ones. The ones getting caught are on official cover.
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Marut wrote:I think they mean non-official cover ones. The ones getting caught are on official cover.
We only get to know the ones who get caught on OC. NOCs lead far more dangerous lives, and if they are compromised and eliminated, no one will know except their handlers, and the ones who eliminated them. In most cases, they are compromised because their handler fingers them. That, and signal triangulation (in the good old pre-www days) is the major cause of NOC mortality.
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http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-g ... o/571944/0

By C Raja Mohan
Any rewrite of the Indian mantra on Afghanistan must also deal with the fact that its refusal to talk to Pakistan after the outrageous terror attack on Mumbai in November 2008 has severely limited Delhi’s room for manoeuvre in the region.
The longer Delhi takes to get out of its post-Mumbai sulk, the stronger it makes the anti-India forces in Pakistan.
With such high stakes in the Great Game, one wonders why Delhi finds it so hard to inject a measure of flexibility into its Pakistan policy.
I am glad he is not the NSA.
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abhishek_sharma wrote:http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-g ... o/571944/0

By C Raja Mohan
Any rewrite of the Indian mantra on Afghanistan must also deal with the fact that its refusal to talk to Pakistan after the outrageous terror attack on Mumbai in November 2008 has severely limited Delhi’s room for manoeuvre in the region.
The longer Delhi takes to get out of its post-Mumbai sulk, the stronger it makes the anti-India forces in Pakistan.
With such high stakes in the Great Game, one wonders why Delhi finds it so hard to inject a measure of flexibility into its Pakistan policy.
I am glad he is not the NSA.
Not so sure about the current one either.
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^^ True. We need GP.
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The longer Delhi takes to get out of its post-Mumbai sulk, the stronger it makes the anti-India forces in Pakistan
The longer Delhi takes to get out of its post-Mumbai sulk, the stronger it makes the anti-India forces in Pakistan.
Dont understand this stance by MOST of our dilli-billis...
Pak has done diddly-squat after 26/11 and we have to make compromises? What is the fig leaf provided to us ( in terms of action taken by Pak) which will lead to these compromises?

If almost all our "top thinkers" are feeling this way, there has to be a reason. Could any guru please enlighten on this?
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sum wrote:If almost all our "top thinkers" are feeling this way, there has to be a reason. Could any guru please enlighten on this?
Reason could be GUBO. All our "top thinkers" seem to be OK with GUBO now.
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Ultimately after every attack that happened till 26/11 or that is to come in years ahead , we end up with the same argument , people of this country die a horrible death by these terrorist and we feel we may just end making anti-india forces stronger in Pakistan if we do not "normalise" relations.

Why even bother then talk about terrorism in this country sponsored by Pak , let us die which are are perhaps condemned to being a citizen of this country and Dilli can continue talking and making sure they don't end making anti-India forces stronger.
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abhishek_sharma wrote:http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-g ... o/571944/0

By C Raja Mohan
Any rewrite of the Indian mantra on Afghanistan must also deal with the fact that its refusal to talk to Pakistan after the outrageous terror attack on Mumbai in November 2008 has severely limited Delhi’s room for manoeuvre in the region.
The longer Delhi takes to get out of its post-Mumbai sulk, the stronger it makes the anti-India forces in Pakistan.
With such high stakes in the Great Game, one wonders why Delhi finds it so hard to inject a measure of flexibility into its Pakistan policy.
I am glad he is not the NSA.
Anger towards Pakistan & mourning the loss of fellow Indians as a result of one of the worst terror attacks on
our primary financial hub = "post-Mumbai sulk"

I feel like giving this callous imbecile a royal beatdown. :evil:
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merlin wrote:
sum wrote:If almost all our "top thinkers" are feeling this way, there has to be a reason. Could any guru please enlighten on this?
Reason could be GUBO. All our "top thinkers" seem to be OK with GUBO now.
I for one am now certain that even a JDAM/ Nuke attack by Paki proxies will have the exactly same result as the 26/11 response.

The clues are there for all to see: Chidu mentioning about how the world will blame Pak for the next 26/11 ( and nothing more than that). As Ramana-garu says, the deliberate weakening of our land forces ( denial of much wanted attack equipment) also seems to be a part of this "peace process". The reason given for not hoisting the tricolor at Lal Chowk that "it will unnecessarily provoke the seperatists" is the last straw about how much the current GoI will protect India's interests.

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http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-g ... o/571944/0

By C Raja Mohan
Any rewrite of the Indian mantra on Afghanistan must also deal with the fact that its refusal to talk to Pakistan after the outrageous terror attack on Mumbai in November 2008 has severely limited Delhi’s room for manoeuvre in the region.
The longer Delhi takes to get out of its post-Mumbai sulk, the stronger it makes the anti-India forces in Pakistan.
With such high stakes in the Great Game, one wonders why Delhi finds it so hard to inject a measure of flexibility into its Pakistan policy.

He is not a Dilli billi. He is unkil ki billi
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International Relations at the Library of Congress, Washington DC
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I have followed C Raja Mohan's articles in IE for a long time. He is an american lackey, no doubt about that. His articles most of the time are from an american PoV and not from an Indian interests PoV.

Maybe some think that having an Indian say the same thing that americans say will somehow give it more credibility in India, irrespective of whether it is beneficial to India or not??
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^^^ Anyone associated with Henry Kissinger -- shivers! will have a CIA POV
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Offtopic, so apology in advance .

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/nixon/e7/48529.htm

EDIT : Conversation Among President Nixon, the President?s Assistant for National Security Affairs (Kissinger), and the President?s Chief of Staff (Haldeman), Washington, November 5, 1971, 8:15-9:00 a.m.
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Bhaskar wrote:Offtopic, so apology in advance .

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/nixon/e7/48529.htm
Add a short description of what it is. Just posting link is not liked.
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SECURING INDIA - It is time the national security architecture was overhauled - Amitabh Mattoo
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Unfortunately, precisely at this moment of turbulence, India has to deal with a woolly-headed US, with no clear sense of geo-politics. Not surprisingly, a Heritage Foundation scholar recently described Obama’s first year as the ‘Audacity of Hype’, playing on the title of the president’s autobiography, Audacity of Hope. Notwithstanding the extraordinary reception that the Indian prime minister was given by President Obama in Washington, it is clear that the best outcome over the next few years would be to ensure a consolidation of the gains made during the Bush years. But, increasingly, there will be sparring between Indian and American negotiators over issues ranging from trade to climate change to non-proliferation and disarmament. We need a clear strategy to ensure this consolidation and to prevent, for instance, American back-peddling on the nuclear deal from having a wider ripple effect amongst other members of the nuclear suppliers group.

But security is more than just external challenges. In its essence, the objective of national security is to ensure for the country and its citizens freedom from fear. And the challenges on this road to comprehensive security are manifold: internal insurgencies including Naxalism, energy deficit, environmental decay, pandemics, migration and internal displacement, terrorism and particularly the threat of “nuclear” terrorism. These issues are far too important to be left to individual ministries. Indeed, even counter-terrorism cannot be just the domain of only the home ministry or the proposed National Counter-Terrorism Centre. The NSA must, by definition, be the principal assessor of major national security threats and provide the main security briefing to the prime minister and his cabinet team. It is vital, therefore, that the chiefs of the Research and Analysis Wing and the Intelligence Bureau have direct access to the prime minister through the NSA.
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Posting in full for Amtiabh Mattoo was member of first NSAB and did a lot of work in this area.
SECURING INDIA
- It is time the national security architecture was overhauled
Amitabh Mattoo


Rarely before in recent history has India had the unique opportunity to help shape the future of the world. Simultaneously, at few times since Independence have the security and strategic challenges been greater than they are today. The new national security adviser, Shiv Shankar Menon, is faced with a world that is taking India more and more seriously, and yet the Indian State still lacks both the will and the capacity to make use of this extraordinary opening. In addition, the open Indian secular, pluralistic democracy is increasingly vulnerable to a range of threats that could potentially undermine the very idea of India. The NSA, in addition to being the principal security adviser to the prime minister, needs to help India face up to an extraordinarily turbulent world while charting out clear policy goals based on a long-term strategic vision, a grand strategy. This will not and cannot happen until virtually a new security architecture is put in place; radical reform, not piecemeal incrementalism, is indeed the need of the day.

With an unsettled neighbourhood, an increasingly aggressive China and an ambivalent Obama-led United States of America, India’s external strategic environment is defined by uncertainty. Nowhere is this clearer than in India’s neighbourhood. Consider this conundrum. India’s military and economic prowess is greater than ever before, and yet India’s ability to shape and influence the principal countries in South Asia is less than what it was, say, 25 years ago. One successful Sheikh Hasina visit, unfortunately, does not make for a harmonious South Asia. An unstable Nepal with widespread anti-India sentiment, a triumphalist Sri Lanka where Sinhalese chauvinism is showing no signs of accommodating the legitimate aspirations of the Jaffna Tamils, a chaotic Pakistan, which is unwilling to even reassure New Delhi on future terrorist strikes, are only symptomatic of a region that is being pulled in different directions.

Do we not need to have a long-term strategic vision of South Asia? Will India really be taken seriously as a global player if it is unable to settle its own neighbourhood? How do we ensure that our South Asia policy based on five principles — bilateralism, non-reciprocity, non-interference, economic integration and irrelevance of borders — will work without effective instruments and expertise? How do we further the prime minister’s vision of a grand reconciliation with Pakistan, so essential also to heal communal relations within the subcontinent? What are the incentives and sanctions that can make Pakistan’s army and Inter-Services Intelligence directorate review its blinkered policy of bleeding India by affecting a thousand cuts? How does one confront radical jihadi Islam and prevent it from spreading its contagion in India? These are critical questions that the NSA cannot afford to ignore.

China’s recent assertiveness, acknowledged even by the prime minister, Manmohan Singh, is symbolic of not just China’s rise, but it also signals that Beijing will be in the future, at best, our greatest challenge and, at worst, a security nightmare. A rising China is, of course, now a challenge for the entire international system. It is being increasingly recognized that there is a new generation of leaders in China who no longer believe in Deng Xiaoping’s 24-character strategy of hiding their light and keeping their heads low. China, as we know from its history, is prone to take risks, especially when it believes that the balance of power is in its favour. At Copenhagen, as Fareed Zakaria reminded us recently, China even “displayed an unprecedented level of disregard for the United States and other western countries.” :eek: A member of the delegation of the prime minister, Wen Jiabao, wagged a finger at President Barack Obama and shouted at him, which was so offensive that the Chinese premier had to ask the interpreter not to translate the words into English. Do we have a strategy for coping with a hegemonic and potentially belligerent China? Do we have a clear alternative vision of Asian stability and the security architecture needed to support it? And do we have the instruments, together with like-minded Asian States and perhaps the US, to ensure a balance in Asia and to prevent it from being submerged by Chinese interests and values?

Unfortunately, precisely at this moment of turbulence, India has to deal with a woolly-headed US, with no clear sense of geo-politics. Not surprisingly, a Heritage Foundation scholar recently described Obama’s first year as the ‘Audacity of Hype’, playing on the title of the president’s autobiography, Audacity of Hope. Notwithstanding the extraordinary reception that the Indian prime minister was given by President Obama in Washington, it is clear that the best outcome over the next few years would be to ensure a consolidation of the gains made during the Bush years. But, increasingly, there will be sparring between Indian and American negotiators over issues ranging from trade to climate change to non-proliferation and disarmament. We need a clear strategy to ensure this consolidation and to prevent, for instance, American back-peddling on the nuclear deal from having a wider ripple effect amongst other members of the nuclear suppliers group.

But security is more than just external challenges. In its essence, the objective of national security is to ensure for the country and its citizens freedom from fear. And the challenges on this road to comprehensive security are manifold: internal insurgencies including Naxalism, energy deficit, environmental decay, pandemics, migration and internal displacement, terrorism and particularly the threat of “nuclear” terrorism. These issues are far too important to be left to individual ministries. Indeed, even counter-terrorism cannot be just the domain of only the home ministry or the proposed National Counter-Terrorism Centre. The NSA must, by definition, be the principal assessor of major national security threats and provide the main security briefing to the prime minister and his cabinet team. It is vital, therefore, that the chiefs of the Research and Analysis Wing and the Intelligence Bureau have direct access to the prime minister through the NSA.

Fortunately, in Shiv Shankar Menon we have an outstanding officer with tremendous experience and a wealth of expertise. Most important, he enjoys the confidence of Manmohan Singh and shares his vision of India and its role in the neighbourhood and in world affairs. But to be an effective NSA, he will not just need to assert himself in unprecedented ways, but will also need to ensure that the moribund national security structure is revitalized. How often has the national security council met as the NSC and not as the cabinet committee on security? How often does the strategic policy group meet, and what has the follow-up been on its deliberations? Has the NSC secretariat not often been used to accommodate superannuating senior officers or to position those who may have missed out on plum postings? Should the NSCS not be restructured in a way that truly reflects India’s aspirations of playing a global role, by including far more area experts? Is there not a danger that the national security advisory board may descend into becoming an ‘old boys club’ of former diplomats, civil servants and superannuated officers of the armed forces? Should the NSAB not, instead, become a vibrant platform for providing the best advice to the NSA by those outside government on critical issues facing the nation? Finally, and most critically, there should be a dedicated cell within the NSCS which provides long-term assessment of the threats facing the nation, which may build on some of the work already done by the directorate of net assessment in the headquarters of the integrated defence staff and the former task force on long-term threats.

The author is professor, School of International Studies, Jawaharlal Nehru University
Great summary of the challenges that India faces and the rewards. So if there is such widespread knowledge of the challenges what is stopping the GOI form atleast putting the mechanism in place to evaluate the challenges? Why was the NSC secretariat run down to a holding tank for retired officials? Was it just hubris of the past or a delibrate show of lack of progress as a piss process move?
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Can someone shed light on this episode

http://bengalunderattack.blogspot.com/2 ... eason.html

A minister of Indira Gandhi's cabinet betrayed India's "war objectives" to the Central Intelligence Agency in December 1971, causing an abrupt end to the Bangladesh war under vicious US armtwisting.
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A very good article and I am posting in full here as I belive it is an important and rare thought process from men in boots in India.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/inhou ... se/572654/

INDIAN EXPRESS.COM

In-house expertise

Arun Prakash

When Prussian theorist Carl von Clausewitz’s commented that war is a tool for achieving political aims, or “merely the continuation of policy by other means”, he was not trying to define war. By placing state violence in a political context he was, actually, attempting to rationalise an otherwise irrational act. This throws up the question: to effectively plan and conduct war, must a senior military leader also have expertise in politics?

A predictable reaction would be one of horror, since we in India pride ourselves on a strong democratic tradition underpinned by our apolitical armed forces. But this issue has assumed salience in the light of intense and unfair media criticism directed, in recent times, at our military leadership for allegedly speaking out of turn. The military will happily face enemy fire, but is, unfortunately, rendered “hors de combat” before the Parliament, media and the public because of government and self-imposed restraint. But should the political leadership or security establishment not come to its rescue in such morale-sapping situations?

If the armed forces are to remain apolitical (and they must), the government has to provide them a layer of insulation, not just from the rough and tumble of politics, but also from the barbs of some sections of an ill-informed media. The best way to achieve this would be to do what the other democracies in the world have practiced for decades: subsume the armed forces headquarters within the central bastion of the government by making them an integral part of the Ministry of Defence. This is a huge breach in our national security edifice that the new NSA must redress at the earliest.

Reverting to the Clausewitizian tenet mentioned earlier, one assumes that it would be eagerly embraced, both, by Indian statesmen as well as our national security managers, because it clearly upholds and reinforces the principle of civil control over the armed forces. And yet our politicians have historically baulked at issuing guidance and directions to the country’s military leadership for any operation since Independence.

The absence of a strategic culture in India has been under discussion for over a decade now, since the American analyst Tanham published a monograph on the subject. An emergent line of thinking attempts to make a virtue of this critical inadequacy in our culture, society and political leadership. This thought-process seeks to deride grand strategy or the quest for a coherent long-term vision per se on the grounds that unpredictable threats, changing priorities or compulsions of India’s capricious politics would disrupt it, at some stage.

The diagnosis of strategic myopia at the top is substantiated by an account, which says that when the government ordered the unprecedented mobilisation of India’s million strong army, post the Parliament attack, the army chief asked for specific directions. He was allegedly told at the highest quarters: “baad mein batayen ge” (“you will be told later”). A year later the forces were de-mobilised, with the nation no better off, and the chief no wiser! This seemed to consecrate Narasimha Rao’s priceless comment that “not taking a decision is also a decision.”

Our bureaucracy and diplomats are fond of blaming the Indian politician’s limited horizon for their failure to evolve a long-term vision in any area. While the democratic process in our country does demand that a politician devotes sufficient time to micro-issues relating to party, Parliament and constituency, it is for this reason that huge bureaucracies exist to deal with issues such as intelligence, foreign affairs and security.

The post of NSA was created in 1999 to coordinate these inputs and to continuously brief the prime minister, while offering him policy options all along. However, such policy options would emerge only from an ongoing process of strategic analysis, net assessments, and contingency planning, which is underpinned by a long-term strategic vision of India’s future. While the NSA lacks a planning staff, the organisations which specialise exclusively in such activities — the army, naval, air and integrated staffs — are rarely tasked with them, because of the politico-bureaucratic apartheid imposed on the armed forces.

Indians, as they look back at crucial junctures in recent history — Kashmir 1947, NEFA 1962, Tashkent 1966, Shimla 1972 and Pokhran 1974 — are now beginning to experience a nagging sense of disquiet about why and how we blundered at the grand-strategic level. The modus operandi of our adversaries provides further cause for unease.

The Chinese leadership is now within sight of two objectives which they obviously set for themselves at the end of the Civil War in 1949; firstly, to establish military and economic dominance in Asia, brooking no rivals; and secondly, acquiring nuclear weapons capability at the earliest. Having achieved both, the Chinese strategists have turned their gaze seawards.

Gwadar deep sea port in Pakistan and the Hambantota container terminal in south east Sri Lanka are just the early manifestations of an India-specific Chinese grand-strategy which encompasses the creation of a set of footholds in the Indian Ocean region to facilitate its implementation. If the planning and gestation period of these projects is 8-10 years, one can imagine how long ago this strategy was conceptualised.

In the case of Pakistan, its strategic brains-trust is the directorate-general of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). While this agency may evoke fear and revulsion in India, one has to acknowledge the vision and planning skills which have enabled it to produce an unending series of Machiavellian plots and plans to subvert, destabilise and balkanise India.

An operation of the kind launched by the ISI on 26/11 in Mumbai would have required planning, reconnaissance, intelligence-gathering, training and rehearsals over a period of 18 months to 2 years. We need to remember that this attack was only a sub-plot in the much larger grand-strategy of inflicting “a thousand cuts” on India which has been underway for the past decade, and must have been evolved by the ISI 20-25 years ago.

With adversaries like these, the new NSA must use all the cards dealt to him. Continued exclusion of the huge intellectual and planning resources of the armed forces out of the national security decision-making process would be akin to voluntarily donning a pair of blinkers — and refusing to take them off.

The writer, a retired admiral, was chief of Naval staff.
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Two challenges for members:

1) Take all the MKN related articles and create a composite picture of his work as NSA. We will better understand what he did and where there were gaps. I believe there are ten to tweleve articles which allow this.

2) Take all the advice articles for the new NSA and write a summary article on the challenges that India faces. Again there are five six articles already linked here.

Any takers?
Doesnt have to be scholarly but good enough. I will edit them for you.
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Profile of LeT's head of southern India operations, for those who may be interested. Good to note he was picked by Bangladeshi sleuths- hopefully a sign of greater cooperation?

http://news.rediff.com/special/2010/jan ... rorist.htm
T Naseer was a prized catch for the India [ Images ]n security agencies. The man the intelligence agencies claim is Lashkar-e-Tayiba's [ Images ] chief of southern India was picked up from the Bangladesh border a month ago. A dossier on him prepared by the Bengaluru [ Images ] city police provides more information on Naseer.
Name: Thadiyantavida Nazer aka Haji aka Ummer Haji aka Khalid.

Date of Birth: April 23, 1977.

Nationality: Indian.

Educational Qualification: Class 9 pass. Certificate course as an AC mechanic.

Parentage: Father, Abdul Majeed Kambatavida; mother, Khadeeja.

Languages known: Malayalam, Arabic, Hindi, Urdu.

Political affiliation: Member of the Peoples Democratic Party; an active member of the Majlisthul Thabiyathul Muslimeen, the PDP's secret wing.

Visits Abroad: Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh.

Physical description: 5'10", slim built, medium complexion, long face, sharp nose, sharp gaze, a big mole on left leg just below the knee and a mark on the left forehead.

Naseer's confession:

'The terror threat looms larger over northern India when compared to the south. There are 26 very powerful sleeper cells in north India which are awaiting orders from the Lashkar-e-Tayiba in Pakistan. One call from our Lashkar bosses would be sufficient for these cells to activate and carry out strikes. The Lashkar has focused largely on north India.'

'The number of such active cells in south India currently is just three.'

'I escaped to Bangladesh soon after the Bengaluru blasts and took shelter with my co-brother (they are married to sisters) Shafaz in Halishahar in Chittagong. I did this at the behest of my Lashkar bosses in October 2008. It was during this time that I heard from a person by the name Shamshuddin, a Pakistani national and a Lashkar operative, that there are 26 active sleeper cells in north India.'

'During the entire operation of the Bengaluru serial blasts, I never stayed directly in touch with the Lashkar. We used to talk to the bosses through another operative by the name of Sarfaraz Nawaz, who was based in Muscat at that point of time.'

'Nawaz contacted me after the army attack on the Lashkar camp in Kashmir [ Images ], in which five youth from Kerala [ Images ] were killed. Immediately after getting information, I traveled to Mumbai [ Images ]. From there we contacted Nawaz and sought his help to flee the country.'

'He told us to get in touch with a man by the name Zaildeen, an agent who would in turn help us cross the border to Bangladesh. We were told that we should pay him Rs 3,000 for the help he was rendering.'

'We left for Howrah and contacted him. He asked us to reach the Bankapura Gate, which is on the India-Bangladesh border. We reached this place by bus. From here we were taken on a boat, and on reaching Bangladesh, we were handed over to a couple of youth over there.'

'Before the youth could take us, there was some confusion and we were asked several questions. We dropped the name of Zaildeen and then the confusion was cleared. We were then kept in a hut for two days before being taken to Dhaka by bus.'

'At the Dhaka bus stand we met Salim, another Lashkar man, and from there we were taken to the Cox Bazaar area, which is on the coast. During this period we were asked to keep changing our place and we had to change at least 11 hotels during this time.'

'There was major confusion during this time since the 26/11 Mumbai attacks had taken place. The Bangladesh police started to search for Salim, and finally they picked him up and handed him over to the Pakistani government.'

'I was informed that we would not be sent to Pakistan. The Lashkar in Pakistan wanted us both to shift permanently to the Gulf and handle operations from there. I managed to get in touch with Nawaz during this time and he managed to arrange for some money.'

'Another operative by the name Asif got in touch with us and gave us an e-mail id and password to stay in touch with Nawaz, so that the money could be arranged.'

'We stayed in touch and finally the money was transferred. We received Rs 70,000 through a hawala transaction and we were to use this money to reach the Gulf and set up base.'

'We then visited an agent and sought a Gulf visa to go to Dubai [ Images ]. However, before we could complete the task, we were picked up by Bangladesh detectives and handed over to India
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ramana wrote:Two challenges for members:

1) Take all the MKN related articles and create a composite picture of his work as NSA. We will better understand what he did and where there were gaps. I believe there are ten to tweleve articles which allow this.

2) Take all the advice articles for the new NSA and write a summary article on the challenges that India faces. Again there are five six articles already linked here.

Any takers?
Doesnt have to be scholarly but good enough. I will edit them for you.

Ramanaji, any particular deadline? I can take the MKN related task but will need some time due to R2I planning and stuff. Would mid-feb for first draft be fine? Second task is tempting but want to go through 1) before digging into 2).
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Great. Mid Feb is super. Use MLA format.

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/747/01/
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Will do. I just sent a test email. You can delete the email from the above post.
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About cyberwarfare

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... ves_online
Chapter Five of the report focuses on the threats to cyberspace. How should the United States deal with the threat of malicious cyberattacks on its infrastructure? The authors of this chapter draw an analogy to how officials in the public and private sectors coordinate their actions during a public health threat, such as a flu outbreak. There is a no single action that brings flu under control. Success requires a wide variety of actions, including data collection, public service announcements, the targeted distribution of vaccines, and individual self-help, such as voluntary isolation and hand-washing. According to the authors, the same pattern of responses applies to a computer virus attack.

Yet in at least one sense, the analogy breaks down. A bad flu outbreak is a random act of nature. National governments and populations have an incentive to cooperate on containing these outbreaks and generally appear do so. At least it doesn't appear to be the case that countries or non-state actors are engineering flu bugs, deliberately distributing them, or actively disrupting efforts to contain their spread.
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some of this is known..But some of it is just sordid stuff..How do such people climb so high?

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?264027
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somnath wrote:some of this is known..But some of it is just sordid stuff..How do such people climb so high?
This seems to be nepotism of the highest order. Looks like he used every form of groupism (clan-ism, regionalism) etc. to the hilt :(.
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somnath wrote:some of this is known..But some of it is just sordid stuff..How do such people climb so high?

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?264027
Shocking, and very poor indeed, if true. How a man like this was allowed to head Indias premier external intel agency, is amazing. And that he is continuing his bad behaviour unchecked by the govt, despite the stench of corruption, nepotism and incompetence, and inefficiency surrounding him, is something truly amazing. The media should take greater note of it.
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^^^The matter is in fact so bizarre that its difficult to believe that its true..We know that RAW came under MKN's tutelage for most of the last 5-6 years...If anything, MKN was often accused of running a "mallu" cabal in the PMO/security services..How does a "Chaturvedi" fit in that league? More importantly, how (and why) does any PM, NSA (and half a dozen other important ministers) suffer such a fool of a RAW chief? During Chaturvedi's tenure, there was one publication that was carrying out a continuous series of "scoops" on him..But the cans seem to have opened since his retirement..
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Going by the petty comforts the dude was after, one gets the impression that Chaturvedi could have been easily bought off. :(
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