Indian Naval Discussion

[Willy]

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=12288

The picture in diesel submarines is even more dismal. By 2020, all boats built before 1990 would be gone, leaving us with just four. Six Scorpene submarines are on order, two through import and the other four to be built at MDL. The imported ones are sure to come in the next three to five years; the others are a question mark, as all work at MDL is at a stop, awaiting revised price approvals. Allowing that all four come, the force level of diesel submarines will be no more than 10, much fewer than the numbers operational today. As for nuclear submarines, Arihant, launched by the Prime Minister some months ago, should be operational by 2014 or so. In short, do not even think of where the PLAN will be in 2020. Our own Navy will be short of even its present levels.


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HAHAHAHAHAHHOOHOHOHHEHEHEHE

Since when were two scorpene's being built in France for the IN?

[Craig Alpert]

MiG-29K Makes Its Debut In Indian Skies.

[rohitvats]

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MiG-29K Makes Its Debut In Indian Skies.

Any idea which locaition is that?

[Craig Alpert]

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MiG-29K Makes Its Debut In Indian Skies.

Any idea which locaition is that?

the same place where they built a training base for the NAF officers to learn how to operate these jets until we get Vikramaditya

[sum]

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MiG-29K Makes Its Debut In Indian Skies.

Any idea which locaition is that?

Blog author says pic was taken over Russia when being piloted by a Russian pilot. It should not be linked with the story!!

( Given in comments section)

[shyamd]

12-nation naval wargame from February 4

[Singha]

I was looking at specs of the Moskva helicopter cruiser.

200 m x 35m.
half length flight deck ~100m
a hanger fwd of the flight deck but main hanger below with two lifts.
lifts too narrow to accomodate mi8 but designed for ka25.
complement of 15-18 ka25
20 asw missiles
2 x rbu launchers
twin guns
Sa-n-3 launchers
empty 14,000t, full up 18000t.

now cutting to 2015, this is something that could help protect task forces
against the biggest threat (subs) and sanitize large areas with a constant
presence of large ASW helis.

empty - 15000t, full up 22000t
200m x 40m
two large deck edge lifts capable of nh90/sh60 size
15 large nh90/merlin size helis
get rid of the huge pyramid moskva superstructure by pushing it fwd and smaller
CODAG propulsion with no need for funnel (dissipate it aft after mixing with cold
water spray as usual)
32-cell barak1 self-defence SAMs
4 x kashtan-M guns only (two on each side)
the usual twin rbu launchers
novator asw missile (12 vl cells)
1x5" stealth gun.
bow and towed sonar
good DDG std 3D surveillance radar

this cheap would be a lot cheaper than a proper CV but in areas of ocean with low
air threat/reduced threat be able to free up CV for their strike role while protecting
convoys from submarine attacks, doing light duty strike (via heli ASMs), generally
beating the bushes and if supported by a DDG able to organize some AAW screen too.

I say we need 6 of these ships to properly lock down the IOR while our 3 CVs launch
a mass and co-ordinated attack to draw out the enemy or devastate his coasts.


rather than the LCAC/LST capabilities of a Mistral, I vote we need the greater ASW
strike power of a Moskva-mki

[Jamal K. Malik]

Russian N-sub likely to join Indian Navy by June '10

It could be inducted in April or May. But, yes, certainly by June," Navy sources said here today.

[John]

this cheap would be a lot cheaper than a proper CV but in areas of ocean with low
air threat/reduced threat be able to free up CV for their strike role while protecting
convoys from submarine attacks, doing light duty strike (via heli ASMs), generally
beating the bushes and if supported by a DDG able to organize some AAW screen too.

Why not just build a couple LHDs like Mistral with gas turbines (to achieve 25-30 knots) they will be lot cheaper and can also support amphibious operations + provide relief and support during disasters.

[NRao]

Sorry if posted earlier:

TYPHOON TOUR Part 2: The Typhoon For The Indian Navy?

SH, F-35 .................... ??

[putnanja]

Navy to formally induct MiG-29K naval fighter jets

The Navy will formally induct the Russian-made MiG-29K naval fighter jets for deployment on Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier on February 19 in Goa
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The fighter jets that arrived in Goa in a knocked-down condition in a transport plane were re-assembled at INS Hansa, which also has a maintenance and training facility for the aircraft and its pilots.

"At present the Russian technicians and pilots are based in Goa to do the reassembling and training our technicians and pilots to take over maintenance and operations soon," he said.

After induction, the fighter jets would be operated temporarily from the shore-based facility at INS Hansa till the actual delivery of Gorshkov, rechristened as INS Vikramaditya, slated for 2012.
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[Singha]

can also support amphibious operations

waste of precious $$. we have no cause to invade anyone's coast and
nobody is going to invade andamans or laccadives anytime soon.

the "well" occupied LST/LCAC is best used for more ASW helis and aviation
fuel => Moskva_mki

[Nihat]

With all due Respect Sir , how can you say that so much surety. Andaman and Nicobar are of great strategic Threat / Value to the Chinese and in the same way Maldives is to us. The possibility of an assault on TSP ports is also there , if need be.

[Singha]

zimble. get rid of PRC submarines in IOR and they wont dare make a move
south of sanya. all those fat troop transports and segway riding kamandus will be at 40 fathoms once our SSKs sink their teeth in.

solve the problem at the source. if we have to launch a amphib invasion of
our own backyard to recover it, its already far too bad a situation.

a manned dieppe style assault on TSP ports would achieve what? nothing
that is not cheaper and safer to do with airstrikes and missiles from the sea. we sure dont have the resources to land a couple of mechanized divisions on the sindh coast and support and protect them as they hit the musharaff of the sindh front from the rear. and its not under cold start anyway. pakis would go batnuts if a "longest day" type armada hove to at karachi and a line of battlewagons started unloading 15" shells

[Philip]

If and when the PRC threatens/attacks us,it will be on several fronts,well knowing that we lack numbers.Apart from the 3 CVs being built and acquired,we need 3 LHPDs of the capability of the Spanish Juan Carlos class of amphibious vessels being built by Navantia.These are larger than the Mistral,with an extra deck,carry an assortment of troops,tanks and armoured vehicles,helicopters and even JSF STOVL fighters.The vessel will be invaluable for ASW ops too as it is capable of carrying any large ASW helo like the Merlin,NH-90,KA-31 AEW,etc.A modified design (if at all required) should be able to even carry naval LCAs which will not require folding wings for close air support for amphib ops.The versatility of this design is such that Oz has expressed an interest in acquiring at lest two of them.The recent decision of the UK govt. to build both new Queen class large CVs indicates that we need as many flat tops as possible to be able to conduct ops anywhere in the IOR as well as defending our island territories,which if the PRC intrudes militarily into Burma,as it openly plans to establish military bases in Pak,the A&N islands become extremely vulnerable if the PRC squat in Burma.This is very likely as being the only rational way in which they can resolve their "Malacca dilemma".

[tsarkar]

36th shlok of Chapter 10 from Gita is not ""Tejas Tejasvi Namaham" but "Tejas Tejasvin Aham"

And a true translation would be "Radiant's Radiation am I"

Glory/Splendour is an incorrect translation, its the translation of Pratap in Sanskrit.

I am personally not supportive of mythical or quasi religious names like Vikramaditya (no historical proof) or Airavat (pure fantasy). English ships named Rose or Swan after the pierside pubhouses defeated Spanish ships named after saints.

The new OPV's are named Sunaina . . . that sound like Granny's name for grand-daughters. They could have reused the INS Kamorta/Kadmat/Katchal series names.

[Rahul M]

mythical or quasi religious names like Vikramaditya (no historical proof)

ahem. OT but nothing religious or mythical about vikramaditya. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandragupta_II

[tsarkar]

Completely off topic, but just to state my contention -

Ashok’s facts are proven based on his edicts and deciphering them.

The wiki article refers –
1. To a play by Vishakadatta (not considered factual, because playwrights take creative liberties),
2. Old wives tales like Betaal Chalisa and Kathasaritsagara. You want to name an aircraft carrier after a character in Betaal Chalisa?
3. Incorrectly claims Kalidasa’s Raghuvamsham describes Vikramaditya – that is the story of Ram’s ancestor and Ikshvaku dynasty and not Gupta – and co-relates it with Vikramaditya.
4. And a supposedly inscription found at the Kaaba by Purushottam Nagesh Oak, who makes outrageous claims without an iota of scientific fact.

“In 2000 India's Supreme Court dismissed Oak's petition to declare that a Hindu king had built the Taj Mahal and reprimanded him for bringing the action, saying he had a "bee in his bonnet" about the Taj”

Coins are a reliable proof, but don’t contain any mention of his actions that differentiate a mighty ruler from a mediocre one (unlike Ashokan edicts).

Ashokan edicts are present from Kabul to Srilanka and might have made a more worthy choice.

[manoba]

I am personally not supportive of mythical or quasi religious names like Vikramaditya (no historical proof) or Airavat (pure fantasy). English ships named Rose or Swan after the pierside pubhouses defeated Spanish ships named after saints.

Pure OT:

Typical Indian mentality. Always looking towards the "place where sun sets" and aping every thing that is firangi and expecting and accepting the "history and historical proof" written by them.

For heaven's sake those epics and purans are the best of the best imagination (or real history?) ever created by any humans walked the surface of this planet. Those are glory of Bharat.

[tsarkar]

Ships names are important, because they influence the psyche of those who sail and work on them. Sailors psychologically associate and identify themselves with the name. If the personnel fail to create a psychological association, or don’t feel that oneness with that ship, then performance is affected.

A name like Godavari, Brahmaputra or Ganga represents power of a raging river against those which stand against its path, and the gentle sustenance provided to those sheltered by it (farmers, fishermen, and by the same analogy, crew). Same for mountains like Himgiri or Taragiri. The Shivalik is a part of the natural defenses in the North, while the Sahayadri mountains provided a natural defense and homeland to Shivaji.

Places carry connotations – Delhi represents the capital of India. Mysore was independent from pre-Vijaynagar days till Independence. Mumbai represents a go-getter attitude, nearby Alibag was the birthplace of Kanhoji Angre. Kochi was a seafaring hub since Roman times.

Kolkata represents its many citizens who played a major role in the freedom struggle. It also cherishes the legacy of HMIS Bengal. More details here, though the Dutch are blowing their own trumpet http://netherlandsnavy.nl/battle_ondina.html

Abstracts like Ranjit – battle winner – infuse an adrenalin rush – and Rana brings forth memories of men who cherished values over everything else.

Creatures like Magar represent amphibious prowess. Ghorpad helped Tanaji Malsure capture Singhgad.

Now how do I associate myself with Airavat? It was Indra’s mount, but what HUMANLY/ORGANIC/NON-DIVINE feat did it perform, that I as a MORTAL can seek inspiration from and emulate? I can take inspiration from a Ghorpad but not Airavat.

The biggest drawback of religious motifs is that crew gets a psychological misconceived notion that God in on their side. This results in misdirected efforts and unintended consequences.

The English ships named after pierside pubs reminded English sailors that they were fighting for home and hearth and made them ferocious while Spanish sailors expected cannon balls to be deflected by their saint’s statues all over the ship.

Vikrant is a conjoint of Vikram and Ant, meaning valour beyond end, ie, exhibiting valour beyond human endurance. Imagine a fighting crew being inspired by the ethos of exhibiting valour beyond human endurance.

Vikram means Valour and Aditya means Sun. Relatively OK if used in that sense, however associating it with a couple of kings about whom nothing much is known, other than stories of one whose wife was traded while she was his brother’s wife or the other who carried a copse on his back, isn’t pretty inspiring.

Devesh - different Vikramaditya’s. Vikram Samvat originated in 56 BC while Chandragupta II Vikramaditya ruled 380 – 413 CE. The Vikram of Vikram Samvat did fight the Sakas, who while of Central Asian origin, were fully indigenized at that point and assimilated into the Indian ethos. Not enough to name a flagship after. Plus his dad did some terribly naughty things as per your wiki link.

[tsarkar]

Manoba,

I would rather BUILD and RELY on my ABILTIES and EFFORTS rather than derive false comfort from “those epics and purans are the best of the best imagination (or real history?) ever created by any humans walked the surface of this planet. Those are glory of Bharat.” Basking in their glory ISNT going to lead India anywhere.

Human history has been shaped throughout by human effort, rather than divine dollops. 99% perspiration 1% inspiration, as Edison said.

Show me evidence of ONE battle throughout history that was won by reciting epics rather than effort of combatants involved.

As per the Gita, that I have read, so as to speak with authority, does describe Karma Yog, i.e., attaining divinity through effort and hard work.

Lastly, an incident from Swami Vivekanand, who lived closer to our times. He observed a couple of young boys chanting the Gita. He immediately scolded the boys and asked them to play football, saying that the Nation and God would be better served if the boys developed their physical stamina rather than needless religiosity.

I now realize the significance of this minor incident, given the horrendous consequences of what Talibanization has done.

ANyways, all of this has nothing to do with LCA, so lets end it here, or discuss offline.

[Rahul M]

Completely off topic, but just to state my contention -

Ashok’s facts are proven based on his edicts and deciphering them.

The wiki article refers –
1. To a play by Vishakadatta (not considered factual, because playwrights take creative liberties),
2. Old wives tales like Betaal Chalisa and Kathasaritsagara. You want to name an aircraft carrier after a character in Betaal Chalisa?
3. Incorrectly claims Kalidasa’s Raghuvamsham describes Vikramaditya – that is the story of Ram’s ancestor and Ikshvaku dynasty and not Gupta – and co-relates it with Vikramaditya.
4. And a supposedly inscription found at the Kaaba by Purushottam Nagesh Oak, who makes outrageous claims without an iota of scientific fact.

“In 2000 India's Supreme Court dismissed Oak's petition to declare that a Hindu king had built the Taj Mahal and reprimanded him for bringing the action, saying he had a "bee in his bonnet" about the Taj”

Coins are a reliable proof, but don’t contain any mention of his actions that differentiate a mighty ruler from a mediocre one (unlike Ashokan edicts).

Ashokan edicts are present from Kabul to Srilanka and might have made a more worthy choice.

I find it extremely surprising that you are not aware of the fact that Chandragupta II, of the gupta dynasty adopted the name vikramaditya and is widely acknowledged as one of the foremost military leaders of ancient India, along with his father Samudragupta and Chandragupta Maurya. you don't have to believe wikipedia, but a copy of RC Majumdar's 'Ancient India' should be easily available. or is it that RC Majumdar is these days considered at par with pn oak ?
in fact, both him and his illustrous father adopted the name vikramaditya in remembrance of the 'legendary' (or is it mythological now ? ) earlier Vikramaditya.
although it seems extremely unlikely that two such powerful emperors adopted the names of a fictitous king with extraordinary qualities (they were after all in a much better position to know the truth than we are) historically, Vikramaditya is invariably associated with Chandragupta Vikramaditya and is undoubtedly fit to be the name of an IN warship.
snide comments can perhaps be much more easily associated with the names already chosen ?
kolkata (what's so inspiring about a city of strikes and hartals), mumbai (or of raj thackrey), delhi (a place of rude cutthroat people ?) himgiri (sounds odd to associate immovable mountains with battleships unless they are meant to be dock queens) after pubs (going to war or going to have a drink ?)
see, it's easy to make unreasonable snide remarks, much difficult to get rid of petty biases and be aware of the historical facts.

p.s. @ fellow mods I'll move these OT posts to mil misc thread in a few hours. please bear with me.

[Jagan]

Chandragupta II, of the gupta dynasty adopted the name vikramaditya and is widely acknowledged as one of the foremost military leaders of ancient India, along with his father Samudragupta and Chandragupta Maurya

Rahul,

naming something Vikramditya to honour Chandragupta Maurya doesnt really sound right. So the assumption is that the name Vikramditya was picked to honour the "original" Vikramditya - that may have inspired Chandragupta.

Anyways for Emperor names - I will consider Air India the gold standard - if they used the name Vikramaditya for their emperor series (Which they did) then its good enough for me. (history books not withstanding).

However I understand Tsarkars viewpoint as well, he is saying, dont get carried away with 'indic' jingoism while deciding on ship names. leave them simple and that would work just as well.

Vikram means Valour and Aditya means Sun. Relatively OK if used in that sense, however associating it with a couple of kings about whom nothing much is known

Is there an official rationale from the Navy on why they picked Vikramditya? That would put to rest all the speculation.

[D Roy]

Gentlemen,

please stop mixing the gupta and maurya dynasties.

chandragupta maurya has nothing to do with Chandragupta Vikramaditya of the gupta dynasty who got his name because of his exploits some of which are fable but others have some truth in them.

there are inscriptions that also attest to Vikramaditya's glory. and the contents of those are of course disputed. but his existence is not.

Needless to say I do not agree with Tsarkar on his take on Vikramaditya ( i.e of no historic proof). And must also say that even "leftist" historians are rather clear about his existence.

And Samudragupta was probably the greatest king who ruled India even though ashoka ruled over the greatest territory.

And finally, to stretch a point - Ganga happens to be a celestial name from the "Hindu" mythological pantheon and is the river which bears this name is holy.

[tsarkar]

Rahul, I do have a copy of R C Majumdar, and the discussion made me open the book much before you referred to it. Page 233, 234, 235 and 236.

Unlike kings who fought invaders or oppressive regimes, Samudragupta expanded his regime by subduing internal petty kingdoms. Chandragupta II Vikramaditya simply consolidated his father’s gains.

There are claims of his conquering Balkh, but without any sign or proof, and even R C Majumdar doubts whether his suzerainty ran, including and beyond Punjab (page 235). He adds a disclaimer “IF Vahlika represents Balkh”. And concludes (page 235) “As a matter of fact, we have no further evidence that these territories were associated with the Gupta Empire after Chandragupta II”.

There is no cultural/architectural/numismatic/literary influence of the Gupta empire on these parts, unlike the earlier Kushan.

Fa Hien does record that Chandragupta II was a good administrator, but there is no record of his battles nor the expanse of his kingdom as claimed.

I have no intent on disrespecting, but find nothing exceptional - other than the expanse - at the expense - of other locals.

Regards the original Vikramaditya (Page 236) – “Convincing proof, are, however, lacking on this point, and the origin of the Vikram Samvat and King Vikramaditya must still be reckoned among the unsolved problems of Indian History.”

I do stand by my points made earlier, that a ship’s ethos needs to be sound rather than unverified glory.

Added later - Jagan puts its rightly and with the right words, excessive indic jingoism, mythology and religiousity doesnt add much value. And I find Airavat more disconcerting than Vikramaditya. Use them for hotels and airlines, but spare the services. And to stop irritating others, lets get back to the LCA.

[Jagan]

I moved the posts to the Naval Thread.

I will not argue about mythological names like Airavat, but I would like to see how many names are actually after famous people/kings/characters? the percentage seems low.

INS Bhim is definitely one but it was for a target tug - not an air craft carrier?
INS Varuna - but its a tall ship, not a war ship .

Other people names that may or may not have been based on mythology include

INS Sukanya
INS Subhadra
INS Suvarna
INS Savitiri
INS Sarayu
INS Sharada
INS Sujata

My mythology is weak, but are these women names based more on qualities or on cultural/religious/mythologcal sources?

Abhay, Ajay, Aditya etc can be argued as names based on qualities - and are quite common outside mythology.

Overall, ships named after a particular character / individual / famous personality seems to be a minisculine minority

But there do seem to be a helluva lot of rivers, cities , islands, knives and mountain ranges in our ship names.

[D Roy]

Anyway I do not want to get further into this. and this is my last post on the matter.

Suffice it to say, RC is not the final word on the Gupta period or the so called dark age ( scythian / saka era that came before it) even though I do respect him. Nevertheless tsarkar please read a bit more of the very book you are holding and you will find that you have made some generalisations.

Samudragupta was far more than an internal conqueror. He kept the Hunas ( whether they were related to the european huns or not is a separate debate, but they were as bad) otherwise known as Hepthalites at bay. He also smashed the Kachanagas, who were troublesome and talking about "internal kingdoms" by doing an anachronistic analysis of an India based on today's national unity is is not right.

Some western historians have called Samudragupta- the napoleon of india. it should really be the other way round, really.


And Vikramaditya was very much Saka Ari as well. Because Saka and Scythian can be pretty nebulous terms.

And yes I know the story of Vikram Smavat as well , thank you very much.

[tsarkar]

Bhim – non-mythological and common interpretation is strength. Apt name for a tug that will spend its life pulling. Similarly Pakistani tugs are named Bholu and Gama (after Gama Pehalwans of the days of old). Bholu is a Hindu/Indic name, but they use it to continue the legacy.

Varun – Sea God, more mythic than religious (isn’t a mainstream god, anyways). Apt name for a sailing ship that teaches old qualities, but is legacy technology.

Sukanya, Subhadra, Suvarna, Savitiri, Sarayu, Sharada and Sujata are NOT named after qualities or on cultural/religious/mythological sources  but after Indian names of stars and celestial constellations. Savitri is the Indian name of the morning star (Venus). Again, more than apt, because sailors use stars and constellations to navigate. Nautical yet Indic! Check out their crests, and you’ll find the exact stars inscribed.

Tanker named Aditya. The sun radiates energy and the tanker too, provides energy. More functional than mythological or religious.

You missed islands – Bangaram, Trinkat, Chetlat, Kamorta, Anjadip . . . lots of islands reminding everyone that these islands too are a part of the Indian nation.

[D Roy]

Ahem,

Savitri is the name of Brahma's ( of trinity fame) first wife and it is because of her curse that Brahma is not worshipped anymore. ( he did bigamy by marrying Gayatri).

what you recite as the gayatri mantra is actually the savitri mantra. the gayatri mantra is much more involved.

Bhim symbolizes strength because of what we have heard about the character from the mahabharat. by calling the name non-mythological you are saying the mahabharata is non -mythological as well.

if in your scheme of things naming a ship Bheem is okay then naming the ship Ram should be okay too or girdhar-murari for that matter.

I am sorry if this is an attempt to segregate what is "hindu" from what is "indic" i.e cultural and therefore more acceptable than it is failing miserably.

The Pakis have put indus valley on the tails of their IL-76s . Very cultural. very.

[Jagan]

Sukanya, Subhadra, Suvarna, Savitiri, Sarayu, Sharada and Sujata are NOT named after qualities or on cultural/religious/mythological sources  but after Indian names of stars and celestial constellations. Savitri is the Indian name of the morning star (Venus). Again, more than apt, because sailors use stars and constellations to navigate. Nautical yet Indic! Check out their crests, and you’ll find the exact stars inscribed.

Savitri is the name of Brahma's ( of trinity fame) first wife and it is because of her curse that Brahma is not worshipped anymore. ( he did bigamy by marrying Gayatri)..

Except TSarkar is right on the Sukanya (and possibly the other sister ships) being star constellations. INS Sukanya http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Imag ... -Crest.jpg is constellation of stars. Dont know about the others but I will take his word for it.

For Bhim, I have to disagree with tsarkar. while the connotation maybe for strength (and its connection with the target tug), its origin from Bheema of Mahabharata cannot be disputed

Overall - Names after mythological (Varuna, Bhima) or historical figures (Kings, Emperors) or religious dieties (Brahma Vishnu Maheswara - add Jesus allah as well) among ships are a rarity. infact unheard for larger warships. Vikramaditya might be bucking this trend / tradition.

[karan_mc]

if i a m not wrong Mig-29k will be near INS HANSA and they are not that buildings near Ins Hansa base , coming to another news

Boeing to integrate aft radar for India’s P-8I

Radar has coverage of 240° and Navy need a 360° Radar so how will they Cover the 120° ? with Tail and Wings based Senors or Radars ?

[Nikhil T]

BrahMos to be test fired in Russia from Talwar warships

[chetak]

Boeing to integrate aft radar for India’s P-8I

Radar has coverage of 240° and Navy need a 360° Radar so how will they Cover the 120° ? with Tail and Wings based Senors or Radars ?

The australian Orion has one radar but two antennae mounted fore and aft to cover 360 degrees.

The two antennae sweeps are electronically integrated to give the operator a clear uninterrupted 360 view.

Maybe they will also find a similar solution?

[karan_mc]

even i thought of they may go same way ,i am little confused regarding Air to Air mode in P8 made by IN , what thats for ? air to air combat ? or for air surveillance ?

[nrshah]

Guys,

Please stop discussing on names of IN ships, rather we can concentrate on the capabilities and lethality. i thing that will be more important for the crew rather than knowing name and its history....

Remember Shakespeare, what is in the name?

A rose will be rose even if called otherwise....

Let us concentrate on rose rather than its Etymology..

[chetak]

even i thought of they may go same way ,i am little confused regarding Air to Air mode in P8 made by IN , what thats for ? air to air combat ? or for air surveillance ?

Air surveillance.

The Israeli radars used on IN aircraft also have this mode.

[karan_mc]

u mean 2032 in SHARs ? they are meant to be ? for Dog fight ?, so Us navy will not have P8 with AIR 2 Air mode ?

[chetak]

u mean 2032 in SHARs ? they are meant to be ? for Dog fight ?, so Us navy will not have P8 with AIR 2 Air mode ?

I meant with the airborne Maritime Radars on the IN patrol aircraft.

It has an air to air mode to detect and track many air targets.

The Harrier radar is primarily a fighter radar which may or may not have other modes. It takes a different software for the other modes but the Israelis have long mastered all this mundane (for them!) stuff.

The US will certainly have air to air mode. Such a mode is inescapable today. The hostile naval environment has drones, fixed and rotary wing aircraft threats which are actively seeking to target you. You need to be able to pick them out at all heights as well as all speeds, reasonably speaking.

The radars we get from the US may well be a defanged or "export" version. Performing adequately but maybe not optimally.

[Philip]

An intriguing development,unmanned sub-hunters from DARPA.The concept is ideal for the IN too in monitoring and sanitising our island territories,choke points and approaches to key harbours,naval bases,etc.The US already uses UUVs for a variety of purposes.

http://www.popsci.com/technology/articl ... pas-vision

[parshuram]

From ARM TASS

India will acquire from Russia another batch of 29 deck fighters MiG-29K in the amount of , $1.2 billion

New Delhi, 2 February. (ITAR-TASS). India will acquire from Russia another batch of 29 deck fighters MiG-29K in the amount of 1.2 billion US dollars. Reported in reference to the statement of the Navy newspaper \ "\ Hindustan Times". Naval forces India in this month formally adopt a first batch MIG-29K. The official ceremony on this occasion will be held on 19 February in the western State Goa at the AIRBASE .

16 fighters MiG-29K are intended for home at against \ "викрамадитья \" (former \ "ADMIRAL Gorshkov \"), which is now undergoing modernization in the enterprise \ "Sevmash \" in Severodvinsk, and, as planned, will go down in the Indian Navy in 2012-2013 s. to the deck fighters will be temporarily deployed at the base Hans. of them have formed Manipulator Flight squadron, known as \ "Black Panthers \". The party MIG-29K was acquired by India under signed in March 2004.

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