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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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AQK's rebuttals

Disastrous mistakes

Thursday, February 11, 2010
I am grateful to Abdullah Hussein (February 6) for pointing out certain mistakes/discrepancies in my column of February 3. I would like to clarify a few points.

1. Shiraji had defeated the Moghul Navy (possibly off the coast of Gujarat) in 1664. Later, he surrendered to Aurangzeb for a compromise and to get a Jagir. Aurangzeb rejected his request for a Haft Hazari Jagir and put him into jail from where he escaped and fought against the Moghuls. These details are given in "Aurangzeb" by Mountstuart Elphinstone (former governor of Bombay) published by Oxford University Press (2008).

2. I had read the saying, "Those whom God wants to destroy He first makes mad," in an English book long ago and quoted it. I won't bet on its authenticity. It could be like that saying, widely attributed to French Queen Marie Antoinette, "Let them eat cake," when told that the hungry, starving people of France had no bread to eat. Later people said it was Queen Marie Theresa, wife of King Louis XIV, who had said that.

3. Napoleon was defeated by Admiral Nelson at Trafalgar in 1805, not at Waterloo. He was defeated at Waterloo by the Duke of Wellington in 1815, as pointed out by Mr Hussein. I stand corrected.

4. Regarding the 1965 war, the descriptions by the then British HC, many other local and foreign knowledgeable people, and most recently by Lt-Gen Mehmood Ahmad (The Illusion of Victory, 1965 War) gave the impression which I mentioned. I do hope I am wrong and Mr Hussein is correct, as there is a universal conception that we have not won a single war.

5. I always adored Mr Bhutto and still consider him to be a great benefactor of the army and this country (after the tragic events of 1971). I met him many times and got the impression that people around him had made him inflexible, I am afraid. I am sorry for using the word arrogant. It would have been more appropriate to say inflexible and uncompromising.

6. People and history pronounce judgment on us all. Let them decide whether I am carrying any negative or positive baggage.

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IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan demonstrated today in in Peshawar:

Suicide attack on police patrol kills 17 in Pakistan
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From the article shown above:
Noting that "PoK is actually an Indian territory", he said the government "should facilitate the return" of those who had gone across the Line of Control for "some reasons".
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abhishek_sharma wrote:Indians who wish to return from PoK are welcome: Chidambaram

From the article shown above:
Noting that "PoK is actually an Indian territory", he said the government "should facilitate the return" of those who had gone across the Line of Control for "some reasons".
If "PoK is actually an Indian territory" , then why did we hand out a sum of Rs. 100 crores to Pakistan as aid for the October 2005 earthquake, with the epicentre in PoK, on July 11, 2006, only a few hours before some bombs went off in Mumbai killing hundreds of Indians ? Anything Chankian ?
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What about me, an Indian who wants to go to PoK which is a legitimate part of my country as per constitution and parliament resolutions? What can Mr. Chidambaram do about that?
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Infiltration won't affect Indo-Pak talks: Antony
The continuing infiltration bids by militants won't affect the foreign secretary-level talks between India and Pakistan, Defence Minister A.K Antony said on Thursday.

Antony said that while infiltration bids across the Line of Control had gone up, terrorist violence in Jammu and Kashmir had subsided.

Antony said that Pakistan must end terror activities on its soil but its failure to dismantle the terror groups would not affect the bilateral talks.
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Tiger :rotfl:

A brigadier without brigade has a history of thrashing
The basher-brigadier of the National University of Modern Languages (NUML), who assaulted his professor colleague late Thursday, has a long list of such incidents on his credit as his resume is sprinkled with expertise in thrashing both the teachers and students in previous years.

Brig (R) Obaidullah Ranjha, the NUML’s registrar known as ‘tiger brigadier’ by university’s top administration for his reckless style, is also wanted by police in an FIR registered against him in August 2009 under PPC section 420. Moreover, this man of muscles is simultaneously serving as registrar of the university and managing director of a housing society whose chief executive sacked him a month ago, again on the same grounds: the misconduct with the clients.
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Antony said that Pakistan must end terror activities on its soil but its failure to dismantle the terror groups would not affect the bilateral talks.
:-?
SeS beginning to take effect...
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^^
What about those who are stuck in PoK since 1948. Would Govt welcome them back too ?
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What about Indian retaliation against state / non-state elements in Paquiland that are sponsoring infiltration? Will that affect the Indo-Paq talks?
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CRamS wrote:How many Al Queda (Arab) terrorists could there be? A couple of 100? Is this whole circus about them?
Zahid Khan, ANP, previously mentioned as having a grasp of reality, claims there are 25,000 Arab jihadists in Waziristan, and wants the Pakistani government to expel them. His POV is that if you want to do jihad, do it in your own country, don't come to Waziristan or NWFP.
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http://www.zeenews.com/news603333.html
India would support the global delegitimising of nuclear weapons in the manner it was done for chemical and biological weapons before they were eliminated, Defence Minister AK Antony said Thursday.

"We would support a process that delegitimises nuclear weapons, just as chemical and biological weapons were, prior to their elimination through treaties," Antony said in his inaugural address at the three-day Asian Security Conference here.
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... ction-memo
Indus Water Commissioners of Pakistan and India Wednesday signed a memorandum for inspection of barrages on rivers. Indus Commissioner from India Ranganathan talking to media after the signing ceremony said the two countries facing water scarcity due to lesser rainfall in the region. India has been affected as much as Pakistan due to water shortage in Indus, he said. He said a delegation of Pakistani water officials will visit India in March to discuss the issues related to river water.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/inf ... 558523.cms
Nasscom and Pasha have been on friendly terms since 2005 when Ms Ara first attended the Nasscom Leadership Summit. It was also the year when TCS almost formed a joint venture with another Pakistani company, Techlogix. But the JV eventually did not materialise because of the inability to transfer funds between banks in the two countries, said Ms Ara.

“There was a perception that the Pakistani software industry would be threatened by the entry of Indian companies but that was never the case. The companies on both sides were always very excited,” she said, recommending business and politics should be kept separate. There were many Pakistani business groups with interests in textile and other areas, which were considering starting BPO operations and were keen on learning from India, she added.

Like culture, business also seems to have the potential to overcome political barriers. Systems, the largest outsourcing firm in Pakistan employing 1,200 people, has about 120 employees in Bangalore though through its US arm.

There are others, such as IT firm, Netsol Technologies, that are actively looking to set up an office in Bangalore. “I don’t know if they already have. Companies are always afraid of publicising such information because of the adverse reactions it may invite,” she said. The Pakistan software industry is only a fraction of the revenue of a large Indian software firm at around $2.5 billion. Its population at around 160 million is also a small fraction of India’s billion plus people and Ms Ara said the Pakistan software industry learnt early that they could not become a software services hub like India because of this.
http://news.oneindia.in/2010/02/11/no-i ... hange.html
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sum wrote: Last, (d) The Americans will sit snug at home, forget they were ever in Afghanistan, and be happily messing up another part of the world. Never underestimate the happy circumstance that gave America a 9000-mile buffer to the west and a 3000-mile buffer to the east, the Pacific and the Atlantic. The Americans can mess up the world endlessly, without ever having to bear the consequences
Quite true, it reminded me of the following map: Courtesy - Oxford Atlas. Now look at the countries where wars have not been fought recently - where the aam admi did not have to undergo the takleef. Now also consider one of the largest exporters of arms to the World and look at the map once more. :cry:


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shravan wrote:Infiltration won't affect Indo-Pak talks: Antony
The continuing infiltration bids by militants won't affect the foreign secretary-level talks between India and Pakistan, Defence Minister A.K Antony said on Thursday.

Antony said that Pakistan must end terror activities on its soil but its failure to dismantle the terror groups would not affect the bilateral talks.
He doesn't need to state the obvious. Nothing that Pakistan does will ever affect our earnest desire to talk to them and make them see the white light. We have come to accept terrorism, infiltration, subversion etc as normal for Pakistanis. Our tolerance level goes up with every new type of terror unleashed on us. This is unique only for Indians.

What I don't understand is if nothing is going to stop us from talking to our mis-guided younger brother, why should we even ask them to stop infiltrating or dismantle terror infrastructure ?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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Step 1 of SeS : talks kept separate from terror slowly coming into picture.

Should expect step 2 : include Balochistan and Indian apology for its meddling there within a short time.

Anyone remember what the other "main points" of SeS were? Am too disgusted even to visit the SeS thread to check out the great declaration MMS had signed.
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Even if one half of India goes up in a mushroom cloud, I am damn sure there will be a huge debate among remaining Indians whether India should exercise the retaliatory second strike option. May be the enemy would see the light of love if India spares them from certain anhilation.. you get the drift.
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You know this already. It is all a YYY conspiracy.
Indians instrumental in bringing 'justice' to Aafia
ISLAMABAD – The US government has reportedly used Indians with malafide intentions and prejudice against Pakistan in order to bring Dr Aafia Siddiqui to ‘justice’.
In the light of events that have surfaced, this newspaper has found that Indian involvement was highly instrumental in the creation and implication of unfounded and malicious charges against Dr Aafia that emerged out of ethnic bias and orthodox intriguing bravado :-? of some individuals from Indian origin.
:rotfl:
In one of her recorded statements, Dr Aafia Siddiqui has alleged that one of the interrogators who questioned her during her detention at Bagram Air Base was Indian. ANI cites Pakistan’s Senate Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs’ report, which alleges that the Indian interrogator at Bagram was Aafia’s contemporary at MIT and was interested in her research work. “She was repeatedly asked to do similar research for the interrogator countries. Her interrogators in Afghanistan spoke in American accent and Hindi,” the news agency reported in an article in January last year.
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15 killed in 2 blasts in Bannu
BANNU: Twin bombings in northwest Pakistan kill at least 15 and wound 20, including town's police chief

The second blast came as rescuers responded to the first – a militant tactic seen before in suicide blasts.


Heavy rounds of gunfire followed the explosions as police and military officials tried to take control of the area.
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Blast near police training facility in Quetta

QUETTA: A blast has occurred near police training college at Saryab Road, police said Thursday.
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http://www.thenews.com.pk/

It is really irritating to have to click 'Close' on the AMAN KI ASHA banner everytime you want to read about vacuum in TSP.. :rotfl:

There is also a smaller news item about some blast in Quetta, hope it is not a damp squib...
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It is more like AMAN KA DHAMAKA
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SSridhar wrote: What I don't understand is if nothing is going to stop us from talking to our mis-guided younger brother, why should we even ask them to stop infiltrating or dismantle terror infrastructure ?
TSP has always been consistent through the thick & thin. It never accepted that LeT piglets in J&K are terrorists; rather "freedom fighters". And the same LeT piglets attacking India are "non state actors". So what it has always been saying is lets have "sustained", "purposeful" dialouge on J&K, meaning finding ways and means to dilute Indian soverignty while giving TSP a say in the valley, and in return we will slowly calibrate LeT activities. This has TSP position all along; what is new is MMS has accepted this position.
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Dilbu wrote:ANI cites Pakistan’s Senate Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs’ report, which alleges that the Indian interrogator at Bagram was Aafia’s contemporary at MIT and was interested in her research work. “She was repeatedly asked to do similar research for the interrogator countries."
dumb evil yindoo trying to steal the research work of genius baki mohterma - :(( :rotfl:
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Robert Gates’ threat of war - By General Mirza Aslam Beg (RETD)
Before visiting Pakistan, Robert Gates warned from New Delhi that, should 2007 Mumbai like incident occur again, India would attack Pakistan, meaning thereby that the past Mumbai killings have been solely attributed to Pakistan and if such an incident occurred again, responsibility would be that of Pakistan, and in retaliation, India would be perfectly justified to attack Pakistan. In this situation USA would not be in a position to restrain India. Rather it may support this venture.

The message is fraught with ominous consequences and therefore demands a clear assessment of our ability to respond, if such a threat develops. This assessment therefore, is based on existing ground realities, which determine the military power balance between Pakistan and India. No doubt, the Indian armed forces are numerically superior to Pakistan, but they suffer from some inherent weaknesses and, it will take them a long time to overcome these.

Indian armed forces are in the midst of a transition, - replacement of the obsolete Russian weapons system with high-tech American-Israeli-European weapons. India started this changeover in 2005 after signing the Strategic Partnership Agreement with USA and hopes to complete it by the year 2015. Already it has spent about a hundred billion dollars on the new acquisitions. Their entire military system at present therefore, is weak, because they have the old and absolute weapons and about thirty percent of the recently acquired new systems. They suffer from a predicament, similar to what we suffered in early seventies, because, USA bad abandoned Pakistan in 1965 and we had not been able to induct new weapons and equipment from other sources. India exploited this weakness and dismembered Pakistan. Thus, India suffering from such weaknesses, now, is not in a position to wage a full f1edged war against Pakistan.

India faces another serious problem, in that, despite their best efforts of the last forty years, they have failed to manufacture their own tanks, guns, cruise missiles, fighter aircrafts, battleships and submarines. This in essence, constitutes a major weakness of the Indian armed forces, because, the present day war cannot be won with weapons borrowed or purchased from others. And, contrary to the weaknesses of India and cognising the implications of self-reliance, Pakistan has achieved up to ninety percent of indigenisation of weapons and equipment. We have our own tanks, guns, cruise missiles, fighter aircrafts, battleships and submarines as well as we have a stock-pile of war reserves, of over forty days, as compared to just eleven days of war reserves in 1965 and seven days in 1971. Whereas India’s war reserves as of today are limited to 15 days only. Thus, Pakistan in this respect also enjoys a clear edge over India.

The third dimensional capability of Pakistan is, in the way of higher military education and superior military and operational strategy, which is the hallmark of our military leadership, and was demonstrated some twenty years back in 1989, during Ex-Zarb-e-Momin. The Offensive Defence concept was practised and over the period, has been actualised as the fundamental doctrine of war. Offensive Defence means that our forces having fixed the enemy, will carry the war into their territory. Compare it with the Cold Start doctrine of India, of fighting a war on two fronts, which is more of a fiction than a realistic military doctrine.

Mr Robert Gates, as well as the Indian military planners, while taking into cognisance the existing military balance between Pakistan and India, must also consider the new phenomenon of the Asymmetric War, which, during the last thirty years, has established the supremacy of Men and Missiles, over the most modern and technologically superior armed forces of the world, in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Kashmir. The Asymmetric War, in essence is the name of the Islamic Resistance, with its hardcore resting along the Durand Line. It is our strength. Thus, conventional as well as irregular armed forces, together provide the emerging shape of the Fourth Generation of modern warfare, as Joseph S Nye, the former Assistant Secretary of Defence USA and a professor of Harvard University, defines: “The hybrid wars, conventional and irregular forces combatants and civilians become thoroughly intertwined” to win wars and help establish the new order. In case, war is forced on Pakistan, it would be a long and decisive war, where new geo-political realities would emerge, establishing new frontiers of peace in the region.

Nuclear weapons are not the weapons of war because these have never been used as such. United States used it against the Japanese in 1945, which already had lost the war, nor had the capability to retaliate. American purpose was primarily diplomatic, i.e. to declare to the world that, America was entering the centre stage of world politics, to establish its global primacy and pre-eminence. There are other instances also, where nuclear powers, possessing hundreds and thousands of atomic weapons could not use them, to save themselves from very difficult and embarrassing situations. The Americans lost the war in Vietnam; the Soviets lost their empire in Afghanistan; the Israelis could not cover the shame of defeat at the hands of Hezbollah in 2005; the Americans having suffered defeat in Iraq, now are facing a worse defeat in Afghanistan, yet they find no recourse to use their nuclear capability. Their NATO partners are equally embarrassed, yet they cannot think of using their nuclear weapons to cover the shame of impending defeat. Similarly, India and Pakistan can fight only conventional wars and win or loose, but they dare not use nuclear weapons against each other, because it would destroy everything, leaving nothing but ashes, one could hope to capture and rebuild. And therefore, our people must not carry the wrong notion that Pakistan is powerful because it has nuclear capability. On the contrary, it is the conventional military capability, which provides security and lends resilience to the nation, as of now, and provides space to the po1itical government, to establish good governance.

Nuclear weapons are also great equalizer, between nuclear capable adversaries. “Between India and Pakistan, perfect deterrence exists” - declared George Fernandis, the former Defence Minister of India, after Pakistan demonstrated its capability in May 1998. And that precisely is the function of the weapons of mass destruction. Pakistan’s policy of Minimum Credible Nuclear Deterrence, supported by the Policy of Restraint, together serves the purpose of a stable nuclear deterrence. Nuclear capability also doesn’t compensate for the conventional military capability, and working on this principle the conventional military capability of Pakistan has been so developed as to make it a real symbol of national power, to defeat all aggression from within and outside.

Such are the ground realities, which determine the capabilities of our armed forces which cannot be wiped off by contrived constructs of our adversaries, nor Pakistan can be scared of going to the brink, if a war was forced on it. J F Dulles has rightly said: “If you are scared to go to the brink you are lost.”
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abhishek_sharma wrote:
From the article shown above:
Noting that "PoK is actually an Indian territory", he said the government "should facilitate the return" of those who had gone across the Line of Control for "some reasons".
A indirect way of informing the world that India has not relinquished its claim to PoK.
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There are others, such as IT firm, Netsol Technologies, that are actively looking to set up an office in Bangalore. “I don’t know if they already have. Companies are always afraid of publicising such information because of the adverse reactions it may invite,” she said. The Pakistan software industry is only a fraction of the revenue of a large Indian software firm at around $2.5 billion. Its population at around 160 million is also a small fraction of India’s billion plus people and Ms Ara said the Pakistan software industry learnt early that they could not become a software services hub like India because of this.
So if you start telling lie 100 times. it does become truth. $2.5 billion !. My foot. It won't be even $100 million.
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^ Wah what conclusion , likewise BD and Nepal should be 29th and 30th states of India . :roll:
Above statement needs to be viewed along with following.

1. Withdrawal of IA from J&K.
2. Statements about increased infiltration but LESS TERRORISM (what ever that means) it took MMS followed by DM to convince people.
3. The talk about Amnesty to J&K
4. I guess no unfurling of flag on 26th jan was too an indicator.
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Motorma Christine Fair has written a paper for Harvard Madrassa, completely at odds with her article in WSJ.

"Why Pakistanis Support Islamist Militancy"
Pakistanis' support for militant organizations is not correlated among different types of militant groups. In other words, just because an individual supports one kind of militant group does not mean that the same individual will support another. For example, a supporter of Lashkar-e-Taiba will not necessarily be a supporter of al-Qaida. Far from it, Pakistanis appear to distinguish among these groups rather well.

Popular prescriptions that Pakistanis will stop supporting militancy when they feel confident in their own economic prospects, or their country's, are not grounded in the data. Respondents who come from economically successful areas or who believe that Pakistan is doing well economically compared to India were more likely to support militant groups, not less.

Religiosity is a poor predictor of Pakistani support for militant organizations. A preference for more sharia law does not predict support for these groups. What matters most is dissatisfaction with sharia's current role in Pakistan. Pakistanis who want a greater role for sharia and those who want a lesser role for it are more supportive of Islamist militant groups than those satisfied with the status quo.

Similarly, identifying strongly as a Muslim does not predict support for Taliban militants fighting in Afghanistan or for al-Qaida. Although strongly identifying as a Muslim does predict support for militant groups operating in Kashmir, the relationship disappears when respondents' support for other groups is taken into account. Whatever the common factor driving support for different militant organizations operating in Pakistan is, it is not religion per se.

There is no discernible relationship between respondents' faith in democracy or support for core democratic rights and their disapproval of the Taliban or al-Qaida. The much-heralded call for greater democratization in Pakistan as a palliative for militancy may therefore be unfounded.
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Anujan wrote:Motorma Christine Fair has written a paper for Harvard Madrassa, completely at odds with her article in WSJ.
Apart from her India-supporting-Baluchistan comments, her comments have been pretty harsh towards the paki antics. In her interview with rediff too, she said that she supported Indian actions in Baluchistan as that is what any country would do.
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^ One can't blame her for Baluchistan can we ?
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negi wrote:Actually one way to look at all this 'Halla' from TSP camp is they have decided to direct the domestic outrage over scarcity of water against India as 'hatred for India' sells and something which does not need effort in terms of building a consensus in TSP , more importantly by bringing in these issues they wish to deflect the Indian demands for expediting the proceedings of 26/11 case (I presume GOI has this on agenda for the proposed talks).
The Punjabi are stealing water from everyone else. They want to prempt and channel the anger towards India.

Unless all Indians line up and p1ss into the rivers, there is no way more water is going from India to Pakistan. What is there to talk about then?
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R_Kumar wrote:
There are others, such as IT firm, Netsol Technologies, that are actively looking to set up an office in Bangalore. “I don’t know if they already have. Companies are always afraid of publicising such information because of the adverse reactions it may invite,” she said. The Pakistan software industry is only a fraction of the revenue of a large Indian software firm at around $2.5 billion. Its population at around 160 million is also a small fraction of India’s billion plus people and Ms Ara said the Pakistan software industry learnt early that they could not become a software services hub like India because of this.
So if you start telling lie 100 times. it does become truth. $2.5 billion !. My foot. It won't be even $100 million.
RKumarji nitpick maaf ho. The motorhummah Ara was stating that the combined revenue of all IT Cos is TSP is less than any single large Indian IT firm. In SDRE english, it means that all of TSPs IT combined has a revenue of a few tens of millions while any one of the large Indian IT firm has an annual revenue of $2.5 billion. You see saar, TSPian speak better english than Indians hence you are confused by the proclamations of Ms Ara.
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India’s embrace of dialogue remains limited, reluctant - Siddharth Varadarajan
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Pending Islamabad’s formal response, notes and papers have begun circulating among the principal players in the Ministry of External Affairs — External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna, National Security Adviser Shiv Shankar Menon, Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao and Joint Secretary for Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran, Yash Sinha — with the entire exercise being quarterbacked by Mr. Menon and other officials in the Prime Minister’s Office.
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however, officials realise India will also have to bring something more to the table than the same finger it has been wagging the past year. In particular, it will have to demonstrate that there are tangible benefits for Islamabad from the meaningful dialogue which would logically follow the restoration of confidence and trust.
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the need for India to step back from the edge so that it retains some flexibility in its response should another terrorist attack take place. “If you are talking, you can always suspend talks. But if you are not talking, there will be enormous political pressure to react in ways that might be counterproductive. And this government does not want to provide such an incentive to the terrorists,” an official told The Hindu on condition of anonymity.
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As for Kashmir, officials say the problem is not Indian reluctance to discuss what Pakistan once regarded as the ‘core issue’ but Islamabad’s apparent repudiation of what was achieved on the back-channel between 2004 and 2007.
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. And today, the pendulum has swung in favour of GHQ. “The dilemma for Indian policy is to craft a credible and workable response to existing threats, including that of more Mumbai-like attacks from Pakistan, while attempting to work for a more normal relationship with Pakistan,” Mr. Menon wrote :?: in his Harvard International Review article. “Faced with a fragmented situation, the logical answer would be to engage those elements in Pakistan, such as the civilian democratic leadership, that may share India’s interest in opposing extremism and terrorism and in promoting a peaceful democratic periphery.” And this would mean using dialogue as a means of pushing for gains on the terrorism front.
So, the dialogue is started so that in case of another attack, the GoI can suspend talks as a consequence. Otherwise, horror of horrors, the public opinion may force them to strike against the terrorists :roll:

As for having a normal relationship with pakistan while trying to craft a response to existing threats from pakistan, isn't there an obvious irony in that statement? Are we saying that we want a normal relationship with pakistan inspite of terrorist attacks which have been sponsored by the paki state(ISI/GHQ)? Strange to see such statements from our NSA who is supposed to have good knowledge of the neighbourhood!
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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Antony trying to explain the unexplainable ...

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Though the government remains concerned at the increasing bids to infiltrate, and no attempt by Islamabad to pull down 42 terror camps operating in Pakistan, New Delhi is going ahead with the talks, since Islamabad took “some action as per our [India’s] wish.” “So we thought it would be better to start a dialogue. India has taken a conscious decision after seeing that there are some signs of action on the part of the government of Pakistan; we took a conscious decision,” Mr. Antony told journalists on the sidelines of the 12th Asian Security Conference.
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India’s experience in dealing with terrorism showed that the distinction between state-sponsored terrorism and the role of non-state players was “often blurred and rather indistinguishable.”
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So what did pakis do as per India's wish? Still operating 42 terrorist camps? increasing border inflitration? creating more 26/11 like plans?
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Respondents who come from economically successful areas or who believe that Pakistan is doing well economically compared to India were more likely to support militant groups, not less.
So Pakistanis who are poor and hungry are too busy to support jihad. One their bellies are full, they are free to cheer on the murderers.
So more poverty, not less, is the solution to Pakistani extremism?
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Gerard wrote:
Respondents who come from economically successful areas or who believe that Pakistan is doing well economically compared to India were more likely to support militant groups, not less.
So Pakistanis who are poor and hungry are too busy to support jihad. One their bellies are full, they are free to cheer on the murderers.
So more poverty, not less, is the solution to Pakistani extremism?
Exactly , As Sridhar Sir pointed out many a time , a richer and prosperous TSP will always look to plot against us.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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a richer and prosperous TSP will always look to plot against us.

No we should want the citizens of present day Pakistan to be prosperous and well to do. However if we want India free of terror, and ALSO Indian citizens to be prosperous and devoid of fear, there is no option but to dismantle Pakistan into smaller units that can be controlled by a benign India. So the all are well to do, and India free of terror and the nukes and the K word.

India cannot afford a poor Pakistani citizenry sold into Jihad propaganda and continuously lowered nuclear thresholds to unite that nation through rhetoric and false propaganda.
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^^^

It starts at the top. Without controlling the leadership whether of Pakistan or of these smaller units, the jihad problem will continue and even intensify. In a way, we have been through this before with Bangladesh.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

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BijuShet wrote: RKumarji nitpick maaf ho. The motorhummah Ara was stating that the combined revenue of all IT Cos is TSP is less than any single large Indian IT firm. In SDRE english, it means that all of TSPs IT combined has a revenue of a few tens of millions while any one of the large Indian IT firm has an annual revenue of $2.5 billion. You see saar, TSPian speak better english than Indians hence you are confused by the proclamations of Ms Ara.

I wish my English was better. I have to admit that I didn't pay lot of attention while reading it. And I do have some reason.

For last couple of years every tom-dick and Harry from pure land is throwing out this number ($2-$2.5 billion) . And then, if I am not mistaken TCS revenue for last fiscal year was more than $6 billion.
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