Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 05 Feb 2010 02:17

Kashmir jihad back in open

http://www.hindustantimes.com/rssfeed/p ... 05417.aspx

Even as India offered to resume dialogue with Pakistan, a meeting of radical and militant groups organised by the Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) on Thursday vowed to press holy war for “independence” of Kashmir.

They also called for moral support from Pakistan.

A declaration unanimously adopted at Kashmir Solidarity conference organised by the JuD in PoK capital Muzaffarabad said the region’s status as a “base camp” for militant groups should be restored and the ban on Kashmiri jehadi groups should be lifted.

The radical groups also pledged to foil any effort aimed at forging a “friendship treaty and trade with India”.

The meet was addressed by Hizbul Mujahideen chief Syed Salahuddin, Al-Badr leader Bakht Zamin, United Jehad Council general secretary Sheikh Jamilur Rehman, senior JuD leaders Abdul Aziz Alvi and Abdur Rehman Makki and former Inter-Services Intelligence agency chief Hamid Gul, JuD spokesman Yahya Mujahid said.

negi · Post by **negi** » 05 Feb 2010 02:27

Other day idiots from print media were yapping on CNN IBN that talks neccessarily might not be about J&K,Terrorism or WATEr but increasing people to people contact and trade

(as if TSP is the world leader in the segment) .

Here we have Chooha Qureshi squeaking about 'all encompassing' talks including J&K and WATER but of course India cannot include terrorism.

link: http://tinyurl.com/y9bqyqv

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 05 Feb 2010 02:43

The Geo TV chief gave his usual 2 min standard "I am a Pakistani hence must talk of root causes of terrorism" and then said only one thing -- l

Well for the Kufr, then the root cause of terrorism is the concept of Jihad in Islam. Jihad against the less pious, Jihad against the Kuffr.

The green flagged nation with a crescent moon symbol is unislamic, compared to the black flagged and turbaned Taliban. The correct color of an Islamic flag is BLACK. The Mehdi is supposed to lead his armies flying a BLACK flag. Mohammed when he led his band on Ghazwas carried a BLACK flag.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 05 Feb 2010 03:08

sanjaykumar wrote
Zib in Arabic means honoured member.

Not sure whether this was meant in jest. However - "zob" in Arabic indeed means what stands for "mijjile" on this forum. There are quite a few refs in cutting it off from dead enemies in the older texts.

As for the business angle - anything that generates income in Pakistan is definitely going to generate tax money, "cut/percentage" money, "donation/charity" money in Pakistan for sponsoring and kitting out TSPA and the terror networks. Instead of biz coop a virtual economic blockade and subversion of as much of its economy as possible - is the better alternative.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 05 Feb 2010 03:11

The POK conference under auspices of pak govt and therefore auspices of unkil basically says that Jihadis operating within India are good Talibans. Open justification. This is the bone unkil & others has given the jihadis to chew on so that their zones are free.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 05 Feb 2010 03:13

PM casts peace dice again

New Delhi, Feb. 4: In a swift move tailed on Shiv Shankar Menon’s appointment as national security adviser (NSA), Prime Minister Manmohan Singh reactivated the controversial Sharm el-Sheikh resolve today and pushed afresh for dialogue with Pakistan even in the absence of “concrete and demonstrable” action against terror outfits.
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A significant aspect of today’s official announcement was that it was not attributable even to unnamed sources in the MEA, the nodal agency for foreign policy pronouncements. “The initiative has come from the very top,” a senior MEA official told The Telegraph. “This is the Sharm el-Sheikh team at work, and it is very clear that they, rather than the MEA, will set the agenda and atmospherics for the dialogue. We will be the instruments.”
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But government sources confirmed that the decision itself was entirely formulated by the PMO.
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The replacement of M.K. Narayanan by Menon as NSA last fortnight hugely strengthened the stymied peaceniks in the PMO, and the will of the Prime Minister himself to extend a hand despite Islamabad’s failure to deliver on promises.
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Former diplomat and commentator G. Parthasarathy sounder a harsher note. “I have no quarrel with talks,” he said, “but what is the government’s great hurry to open dialogue? It will only help Pakistan turn the attention to bilateral issues other than terror, because they will do nothing about it. And the timing is particularly idiotic because it amounts to prejudging Chidambaram’s forthcoming visit. It seems to me the government is not serious about tackling terror.”

But Salman Haider, a former foreign secretary, unreservedly backed the decision saying: “I have no sympathy for those who seek to thwart dialogue, we should look for ways of talking rather than find reasons not to talk. There was a time when conditions were poor and public opinion was stirred but positive developments have taken place and it suggests our larger status as a nation that we have taken the lead in going for talks.”

Haider said he was recently in Pakistan and sensed a “deep and genuine will that our two countries should begin to re-engage”.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Feb 2010 03:15

putnanja wrote:

Haider said he was recently in Pakistan and sensed a “deep and genuine will that our two countries should begin to re-engage”.

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Nobody will disclose that it is due to pressure on the Pak western border

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 05 Feb 2010 03:15

Razzaq U-turn finger at SRK

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“He (Shah Rukh) is crying for the Pakistanis from the rooftops now. Then why did he not pick up Razzaq despite giving him a letter to the effect?” the senior Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) and Indian Premier League official said. He said the Kolkata Knight Riders had sent the letter to Razzaq in November.

“The purpose was to book Razzaq somehow before others got to him. By the time the visa came, the franchisees had been intimated by some IPL officials about the problems of taking in Pakistanis,” the official said.

“Then KKR suddenly changed its mind, insisted that Razzaq get on the auction list and promised they would try to pick him up. They did not do that; so why is SRK now saying that Pakistani players should not have been treated that way? He did not pick them up when he could have.”
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ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Feb 2010 03:23

Maybe SRK wants to have it both ways? Nix the Paki player and yet claim to be sympathetic to his inclusion?

That Telegraph article "PM rolls dice" shows the confusion and hectic events surrounding the talks. It looks like some major force is moving the talks agenda and hence the whirlwind response. Ideally it should be the MEA that announces the talks. Yet he is in a plane and they cant wait for him to land. No mention of the urgency and every one is in everyone else's turf.

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 05 Feb 2010 03:24

i pray for a game changer to set the records straight and if my calculations are correct should happen before august

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 05 Feb 2010 03:53

War against India inevitable if Kashmir dispute not solved soon: Speakers

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... n-Speakers

LAHORE û The long-standing Kashmir dispute should be resolved at the earliest otherwise the war against India would be inevitable. India has practically conducted atomic bombing against Pakistan by building numerous dams in Kashmir. The reduced Pakistani water share would turn the land barren. But thanks to the media, which has brought this critical issue to limelight.
These views were expressed by the speakers at a Forum entitled ‘Kashmir Freedom Movement and Pakistan’ organised by TheNation, Nawa-i-Waqt and Waqt News at the Hamid Nizami Hall here on Wednesday. The speakers included Member Islamic Ideology Council-Azad Kashmir and former Member Kashmir Legislative Assembly Maulana Mohammad Shafi Josh, Member AJK Legislative Assembly and Secretary General People’s Muslim League AJK Chapter Dewan Ghulam Mohyuddin, Director Kashmir Centre Lahore Mirza Mohammad Sadiq Jarral and Central Leader Jamaat-ud-Daawa Hafiz Abdur Rehman Makki. Earlier, the speakers also met Editor-in Chief TheNation and Nazria Pakistan Trust (NPT) Chairman Majid Nizami.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Feb 2010 04:10

Economic Times is very clear the talks are under US pressure!

India-Pakistan foreign secys to talk about talks

NEW DELHI: The growing pressure on New Delhi from the international community, particularly the US, to re-engage with Islamabad has prompted the Manmohan Singh government to propose foreign secretary-level talks with Pakistan. Although the government indicated that it will not insist on a "terror only" format, the talks will be on how to take the talks forward.

Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao had conveyed the decision to resume dialogue, suspended after the 2008 Mumbai attacks, to her Pakistani counterpart Salman Bashir on Tuesday. Home minister P Chidambaram’s visit to Pakistan later this month for the Saarc ministerial meeting is expected to lay the groundwork for dialogue.

Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said that he has instructed the Pakistani High Commission in New Delhi to discuss the date and venue of the meeting with the Indian side.

At the talks, sources here said, India would raise the issue of terrorism and any other matter that could "contribute to creating atmosphere of peace and security" between the two countries. The willingness to discuss "all relevant issues" would meet the Pakistan’s demand for talks beyond the terror issue. It can also claim to its domestic audience that India is now willing to discuss all controversial issues, including Kashmir.

The apprehensions about adverse political fallout seem to be prompting the government to avoid any mention of the composite dialogue process. "India will enter into the discussions with an open and positive mind and will raise all relevant issues," sources said.

India, which suspended the composite dialogue process after the Mumbai terror attacks, made an attempt to re-start the peace process at Sharm el Sheikh. But the Prime Minister was forced to step back when the decision to delink terror from the composite dialogue process failed to gain support of even his party.

Note absence of EAM in the news report.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Feb 2010 04:12

Good idea to build a page with pix and bios of those calling for war on India and update it periodically.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 05 Feb 2010 04:28

War against India inevitable if Kashmir dispute not solved soon: Speakers

And when war doesn't resolve cashmere issue?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 05 Feb 2010 04:30

Bookshops dying

In a society where there are no libraries and bookshops are fast vanishing, it is no wonder that hoods are more respected than scholars.

The majority of the elected "cream of the society" are not even graduates. In countries like Singapore, even India, more than half the cabinet members are PhDs; most of our ministers cannot speak properly or write -- if they ever write.

The nation's aversion to books and writers has brought the country where it finds itself today.

Food streets are thriving in our cities. Bookshops are shutting down.

In pukiland, there is a need for only one book.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 05 Feb 2010 04:35

No Jet Fuel

A report that the National Refinery and the Pakistan Refinery have stopped the supply of fuel to "all international flights at the Karachi airport" because of a shortage of fuel comes as no surprise because this is yet another of those 'accidents' that was waiting to happen. Crews of international flights are said to have been instructed to carry extra fuel as refuelling at Karachi cannot be guaranteed.

If we are unable to provide satisfactory ground-handling and refuelling facilities then in these cost- and safety-conscious times airlines will simply stop flying here.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 05 Feb 2010 04:43

What is the end-game for the Monkey Trap?

It might be good time to start thinking about it. The rats will find it hard to desert the sinking ship if international airlines can't land at Pakistan's airports; and anyway, visas are harder to come by.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 05 Feb 2010 05:04

GOI starting this talk so zardari survives & kuch-kiyani finally retires near potomac river?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Feb 2010 05:12

A_Gupta wrote:What is the end-game for the Monkey Trap?

It might be good time to start thinking about it. The rats will find it hard to desert the sinking ship if international airlines can't land at Pakistan's airports; and anyway, visas are harder to come by.

From Indian prespective the least cost option is that which makes the Monkey drop the mango. It will do so only when it fears its going to die. And as long as the 800# gorilla is there in the neighborhood its difficult. Might have to throw the gorilla a banana, to shoo him away. Or else need to get strong to make the Monkey drop the mango and anyone who interferes.

What you are saying is the gorilla is making the Monkey grip the mango tighter if so whats left of the mango is the kernal and everything else is squeezed out. Something for the syncretic elite to think about.

MMS focus on economic growth is to throw a banana. However gorilla will come back with other Monkeys unless you are strong.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 05 Feb 2010 05:25

http://www.hindu.com/2010/02/05/stories ... 521200.htm

Mindful of the terminological minefield that sub-continental diplomacy can be, the Indian offer was purposely vague and open-ended.
Pakistani hawks want nothing less than the immediate resumption of the composite dialogue — the multi-track process involving sequential meetings between different sets of officials on a full range of issues from Kashmir and Siachen to trade. Indian hawks want no dialogue or at best, limited dialogue on one topic — terrorism. {Equal Equal}
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Under the circumstances, the foreign secretary’s invitation was crafted to satisfy Islamabad’s demand for meaningful discussions that went beyond simply reviewing what progress had been made on the 26/11 case, while sidestepping the right-wing charge at home that India’s concerns about terrorism were somehow being diluted.

Mr. Varadaraj is parading the virtues of vagueness, and topping it with numerous references to Indian hawks. Congress is walking on the blood of 173 dead at Mumbai.

R. Krithivas

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 05 Feb 2010 05:29

‘Aman Ki Asha’ bears fruit as India ready for talks

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 05 Feb 2010 05:47

Puerile Paki Puking Piskological Pondering
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk\default.asp?page=2010\02\04\story_4-2-2010_pg3_6

An ability and willingness to cooperate with non-Muslim states, even if the collaboration would be mutually beneficial is harshly derided as ideological treason, a willingness to bend before infidel winds for the unspeakably petty goals of progress and better living standards. Pakistan, the Land of the Pure, has come to mean “Death to the Impure”. The idea of interaction with non-Muslims in a way that does not involve proselytising, violence or (everybody’s personal favourite) proselytising through violence has become hateful to far too much of our body politic

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 05 Feb 2010 05:52

The problem, dear readers, lies with the idea of Pakistan. In the 21st century we are still trying to justify our existence ideologically not practically. The very fact of existence and survival is neither here nor there, and instead of a Pakistani dream we need an ideology to keep moving. This revolting curse has polarised this country to such an extent that we always take a maximalist position even on matters of common sense.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk\default.asp?page=2010\02\04\story_4-2-2010_pg3_5
Sleeping with the enemy —Funne Khaan Patashi.

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 05 Feb 2010 05:55

pgbhat wrote:‘Aman Ki Asha’ bears fruit as India ready for talks

So I guess the strategy of unkil/poodle's TSP/ South Asia Handler, in light of unkils cut and run strategy from Fak-Ap, is something like this (should have started a few months before Chaman Ki Tamasha)

1) Handler Squeezes whatever little tiny balls remain of Indian Politicians for resolving Cashmere
2) Indian Politicians say that they cannot help because public mood is too against anything Pak
3) Handler engages Gora's bhadwa TOILet to start Chaman Ki Tamasha (Chaman ki tamasha in porkilund is not advertised because as someone mentioned here: the target audience are mango-aadmis in India and not Porkistan)
4) Naive Indians fall for it, mood cools down
5) The "lets talk" white noise increases its power
6) In the near future all talks are normalized, status quo is maintained, Everyone happy.
7) Next attack from TSP.... and cycle repeat.

Jai Ho..............

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 05 Feb 2010 06:02

amdavadi wrote:GOI starting this talk so zardari survives & kuch-kiyani finally retires near potomac river?

Doubt it. A Kiyani coup would be desirable to simplify communication and take away the "democratic" veneer. Plus Zardari's ouster would alienate Sindh from Pakjab. Given this, what would GoI gain from pursuing such a strategy?

The ET article is upfront that the talks are being started because of US pressure.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Feb 2010 06:28

On TV last night Parthasarathy made some comments - and he made them with that snooty superior look that he puts on when Pakis are on air with him.

He said pretty much what we say on here "What are we going to talk about?". But he pointed out that talks between India and Pakistan were going on even in the midst of the Kargil conflict. He was high commissioner and was talking to everyone including Paqui PM Nawaz Besharam.

It was after Mushy became CEO if Terror Inc that he signed an agreement to say that Paqui territory would not be used for anti-India activities. And after that we had this series attacks, admissions from Pakis that the attacks came from Pakiland and the open movement of LeT/ Jamaat ud Dawa.

He said he wishes the Foreign Sec level talks all the best but that they will achieve nothing. Even Hillary Clinton spends only 30 min with Paki politicos and 3 hours with Gen Kiyani. India needs to conduct talks, if any, with the Paki military and ISI. Unpublicized if need be.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 05 Feb 2010 06:31

Govt urged not to create hurdles for Kashmir jihad

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 05 Feb 2010 06:37

shiv wrote: India needs to conduct talks, if any, with the Paki military and ISI. Unpublicized if need be.

In fact if talks need to be conducted, why involve civilians at all? Why not have talks been Indian army choef and Kiyani; likewsie betweeen RAW chielf and ISI boss. And the parameters must be clearly set by civilian leadership.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Feb 2010 06:58

CRamS wrote:
shiv wrote: India needs to conduct talks, if any, with the Paki military and ISI. Unpublicized if need be.
In fact if talks need to be conducted, why involve civilians at all? Why not have talks been Indian army choef and Kiyani; likewsie betweeen RAW chielf and ISI boss. And the parameters must be clearly set by civilian leadership.

CRamS - this is exactly the demand that the Paki army will make to do an equal equal. "We will not talk to civilians. We will talk to our equals" It will get nowhere because political decisions are not made by the Indian army. It has to be a civilian Indian and military Paki talks, if any. I believe the Paki military is afraid of this. They are trying to avoid talking. If the Paki military is the government - they have to talk - as Musharraf did. They are also directly in the line of fire. They discovered in 1965 and 1971 that being directly in the line of fire is dicey. So the Paki army and ISI work best when they have civilian cover and hit India via proxies. That is what they are enjoying now.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 05 Feb 2010 06:59

CRamS,
MAy be Precisely the reason to hold talk with Civilians knowingly they cant do didlysquat about their fauj's dream of Jeehad, thus giving lota stamina to Chai Biscoti drama. The buffonery will continue till all are dead enjoying Jannah. Lets just hope that A goes in to make Paki Pakoras, not a single Kaddoo get to escape the skin grating.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Feb 2010 07:14

pgbhat wrote:Govt urged not to create hurdles for Kashmir jihad

Commodore Uday Bhaskar, with his signature voice recognizable on TV even when his face is not being shown was on TV two days ago and said how the Paki army has either lost control or is unwilling to do anything about these jihadis.

The civilian government of Pakistan is a red herring - a diversion from the main issue that Pakistan's major policies are arm controlled. Talking to Paki civilians is meaningless.

I am unable to find an article linked off BRF yesterday - an American source where the language suggested that at least some opinion makers in the US have accepted that Jihadis are part and parcel of Pakistan's defence against India. That is one step towards the post 9-11 legitimization of anti India jihad.

Personally - it does not bother me too much. Jihad against India was "legitimate just 9 years ago before 9-11. Going back to those attitudes shows how much time the worlds only superdooperpower - the USA needs after having its ass bitten off to accept defeat, do a 400% u-turn, ahow forgiveness and do a US style downhill skiing and Sharm el Sheikh.

India will keep on facing all threats, including a nuclear threat from Pakistan. Nothing new there. we have gradually been working to defend India and that is only going to continue. It is the downhill skiiers of the west who have to prepare for new attacks.

I recall now with glee and mirth of how my cousin - who did all his education with me in India went off to the US and a decade and a half later was telling me (early 90s) -"How stupid airport security is in India. Indians will never learn. In America we just have to drop our bags at baggage collection at the entrance to the airport and we walk in. You really should have gone to America. Why are you living here? Land of Milk and Honey!". Pakislam has singlehandedly brought "Freedom and democracy" to its knees. At least we are inured to that in India and know life after jihad.

Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 05 Feb 2010 07:15

Suprised this has not been picked up yet?
Kayani spells out threat posed by Indian doctrine

The general was particularly keen to highlight the threat posed by India’s ‘Cold Start’ doctrine. Turing the traditional theory of war on its head, ‘Cold Start’ would permit the Indian Army to attack before mobilising, increasing the possibility of a “sudden spiral escalation”,

He also pleaded that “peace and stability in South Asia should not be made hostage to a single terrorist act of a non-state actor”, a reference to the November 2008 Mumbai attacks.
Refusing to talk to Pakistan would send a bad signal on two counts: one, the non-state actors would know that they have the power to nudge India and Pakistan towards war; and two, within India it would become clear that relations with Pakistan could be suspended indefinitely

A must read, folks! Please take the time to read the full piece. If someone can lay hands on the full presentation....

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 05 Feb 2010 07:17

U.S. Says 200 Troops on the Ground in Pakistan

The slain U.S. troops have been referred to alternately as Special Operations forces as and as “civil affairs” troops — military nation-builders. It’s quite possible they were both. American forces “have been quietly working on development projects” in Pakistan. It’s supposedly part of an effort to train local forces in population-centric counterinsurgency. But the effort has been kept low-key, out of fears that it could hand the Taliban a propaganda win. “Last summer, for example, the American military trainers helped distribute food and water in camps for the more than one million people displaced from the Swat Valley by the fighting [there]. But that American assistance, too, was kept quiet.”

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 05 Feb 2010 07:27

All the hoopla and people here missed out on carefully reading the Aafiya Article !

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crim ... rder_.html

During the trial, she disrupted the proceedings several times with strange outbursts - including claims she could broker peace with the Taliban. {trust every Paki jihadi offers to broker peace with taliban }

she asked that a message be sent to her supporters at home in Pakistan to refrain from violent demonstrations. {Conjured up images of "Amma" Jayalalitha appealing for "calm" every time she is arrested--which is a signal for the party faithful to burn a few busses }

And here is the best. While Aafiya was being careful to remove all Jews from the Jury, (thereby preventing a "Joo Kanspeerajy"), she made a grave mistake about not paying attention to the prosecution.

"Today, a jury has brought Aafia Siddiqui to justice in a court of law for trying to murder American military and law enforcement officers, as well as their Afghan colleagues," said U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara. {I knew there had to be a Hindoo kanspeerajy in there somewhere! }

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Feb 2010 07:30

Malayappan wrote: Kayani spells out threat posed by Indian doctrine.

Unlike the past, though, the stakes appear to be higher because of the uncertain future of Afghanistan and a ‘nuclear overhang’ that may be affected by ‘Cold Start’.

What utter tripe! The stakes are no higher today. Why press panic buttons now? Ho Hum....

Someone wake me up if something new happens.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 05 Feb 2010 07:30

Strat has this to say, re" talks with the pakis, snippets.
"But there is also another critical factor that is pushing India toward engaging Pakistan at this time: Afghanistan. As STRATFOR has noted in recent weeks, the United States and Pakistan are showing signs of realigning their views on how to negotiate with the Taliban in Afghanistan. The United States needs results in this war on a short timeline, and is finding that it must work with Pakistan if it wants to see progress in negotiations with the Taliban. As a result, the United States also must face the unpalatable political prospect of opening a dialogue with high-level militant commanders like Afghan Taliban chief Mullah Omar.

These developments are causing concern to New Delhi. India remembers well the security problems it faced while the Taliban ruled Afghanistan from 1994 to 2001, including a 1999 hijacking of an Indian airliner by Pakistani militants who forced the aircraft to land in Kandahar with the cooperation of the Taliban regime. India is fearful of any U.S.-Pakistani designs for Taliban appeasement in Afghanistan that would allow the militant group substantial political space to operate. For this reason, India also is increasing diplomatic contacts with Iran, which shares New Delhi’s fears of a political comeback for the Taliban in Afghanistan."

"The prospect of India playing a direct security role in Afghanistan represents a redline for Pakistan. And Islamabad has made this clear to Washington in routinely opposing any Indian role in Afghanistan. India knows the only way it can edge into the Afghanistan dialogue and hope to influence the Taliban negotiations is to first reopen a diplomatic channel with Pakistan."

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Feb 2010 07:34

putnanja wrote:PM casts peace dice again

Haider said he was recently in Pakistan and sensed a “deep and genuine will that our two countries should begin to re-engage”.

That explains the slew of 'peace' articles we saw from a certain quarter recently.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Feb 2010 07:38

Guddu wrote: These developments are causing concern to New Delhi.

Typical twisted talk like my late grandmother. She would want me to do some stupid thing and would tell me that all the kids were doing it and it had to be done because that was the fashion.

This statement says "India is worried because of 1999". Actually in the the US that has to be worried. India had terrorism in Kashmir from 1990 to 2000, and the terrorism spread all over India from 1999 to 2008.

It is the West that was happy from 1980 to 2001 when India was burning. Now the US is getting its chaddis in a twist.

What will happen of the Taliban take over Afghanistan? How will things get worse for India? Guess who is going to feel the heat when Afghanistan falls? Guess who started feeling the heat the last time Afghanistan fell?

I would rather not see the Taliban in power for the sake of the Afghan people who are our friends. However if it must fall - it won't be India that is going to feel more heat. What sort of wonky thinking process do these morons have if any?

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 05 Feb 2010 07:47

Would it be remiss if we started talks with the LeT and other non-state actors as well? It would seem such talks are necessary by Pakistan's own admission about the independent nature of such entities.

In the longer tem, the LeT and other non-state actors must be integrated into the Pakistan state so that they have a stake in whatever is agreed to by the Pakistan army or civilian government.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 05 Feb 2010 07:51

Now we know why TTP attacks in Pak is way way down over the past 2 months.

Somebody has been promised safe haven & non interference along with a peace deal. Maybe even the recalcitrant threatened with drone strikes.