The Indian invitation for talks has nevertheless put Pakistan into a diplomatic dilemma. Accepting the offer compromises its stance on Composite Dialogue, while rejecting it may invite international pressure with world capitals perceiving Islamabad as ‘a blocker’. Describing the talks offer as a ‘bait’, an official candidly accepted that ‘it had put the Foreign Ministry in a fix’.
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Foreign Office counsels caution on India’s offer from Todays' Dawn
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More on the Shazia Masih case.brihaspati wrote:Meanwhile, and "Italian" view of a sample of the "civil society" of TSP relying on whom India is supposed to "build bridges" and take the "peace process" forward :
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Lahore,- ... 17559.html
02/06/2010 12:38
PAKISTAN
Lahore, Muslim lawyers will "burn alive" anyone who defends murdered 12 year old Christian by Fareed Khan
No lawyer comes forward to defend Shazia Bashir, the servant girl murdered by her employer. The powerful association of lawyers in Lahore, arrayed in defence of the murderer, launches death threats and prevents access to the Court. Christian Association condemns this new form of terrorism.
For a country whose Objectives Resolution states that Allah has let out the authority to them to rule , and whose Hudood laws disapproved the testimony of a non Muslim in a rape case if the accused was Muslim, this is just another day of glory. And after the association of lawyers has publicly come out in support of the rape accused, no Judge would like to face an attack like a former Lahore HC judge Arif Iqbal Bhatti, who committed the blasphemous act of acquitting non Muslims thereby chiding the Muslim extremists, and was subsequently shot dead.
Shazia Masih Rape & Killing
This despicable injustice was committed by one of the leading advocates of the so-called justice in Pakistan, a country that institutes many sharia principles and has strict blasphemy laws to protect the state ideology of Islam. This tragic incident shows the evil of the very most upstanding citizens of that Islamic hell on earth.
That the evil lawyers even believe that they can employ little children as slave-like maids shows that they are unfamiliar with even basic principles of human rights. How could they uphold justice in the modern world?
There will be no justice for the poor and weak, of non-Muslims in particular, in Pakistan whilst Islamic morality rules the roost; for, Islam’s barbaric morality is meant to crush and exploit the weakest, particularly non-Muslims, at the hands of Muslim males.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
Until now, the Afghan Taliban have been involved in a classic hit and run strategy to hit the Americans.IEDs, suicide bombings, 26/11 type complex assaults, occasional Nooristan type takeover of Afghan towns and so on. Whenever the Americans tried to fight them, the Afghan Taliban would just melt away in the terrain. With the latest Helmand offensive on the cards, do the Americans really think that the Taliban fighters would be waiting to be slaughtered by superior Yankee firepower? If not, then are the Americans just trying to secure the poppy fields in the region thereby trying to cut the finances for the Taliban? And if that is also not the case, are the Americans willing to cross the red line and enter the real hot bed of Afghan insurgency, i.e the North Waziristan protectorates of Haqqanis and Hafiz Gul Bahadur? I wonder whether the Yankee administration will be satisfied with just few skirmishes with Afghan Taliban after indulging in a much publicized "troop surge".
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
The Helmand Offensive reminds me of the various operations that the brave PA launched against the pious 'bad Taliban' by announcing the dates, times, durations and venues of the attacks. The US taught the PA for decades and now they are taking a leaf out of their double-crossing friends.RamaP wrote: With the latest Helmand offensive on the cards, do the Americans really think that the Taliban fighters would be waiting to be slaughtered by superior Yankee firepower?
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
Punjab Government bans Basant
Shooting in air on marriages or festive occassions has resulted in more deaths perhaps than due to kite-strings. Not that horrible deaths due to kite strings are condonable, but, the real reason comes out later in the report from the discussion in the Punjab AssemblyThe Punjab government on Monday categorically stated that the province will not celebrate Basant or any other cultural activity which poses a potential threat to human life.
Earlier, on a point of order, Pakistan People Party MPA Hassan Murtaza opposed the ban on Basant festivities, saying that the government should take a “bold” decision by lifting the ban in order to ensure that the centuries-old cultural activity remains a part of Punjab’s heritage. Unfortunately, Basant has always been looked down upon as a “Hindu festival”, the MPA said. MPA Sheikh Allauddin voiced support for the government ban, saying that Basant was a “Hindu festival”.
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Inter Ministerial meeting in Pakistan on India talks
Pakistan is in a dilemma over the Indian offer of talks which is confined to discuss terrorism and is in the process of formulating a response.
Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi will chair the inter-ministerial meeting at the Foreign Office on Wednesday to assess the Indian offer of talks, after which a clearer picture of Pakistan’s response is expected to emerge.
The meeting is expected to be attended by representatives of the interior and defence ministries and the intelligence agencies, including the ISI.
During Monday’s consultations, Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir favoured the adoption of a cautious approach by Pakistan and made it clear that any parleys with India should lead to the eventual resumption of the composite dialogue that was stalled in the wake of the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, sources told PTI.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
12 PA soldiers killed in South Waziristan
Twelve soldiers embraced martyrdom while two others were injured in a clash with militants during the ongoing operation Rah-e-Nijat in South Waziristan Agency (SWA), the ISPR said on Monday.
Six terrorists were also killed in the exchange of firing that took place between the security forces and terrorists in Ahmed Wam area. Meanwhile, ten soldiers wounded during an engagement with terrorists in Langar Khel on Sunday succumbed to their injuries, said the ISPR, adding the total casualties of soldiers were 15.
According to the ISPR, the security forces successfully secured important feature point 5376, three kilometres north of Ahmed Wam, while clearance operation in Khawasai area was underway.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
Celebrating Basant is seen as a "Hindu" characteristic (allied with saffron, pagan worship) which reminds the pakjabi maulvis of their recent antecedents (origins) whereas firing in the air is a sign of eternal "mardangi" (or manhood). So what if a few bystanders are killed? Pakjabis, take your pick.SSridhar wrote:Punjab Government bans BasantShooting in air on marriages or festive occassions has resulted in more deaths perhaps than due to kite-strings. Basant has always been looked down upon as a “Hindu festival”.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
The pakis feed off the uncertainty. Seems to me that the GoI called the paki bluff of constantly bleating for a dialog with India at every international and national fora. Now they are in a "dilemma" on how to respond. They never wanted the dialog to resume in the first place. It would have affected their raison d'etre. Hence, the emergency interministerial meeting. Something akin to asking India to hold the plebiscite in J&K at every turn. I bet if India agrees to it (the pleb) provided the pakis withdraw first (lock stock and pakjabis) and hold one at the same time under UN monitoring (per the so called "UN resolutions"), the pakis wouldn't know how to react. That would put them in a deeper internal chaos. That would truly affect their raison d'etre for a long time.SSridhar wrote:Inter Ministerial meeting in Pakistan on India talksPakistan is in a dilemma
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
why and what does Pak polity gain from not talking?ramana wrote:Anyway time for![]()
"After threatening war, they now want talks"
Looks like very clearly TSP was surprised that India agreed to talks. And are now saying anything to prevent them from moving forward.ya
Atleast in Pak Public opinion they have India by the throat. Was this a game changing move by India? It appears the Pakis were caught unaware by the announcement. They are trying their best to derail it. The State & non-state actors will do something to derail it.
This begs the question as to our threshold level. What will make India break the talks? Or what is it that will make Pak break the talks (self infliciting attack). Already there are reports of LeT attacking Indian Trains. Also Taliban confirms their leader is dead.
Are the decks set for the next move?
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
Are there any reports on people killed in India during basant because of kite flying and stuff? Or is our Basant celebration more 'peaceful'? I thought that kite killings were more to do with betting on kites than the celebration itself. People use glass shards to harden the kite strings and while trying to cut the other kite at long distances and low heights, the string passing invisibly past a road etc. I don't think that happens much in India anymore. At least am not aware if it does.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
This "game" reminds me of poker. Calling your opponent's bluff or bluster. India may have inadvertently called the paki bluff. The pakis never wanted the talks to happen. Period. Thats why 26/11 and Kargil happened. These were timed with progress on the negotiating tables. It serves their (paki) cause to have India walk away from the table and cut off talks. Makes them look the compromising sort. Get more baksheesh. The paki awam, being unaware and unhoned in the art of common sense, is fed on three ideals: The army is the saviour of everything paki and islamic; India (and the Hindu) is your mortal enemy, and a bigger prize awaits you at the portal to jannat (so please forget about material gains). The rest, as they say, time will tell as their nation marches valiantly into the gates of obscurity.skaranam wrote:why and what does Pak polity gain from not talking? Was this a game changing move by India?
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
US being sucked into Pakistan’s world of illusions
By B Raman
Most of what's wriiten in there we already knew. But I did not know this:
By B Raman
Most of what's wriiten in there we already knew. But I did not know this:
When Gen.Zia-ul-Haq overthrew Bhutto in 1977 and assumed power, many of their political leaders appealed frantically to the leaders of India and Afghanistan to help them escape from the country. If the authorities of India and Afghanistan had not helped them to escape to Europe, they would have landed in the gallows as Bhutto did. When they returned to Pakistan from political exile after the death of Zia in 1988, they projected themselves as national heroes, who had hoodwinked the Army, gone into political exile and kept up the fight against the Army and for the return of democracy. They never spoke a word about the help rendered by India and Afghanistan. If India and Afghanistan had not helped, many of the political leaders of Pakistan may not be alive today.
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^ Well then why does it read 'US' it should have read "India" instead , as they say
"Some people learn from others mistakes and fools not even from their own".
"Some people learn from others mistakes and fools not even from their own".
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
One thought occured to me, I don't now how valid.
I wondered why Indian leaders constantly bail out pakistani leaders with = = at the most unfortunate moments.
Here I see Pakistan bailing out indian leaders from US pressure to hold talks.
Pakistan foreign office will agree to hold talks to hold further talks to help off load that pressure off GoI for now, in return for some GoI leader to agree to not pile up pressure on Pakistan at a critical moment in the future.
This is the sort of understanding that politicians of various political parties have between them. They all rave and rant, but wink at each other and cut deals amongst themselves all the time.
Who loses out is anyone's guess.
I wondered why Indian leaders constantly bail out pakistani leaders with = = at the most unfortunate moments.
Here I see Pakistan bailing out indian leaders from US pressure to hold talks.
Pakistan foreign office will agree to hold talks to hold further talks to help off load that pressure off GoI for now, in return for some GoI leader to agree to not pile up pressure on Pakistan at a critical moment in the future.
This is the sort of understanding that politicians of various political parties have between them. They all rave and rant, but wink at each other and cut deals amongst themselves all the time.
Who loses out is anyone's guess.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
That would be Botox Babe for one.anupmisra wrote:US being sucked into Pakistan’s world of illusions
By B Raman
Most of what's wriiten in there we already knew. But I did not know this:
When Gen.Zia-ul-Haq overthrew Bhutto in 1977 and assumed power, many of their political leaders appealed frantically to the leaders of India and Afghanistan to help them escape from the country.
She repaid India back with interest by calling for a 1000 year war against India and making that cutting movement with her palms, and being the mother of the taliban and using her body to ship nuclear and missile secrets on the CD to N Korea and back.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
Recently, On the occasion of Army Day function,the Indian Army chief made a statement about Indian Mechanized units' capabilities. He said that most of the MBTs in the Indian Army were night blind. Also, I came across an article that mentioned about the depleting number of units in the Indian Artillery. I am wondering whether these reports are mere hogwash or do they really represent the state of affairs in the Indian Army.
Basant in Lahore .....
BASANT : "Only festival where people come together"
The News on Sunday: How can we make basant safe? (the very first question in this interview shows...that....true to their uncouth nature, pakis have made it a festival for rowdyism...just like cricket becomes a game of ball and pitch tampering)
Yousuf Salahuddin: To start with, you have to ban motorcycles from Saturday night to Sunday evening because a majority of accidental deaths have been of motorcyclists.
Secondly, there are two companies manufacturing these dangerous strings. The issue is not kite-flying or celebrating the festival; it’s about the deadly string. Children are buying these strings regardless of the danger these put their lives in. So, the manufacturers should be held accountable.
Thirdly, aerial firing has to be stopped. This was done during Shabhaz Sharif’s last term. If he gives the stick to the police, this can be regulated.
TNS: What does basant mean for Pakistan and Lahore?
YS: For Lahore, basant means an amazing boost to the economy and the placing of Lahore onto the cultural map of the world. India has been trying to copy basant for years. The truth is that basant is in the blood of every Lahori. This is one festival where the rich and the poor interact. They do not interact even on eid. The elite class offers eid prayers at FC College or Aitchison College mosque while the general population goes to other mosques. Basant is the only festival which the rich and poor celebrate together.
This is a festival of the poor. Look at how much misery we are going through; drugs are common; children are being picked up from streets; law and order is non-existent. In this scenario, mothers feel safe when their children stay at home. Flying kites at least keeps them in the house. Most of all basant does not cost anyone anything. Even if you don’t fly kites, the enjoyment in just being part of the fun on the rooftops is simply amazing. It is this beauty that we can sell to the world.
TNS: How can basant benefit the economy of Lahore and Pakistan?
YS: It’s actually costing the government nothing and the government can make money. The Punjab government should be announcing basant a year in advance so that people all over the world can make plans. The ban on basant is a great cultural loss for Lahore and Pakistan. Basant is the best event to show to the world the real face of Pakistan. The Punjab government, the federal government and the inept Tourism Department need to stop wasting public money and invest in preparations for a proper basant.
The Punjab government would have to, in its first year, invite hundred journalists from different parts of the world. They should organise a basant for them. If we plan it carefully it will become the Mardi Gras of Pakistan. If the government helps plan it, I can easily get people like Madonna and all the top stars. Imagine Madonna coming to Pakistan for basant. This will attract major media coverage around the world. (members..who is this guy??...claims he can easily bring madonna ... to pakistan...a big boast considering the fact that she follows the jewish kabballah sect's rituals)
The things we can sell from Pakistan are basant and Sufi music. Any foreigner that will visit Pakistan during these two days will go back saluting Pakistan.
TNS: Where did you get the idea of promoting basant?
YS: For me the idea of a properly organised basant festival came when the Duke of Somerset and his wife came for basant at my place once. Prior to that, I would never have a big basant; it was a day usually enjoyed with my family. I started celebrating it on a relatively larger scale and started inviting friends from Pakistan and abroad after their visit.
TNS: Basant is also termed as an anti-Islamic or Hindu event. How do you respond to this criticism?
YS: Let us admit the fact that we were all Hindus several generations ago and that the people became Muslims through the ways of the Sufis and that’s how Islam came to the subcontinent. When our ancestors converted to Islam, the things that were not clashing with the basic principles of Islam were retained. If anyone insists that the wahabi practices which are practiced in Saudi Arabia should be implemented then that’s not going to happen. Allama Iqbal used to celebrate basant.
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So far these people were facing either the guns from Pakis intimidating them to carry guns to K and guns from Indian Jawans. Hope it provides an alternative.pgbhat wrote:x-posting from J&K thread.
India considering general amnesty for KashmirisNEW DELHI: India is planning a major confidence-building measure (CBM) in a bid to sooth the Kashmiris angered by the killing of youth in “unprovoked firing”, considering general amnesty for young Kashmiris and families who have crossed the Line of Control to settle in Muzaffarabad and elsewhere.IHK Chief Minister Omar Abdullah has hinted at a scheme to encourage the return of militants from across the LoC to lead a normal life. He told a chief ministers’ conference in New Delhi that a new “surrender and rehabilitation policy” was under active consideration.
A senior Indian Home Ministry official confirmed that work on such a policy was underway, and said security agencies – in consultation with the IHK government – were devising a mechanism for the return of militants and others who had crossed over in search of careers or “safe havens”.
He said the step – recommended by the prime minister’s working group headed by Vice President Hamid Ansari and perused vigorously by the state government and Kashmiri politicians – would go a long way towards addressing the political dimension of issues affecting Jammu and Kashmir.
“We have agreed in principle to devise a mechanism for their return. It could be a general amnesty. Safeguards would be put in place to avoid any negative consequence,” he said. “The process has already started ... former militants [have been known to] appear at the LoC with their families ... to surrender.”
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Some time back in this thread (or was it the Indus Water treaty thread ??)...i remember there were questions asked & answers provided on the Indus river, its delta and present state.... Here we go...a stark article on the same.
The vanishing ecosystem of the Indus Delta
The vanishing ecosystem of the Indus Delta
Thirty one out of 42 settlements in the Keti Bunder region have been already engulfed by the intruding sea. According to estimates, about 80 acres per day are being eroded by the intruding sea, destroying agricultural land and 25-year-old mature mangrove forests. The mangroves are also well-known as protective walls from storms and cyclones, as well as hatcheries for fish and shrimps
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.....I visited Bhoori village of Khobhar Creek about an year-and-a-half ago. With around 300 to 400 households, the village is one of the biggest in all four major creeks of Keti Bunder. There I met an old man, Mohammad Talib Jatt, and asked him to tell me about the Indus Delta. Jatt's response for emotional -- he requested that I not ask him talk Indus Delta. "I may not be able to explain to you. It is unbearable for me to share with you the golden days of my life that I spend there," he said. He did, however, come up with an explanation when pressed....
"About 25 to 30 years ago, when I was young, my family used to grow red rice (which was exported to neighbouring countries during the 1980s). We had a happy life," he said. "Almost every household used to have buffaloes, cows, goats, sheep and camels. All of them are, however, dead now, because of the saline seawater."
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Ali Hussain Jatt is a young men from the same village. "I learnt from our forefathers that they lived very happy life and they never have seen such days," he said. Referring to sea intrusion, he said that not only agriculture land and livestock vanished, but mature mangroves forests are also being destroyed now. The destruction of mangroves has also adversely affected the production of fish and shrimps in the area, Ali Hussain Jatt said.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
The kite flying season in North India (Punjab, Jammu & Kashmir) is from Lohri (Makar Sakranti, Pongal, etc) to Basant.
From the old Bikrami (Vikramaditya) Calendar, Lohri is the beginning of the month of Poh (cold and thus bonfire with peanuts, ghachak and reorian)., while Basant is the beginning of the month of Phagun/Chetar.
These have nothing at all whatsoever to do with any religion., 100% cultural.
Lohri is generally when people are free after sowing (Wheat) season., and thus celebrate (all over india)
Basant in North India is start of the season when Crops (including mustard) starts to become ready.
Generally., people wear Basant Color (Orange, Bhagwa) and celebrate it with many festivities.
Over at Amritsar, The time between Lohri and Basant for teenagers is the time of kite season. Some rich people use to spent (back in 1975/76) upto RS. 2000 on special thread so that they have the lone kite at the end of the day.
kids roam around the streets following the cut kites and often there were brawls between two parties on deciding who got to the kite first.
Kids would sit at Golden Temple/Durgiana Mandir Parikarma all day(with other kids) hoping to catch couple of kites., while braving the tough Sewadars.
But this madness at Lahore is beyond comprehension., they are legislating to ban the festival of Basant. Just like at the time of Aurungzeb Holi and Diwali was banned at Delhi.
From the old Bikrami (Vikramaditya) Calendar, Lohri is the beginning of the month of Poh (cold and thus bonfire with peanuts, ghachak and reorian)., while Basant is the beginning of the month of Phagun/Chetar.
These have nothing at all whatsoever to do with any religion., 100% cultural.
Lohri is generally when people are free after sowing (Wheat) season., and thus celebrate (all over india)
Basant in North India is start of the season when Crops (including mustard) starts to become ready.
Generally., people wear Basant Color (Orange, Bhagwa) and celebrate it with many festivities.
Over at Amritsar, The time between Lohri and Basant for teenagers is the time of kite season. Some rich people use to spent (back in 1975/76) upto RS. 2000 on special thread so that they have the lone kite at the end of the day.
kids roam around the streets following the cut kites and often there were brawls between two parties on deciding who got to the kite first.
Kids would sit at Golden Temple/Durgiana Mandir Parikarma all day(with other kids) hoping to catch couple of kites., while braving the tough Sewadars.
But this madness at Lahore is beyond comprehension., they are legislating to ban the festival of Basant. Just like at the time of Aurungzeb Holi and Diwali was banned at Delhi.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
This is OT for this thread.RamaP wrote:Recently, On the occasion of Army Day function,the Indian Army chief made a statement about Indian Mechanized units' capabilities. He said that most of the MBTs in the Indian Army were night blind. Also, I came across an article that mentioned about the depleting number of units in the Indian Artillery. I am wondering whether these reports are mere hogwash or do they really represent the state of affairs in the Indian Army.
But I think Gen Kapoor referred to improving the Night Fighting capabilities of the tanks and mechanized units from where they stand today. All are night fighting capable as of today. Newer generation night fighting equipment has long arrived which allow for near color vision in even lower lights I suppose he wants upgradation to those levels.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
Again that scoundrel Qureshi is fuming with lies that India is dying for talks.
I don't think India requires to talk to these dogs!
MMS is selling us off?
Quereshi requires a swift kick in the teeth!
Why is Quereshi wrecking the talks? A lackey of ISI?
I don't think India requires to talk to these dogs!
MMS is selling us off?
Quereshi requires a swift kick in the teeth!
Why is Quereshi wrecking the talks? A lackey of ISI?
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
I am not sure if this is OT here or if i should post the below in the US - India relations thread....but here we go.
I am puzzled about the manner in which the US geo-political strategists & diplomats have worked in a completely 180 degree direction in comparison to the actions & wishes of the US corporations - when it comes to their engagements with India.
On the one hand...the US companies have started building huges R&D centres and manufacturing plants in India and started leveraging them to not only make profit but also gain crucial advantage against their competitors both within US and outside US. I am just naming a few here... like GE, MS, IBM, Google, Cisco, Ford Motors, GM, Caterpillar, HP, Accenture, Metlife, New York Life, Franklin Templeton, Fidelity, Citigroup, Cummins, J & J, Colgate, Pfizer, Dupont, numerous VCs including Blackstone and countless more cos. waiting in the wings to invest huge (like the Nuclear power plant builders, defence contractors & more Pharma MNCs). All this means - they are basically getting their own well being & future prosperity tied up with India's well-being,its growth, its capacity to produce R&D & productively skilled people and the consumption story in general.
When we see the way the US militarily attacked Iraq, continues to fight in Afghanistan and some areas in Pakistan even - it appears to me that it is not co-incidental that there are almost nill Western investments and prosperity-dependency factors in these areas which are being bombed.
But on the other hand we see the US political strategists feeding the Pakis with more offensive weapons and similar capabilities - which may one day (god forbid) potentially be used by the Pakis in terror attacks and unprovoked wars against India, Indian facilities built with Western money and possibly their own investments & facilities in India. It is the US that is the main culprit in committing such self-damaging stupid acts. I do not find the Germans, French, South Koreans or Japanese doing such things beyond a small level. A friendly former US senator (Frank Pallone...is it?) said recently that the US is stupidly feeding Pakis with weapons that could tragically end up being used against India.
Indian babus and politicians should indicate this dichotomy in their intentions, its stupidity and eventual self-goal to the American politicians, diplomats & govt. strategists in a very open and clear manner.
I believe, in a few more years - this embrace in economy & technology based relationships between the Investors from all around the World and India would only get tighter. I believe in such circumstances, if our babus can effectively highlight and exploit it - there could potentially be a more effective flow of intelligence on potential attacks, war threats and etc between India and these investing countries. But India should nevertheless - revamp its home security, home & foreign intelligence gathering, defence capabilities in a big way on its own and not even dream about any potential help in these areas from like-minded nations.
India should also get the Mid-east countries to invest more in India and embrace them in a integrated manner where each other's propserity depends on the well-being of both. This also has to be followed with Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and other reasonable neighbouring countries other than Pakistan.
This is a effective way as of now (since we refuse to pay back in kind to their terrorist attacks and bloody the nose of the Pakis) to make ourself safe from further terrorist attacks from the pakis and who knows even from certain nasty suprises by the Chinese (keeping in mind that the Hockey World Cup, IPL 2010, Commonwealth games, Cricket World Cup are all scheduled in the present and coming few years).
If this idea of mutual-embrace is done in a bold, effective and India-strengthening way - It could also help deter China from trying any major stupid antics against us in the future because of the involved economic pain and even if it were to try - we could exploit the built up linkages with some of these 'embraced' countries to some advantage towards our efforts to fight against them.
I am puzzled about the manner in which the US geo-political strategists & diplomats have worked in a completely 180 degree direction in comparison to the actions & wishes of the US corporations - when it comes to their engagements with India.
On the one hand...the US companies have started building huges R&D centres and manufacturing plants in India and started leveraging them to not only make profit but also gain crucial advantage against their competitors both within US and outside US. I am just naming a few here... like GE, MS, IBM, Google, Cisco, Ford Motors, GM, Caterpillar, HP, Accenture, Metlife, New York Life, Franklin Templeton, Fidelity, Citigroup, Cummins, J & J, Colgate, Pfizer, Dupont, numerous VCs including Blackstone and countless more cos. waiting in the wings to invest huge (like the Nuclear power plant builders, defence contractors & more Pharma MNCs). All this means - they are basically getting their own well being & future prosperity tied up with India's well-being,its growth, its capacity to produce R&D & productively skilled people and the consumption story in general.
When we see the way the US militarily attacked Iraq, continues to fight in Afghanistan and some areas in Pakistan even - it appears to me that it is not co-incidental that there are almost nill Western investments and prosperity-dependency factors in these areas which are being bombed.
But on the other hand we see the US political strategists feeding the Pakis with more offensive weapons and similar capabilities - which may one day (god forbid) potentially be used by the Pakis in terror attacks and unprovoked wars against India, Indian facilities built with Western money and possibly their own investments & facilities in India. It is the US that is the main culprit in committing such self-damaging stupid acts. I do not find the Germans, French, South Koreans or Japanese doing such things beyond a small level. A friendly former US senator (Frank Pallone...is it?) said recently that the US is stupidly feeding Pakis with weapons that could tragically end up being used against India.
Indian babus and politicians should indicate this dichotomy in their intentions, its stupidity and eventual self-goal to the American politicians, diplomats & govt. strategists in a very open and clear manner.
I believe, in a few more years - this embrace in economy & technology based relationships between the Investors from all around the World and India would only get tighter. I believe in such circumstances, if our babus can effectively highlight and exploit it - there could potentially be a more effective flow of intelligence on potential attacks, war threats and etc between India and these investing countries. But India should nevertheless - revamp its home security, home & foreign intelligence gathering, defence capabilities in a big way on its own and not even dream about any potential help in these areas from like-minded nations.
India should also get the Mid-east countries to invest more in India and embrace them in a integrated manner where each other's propserity depends on the well-being of both. This also has to be followed with Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and other reasonable neighbouring countries other than Pakistan.
This is a effective way as of now (since we refuse to pay back in kind to their terrorist attacks and bloody the nose of the Pakis) to make ourself safe from further terrorist attacks from the pakis and who knows even from certain nasty suprises by the Chinese (keeping in mind that the Hockey World Cup, IPL 2010, Commonwealth games, Cricket World Cup are all scheduled in the present and coming few years).
If this idea of mutual-embrace is done in a bold, effective and India-strengthening way - It could also help deter China from trying any major stupid antics against us in the future because of the involved economic pain and even if it were to try - we could exploit the built up linkages with some of these 'embraced' countries to some advantage towards our efforts to fight against them.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
Long answer. LaterSaraLax wrote:
I am puzzled about the manner in which the US geo-political strategists & diplomats have worked in a completely 180 degree direction in comparison to the actions & wishes of the US corporations - when it comes to their engagements with India.
That does not mean that India should sell its soul and play slaves to these MNCsI believe, in a few more years - this embrace in economy & technology based relationships between the Investors from all around the World and India would only get tighter.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
All he has done is putting a target mark on himself. He will be marked. To get the full impact one should watch the video clip - vomiting hatred.RayC wrote:Again that scoundrel Qureshi is fuming with lies that India is dying for talks.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
Where is the video link, I went back several posts.Kanson wrote:All he has done is putting a target mark on himself. He will be marked. To get the full impact one should watch the video clip - vomiting hatred.RayC wrote:Again that scoundrel Qureshi is fuming with lies that India is dying for talks.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
Mian Qureshi is running swiftly towards the lamp-post.

http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4338040.cmsCRamS wrote:Where is the video link, I went back several posts.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
Very easy. Thats because both are getting what they want. The MNCs are getting cheap labor and brains. The strategists and diplomats are getting what they want; see how India has buckeld in kissing up to TSP, and not a murmur on US telling India to f%^k off from Afganisthan to appease TSP. So, as a whole US is getting everything it needs from India at the moment. India has zero leverage. At least TSP has terrorists to scare US a tad, but India has nothing.SaraLax wrote:
I am puzzled about the manner in which the US geo-political strategists & diplomats have worked in a completely 180 degree direction in comparison to the actions & wishes of the US corporations - when it comes to their engagements with India.
On US supplying arms to TSP; its again a calibrated exercise. Its only to keep SDREs bottled up lest they take themselves too seriously; recall what RamanaGaru said, Indians could be Tigers but instead are rendered a bunch of goats with stripes. And US wants to keep it that way. And India never fails to prove that; just witness how the SDREs crumbled to TFTA Daryl Steyn in Nagpur


Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
In USA the Republicans party always looks for fresh ideas in international diplomacy and global capitalism is their forte.On the one hand...the US companies have started building huges R&D centres and manufacturing plants in India and started leveraging them to not only make profit but also gain crucial advantage against their competitors both within US and outside US. I am just naming a few here... like GE, MS, IBM, Google, Cisco, Ford Motors, GM, Caterpillar, HP, Accenture, Metlife, New York Life, Franklin Templeton, Fidelity, Citigroup, Cummins, J & J, Colgate, Pfizer, Dupont, numerous VCs including Blackstone and countless more cos. waiting in the wings to invest huge (like the Nuclear power plant builders, defence contractors & more Pharma MNCs). All this means - they are basically getting their own well being & future prosperity tied up with India's well-being,its growth, its capacity to produce R&D & productively skilled people and the consumption story in general.
Democratic party represent Trade Unions and thus cap on H1 visas and more to status-quo vis-a-vis international diplomacy.
So!! Any Desis in USA who supported/voted for Barack Hussain Obama are willing to risk the lives of their folks back home.
In the next round of elections (10 months now) Republican party is definetely going to win., as democratic party recently lost the absolute control of the senate (earlier they could even put down Filibuster).
And!! Since Gen. Steyn is deploying the "prooven" Pakistani strategy of SWAT at Helmund!! Afghanistan is going to come back to haunt democrats.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
All complete BS; just posturing. They want to show they are no pushovers; Unkil pushes them, and they lash out against SDREs, gives them some sense of potency. Of course TSP TFTA are helped by us SDREs in no small measure, we have shown that we can take a lot; impending 'super power' onlee. I mean if India can swallow the death, havoc, and humiliation heaped on it on 26/11 and countless times before and yet agree to talks, show profuse love for TSP through morons ki tamasha and other gestures, and run scared for saying anything that might impinge on TSP's etch&dee, India can't swallow some hateful rhetroic from Mian Quereshi? Give me a break. Actually, the bakaras in India media might actually claim that it is India, by saying talks will focus on terror, that forced TSP to do an equal equal.durgesh wrote:Mian Qureshi is running swiftly towards the lamp-post.![]()
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
CRamS,CRamS wrote:Very easy. Thats because both are getting what they want. The MNCs are getting cheap labor and brains. The strategists and diplomats are getting what they want; see how India has buckeld in kissing up to TSP, and not a murmur on US telling India to f%^k off from Afganisthan to appease TSP. So, as a whole US is getting everything it needs from India at the moment. India has zero leverage. At least TSP has terrorists to scare US a tad, but India has nothing...............SaraLax wrote:
I am puzzled about the manner in which the US geo-political strategists & diplomats have worked in a completely 180 degree direction in comparison to the actions & wishes of the US corporations - when it comes to their engagements with India.
......And India never fails to prove that; just witness how the SDREs crumbled to TFTA Daryl Steyn in Nagpur. Oh, oh, no cricket discussion please, I just meant to provoke
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..... So you mean to say that the Americans will ensure that the Pakis will not attack India with the American weapons or never attack in any manner the American (and maybe even other Western ?) establishments in India & American investment run establishments ?.
Look at how the American soldiers are being killed every week in bomb blasts at Afghanistan, Pakistan & elsewhere..... Are the Americans so perfectly, precisely and continuously over many years, devious in keeping Indians under their complete control by using the Pakis ???. If they are so cunningly proper & competent - do you think they would have not prevented the Pakis & warned their own double agent to stay away from the Jewish centre in Mumbai during 26/11 ?.
As for the Cricket analogy - There have also been numerous instances where Kumble has run through many sides like a true assassin or like in recent times, how Zaheer khan sliced the aussies on a morning at Mohali in 2008 and did something similar to the English at their own backyard the last time we went there. It's not as one-sided as you think....and i feel, it would only get better.
IMO, the Americans are also fallible and in certain situations, without much hardship.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
I actually like the silence from GoI after the initial announcement and clarification. Pakistan is parading its castrated-non-existant-H&D'rection, and this frenzy might help rally public opinion behind its political structure, and away from Paki Army which is beginning to getting side lined.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
Long answer.SaraLax wrote:
I am puzzled about the manner in which the US geo-political strategists & diplomats have worked in a completely 180 degree direction in comparison to the actions & wishes of the US corporations - when it comes to their engagements with India.
When I have talked to US security persons and police they have a different attitude.
One section thinks that by using Pakistan they can oppose India. Earlier diplomats during the 60s and 70s used to get frustrated with India and to get even with Nehru and IG they used to support Pakistan. They used to encourage Pakistan to be loud and hateful. Bhutto thrived in that environment.
We see that similar tactic is being used to get back at India by the strategists. Usually when they reach a cul-de-sac in foreign policy they use these tactics and war is final option.
That does not mean that India should sell its soul and play slaves to these MNCsI believe, in a few more years - this embrace in economy & technology based relationships between the Investors from all around the World and India would only get tighter.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
UN Appeals for $538M in Pakistan Humanitarian Aid
During a news conference announcing the appeal, the official in charge of American aid efforts in Pakistan, Ambassador Robin Raphel, pledged the U.S. would "generously respond to the needs outlined."
She noted whatever the U.S. gives will be in addition to other aid packages amounting to billions the Obama administration has promised Islamabad.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
shravan wrote:UN Appeals for $538M in Pakistan Humanitarian Aid
During a news conference announcing the appeal, the official in charge of American aid efforts in Pakistan, Ambassador Robin Raphel, pledged the U.S. would "generously respond to the needs outlined."
She noted whatever the U.S. gives will be in addition to other aid packages amounting to billions the Obama administration has promised Islamabad.
Now they want the world to take care of their pit biull?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
Militants allegedly targeting Americans at hotel arrested (Boston Globe)

All that ammo/IED material, and they just gave up to ordinary Paa'stani pandus? Fishy, fishy...
Authorities arrested six suspected Taliban militants with a suicide vest and hand grenades who allegedly were on their way yesterday to attack a five-star hotel and kill Americans in Pakistan’s cultural capital, said police.
The militants arrested yesterday on the outskirts of Lahore included a 14-year-old male and a prayer leader from Pakistan’s Khyber tribal area near the Afghan border, said Zulfikar Hameed, a police official. The prayer leader was wearing a vest packed with explosives. The two told police they were targeting Americans at the Pearl Continental hotel, he said.
Police seized 26 hand grenades and five detonators from the militants, who were traveling by car and motorcycle...

All that ammo/IED material, and they just gave up to ordinary Paa'stani pandus? Fishy, fishy...
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010
They're not even handcuffed, tied with a rope. Just hoods on top and standing with hands in pockets. Cool 'terrorists'.