Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 09 Feb 2010 02:07

Rangudu wrote:The strange upping of rhetoric from TSP choohas makes me wonder if they got the signal from Kayani to up the ante in preparation for another attack.

My reading is that it is just some cheap point scoring. TSP wants to look aggressive to the average Abdul, thats all. From India's side, its claim of talks focuing on terror alone is another cheap comic PR gimmick. Having surrendered, the least India can do is keep quiet instead of a game of one upmanship over TSP.

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 09 Feb 2010 02:14

What will be the implications if India adopts a first nuclear strike against Pakistan ? How will it affect the paki calculation/miscalculation ?

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 09 Feb 2010 02:38

If we do pre-empt with a tactical strike, we will not be given the flexibility of pulling out mid-way and stop with "punitive" or "limited" strikes but go the whole-hog of destroying the entire root cause - tspa. if we don't, we wont be able to face intl outcry of having used tactical stuff.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 09 Feb 2010 02:43

Its getting murkier. Advani sure does seem to have an inkling on what MMS is up to visa vi Kashmir on this talks turnaround.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 09 Feb 2010 04:07

Meanwhile, and "Italian" view of a sample of the "civil society" of TSP relying on whom India is supposed to "build bridges" and take the "peace process" forward :

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Lahore,- ... 17559.html

02/06/2010 12:38
PAKISTAN
Lahore, Muslim lawyers will "burn alive" anyone who defends murdered 12 year old Christian
by Fareed Khan
No lawyer comes forward to defend Shazia Bashir, the servant girl murdered by her employer. The powerful association of lawyers in Lahore, arrayed in defence of the murderer, launches death threats and prevents access to the Court. Christian Association condemns this new form of terrorism.

Islamabad (AsiaNews) - Because of the threats posed by the powerful Lahore Bar Association – an umbrella organization of city lawyers - no Christian or Muslim lawyer is ready to take on the defence in the murder of 12 year-old Shazia Bashir, it was reported yesterday by The Pakistani Christian association that deals with legal assistance.

The girl, of Christian faith, died on Jan. 23 as a result of violence - even sexual – at the hands of her employer, a wealthy and powerful Muslim lawyer in Lahore. The alleged murderess, Chaudhry Mohammad Naeem, is a former president of the Lahore High Court Bar Association. The girl, just 12 years old, had worked as a maid in the home of Naeem in the last six months.

The Center for Legal Aid Assistance and Settlement (CLAAS) denounces that access to the courtroom where the court hearings were held against the accused was denied, because a group of Muslim lawyers (pictured) 'prevented' entry. The association is fighting - for free - for the rights of the poorest and marginalized groups has been threatened by thousands of lawyers - friends of the murderer - that promise to burn alive anyone who wants to represent the victim in court. "

M. Joseph Francis, director of Claas, asked members of civil society, political and religious leaders to rise up and take steps to "condemn this new form of terrorism" by lawyers who "should ensure justice." The Pakistani newspaper The News reported that on Feb. 4, the police conducted the accused to the courts amid "tight security. And, as usual, officials prevented journalists and relatives of victims to come into the hall for "security reasons".

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 09 Feb 2010 04:13

^^^ From above link :

Advani's query indicates that he is privy to some kind of information given to him on this score by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh while unsuccessfully seeking the BJP's support for resumption of talks with Islamabad.

It's good to see the govt keeping the opposition in touch. If Ombaba puts too much pressure, MMS can just call a LS session and any concessions to pak can be vetoed by our cherished and blessed parliamentarians. Then MMS can gladly say to Ombaba " What to do saar, it's the silly democracy onlee?" Can't nudge and budge on Kashmir ...

The more weightage we give to amrika, the more it makes our lives miserable. Pakis can squeeze amrika to get arms and alms. Then , even successfully plot to kill the evil CIA officials , interrogate amriki embassy officials and what not while being a beggar. I donot understand why the Indian leadership gets weak kneed on each and every amriki demand.When India managed to sail through the sixties and seventies, what gives up now.

Amrika and Cheen have already done the damage to India by arming and alming pak. What else is left ? MMS just needs to cut down on amrika visits and meeting amriki officials. Indo-US relations need a chill until amrika tows the Indian line on Kashmir.Looks so simple.

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 09 Feb 2010 04:17

Brihaspati ji, please send that link to the Amriki Religious Freedom watch-dog who are dying to visit India and improve the religious tolerance here.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 09 Feb 2010 05:03

CRamS wrote:My reading is that it is just some cheap point scoring.

Perhaps, but there may be more to it than what you say. Firstly, TSPA has forced this civilian front to disown everything that was agreed to by Musharraf (i.e. no change of borders etc.).

Secondly, clear indications show that they once again want a crisis with India - pressure on Haqqani/N.Waziristan, need to remove Zardari etc. The simultaneous rise in pitch with regard to rivers, increased public appearances by Hafiz-e-pig etc. are just like pre-26/11.

If an attack is in the works, then they need to keep pushing the talks back or cancel them in order to create the right "ambience" for their "India threat = no N.Waziristan ops" dance.

I think that Qureshi's and Gillani's public statements are efforts to force MMS to walk back the talks process.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 09 Feb 2010 05:06

The Center for Legal Aid Assistance and Settlement (CLAAS) denounces that access to the courtroom where the court hearings were held against the accused was denied, because a group of Muslim lawyers (pictured) 'prevented' entry. The association is fighting - for free - for the rights of the poorest and marginalized groups has been threatened by thousands of lawyers - friends of the murderer - that promise to burn alive anyone who wants to represent the victim in court. "

In every Islamic society unless you have a brutal totalitarian setup at the helm, it's almost an impossibility for moderate Muslims to control the Jahils, and if the extremist Jahils are in control, once again by default it's brutal. Step by step the extreme elements do manage to take control and it's attempted all the time. In democracies it's by consorting with ACLU and left liberal types, till there's a significant section of Muslims with extreme views a complete pain in the arse. IN societies like Malaysia, Indonesia they are hardening influence day by day. Saudi, Afghanistan, Pak are sort of gone cases and unless you have a very strong and brutal establishment there is no way that, one can visualize a progressive society. Past era's must have been much more brutal for the unbeliever types, when there were no media, no human rights organizations, no press. Even in modern times there's a lot of coverage and shame got out, so there's action. There's even some threat of trade sanctions, boycotts and image that steps in these days. Despite that we see all this. It saddens one. THe future is certainly not that bright.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 09 Feb 2010 05:09

Kiyani-Pasha-Gilani-Qureishi combo is completely against India. There's no chance of any settlement. They will go all hog for Kashmir and possibly seek agreements in additional to IWT of assured water supplies. Unless MMS has something else up his sleeve, he's walking a dangerous strategic path.

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 09 Feb 2010 05:30

brihaspati wrote:Meanwhile, and "Italian" view of a sample of the "civil society" of TSP relying on whom India is supposed to "build bridges" and take the "peace process" forward :
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Lahore,- ... 17559.html

TSP has always shown a special love for those who help it.
Suhrawardy, the enforcer of Direct Action Day in Calcutta in 1946 resulting in one of largest riot killings was a well known Paki, Jinnah lover.
However, his close relative Salma and her family was hounded out and had to run to England and Canada.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salma_Sobhan

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 09 Feb 2010 05:40

India considering general amnesty for Kashmiris

India is planning a major confidence-building measure..considering general amnesty for young Kashmiris and families who have crossed the Line of Control to settle in Muzaffarabad and elsewhere.

Qureshi, Kasuri not on same page

the two top guns issued two contradicting statements regarding developments on the Kashmir issue between the two neighbours, Pakistan and India.

Foreign Minister Qureshi had denied of any progress made on the Kashmir issue during the past several years. While former Foreign Minister Kasuri strongly reacted to Qureshi’s statement on Monday and claimed that a remarkable development was made on this burning issue.

“President Asif Zardari, according to my knowledge, was aware of the details of the back-channel diplomacy and the Presidency has the related record of the details regarding talks on the Kashmir issue,” he confirmed.

Pakistan may adopt tough stance over Indian talks offer

Pakistan might adopt a tough stance over India’s offer for talks and press for “result-oriented dialogue” linked to a timeline for the resolution of all outstanding issues between the two countries, including the Kashmir dispute, according to diplomatic sources.

Pakistan would also seek India’s assurance that New Delhi would not unilaterally suspend the peace process in case of a terrorist attack by “non-state actors”.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 09 Feb 2010 05:51

Anujan wrote:
Pakistan may adopt tough stance over Indian talks offer

Pakistan might adopt a tough stance over India’s offer for talks and press for “result-oriented dialogue” linked to a timeline for the resolution of all outstanding issues between the two countries, including the Kashmir dispute, according to diplomatic sources.

Pakistan would also seek India’s assurance that New Delhi would not unilaterally suspend the peace process in case of a terrorist attack by “non-state actors”.

Even if its is grand standing, how can any self respecting country, let alone asipiring 'super power' accept these of bold-faced brazen demands and threats. Non-state actors, my $%^&.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 09 Feb 2010 05:57

As usual Pakjabis stealing water.

Disputes between the provinces over water are as old as the country itself and with the water shortage this winter season now estimated to be at 34 per cent, it’s no surprise the provinces are squabbling again. But not all disagreements are inevitable. For example, Sindh has accused Punjab of ‘stealing’ 16,000 cusecs of water between Taunsa and Guddu over three days earlier this month.

For its part, Punjab claims that ‘system losses’ are to blame for the water that ‘disappeared’. The only reason the provinces can argue over this issue is that there is no centralised telemetry system that can measure water flows at the nearly two dozen points at which water is discharged nationally. In the early 2000s, several hundred million rupees were spent on one such system but it barely functioned for a couple of months.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 09 Feb 2010 06:05

x-posting from J&K thread.
India considering general amnesty for Kashmiris

NEW DELHI: India is planning a major confidence-building measure (CBM) in a bid to sooth the Kashmiris angered by the killing of youth in “unprovoked firing”, considering general amnesty for young Kashmiris and families who have crossed the Line of Control to settle in Muzaffarabad and elsewhere.

IHK Chief Minister Omar Abdullah has hinted at a scheme to encourage the return of militants from across the LoC to lead a normal life. He told a chief ministers’ conference in New Delhi that a new “surrender and rehabilitation policy” was under active consideration.

A senior Indian Home Ministry official confirmed that work on such a policy was underway, and said security agencies – in consultation with the IHK government – were devising a mechanism for the return of militants and others who had crossed over in search of careers or “safe havens”.

He said the step – recommended by the prime minister’s working group headed by Vice President Hamid Ansari and perused vigorously by the state government and Kashmiri politicians – would go a long way towards addressing the political dimension of issues affecting Jammu and Kashmir.

“We have agreed in principle to devise a mechanism for their return. It could be a general amnesty. Safeguards would be put in place to avoid any negative consequence,” he said. “The process has already started ... former militants [have been known to] appear at the LoC with their families ... to surrender.”

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Feb 2010 06:12

CRamS wrote:Its getting murkier. Advani sure does seem to have an inkling on what MMS is up to visa vi Kashmir on this talks turnaround.

The link says "Bhartiya Janata Party", and quotes Advani. Gives me great confidence.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Feb 2010 06:32

Anujan wrote: Pakistan may adopt tough stance over Indian talks offer

My dog was trying to make love to the neighbor's bitch last year, but the latter adopted a tough stance. She stuck her butt though a hole in the fence between neighbor's house and ours so that her butt and tail were accessible to my dog but her forebody was not visible and my dog could not get a grip. The only problem was my dog wanted to make love. If he had wanted to shove a knife up that bare butt he could have done it - but that was not his intention. So it turned out to be a "tough stance".

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 09 Feb 2010 06:42

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

Saudi Arabia Rejects Diplomat: Name Translates Into "Biggest Dick" In Arabic

Up until just over a month ago, His Excellency Miangul Akbar Zeb had lived an esteemed life as one of Pakistan's most senior diplomats.

Mr Zeb has served as the ambassador of Pakistan to the United States, India and South Africa, the director general of Pakistan's Foreign Ministry and most recently was Pakistan's High Commissioner Designate to Canada.

According to the Media Line news agency, Mr Zeb's impressive career hit a hick-up when Pakistan recently decided to send the 55-year-old veteran diplomat to the Arab world, seemingly ignorant to the Arabic translation of the senior diplomat's name: 'Biggest Dick'.

A relatively common Muslim name, Akbar means 'biggest' or 'greatest' in Arabic. While Zeb is a common Urdu name, in Arabic it is a slang reference to the male genitals and not used in polite conversation.

Faced with an uncomfortable conundrum, it seems the unfortunate diplomat's Arab hosts felt that local references to 'His Excellency Biggest Dick' would not go over well.

According to the Arab Times, the United Arab Emirates refused to accredit Mr Zeb as ambassador. Undeterred, Pakistan then tried to send Mr Zeb to neighboring Bahrain instead, where the emissary was rejected again. Then, most recently, Pakistan tried sending Mr Zeb to Saudi Arabia, only to be rebuffed a third time.

None of the Gulf States have made a statement as to why Mr Zeb was refused accreditation.

"It's hard to imagine that someone's name would be a problem, especially on this level, but I understand why the governments reacted this way," Ahmed Al-Omran, a Saudi cultural critic told The Media Line. "It crosses a cultural red line so I don't think the media would dare to publish a name like this. So every time he would be in the media they would have to face the name issue and it would make it difficult to work with him. That would just be an embarrassment for Pakistan."

Eman Al Nafjan, an influential Saudi blogger, said Pakistan should have known.

"If they were Russian or Chinese we could say maybe they didn't know or they were ignorant," she told The Media Line. "But they are Muslim, they use the Arabic alphabet and they know what his name means in Arabic so I'm surprised they didn't pick up on it sooner. The Pakistani's should have known and they could have avoided the whole thing, so nobody thinks the government was wrong on this issue.”

"On the one hand I would have thought it was a source of pride for him," Al Nafjan said laughing. "It's funny, but you can't just pronounce that name. It's too awkward: how would he be announced at events? How would he be written about?"

"If he were the president of Pakistan it would be a different issue," she added. "I mean we can't choose their president for them. But if it's an ambassador, I'm sure they can find someone else."

David Kenner of Foreign Policy magazine wrote that the issue was likely a source of embarrassment for Pakistan.

"One can only assume that submitting Zeb's name to a number of Arabic-speaking countries is some unique form of punishment designed by the Pakistani Foreign Ministry," he wrote. "Or the result of a particularly egregious cock-up."

Iqbal Khattak, Bureau Chief of the Pakistani Daily Times, said the issue has not been reported locally.

Pakistan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs declined to comment for this article.

Pulikeshi · Post by **Pulikeshi** » 09 Feb 2010 06:45

Pressure on India worked...
Pressure on Munna did not...
But we can all pretend that it did

More chai biskoot, nimbupani and pakode

Not sure who is the banana republic anymore!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Feb 2010 06:52

Karna_A wrote:TSP has always shown a special love for those who help it.
Suhrawardy, the enforcer of Direct Action Day in Calcutta in 1946 resulting in one of largest riot killings was a well known Paki, Jinnah lover.
However, his close relative Salma and her family was hounded out and had to run to England and Canada.

Very true. But, Suhrawardy also was a Bengali and hence not so pious in West Pakistan, almost equal to a kafir. During the height of the Suez crisis, Gen. Iskander Mirza angrily accused his own Prime Minister Suhrawardy, who wanted to oppose the British stance on the Suez canal, as “irresponsible and irrational . . ". Prime Minister Huseyn Shahid Suhrawardy was forced to resign under threat of dismissal by Iskander Mirza. He was refused permission by the President to convene the Parliament and prove his majority. Later, ex-Prime Minister Shahid Hussain Suhrawardy was found mysteriously dead in a Beirut hotel due to suffocation.

It is another matter that Gen. Iskander Mirza, a direct descendant of Mir Jaffer, and a prominent contributor to the 'Idea of Pakistan' was himself humiliatingly exiled and made to work as a Manager in a London hotel (to make his ends meet) by the same person who benefitted the most from him, Field marshal Ayub Khan. The Field Marshal was given extension in his tenure as COAS by Iskander Mirza who was then Defence Secretary. Later, President Iskander Mirza inducted Gen. Ayub Khan in his ministry as Defence Minister even while he was also the COAS. On October 7, 1958, the very first Martial Law was enforced in Pakistan by Iskander Mirza who made Gen. Ayub Khan as the Chief Martial Law Administrator. Within two weeks, President Iskander Mirza himself was removed from power and exiled by Gen. Ayub Khan in a military coup.

What are a few lives in the Greater Cause after all ?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 09 Feb 2010 07:27

Soliloquy or Dementiloquy?
He keep forgetting the eternal Lota for begging and survival on Zakat
Robert Gates’ threat of war
MIRZA ASSLAM BEG (RETARD)

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... t-of-war/1

Mr Robert Gates, as well as the Indian military planners, while taking into cognisance the existing military balance between Pakistan and India, must also consider the new phenomenon of the Asymmetric War, which, during the last thirty years, has established the supremacy of Men and Missiles, over the most modern and technologically superior armed forces of the world, in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Kashmir. The Asymmetric War, in essence is the name of the Islamic Resistance, with its hardcore resting along the Durand Line. It is our strength. Thus, conventional as well as irregular armed forces, together provide the emerging shape of the Fourth Generation of modern warfare, as Joseph S Nye, the former Assistant Secretary of Defence USA and a professor of Harvard University, defines: “The hybrid wars, conventional and irregular forces combatants and civilians become thoroughly intertwined” to win wars and help establish the new order. In case, war is forced on Pakistan, it would be a long and decisive war, where new geo-political realities would emerge, establishing new frontiers of peace in the region. Similarly, India and Pakistan can fight only conventional wars and win or loose, but they dare not use nuclear weapons against each other, because it would destroy everything, leaving nothing but ashes, one could hope to capture and rebuild. And therefore, our people must not carry the wrong notion that Pakistan is powerful because it has nuclear capability. On the contrary, it is the conventional military capability, which provides security and lends resilience to the nation, a

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 09 Feb 2010 07:40

Anujan wrote:
Pakistan would also seek India’s assurance that New Delhi would not unilaterally suspend the peace process in case of a terrorist attack by “non-state actors”.

And India should demand reciprocal Paqui assurances that Paq will not unilaterally suspend the peace process in case of Indian retaliation against the said “non-state actors”.

arun · Post by **arun** » 09 Feb 2010 07:48

harbans wrote:Talks with Pakistan: Congress is in a bind

From the above link:

.................... The Congress has offered conditional support to the United Progress Alliance government on its decision to "commence" dialogue with Pakistan stating that the party was not "completely satisfied" with the approach and attitude of the Pakistani government and mandating that it wanted "terror to remain at the centre of the dialogue".

Party spokesman Manish Tewari said the government has made a determination based on the inputs it has received on the need to commence the dialogue process with Pakistan, emphasizing that the dialogue would "commence" and not "re-commence" as is being made out. He said in that context it is appropriate to let the process go forward. .............

So the Congress party expects the Indian electorate to believe that despite being in full control of the foreign policy and security establishment of India by virtue of having their party members occupying the position of Prime Minister, Foreign Minister, Home Minister and Defence Minister they are unable to fully control the actions of the UPA Government and are left with no recourse to articulate their concerns but to offer “conditional support”

.

So which political party in the UPA are we the electorate to believe has the muscle to silence Congress party reservations despite complete control of the security and foreign policy nodes of power and are pushing the current agenda vis a vis the Islamic Republic of Pakistan?

What utter nonsense from the Congress Party

.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Feb 2010 08:31

Saving Pakistan's Heartland

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... _heartland

Last year, the Taliban's Karachi chapter raised millions of dollars through extortion, protection rackets, kidnappings, and even bank heists. In effect, militants are adroitly exploiting the civilian security vacuum in the south to fund their war against the state in the north.

Pakistan's major cities also connect jihadists to the world beyond Pakistan. Taliban leaders use poorly secured airports and ports to seek sanctuary abroad. In October, approximately 60 of the Swat Taliban's second-tier leadership escaped to the Middle East through Karachi. Currently, other militants from Pakistan are relocating to countries such as Yemen and Somalia.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Feb 2010 08:47

Foreign Office counsels caution on India’s offer

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ffer-rs-04

“It was felt that we ought to be very careful because engagement with India without any prior agreement on resumption of Composite Dialogue would not be to our advantage,” a senior official told Dawn after lengthy discussions on the issue.

...

The Indian invitation for talks has nevertheless put Pakistan into a diplomatic dilemma. Accepting the offer compromises its stance on Composite Dialogue, while rejecting it may invite international pressure with world capitals perceiving Islamabad as ‘a blocker’. Describing the talks offer as a ‘bait’, an official candidly accepted that ‘it had put the Foreign Ministry in a fix’.

...
The Foreign Office will now hold an inter-agency consultative session on Wednesday involving other stakeholders, notably the defence ministry, for firming up a strategy on the talks offer.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Feb 2010 08:52

India agrees to provide Chenab flow data

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -920-hh-03

“We have collected the data but could not bring it along,” the Indian side was quoted as saying on Monday. It promised to provide the data soon.

No formal meetings were scheduled with the delegation Pakistan expressed its concerns during “informal talks during the inspection visit” and pointed out a decrease in Chenab flow of up to 25 per cent from the average.

The Indian side reiterated its stand that the decrease was “purely due to the climatic effect which impacts the entire region, rather than any theft on their part”, sources said.

Indians officials said the districts along the Chenab banks on their side of the border had also been severely affected by dropping flows.

Pakistan, however, wanted to be sure that “it was solely the drought’s effect, not any other obstruction”.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Feb 2010 09:00

arun wrote:
harbans wrote:Talks with Pakistan: Congress is in a bind
What utter nonsense from the Congress Party .

I now believe that the so-called opposition to the S-E-S joint statement within the Congress Party that was said to have forced the Prime Minister to clarify the position in the Parliament and stop the resumption of dialogue, was a stage-managed act to pre-empt the swelling opposition. The present 'conditional support' also falls within the same drama. The Party can be used to wriggle out of a tight corner if one develops later on.

debadutta · Post by **debadutta** » 09 Feb 2010 09:06

arun wrote:
harbans wrote:Talks with Pakistan: Congress is in a bind
From the above link:

.................... The Congress has offered conditional support to the United Progress Alliance government on its decision to "commence" dialogue with Pakistan stating that the party was not "completely satisfied" with the approach and attitude of the Pakistani government and mandating that it wanted "terror to remain at the centre of the dialogue".

Party spokesman Manish Tewari said the government has made a determination based on the inputs it has received on the need to commence the dialogue process with Pakistan, emphasizing that the dialogue would "commence" and not "re-commence" as is being made out. He said in that context it is appropriate to let the process go forward. .............
So the Congress party expects the Indian electorate to believe that despite being in full control of the foreign policy and security establishment of India by virtue of having their party members occupying the position of Prime Minister, Foreign Minister, Home Minister and Defence Minister they are unable to fully control the actions of the UPA Government and are left with no recourse to articulate their concerns but to offer “conditional support” .

So which political party in the UPA are we the electorate to believe has the muscle to silence Congress party reservations despite complete control of the security and foreign policy nodes of power and are pushing the current agenda vis a vis the Islamic Republic of Pakistan?

What utter nonsense from the Congress Party .

Looks like Indian people do not bother about these things, Or , we have become so used to terorrist attacks that our attention span is ~1 year.
Hence every time there is an attack , GOI waits for a year and then starts a 'comprehensive dialogue'.
But love the way that Cong (I) and it's media Chamcha's are potraying the Party as both Ruling as well as Opposition. Also explains the state of BJP . Inspite of being the main Opposition party, we have hardly heard anything from them.

Raman · Post by **Raman** » 09 Feb 2010 09:22

[quote="shyamd"]HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

Saudi Arabia Rejects Diplomat: Name Translates Into "Biggest Dick" In Arabic

This is most appropos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K8_jgiNqUc

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 09 Feb 2010 09:31

Kamran Shafi, the lonly sane man amobg 170 Million, gonna get himself killed in the land of pures ,Paquistan.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -920-za-01
It is within us

How can Afghanistan become friendly towards Pakistan when there is continuing ambivalence in wholeheartedly targeting the Taliban leadership, both Afghan and Pakistani, which as we well know are closely allied? How possibly can Afghanistan call Pakistan a friend when senior Pakistani army officers refer to these people, its enemies, as ‘assets’? On another tack, how can the ultimate leaders of groups that also attack innocent Pakistanis in Peshawar and Rawalpindi, Lahore and Karachi be the strategic assets of our brass hats?
How can Afghanistan consider Pakistan a friend when the Quetta shura of the Afghan Taliban which has now been outed by no less a personage than the minister of defence, is not even touched let alone degraded to an extent that it will cease being a threat to Afghanistan? When its leaders openly defy government authority and do as they will in Balochistan, extending their murderous tentacles into Iran too?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Feb 2010 09:31

So shyamd, What would Zebunissa mean?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 09 Feb 2010 09:46

is Awrat a Arabic word and what does it mean in that language ?

archan · Post by **archan** » 09 Feb 2010 09:58

Prem wrote:is Awrat a Arabic word and what does it mean in that language ?

It has its roots in "awrah" meaning private part. Probably awrah is anything that needs to be kept private, not just one's private body parts.

archan · Post by **archan** » 09 Feb 2010 09:58

ramana wrote:So shyamd, What would Zebunissa mean?

evil evil evil adminullah.

Bheem · Post by **Bheem** » 09 Feb 2010 10:09

Dipanker wrote: Pakistan did not kneel. Pakistan held its ground. And I will also say this, God willing, we will talk to them and present our case because our case is strong, it is not weak. Whether it be Kashmir or water or any other issue," said Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi.

Pakis don't kneel, they just bend over!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Feb 2010 10:14

archan wrote:
ramana wrote:So shyamd, What would Zebunissa mean?
evil evil evil adminullah.

Wiki says it means "Glory of Womankind" and was the name of Aurangzeb's eldest daughter.

I think Indics were cheated in the naming conventions.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 09 Feb 2010 10:15

R-Man/SSridhar, thanks for your thoughtful analyses on good bad good bad Talibunnies. I just heard an on the spot report on NPR/BBC from the scene of the impending attack in Helmad provice (embedded reporter onlee

). The reporeter was saying that Stanley boy has amassed lethal, breathtaking firepower. I can't imagine TSP being too happy about this no matter how thrilled they feel about sticking it to India

. But with Superbowl over, next few days maccho man Stanley will get his fame on Fox and CNN with running commentary by terrorism "expert" Peter Bergen.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Feb 2010 10:17

Anyway time for

"After threatening war, they now want talks"

Looks like very clearly TSP was surprised that India agreed to talks. And are now saying anything to prevent them from moving forward.

ya

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 09 Feb 2010 10:19

durgesh wrote:A challenging doctrine

.....<SNIP>.....

In a war limited by time, mobility is the single-most important factor which if used to its full potential will help attain the political aim in the desired time and space framework. But this requires a perfect matching of the physical means of mobility with the mobility of the mind, as the value of a highly mobile force can be reduced to zero by commanders whose minds are characterised by lack of imagination, initiative and flexibility. “Adherence to dogmas has destroyed more armies and lost more battles and lives than any other cause in war. No man of fixed opinions can make a good general.” (J.F.C. Fuller)
.....Given this, while Cold Start is a sound concept, though not original, the Indian war directors need to question the ability of their commanders at all levels to execute it efficiently and sustain the advantage gained from striking first. ..............<SNIP>

To counter Cold Start, the Pakistan Army will have to create more armour-dominated brigade-sized reserves from the existing resources if possible, and a more flexible military system and structure.......<SNIP>

durgesh, thank you for the article. Some plain and simple speaking (apart from the nuclear sabre rattling)from ex-PA officer. Not the usual bombastic nonsense.

As for the capability of Indian commanders in terms of maneuver warfare, to use the 1965 and 1971 analogy is gross stupid. He had enough example from history closer in timeline. The orientation of all the 3 Armored Divisions in Southern Punjab-Central & Northern Rajasthan in 2002 which was so bold a move that it led to mass scale browning of pants in PA (what do you think made mushyrat to come on TV and talk bhaichara) to the spate of excercises that IA has conducted over last so many years now.Even as we speak, IA strike formations are sitting in desert on 3 month long excerciseto validate their concepts.

The bolded part confirms the conclusion that I had drawn from reading on the net. That PA is raising Corps Reserve formations centered around armored brigades to counter the CS. V Corps and XXXI Corps already have their Corps Reserve up and running which btw are akin to PA Armored Divisions.Though, wether PA has been able to kit these formations with all the necessary stuff is anyones guess. More on it later.

archan · Post by **archan** » 09 Feb 2010 10:20

Dipanker wrote: Pakistan did not kneel. Pakistan held its ground. And I will also say this, God willing, we will talk to them and present our case because our case is strong, it is not weak. Whether it be Kashmir or water or any other issue," said Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi.

I wonder if anyone asked him whether their case was weak. If not, I wonder why he finds the need to emphasize it that their case is not weak, they are not kneeling yada yada. Who is he trying to send a message to, Indians or their own army?
Pakis often remind me of Javed Akhtar's lines:
"Aksar woh kahtay hai woh bas meray hain. Aksar kyon kehtay hain? hairat hoti hai."
{Often they tell me that they are only mine. Why do they have to say it so often, I wonder..}