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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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shravan wrote:Bomb Blast in Karachi.
It was a suicide attack.
Must be an evil conspiracy by the YYY combine to taint the fair nation of pakiland. Other theories now being offered are: Motorist caused blast by running into bus, says CCPO
Contrarily, another police official SP Omar Khattab said preliminary evidences and investigations showed that the blast was not suicidal in nature.
I wonder what this phrase "not suicidal in nature' means when a paki utters it?
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Another blast in Karachi leaves 8 dead, 15 injured
KARACHI: A bomb blast also occured outside the Jinnah Hospital Karachi Friday.

The blast killed eight and injured 15.

The blast occurred outside the OPD ward and near the Accident and Emergency Ward of the JPMC, at the motorcycle parking.

The second blast created panic among the medical staff who rushed to the terrace.

Several injuries are reported. They are being transfered to the Aga Khan Hospital where they are given first aid.

10-year-old Meena, an eye witness, said that the bomb was planted in a TV which was put on a motorcycle. The terrorist who did the attack ran and hid inside a washroom.

MQM announces three days of mourning. SAMAA
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shravan wrote:Second Karachi explosion, this time at hospital where wounded from 1st blast were taken.
This is jehadi version of 'force multiplier effect' - killing at hospital not only kills but also prevents others from being treated...

IED Mubarak terroristan!
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Meanwhile, the telli-bunnies have stepped in to defend Madame Aafia Matahari. Taliban to execute US soldier if Aafia not released
The Afghan Taliban on Thursday demanded the release of Dr Aafia Siddiqui and threatened to execute an American soldier they were holding currently. They claimed Aafia Siddiqui’s family had approached the Taliban network through a Jirga of notables, seeking their assistance to put pressure on the US to provide her justice.
He claimed family members of Dr Aafia told the Taliban leadership that they had lost all hopes in the Pakistan government and now Allah Almighty and the Taliban were their only hope
Allah and the Tellibunnies being the only hope!! Isn't the femme fatale's collusion with the tellibunnies and shooting at US soldiers the reason why she was booked in the first place? Now, it seems the whole ki n kabbodle may be involved.
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shravan wrote:Another blast in Karachi leaves 8 dead, 15 injured
bomb was planted in a TV which was put on a motorcycle
TV attached to a mobike. That's a dead giveaway!
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http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... achi-qs-07

Dawn even shamelessly brags that Karachi has been free of violence! Dont know what their definition of violence is...
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GuruPrabhu wrote:Did anyone watch Burqah Dotty interview Udhav Thackeray yesterday? UT mentioned something about Jagjit Singh being humiliated in Pureland when he went there after being invited to some Music Programme. Does anyone know anything about the incident?
Why does our media downplay that incident and give full coverage to the perceived loss of H&D over the IPL snub to purelanders?
I think there is more than meets the eye, UT must be having some logic behind his comments on SRK
Did you notice Burqah Dotty and Rajbeep sirdesai speaking with fear while interviewing Udhav?
Burqah is usually barking at BJP wallahs, however she refered to Udhav as Udhavji.
Rajbeep referred to him as Sir sir sir.
Simply loved it! :rotfl:
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The brigadier and the professor
Staff room thrashing!
A retired brigadier, the registrar of the Army-run National University of Modern Languages (NUML), on Thursday assaulted his respected professor colleague when the latter questioned the role of General Musharraf in brokering a deal with the PPP through the NRO.
Brig (retd) Obaidullah Ranjha started hitting Prof Tahir Malik like a punching bag, leaving the latter virtually unconscious.
Ranjha, instead of regretting his act, said he wouldn’t care in case an FIR was lodged and defended the use of muscle power :shock:
“If somebody disgraces the Army and its institution, what should I have done?”
The NUML is fast gaining notoriety as the recent audit report exposed rampant corruption
“You have been appointed registrar without any advertisement. You don’t qualify for the position for not having the required academic experience of 15 years. You should set your house in order before pointing fingers towards the politicians. One should preach what one practices,”
As they walked away from the staff room, Ranjha started hurling abuses, hitting Malik on the face, kicking him on the upper part of the legs. But doing all this could not alleviate his anger. He then struck in his chest with head like a goat.
:rotfl: Watch this space tomorrow for the second edition of "Stand up comedy - Pa'astan edition"
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Lets take these talks and chaman ki bhasha further i say.
To make up for 'IPL insult', india should unilaterally send the cricket team along with movie superstars like SRK to Pak.
When the bombs start talking bullets get showered in their reception, perhaps then the eyes of indians will awake!
In india, nothing works better to make a point then Cricket and bollywood.
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Is the reasonably likely hope on paki tactical brilliance likely to save the day? Immediate paki response, Khaled Ahmed's prescient observations...
paki aggressive behavior at the talks putting off even the doves. paki aggressive overreach in Afghanistan puts off the other Pashtuns (US and UK with their media can bleat but the Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras and Karzai Pushtuns anyway will not yield to the pakis)?
So we should talk to shut up the Americans but open lines to Iran (already done), Russia (always done), keep a low profile but deep involvement in Afghanistan, and provide plenty of chai and biskoot in the talks.
To be frank, under the present circumstances and all things considered, I am really not sure if there is an option. (I for one don't like it one bit certainly, but no one asked my opinion :D )
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The sectarian worldview is the same in Karbala and Karachi, as these two places have seen blasts today. Such thoughts are deeply embedded among the AQAM and that makes the task of separating the grain from the chaff very difficult. Those who deal with Islamist extremism are therefore handicapped by either the lack of a critical mass of moderates or those co-religionists who can fearlessly tackle the terrorists at an ideological level and expose their bluff. The true service that 'Aman-ki-Asha'wallahs can do to eliminate this enduring hostility would be first to develop such a constituency within the Pakistani Islamists. Rather, the effort seems more to dhimmify the already beaten-to-pulp-dhimmis into more of the same, because that is easier to do. The Jung is simply keeping mum on Aman-ki-Asha while ToI is sponsoring Pakistani artistes, writing reams after reams of what wonder awaits the kufr once Dar-ul-Aman is established etc. I do not see any reciprocity on the other side. Of course, we know the answer too as to why the other side is enjoying all this. But, someone must din some sense into the ears of the ToI syndicate that is shamelessly propagating pernicious theories.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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SSridhar,
Good one. But for starters, are the Shias in India aware of what is happening? What prevents Indian media from covering these stories objectively? I am not sure how or if these are covered.
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http://www.thenews.com.pk/default.asp

Seems the hospital blast toll is 10 now. Warning: You have to click on the X to close the 'Aman ki Asha' pop-up banner ad in order to see this link clearly. :lol:
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Quetta gets away with a flesh injury to two policemen and one jehadi

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... nded-qs-02
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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Malayappan wrote:But for starters, are the Shias in India aware of what is happening?
I am pretty sure that the Indian Shias are aware of what is happening. The Shi'a were in large numbers among the population of the Ganga-Yamuna belt Urdu-speakers who created Pakistan and who migrated from the Dar-ul-Harb to the exotic land. They have relatives back here and frequently visit and marry among themselves. The communication channel is wide open.
Malayappan wrote:What prevents Indian media from covering these stories objectively? I am not sure how or if these are covered.
They are not at all covered in Indian media. I don't know why. But, why should the Indian media cover such events ? That would embarrass Pakistan and Indian media is not about to do that.
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The haste with which "Foggy Bottom" welcomed the resumption of "talks" leaves no doubt,if at all there was,who is determining the contoursof India's foreign policy.

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/article10 ... epage=true
The Obama Administration on Friday welcomed the Indian proposal to hold talks with Pakistan at the level of Foreign Secretary.

"This is a welcome move," the Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs, P.J. Crowley, told reporters at the Foggy Bottom headquarters of the State Department.

"We are supportive of dialogue among India, Pakistan and Afghanistan as a key component of moving ahead and achieving a stable region," Mr. Crowley said in response to a question.

"We certainly have been encouraging steps that both Pakistan and India could take to address mutual concerns and to take appropriate steps so that tensions can be reduced, cooperation can be increased, and, as a result you have a more stable region that is focused on threats, both interests that they share and threats that they share, Mr. Crowley said.

Pak will accept Indian offer but problem on agenda: Stratfor

Terming it as a breakthrough in Indo-Pak relationship, a US-based strategic think tank has said that New Delhi's offer to have Foreign Secretary-level talks with Islamabad is driven by India's concerns over Taliban appeasement in Afghanistan.

"Though little progress has been made in India's efforts to get Islamabad to crack down on India-focused militants operating on Pakistani soil, India's concerns over Taliban appeasement in Afghanistan are driving New Delhi toward engagement with Islamabad," said Stratfor, which provides strategic intelligence on security and geopolitical affairs.

"India knows the only way it can edge into the Afghanistan dialogue and hope to influence the Taliban negotiations is to first reopen a diplomatic channel with Pakistan," it said in its news analysis on India’s offer of talks with Islamabad.

Mr. Stratfor said India demonstrated its openness to cooperate on the issue when Indian External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna said January 30 that India is willing to give negotiations with the Taliban a try.

Mr. Krishna even went so far as to say that India could be "quite satisfied" even if Pakistan took a "few steps" in cooperation with the Mumbai attacks investigation, it said.

"Pakistan will likely accept the Indian offer to talk, but problems will arise when it comes time to set the agenda. India will want to talk about Pakistani-sponsored militancy and Taliban negotiations. Pakistan will want to talk about everything else. It will be up to the United States to attempt to bridge this difficult gap," it said.

Stratfor said United States and Pakistan are showing signs of realigning their views on how to negotiate with the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The US needs results in this war on a short timeline, and is finding that it must work with Pakistan if it wants to see progress in negotiations with the Taliban.

As a result, the United States also must face the unpalatable political prospect of opening a dialogue with high-level militant commanders like Afghan Taliban chief Mullah Omar, it noted.

"These developments are causing concern to New Delhi," Stratfor said adding that India remembers well the security problems it faced while the Taliban ruled Afghanistan from 1994 to 2001, including a 1999 hijacking of an Indian airliner by Pakistani militants who forced the aircraft to land in Kandahar with the cooperation of the Taliban regime.

"India is fearful of any US-Pakistani designs for Taliban appeasement in Afghanistan that would allow the militant group substantial political space to operate.

For this reason, India also is increasing diplomatic contacts with Iran, which shares New Delhi’s fears of a political comeback for the Taliban in Afghanistan," it said.

Stratfor noted that Pakistan in recent months has voiced increasing concerns over Indian involvement in Afghanistan.

Though India has primarily focused its efforts in Afghanistan on political and economic reconstruction, Islamabad has a deep-seated fear that New Delhi is creating a foothold in Afghanistan to the west to encircle Pakistan.

Fuelling these fears in Islamabad are the United States’ moves to deepen its relationship with India.
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The Indian electronic media is probably the most corrupt, anti-national and devoid of ethics in the entire world, there isn't a single news channel in English that presents an news event in a neutral way which is why there is a high percentage of ignorant fools among the globe trotting English speaking Indian Elite.
Pureland on the other hand relies on their media to spin negative events into positive ones and they don't really have to work hard because most of the country is illiterate, filled with hate and the collective IQ of the country very low. It is not hard to fool those who want to be fooled. Ask any purelander and he will say that they will conquer India in 4 years time
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on why shia-sunni fights in tsp are not highlighted in india.

my guess would be to avoid unintended fallout. i guess the fear is what if shias and sunnis start fighting in india, then india has to deal with a problem with roots in pakiness of tsp. even otherwise, shia sunni issue not something that is rooted in india and babus etc cannot determine the outcome of such a fight. its not a issue that even our intelligencia is willing to tackle. the value of schadenfreude and psyops from highlighting news of this struggle in places like TSP is far less in value than the risk involved.

in india, not stirring any problems that you donot have tools, authority and means to manage is one of the ways to achieve insaniyat. a contrasting approach is taken in tsp and we know the resulting insanity. towards this, i guess one of the tools to maintain law and order in india is to manage info flow. that is why they have the rules they have. now in these days of sms how effective this info management is questionable, but i guess people who are managing things(police, babus etc) think it is important. that is why media also self censors (or mebbe these are the rules of the game layed out by GoI).
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GuruPrabhu wrote:The Indian electronic media is probably the most corrupt, anti-national and devoid of ethics in the entire world, there isn't a single news channel in English that presents an news event in a neutral way which is why there is a high percentage of ignorant fools among the globe trotting English speaking Indian Elite.
Pureland on the other hand relies on their media to spin negative events into positive ones and they don't really have to work hard because most of the country is illiterate, filled with hate and the collective IQ of the country very low. It is not hard to fool those who want to be fooled. Ask any purelander and he will say that they will conquer India in 4 years time
Every Indian media house behaves like it is the foreign office of CNN or an American news channel. Just follow a debate on NDTV or CNN-IBN and you will see that the anchors will fall over each other in order to be the most 'neutral'. Their idea of neutrality rests on finding faults with India wherever it is possible & wherever it is not. In order to prove that they are neutral & secular, they will create issues out of thin air so that they can criticize India & most importantly, the majority community. This race for some kind of 'moral high ground', which by the way is as real as the much in-demand Islamic heaven with 72 houris, is the cause why these media persons break records after records of hitting the Axe on their own feet & undermining the country's interests.
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They are pro-pak because they don't see themselves as Indians and that is same thing we must do. They are nothing but representatives of Foreign Interests.
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Bomb recovered in Jinnah Hospital
Updated at: 1910 PST, Friday, February 05, 2010
KARACHI: Another bomb has been recovered from the premises of Jinnah Hospital here, police said today.

The bomb was planted in a TV set, which was identified by the security personnel present in the hospital.
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GuruPrabhu wrote:The Indian electronic media is probably the most corrupt, anti-national and devoid of ethics in the entire world, there isn't a single news channel in English that presents an news event in a neutral way which is why there is a high percentage of ignorant fools among the globe trotting English speaking Indian Elite.
English news channels live on a different planet

This is what the rest of India is doing
http://www.indiantelevision.com/tvr/tam ... endperiod=
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TimesNow is reporting that Prof. Hafeez Saeed has indeed demanded that India must hold talks with him ! He has also demanded that after that Pakistan must hold talks with him !!

So, the Islamic Caliphate is well and truly established in Lahore now ?

AoA
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SSridhar wrote:TimesNow is reporting that Prof. Hafeez Saeed has indeed demanded that India must hold talks with him ! He has also demanded that after that Pakistan must hold talks with him !!

So, the Islamic Caliphate is well and truly established in Lahore now ?

AoA
Well ... I guess MMS govt. will become really Chanikyan and talk to Mr sayeed
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My father tried to make me a soosai bummer
actually quite a distressing article, but replete with tales of dronacharyas, goats and woman beating... good ol' paqui stylie!
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harbans wrote:It's one thing to agree to talks, it's another to agree without any conditions being met. What happened to the Kandahar Hijackers and the killers of Rupin Katyal? They walked free into Pakistan and live freely. Dawood ditto. If international groups/ lobbies/ countries are pressurising us to improve relations, why can we not pressurize them that Pukes must catch those responsible for such major incidents before we can fully dissasociate state and non state. IMHO this has not been done one bit by Indian politicians dealing with Pakistan. This is a tremendous evasion of responsibility to this country. Instead thats been substituted by woolly headed initiatives like ABVs Agra Summit, Lahore bus run, Aman ka Tamasha and stuff.
Thats is exactly the point. Those representing India see the western worldview which means equal equal. What happened in Gujarat, Shiv Sena, Bjajrang Dal, BJP, LeT, Taliban yada are all in the same boat in western racist eyes, and hence for them there is no moral repugnance at TSP's use of terror against India. Therefore equal equal demans that 'both sides' make up. And those representing India trying to impress the whites mostly end up thinking like them or are too cowardly and self loathing to challenge this and make it stick.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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SSridhar wrote:TimesNow is reporting that Prof. Hafeez Saeed has indeed demanded that India must hold talks with him ! He has also demanded that after that Pakistan must hold talks with him !!

So, the Islamic Caliphate is well and truly established in Lahore now ?

AoA
Well then the Indian govt. should immediately agree but insist that the talks be held in India.
Since Saeed isn't part of the Pak govt. no Diplomatic Immunity for him. :twisted:
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I have it on the authority of two unimpeachable sources that this latest tamasha has been initiated by MMS himself and facilitated by the author of SeS , the new NSA S.S.Menon. This has been MMS' plan since last summer, but the SeS debacle and Headley revelations allowed opponents like M.K.N and P. Chidambaram to block those plans. Now that M.K.N is out of the way, I'm told that the PM has a green light to "make his mark in history", to quote some insiders.

I'm told that both gentlemen have overruled vehement objections from career diplomats, the Home Ministry, COAS, and even a majority within the cabinet for this effort. US pressure was likely a marginal factor, I'm told, because MMS has been dead set to make another push for this, come what may. My sources tell me that the only concession won by the protesting majority is that the language of any comminiques and statements would be vetted by multiple people.

While jingos might be worried about any Kashmir related move, the Home Minister is extremely concerned that the ISI-pigLeT network could use any new programs, such as bus travel, visa relaxation etc. to create new networks in India and overturn the painstaking successes achieved over the last few months.

:evil: :evil:
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Rangudu:

Not to crow, but I have always pointed out what MMS's motives are. I will stop saying anything more in respecting forum rules. Also, if MMS could knock MKN to irrelevance, why couldn't he have done the same to PC? PC seems to have become, or made to become a WKK of late.

But please tell me this? What in your opinuion, or according to your sources, is MMS willing to give up? Joint soverignty over the valley? But I am a tad suspiscous that US played only a marginal role. The behind the scenes pressure was always there. And now US will further calibrate MMS by throwing a few dog bones on the nuke deal or other issues which Rajdeep and Bakara tyoes will hype up to 5th heavens.
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Also guys, as much as we hate that charlatan Uneven Cohen, remember has contacts, groveling elites, high up in India's policy circles, as he does within state dept (matter of fact, he is probbably a key playher in USA's equal equal 'South Asia' policy). So pay close attention to what he says. Just recently he said MMS wants to make out with TSP but 'hardlines' (meaning those India who dare to demand justics for TSP's sponsorship of terror) are coming in the way. And I cannot get my hands on that article, but perhaphs R-man you can, but way back when MMS signed the July 17th agreement with Bush on the nuke deal, Uneven Cohen was on a Washinton Post chat takling questions. He distinctly said (and I am parapharsing) that the full fruition of the nuke deal will depend on among other things, what concessions India will make on Kashmir.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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The government has total control over some media. How come not even one aman ki asha concert was covered by Doordarshan? With all respect - I meet unimpeacheable sources all the time - except that they share only impeachable opinions with me.

Something does not gel (with me) here..
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With March approaching and searing tempratures will be the order of the day. It is the season of "lemon selling" to quench thirsts. We will have Asha and Ayesha, we will have how India is a soft super power, India is a global partner etc. Many a "lemon" selling attempt there will be in the months to come, and some of them will find even willing buyers in Delhi's GOI.

Yes something is happening, it is evident if one cares to look at the big picture and connect the dots. It is indeed sad to see that we are marching to someone else's tunes.

Resumption of any dialogue with this artificial terrorism sponsoring entity does not have any benefit for India, be it strategic or tactical, diplomatic or economic. Yet, every indication is that we are headed towards that. To critique this is not something that is of any use any more. Even here. So even if one could write a lot more, it may not be politically correct these days. So I shall not.

This time it is just a lament rather than the usual ramble. Sorry about that.
Raja-Ram sir,
Please dont keep us devoid of your rambles.

Virtaully every word of your ramble after the SeS part-I ( part-II has just begun) has come true and the nightmare is becoming worse if we go by Rangudu-saar's paanwala conversation:
I'm told that both gentlemen have overruled vehement objections from career diplomats, the Home Ministry, COAS, and even a majority within the cabinet for this effort. US pressure was likely a marginal factor, I'm told, because MMS has been dead set to make another push for this, come what may. My sources tell me that the only concession won by the protesting majority is that the language of any comminiques and statements would be vetted by multiple people.
Isnt this behavior of MMS EXTREMELY suspicious when he overrules virtually everyone in the establishment to implement a no-brained/ against Indian interests agenda? Something is not right here.
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Why bring in US here they would have exerted similar pressure over anyone , at the end of the day all depends upon PM's sensibilities and integrity. MMS's love for Layalpur has been evident from day one and he had made his intentions clear when he was openly talking about no borders era and having breakfast in Dilli and Lunch in TSP or something on similar lines. Anyways let him be we have had a too many Don Quixotes in the past so this one aint no different at the end of the day all of them have had to have their share of crow soup , I don't see anything different happening this time around.
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="SSridhar"]TimesNow is reporting that Prof. Hafeez Saeed has indeed demanded that India must hold talks with him ! He has also demanded that after that Pakistan must hold talks with him !!

So, the Islamic Caliphate is well and truly established in Lahore now ?
Obviously PC or Menon are below ranking, cant hold talak with him, let him have direct line to PM. After all he is Amir-O-Pakistan.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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Anyways let him be we have had a too many Don Quixotes in the past so this one aint no different at the end of the day all of them have had to have their share of crow soup , I don't see anything different happening this time around.
Sirji,

Being a don quixote is no problem as long the person imagining himself to be Don faces the consequences but here a entire nation has to bear the consequences of brainless tilting at windmills.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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CRamS wrote:Also guys, as much as we hate that charlatan Uneven Cohen, remember has contacts, groveling elites, high up in India's policy circles, as he does within state dept (matter of fact, he is probbably a key playher in USA's equal equal 'South Asia' policy). So pay close attention to what he says. Just recently he said MMS wants to make out with TSP but 'hardlines' (meaning those India who dare to demand justics for TSP's sponsorship of terror) are coming in the way. And I cannot get my hands on that article, but perhaphs R-man you can, but way back when MMS signed the July 17th agreement with Bush on the nuke deal, Uneven Cohen was on a Washinton Post chat takling questions. He distinctly said (and I am parapharsing) that the full fruition of the nuke deal will depend on among other things, what concessions India will make on Kashmir.
I agree with this. Nuke deal is connected all this tamasha. India may have to ditch the nuke deal.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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chetak wrote:The ISI's current chief pasha has also "proposed" to our military attaches that the GOI talk to it as it is involved in policy making!
No harm done. Such approaches mean there are multiple power centres. Now, is it possible to find a way to keep them busy fighting one another? What do these people need to challenge each other in Pakistan?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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I guess we can keep the nuke deal out of this Indian can manage the nuke deal without Unkil's assistance infact I will be happy if GE/Westinghouse and their Japani poodles don't build reactors here , we can allot the site to French/Russians less of a 'bandar baant ' and hassles as far as handling so many reactor types and political nodes is concerned.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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Sorry if this is posted already. And pardon my language.

The Congress Government in power are a bunch of pussies who cant stand for their country without worrying about the United States.

India says to start secy level talks. Meanwhile, Pakistan does this . http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/vide ... 535670.cms

Don't you all just feel the love from Pakistan?
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