Telangana Monitor

[ShyamSP]

Maoism is one issue but it is least of an issue compared to others, esp for non-Telengana people.

First and foremost is Telengana vadis need to prove that Telangana didn't develop as they originally claimed that they need separate state for. (This recent times got changed by them but Sri Krishna committee is going to look at it.)

Maximalist position for Telangana is not acceptable to majority so unless Central government takes undemocratic method for division, Telangana can't be given without any agreement from the other side. Even AP never got maximalist demand in terms of border demarcations in 1952 and 1956 and "Madras Manade" (Madras is ours) that Potti Sriramulu died for never happened but got Andra state instead and subsequently AP due to language-based SRC dominant then.

Looking at Congress winning last time centered around YSR statements in Nandyala soon after Telengana elections were over, in Rayalaseema and Nellore and Prakasam which solidly voted for Congress for main reasons of Water (for majority voting bloc) and Hyderabad (for being Capital, jobs sake and investors). I don't think this area is going to compromise on taking further loss (except may be for trading Krishna river for Hyderabad as one Kurnool leader said in lighter vein)

It is only Telangana vadis need to try for a minimalist position which is Telangana exclusive of Hyderabad and Waters, where Hyderabad and waters are shared with agreements from all regions.

Of course, they are demands from Uttar Andhra which Telangana vadis cannot win on and there are overarching Telugu identity issue and issue of keeping language-based balance in Southern states for those unconnected to Hyderabad and waters.

[joshvajohn]

Normal life partially disrupted due to bandh in Telangana
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_no ... na_1347172

It's back to shutdowns, resignations over Telangana
http://www.hindustantimes.com/hyderabad ... 08048.aspx

[Yagnasri]

Now congress cannot oppose the committee. Some hard core elements may do but the party wont. TDP T Vadis may make lot of sound but they are not going to create much problem or may not resort to violence. BJP with 2 seats (out of 294) is of nothing in AP. Only political parties to create problem is TRS. The naxals are of course are there only for doing violent activities.

Most of the allegations about Non Telangana people made by KCR are baseless and can not be proven before any independent committee. If development is the reason then there are many districts in AP which are much worst than T Distrcts. I do not think any overwhleming and one sided spending in any area. Most of the dry areas in all the districts are in very bad condition. Agricuture is in delta areas of Krishna Godavari Pennar rivers is good and it is also good under the canals of mojor irrigation projects. That is all. It has nothing to do with any area having looted others. It not difficult to find some portion of a distrct very good and other portions is very bad.

The basic problemn with with KCR is he does not want to let go the control of the situation to the Delhi's hand. But how long he can agitate and threaten violence? Now that Delhi has announced a Committee whether it can go back and wind up the committee or change reference points and reduce the time given. I dont thing so. He also knows it is not possible. TRS people are saying that Center can be bent on putting presure. Delhi may take offence to this talk. Does they want to look weak and dancing to the tune of the KCR ? They also know that going back now will create very hard opposition from the majority in the state. So this repeated talk of putting presure to bend the Delhi and threats of blood bath may only back fire.

The resignation drama is stopped for some hours at the request of the Kodandaram and they want to discuss the issue in JAC. But the congress may not be ready to accomidate KCR this time. Why they want to pull down their own governament and then stand in line with a beging bowl before KCR. If the state is divided it is the congress that is going to do that. They want to take credit for that. TDP will not resign unless congress do. So KCR may have over played his hand. The best thing for him may be a division in congress and a significant portion of the congress MLA's comming out with their resignations and governament falls. Then all those people joining him. We have to see how it happens.

The naxals do have some chance now of making a come back in the state. They make best of this conditions. We can see lot of their front people comming out and making all kinds of statements and allegations on the Indian state.

So bad time continues.

[skaranam]

narayana rao, u r correct in your assessment. Last week, the Governor and CM had a meeting as to what needs to done in case of resignations. They are prepared to Prez. rule.

T-Congress boycott may lead to Prez rule
“If the Session will be obstructed, the state is headed for President’s rule” was the summary message of the meeting, sources said

About Naxals, they are leading the movement. Most of TRS MLAs / ex-MLAs are ex-Maoist. Even some of the district presidents of TRS are ex-Maoist. It is suspected that some of the TDP MLAs are also from the same background. The Maoists influence in the Telagana movement is well documented.

Antisocial elements or Maoists in Telangana movement?
Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister K. Rosaiah Wednesday said 'anti-social elements' had joined the movement for a Telangana state. Police believe Maoists have penetrated the movement through students and other sympathisers.

'Everybody knows the problems in states like Jharkhand. Telangana is their (Maoists) birthplace and naturally they will try to take advantage of the situation,' said Inspector General of Police A.R. Anuradha

Maoists call for intensified Telangana movement
the Communist Party of India (Maoist) has come down heavily on different political parties accusing them of engineering agitations in other regions of the State to undermine the cause of separate Telangana State.

The signatory of the statement was Chandranna, secretary of the North Telangana State Special Zonal Committee.

Interestingly, the five-page handwritten statement did not mention anything about the TRS spearheading the cause of Telangana.

Maoists infiltrating into Telangana movement: Police
"Apart from students, professional agitators are involved in various protest rallies in different parts of Telangana for the past several days. We have information that they (Maoists) will also mix up with protesters during the proposed 'Chalo Assembly Call' tomorrow," IGP A R Anuradha told reporters here

Maoists have infiltrated Telangana movement: Andhra police

Inspector General of Police A R Anuradha told media persons that intelligence reports indicated that Maoists had definitely infiltrated the movement.

"If you look at the sort of people who were sitting in protest at the Osmania University campus, you will know it," she said.

"It is the old concept of Maoists that they should have a toehold in the Dandakarnya forest which passes through Telangana. The movement is to their advantage and they will support every such movement," she added.

Maoists ask people to intensify Telangana stir
The Maoist leader advised leaders of the movie industry not to oppose the cause of Telangana and said some people had earned lakhs of crores of rupees by occupying lands in and around Hyderabad city. He also faulted the argument that Hyderabad city was developed by people from other regions, arguing that the city was built on the ‘blood and sweat’ of Telangana people.

Interestingly, the five-page handwritten statement did not mention anything about the Telangana Rashtra Samiti (TRS) spearheading the cause of Telangana.

Maoists eye Telangana comeback
The political turmoil in Andhra Pradesh over Telangana has rekindled Maoists’ hopes for a comeback in a state that was once their stronghold.

As a first step, Communist Party of India (Maoist) leaders are planning to initiate “peoples’ committees” to participate in democratic movements demanding a separate Telangana state.

“People want Telangana and we support it fully. Our cadres will participate in joint democratic movements along with other political parties,” said Koteshwar Rao alias Kishenji, a CPI(Maoist) politburo member, last seen publicly at a rally in the Telangana region in 1978.

He claimed to have spoken to some pro-Telangana politicians over telephone over the last couple of days but declined to reveal their identities.

“As the Maoists are planning to infiltrate the democratic mass movements, it has become necessary for us to keep vigil on activists with whom the Maoists may home some links,” a a senior intelligence officer told Hindustan Times on conditions of anonymity.

Four of the 13-member CPI(Maoist) politburo formed in 2007 are from Karimnagar district, a part of the proposed Telangana region. They are Ganapati (general secretary), Koteshwar Rao, Vasav Rao (alias Vasav Raj) and Cherkuri Rajakumar

Maoists Call for Militant People’s Movement to Win Telangana State

The worst fears of the Centre and Andhra Pradesh has come true, as Maoists joined the Telangana debate. The Naxalites have called in for a militant mass struggle to achieve a separate Telangana state.

Azad, the spokesperson of the Central Committee of the outlawed CPI (Maoist), issued a statement, saying a separate state of Telangana is an “inalienable right” of the four crore people of the region.

Azad also called for a united militant mass struggle against the Congress regime and the “betrayers” in various political parties. He did not spare any party, and lashed out at the Congress, BJP, TDP, CPI and CPI (M), accusing him playing vote bank politics over Telangana issue. The Maoist leader did not spare KCR’s Telangana Rashtra Samiti (TRS), saying it wasted over five years, begging Congress President Sonia Gandhi.

Maoists may target Telangana ministers
While political parties and student organisations find it hard to digest Union Home Minister P Chidambaram’s remark that ‘extremist elements’ had infiltrated the Telangana movement, Maoists are gearing up for attacks on ministers and MLAs, intelligence reports suggest.

The State intelligence department has complied information that Maoists are preparing the ground for attacks on elected representatives, mostly of the ruling party, to force them to resign. “The attacks may not go to the level of elimination.

Maoist emissary Vara Vara Rao’s open call at the students’ march (Vidyardhi Garjana) in Osmania University on January 3 for a militant fight has strengthened the argument of intelligence agencies. Police have reported the matter to the high court, which will hear the matter on January 18.

Telangana movement providing cover for Naxals?
The police are worried that Naxals have infiltrated the Telangana movement, using this to move from rural Andhra to urban pockets like Hyderabad, Warangal and Karimnagar.

Intelligence agencies say the Maoists are using the Telangana movement to instigate violence. Politicians admit there's cause for concern. "When there is a movement and activities like these happen, infiltration will take place. They could be Maoists or other extremists also," shares D Srinivas, Congress President.

Telangana students may cross over to Maoists
Like any other tricky subject, the nature, scope and future of T movement has also divided the police officers. Some of them claim that the student part of the T movement is being directed by the Maoists sitting away from AP; others say that the Maoists have slowly infiltrated the agitators and are waiting for an opportunity to play key roles in chartering its direction.

However, the fact remains that the Maoists avowedly believe in carving out the state of Telangana from Andhra Pradesh. They say that the factors of the past that have contributed to the region remaining backward such as exploitation, oppression and denial of the legitimate rights over land, water, employment etc. can be rectified only through creation of Telangana and handing over power to the traditionally disadvantaged sections of the society.

TRS members who stand out for Maoists Connections
V. Prakash, Ex-General Sec.
S. Ramalinga Reddy, MLA
Ex-Naxal Konapuri Ramulu (Brother of Konapuri Ilaiah alias Sambasivudu), District vice-president of the Telangana Rashtra Samithi (TRS), Nalgonda

Members leading Telangana Agitation known for Maoist connections
Daru Ellanna
Vimalakka
Rasami Balakrishna
Ghanta Chakrapani

Influx of former naxals into TRS worries others
TRS president, K. Chandrasekhar Rao, has extended the party membership to former Maoist leader and Dandakaranya Committee member, Merugu Sambaiah, at Janagaon. Another Naxalite leader, Gajjala Chandraiah, has also been given the TRS party membership by the chief on May 23

Top Maoist leaders have recently announced that they would go "soft" on the TRS party, if it really commits to the cause of a separate Telangana state.

[Muppalla]

President's rule or not it does not matter anymore. Emotions, scale of support does not matter as the decisions are made.

Whaetever we may write here, it is going to be ugly, long drawn and violent if Telangana agitation persists. How long and how bloody will all depend upon how much money spending capability is there with seperate Telangana movement. It also depends upon how much the Telangana folks are willing to sacrifice (in terms of educational years, jobs etc.)

The administration and the central leadership has pretty much decided against giving Telangana and they did a a complete U-turn and it is absolutely clear. I will bet now that the administration will be using carrot and stick policy to get back normalcy. The following approaches may be adopted:

1) They will declare that all the schools and colleges will be closed and the students will lose the acedamic year in Telangana region. It happend in 1969. I will bet that no parents will be willing to sacrifice their children's future in the current competetive life.
2) The persons who are joining the agitation will lose jobs permanently. No middle class folks can afford such a thing. They will be grudgingly back to work. This also happened in 1969
3) They will start arresting every tom dick and harry on the street as some Naxal connected. This will put a lot of innocents at a harm.

There will be a lot of carrots too that will be thrown for the economically lower and middle level folks. They may hoist a Telangana CM too and that will be a political carrot inside INC.

From a political side, INC has become smart in dealing with coalitions (both UPA and internal factions). Here is a link and folks who can read and connect things will get the message from this article.
The new coalition age

I call this as "Operation Madhu Koda" on everyone who is not falling in line. This is very effective one as opposed to the "Coalition Dharma" followed by ABV. In simple terms, they have created documented and taped evidence of the corruption, sex and other stuff of all the potential challengers and trouble makers. The coalitions, the leaders of INC are compelled to work as a team and follow the decisions. If someone dissent beyond a limit then there will a brahmastra against them in the form of Enforment directorate etc. By the way there will be no time or room as it is mostly a non-baialble warrant.

However, it is also two way traffic. The folks who has similar abilities towards the "INC leadership" are the ones who can call the shots. Sharad Pawars, Chidus and wealthy MPs ( most of the Andhra region MP fall in this category) who are not ministers will fall into this category. Hence their words will have more value than a run-of-the-mill politician.

[skaranam]

JAC’s call for bandh flops

“The AP High Court had recently told the state government not to withdraw bus services even if a bandh was observed,” said a source in the RTC

TRS leaders alleged that the government used excessive police force to ensure that the bandh flops. The TRS city leader, Mr Kattela Srinivas Yadav, alleged that around 70 leaders in the city were arrested on Friday night itself to give an impression that people were fed up with bandhs.

[skaranam]

The administration and the central leadership has pretty much decided against giving Telangana and they did a a complete U-turn and it is absolutely clear.

I beg to differ. I do not see a complete U turn. The current T-panel is non-political one. As of Chidambaram has been upright and straight forward. Chidambaram and T-panel members offer some light. The politics that comes will be for recognition. Congress will want to claim the credit. They do not want KCR or TDP to get the due.

1) They will declare that all the schools and colleges will be closed and the students will lose the acedamic year in Telangana region. It happend in 1969. I will bet that no parents will be willing to sacrifice their children's future in the current competetive life.
2) The persons who are joining the agitation will lose jobs permanently. No middle class folks can afford such a thing. They will be grudgingly back to work. This also happened in 1969
3) They will start arresting every tom dick and harry on the street as some Naxal connected. This will put a lot of innocents at a harm.

2010 is not 1969. It was easy to suppress in 1969 because information took some time to flow. However, we have mobiles, 24X7 idiot box and breaking news phenomenon. The approach to suppress, if made will be nuanced and not a violent threat. It will be tweaked and tweaked. Naxal threat will be one big reason and it is real too. There is a good proof about naxal influence.

I call this as "Operation Madhu Koda" on everyone who is not falling in line. This is very effective one as opposed to the "Coalition Dharma" followed by ABV. In simple terms, they have created documented and taped evidence of the corruption, sex and other stuff of all the potential challengers and trouble makers. The coalitions, the leaders of INC are compelled to work as a team and follow the decisions. If someone dissent beyond a limit then there will a brahmastra against them in the form of Enforment directorate etc. By the way there will be no time or room as it is mostly a non-baialble warrant.

However, it is also two way traffic. The folks who has similar abilities towards the "INC leadership" are the ones who can call the shots. Sharad Pawars, Chidus and wealthy MPs ( most of the Andhra region MP fall in this category) who are not ministers will fall into this category. Hence their words will have more value than a run-of-the-mill politician.

We have seen this in dealing with Mr. Jagan Mohan Reddy. Disruption of law and order will not be tolerated beyond a certain point.

[RamaY]

IMO, it is a matter of time when Telangana is a reality. there are no two ways about it. People in cities, towns, mandals (kind of taluqas), and even at village level are looking forward to this. While the initial decision seemed to be top down, it is also true that the support at the bottom is too strong - only a complete politics blind will deny it.

Satya-Anveshi garu,

I hear from my Telangana region friends that the commons (farmers, businessmen etc) are not interested in separate statehood, and only govt employees are strongly behind the agitation. I hear that these teachers, Govt. employees are fanning the Telangana regionalism.

Is it correct?

[Yagnasri]

Unfortunately my fear of KCR pressing ahead with agitation have come true. He will not allow congress people think. If Telangana comes congress would like to get the credit for the same. But that will kill TRS. So he will not allow that. The decision to resign is taken for the same reason. It is all to maintain momemtum perputuate his position of the sole reason for the creation of the Telangana state.

Now people like Damodar Reddy decided to resign without even given others time to think there will be huge presure on other congress leaders to follow suit. They have already realised that they are only serving KCR ends. But they will not be allowed time to organise some other response to his plans. There are already paid agitations and attacks on the congress leaders including ministers who do not fall in line. Yesterday one minister even named KCR organising the attack on his car. KCR seems to have running a good network of gangs (deputed to TRS by Naxals?) to attack ministers and MLA's of congress who may have other ideas on the future course of the agitation. It is just like stone throwing network of J&K. All is being done before TV Camara's to give it a color of peoples power. Unfortunately TV is not ready to call a speade a spade and these goondas as goondas.

This steps by KCR seems to done under a belief that New Delhi is going to bend under presure. They may not accomidate him now. The end result will be violence. The state budget also will be disrupted. If budget is not passed there will be president rule. Congress which is in power want to face an uncertain elections just after 1 year of its win. So for the time being Assembly may be kept in suspended animation to allow congress to regroup.

By this week end we may see all these things done. End result is deaths, economic loss to the state and people. This will be good time for Naxals to stage a great come back in Telangana area.

[skaranam]

Now people like Damodar Reddy decided to resign without even given others time to think there will be huge presure on other congress leaders to follow suit. They have already realised that they are only serving KCR ends.
Yesterday one minister even named KCR organising the attack on his car. KCR seems to have running a good network of gangs (deputed to TRS by Naxals?) to attack ministers and MLA's of congress who may have other ideas on the future course of the agitation.

This steps by KCR seems to done under a belief that New Delhi is going to bend under presure. They may not accomidate him now. The end result will be violence. The state budget also will be disrupted. If budget is not passed there will be president rule.

By this week end we may see all these things done. End result is deaths, economic loss to the state and people. This will be good time for Naxals to stage a great come back in Telangana area.

56 Telangana MLAs to quit

It was the TD representatives in the Telangana Joint Action Committee that forced the hand of the Congress contingent by saying that all 39 of them would quit if the Congress MLAs also did so.

There was an audible sigh of relief after the four Congress MLAs, Mr Damodar Reddy, Mr Bikhamaiah Goud, Mr Narsa Reddy and Mr Mutyam, reached the venue along with the MLCs.

The AICC leaders, Mr Ahmed Patel and Mr Veerappa Moily, spoke to senior leaders and asked them to tell MLAs that the high command would not take kindly to any kind of rebellion.

The 4 congress fellows is a sample to see what the high command would do. Also, even these 4 submit, the Speaker needs to accept. I am sure he will have a one-on-one session. See the TDP condition, they will submit if congress follows.

Madam will open her "proverbial" 3rd eye if its own govt. is reduced to a minority. I do not see it happening.

[Muppalla]

I respectfully want to reiterate that some folks here are paranoid about some violence and other stuff. The music is going to end and with in a month we may not see that something even happened. It will be like the period between 2005 and 2009.

In my view the noise level is what you will have for the next two to three weeks. The Telangana as a sepearete state is in cold storage with the appointment of some committe. Read the things with no bias. The agitation will also come down in another 2 to 3 weeks. The public will wean away from the agitation as there will be a realization that it is not going to be worth the scarifice. There will be carrot and stick to get the public off this agitation. Just remember anti-Mandal agitation and what was the use of those sacrifices. Finally the powerful party implemented it.

The following quote from the news item in the above post has all the info that is requred to make your judgement. Read in conjunction with my post in the previous page.

It was the TD representatives in the Telangana Joint Action Committee that forced the hand of the Congress contingent by saying that all 39 of them would quit if the Congress MLAs also did so. {Wow }

There was an audible sigh of relief after the four Congress MLAs, Mr Damodar Reddy, Mr Bikhamaiah Goud, Mr Narsa Reddy and Mr Mutyam, reached the venue along with the MLCs.

The AICC leaders, Mr Ahmed Patel and Mr Veerappa Moily, spoke to senior leaders and asked them to tell MLAs that the high command would not take kindly to any kind of rebellion. {That is how you put back gini into bottle }

For congress party the whole Telangana movement is like a gini in a bottle. When it wants it opens the bottle and when it does not want it puts it back. Go back all the way to 1969 to 2010. The story did not change and just the generations and people and handlers changed.

Coming back to current scenario:
(1) There will be some meaning to the movement if and only if Congress MLA and MPs from Telangana resign enmasse and continue with the agitation. No other party can force this. Will Jaipal Reddy from Chevella constituency resign?
(2) It is impossible to see (1) happening. The central command has a firm grip on the Telangana INC folks. It is 10,0000 more times than the grip that it has over their brothers from Costal and Rayalseema regions. There are multiple reasons:
(a) Indian politics has reached certain stage where wealthy folks call the shots. It is like US where corporate and wealthy unions are the reasons for the President or the members of senate/congress actually do or not-do certain things. Rhetoric is for public but the actuall work is something else.
(b) INC central command works similar way. INC is a party of India's vested interests and these interests are like mafia. To win elections INC has SCs, STs and IMs which constitue about 25% of the electorate. Most of the elections are won just with 30 to 35% votes.
(c) Added to that the way INC is controlling its party and also coalition using "Madhu Koda" syndrome. Read more details from my previous post.
(d) Very hardly there are any Telangana MPs and MLAs in the INC who has either clout or election winning capability. They may have corruption that was documented with central command.

Hence I do not see a substantial INC MLAs or MPs resigning. Regarding MLCs what are they anyway and you can always get new ones.

Now comes the stand taken by Telangana-TDP folks. They want to conditionally resign. If INC resigns then we will resign. WoW - what a comitment. This particular block is the one who really played this game of chicken pretty nicely. They all know that electorally Telangana is not going to give any dividends. They have seen this by-example for the past three to four elections. However, they know they will lose if they do not fight for Telangana and hence they took the ship. They always wanted the INC to take the leadership. They enjoyed the show and chikening-out of INC. Now what's the point to plunge? They have seen the fate of "plunged-TRS" and also "plunged Devendra Goud" as examples in the past six years. T-TDP will go back to politics as usual.

We may see a Telangana-INC leader becoming the CM of the state and even the noise-levels will come down.

[joshvajohn]

For what Separate Telangana state movement is?
http://www.mynews.in/News/For_what_Sepa ... 38060.html

[Lilo]

Here is a comparative analysis on the gdp growth rates of telangana with rest of AP.

District wise GDP Data of AP 1993-2003

The data shows that the decadal gdp growth rate post liberalization from 1993-2003 is 242%,162%,221% for Telangana, Rayalaseema and Coastal Andhra respectively.Telangana was far ahead with a decadal GDP growth rate of 242% compared to rest of AP (Rayalseema and coastal) at 204% trailing by more than 40 percentage points behind .Goes on to show the hollowness of the claims of "step motherly treatment" by telangana politicians like KCR and "intellectuals" of Telangana.
These myths are being propagated as canons of an unnecessary discourse which has resulted in an all-round political and developmental stagnation of 10 crore people as a whole.

[RamaY]

For what Separate Telangana state movement is?
http://www.mynews.in/News/For_what_Sepa ... 38060.html

Nothing new in this article.

The "perceived" uniqueness of Telangana culture has to be discussed. It is a version of Telugu culture that went thru forced-alteration during islamic rule. Nothing wrong is keeping it that way, if that is what people want. But asking for separation based on that is unimaginative and silly at best.

The "sense" of exploitation is yet to be proved given the statistics in the previous 20-30 pages in this thread. We cannot take the words of self-interest groups' proclamations at face value. If there is a "perception" in this regard, due to lack of information and knowledge, it is upon all of us to take the responsibility to collect and dessimate the information so that educated discussions are made.

It is very understandable that one wants to give some space to t-vadi perspective. But it should be educational instead of propaganda. Bring valid information, which is plenty available in open sources, to the discussion and everyone can learn the true causes of this demand and make a meaningful discussion.

If the leadership, and their approach, of T-vadi leadership and intellectuals for the past few months is any indication one can draw parallels from various separatist movements in India. Except for the demand for separation from Indian union, T-vadi movement shows similar logic, reasoning, approach, threats, attacks, political strategy.

The ends do not justify the means and vice versa. This is our nation and one should demonstrate justifyable means as well as ends.

As explained in previous posts, this agitation is political in nature and is being exploited by INC party to achieve tactical/strategic goals. Sonia, Chidu, KCR, T-Congress, Maoists and CBN are playing this game to achieve personal gains at the cost of the state and students' lives.

[RamaY]

AP Assembly speaker has accepted the resignation of 10 TRS and 1 BJP MLAs.

Hopefully TRS can get some true mandate from Telangana people. It did not win all the MLA positions that it won with INC support in 2004 elections. In 2009 it won this number with TDP alliance and now we will see its true strength.

[RayC]

As per the TV news 12 resignations accepted of the 15 submitted and 27 more to go!

Violence in the University as protest not allowed.

What is the strategy of the pro Telegana legislators and how far will they succeed?

What will be the political outcome?

What will the Srikrishna Commission do/ achieve?

If someone could indicate what's up.

[skaranam]

As per the TV news 12 resignations accepted of the 15 submitted and 27 more to go!
Violence in the University as protest not allowed.
What is the strategy of the pro Telegana legislators and how far will they succeed?
What will be the political outcome?
What will the Srikrishna Commission do/ achieve?
If someone could indicate what's up.

Congress will not let its members resign. It will finish their careers once for all. Also, just by resigning Telangana state is not going to be formed. KCR is hoping the resignations will carry forward his movement. The sore point on the ToR, that is being pedaled, is the reference to United AP movement. T-vadis say Telangana movement is 53 years and United AP is 3 months. How come it is seen equally.? It is absurd argument but that is what is getting touted around.

It is said all TDP members submitted resignation, but to their leader Danam Nagender. This is similar to congress submitting to Sonia. The only hope KCR is through violent demonstration by his goons. The agreed TJAC programme to make other MLAs resign is

a) Dappu chattipu in villages.
b) Send Mandal Level appeal to MLA
c) Squatting in front of the house of MLAs

When all the MLAs are in Hyd. attending budget sessions, where does this TJAC prog. lead to?

TV reports indicate
a) Rasta Roko at some junctions in the city, which end up in lathi charge (Patancheru, Mozamzahi Market)
b) Osmania cancels exams which are supposed to start today.
c) OU students take a rally towards assembly, but police block it.
d) TDP T-MLAs do not attend the Governer address, instead demonstrate at Gandhi Statue at assembly.
d) Police go behind media personnel and use then as a cover, so student throwing stones land on media personnel. (Interesting change in strategy)

[vijayk]

http://www.greatandhra.com/ganews/viewn ... 13&scat=16

Telangana people are now saying ‘What Bandh?’ In locality after locality from Amberpet to Ramanthapur, from Nampally to Abids barbers conducted their business as usual on T-bandh day, yesterday, and they say there is a limit to a sentiment. Many claim that they cannot let go their livelihood for the sake of a single cause of Telangana.

But this is not the case of just the barbers, but vegetable vendors to retail shop owners, all claim that their lives would not change a bit if Telangana is formed, only a handful few will benefit to become Mantris.

These hardworking people are now showing resistance to such meaningless bandhs, and now say that they will show violent resistance if more bandhs are called for. One barber called Ashok is willing to break their legs (Kaallu Iragakodtha) if further bandhs are called for!

My biggest concern now is with the state police occupied with this agitation, the terrorists will attack Hyderabad. Why can't these people let the commission do its work? Are they afraid that their claims of economic backwardness will be exposed by the commission?

[RamaY]

If INC and TDP MLAs do not resign and TRS+TJAC leadership attacks them thru student unions and Maoist goondas then it is a law-and-order issue and will be dealt so.

At the end INC and TDP can blame KCR and maoists for betraying the cause by taking up violence.

Sarvejana sukhino bhavantu!

[joshvajohn]

Congress legislators from Telangana try to disrupt governor's speech
http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed ... 08998.aspx

Telangana agitations rock Andhra again
http://news.oneindia.in/2010/02/15/andh ... rsity.html


The present scenerio shows how much power coastal Andhrites have in influencing the central government and also in keeping the Telanganites in their place.

[Yagnasri]

Now violence has started again. But this time the police seem to be quite aggressive in their approach to the agitators. Lot of students even girls were beaten up. In most of the agitations the innocent will also suffer heavily in the hands of the police.

What surprised me is the speed with which the State Human Rights commission has sent the investigation team immediately as if it has a team readily kept for this purpose. Such rapid complaint (Did it took suo motto action?) to Human Rights Commission and instantaneous deployment of the rights fellows indicate some serious planning has gone into the methods being adopted by the JAC and disturbances may be orchestrated time and again in a well planned manner to test the resolve of the state.

One of the most potent weapons in the hands of the agitators will be Local Television Channels. Since huge revenue is coming (going to come if Telangana comes) from Hyderabad these channels may be willing tools in the hands of the agitators. They have also the TRP ratings of course.

If you are from a Non Telangana areas of AP and regular viewer of these channels you will feel as if you and other people from your districts are the worst scum on earth. Telangana politicians and Intellectuals (???) meaning jholawala over ground naxals regularly abuse all non telangana Telugu people and the interviewers and presenters never try to control them. I never had seen such an impunity given to abuse any other section of the Indian people in TV. Even our “secularist” gang does not use such a language on Hindus.

One of the most regular words used is the word “settler”. Even TV presenters use it for denoting the people from other parts of the AP who settled in Telangana particularly in Hyderabad. All most all the political leaders from Telangana use it. It denoted to mean invader. Most of the time, the voice and tone and tenor of people using the word gives away what they meant by that word.

One of the frequent assurances given is poor settlers need not fear them and they are only against the Capitalist Costal settlers etc. I wonder if Telangana comes who is going to be defined as this capitalist settlers.

Some time back here it was commented that I am paranoid in prediction about the violence. But we have seen before 1982 how Hyderabad was shut for months together under Curfew. I think if none non-AP readers here may remember that sort of situation. We have seen hundreds stabbed in the City every year. This has stopped after NT Rama Rao come into power and used police force to crush these political elements.

The political leaders in AP be it Telangana or other areas (just like leaders of other places in India) never hesitated to use violence for political end. Now Telangana leaders are instigating people by telling them that the evil outsiders (only outsiders here being Telugu people from Non Telangana areas) are looting them. The other line of argument is Telangana is the sole solution to the entire problems of the people and these Invaders are preventing creation of the state. The invaders want continue to loot them and that is the reason for their opposition for the creation of the separate state. So there is reasonable apprehension about violence. Even in 1969 & 1972 agitations also lot of violence has taken place. So whatever is the out come of the present agitation there is a serious chance of violence.

Soon after the December 9th Announcement I saw most of the main line English news papers people appearing on English Channel TV’s and telling how the innocent Telangana people were oppressed by the costal people etc. So the main line in the “national intellectual” scene is that the costal people are evil capitalists who deserve no consideration. Other wise the complete absence of the coverage on the abuses is very difficult to explain. I vaguely remember reading two decades back that Kashmiri Pundits are all landlords and rich people who oppressed the poor Muslims of Kashmir and how the kicking out of Pundits is only an agitation by the oppressed against the oppressors. I don’t think it may repeat here so blatantly but who knows. There is definitely serious fear in lot of Hyderabad residents hailing from Non Telangana areas.

One more thing that is announced is not to use the goods and services of the Non Telangana people. Kodandaram was careful to use the word rich costal people and specifically said common costal people are not included. But how this will be implemented is peacefully any one guess.

[Yagnasri]

Congress legislators from Telangana try to disrupt governor's speech
http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed ... 08998.aspx

Telangana agitations rock Andhra again
http://news.oneindia.in/2010/02/15/andh ... rsity.html


The present scenerio shows how much power coastal Andhrites have in influencing the central government and also in keeping the Telanganites in their place.

No one keeping any one else in their place here. People like Jaipal Reddy are quite close to Rajamatha and if the Ramamatha and her kitchen cabinet decides that it will be benificial to the congress and will contribute to the planed crowning og their prince in 2014 they will divide the state in a second. But it seems they are not so sure about it.

Other problem is what will this force division will result in rest of AP with 25 parliament seats and how this is effect all other saparate state demands (it seems at least some 17 demands are pending across the nation) and how it will effect congress electoral chances in 2014.

[RamaY]

In ABN Andhrajyothy - Open Heart With RK program Manda Krishna Madiga said this

T-JAC convener Prof. Kodanda Ram (he is a Reddy) has been handpicked by KCR and Jana Reddy without the involvement of others. Women wing convener is Umadevi Reddy, youth wing convener is Jitta Balakrishna Reddy, handicapped-wing convener is Satyanarayana Reddy.

No wonder demand for separate Telangana state is an agitation of vested interests, by vested interests, for vested interests.

[skaranam]

I do not understand the violence in the OU. It is said, on Sunday night, students formed a rally in support of resignations and it was spontaneous. This is with exams being the next day. Granted there are some people who do not mind flunking exams (after all there is sept. after march) and also not all disciplines adhere to same schedule. However, every one knows that there is Sec. 144 imposed across the city. Knowing this why the rally and why did they want to have the rally till Tarnaka cross roads (This is a major intersection and has a flyover also). The police objected for this which ensued the stone throwing and the lathi charge.

why does this kind of stuff always happens in OU? There is kakatiya univ. @ warangal. nothing of this sort was seen. How come rallies in OU always spontaneous. How come the human rights commission and the AP High court always penalize the police. Are they blind to see the action of students.

now the concept of girls getting lathi charged. When a lathi charge is happening, the police go about it blindly. They only see the legs and use the canes. Girl or boy if the person is in crowd, they will get beaten. There is no other way about it.

Coming to journalists. i believe they are more guilty than students or police. The police clearly told they are firing in the air using rubber bullets. However, only one channel tells this fact, the other channels say...firing at OU (No rubber bullets, or in the air). Did any of these journalists get an idea, let us co-ordinate with police and get the coverage (similar to other who cover war).

sorry for the rambling...

[milindc]

Congress legislators from Telangana try to disrupt governor's speech
http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed ... 08998.aspx

Telangana agitations rock Andhra again
http://news.oneindia.in/2010/02/15/andh ... rsity.html


The present scenerio shows how much power coastal Andhrites have in influencing the central government and also in keeping the Telanganites in their place.

or it shows how much power Sonia Madam has over the Congress chamchas...

[RamaY]

...
Coming to journalists. i believe they are more guilty than students or police. The police clearly told they are firing in the air using rubber bullets. However, only one channel tells this fact, the other channels say...firing at OU (No rubber bullets, or in the air). Did any of these journalists get an idea, let us co-ordinate with police and get the coverage (similar to other who cover war).

...

This happens all over India.

IMHO, police should arrest few of these journalists and show the videos of their news bulletins as proof for spreading wrong information and instigating violence. Only then the media will the reason to be accurate and moderate in their news presentation.

News sensationalism is taking new heights everyday in India.

[RayC]

I was seeing the TV reports and it is total chaos!

Unfortunate!

Journalists have also been thrashed and bruised.

[RamaY]

The present scenerio shows how much power coastal Andhrites have in influencing the central government and also in keeping the Telanganites in their place.

When one wants to be sympathetic to 20 MLAs (only 20 of 120 T-MLAs belong to TRS and BJP and have resigned so far) and 12MPs, one should be prepared to take the feedback of 150+MLAs and 28 MPs with opposing POV as well.

[ramana]

JJ whats your locus standi on the Telangana issue?

Thanks, ramana

[Sarma]

ramana garu, thanks for the taking initiative with regard to "joshva john." I have been observing this guy for some time now, and he has always been simply posting rabidly pro-separate-T-state articles from all and sundry websites. Nothing wrong per se with posting pro-T articles, but JJ doesn't utter or say one word in justification or argument. Never has said one line of argument, except to post some sidee articles.

[svinayak]

The present scenerio shows how much power coastal Andhrites have in influencing the central government and also in keeping the Telanganites in their place.

JJ, Is there anything special about coastal Andhrites.

[ramana]

I just want to know the locus standi for in a debate one has to know where the other is coming from.

[RamaY]

...
Journalists have also been thrashed and bruised.

Unfortunate, but some of these journalists deserve it. I have seen very few discussions in electronic/print media on pros and cons of this agitaiton. The media is behaving as propaganda mission (one or the otherside) instead of presenting "accurate" news and "objective" analysis.

[Satya_anveshi]

Satya-Anveshi garu,

I hear from my Telangana region friends that the commons (farmers, businessmen etc) are not interested in separate statehood, and only govt employees are strongly behind the agitation. I hear that these teachers, Govt. employees are fanning the Telangana regionalism.

Is it correct?

RamaY garu,

I must say that it is patently incorrect. This goes against even the basic fact that all political parties have been milking the Telangana feelings for quite sometime.

Further, as I said earlier, I have grown up in Telangana, used to spend my summers in villages, have travelled and interacted with various sections of population. Many of my cousins are farmers, some are govt employees, friends are small businessmen, my mom is a teacher, dad is retired. None of whom are remotely connected to politics to 3-4 generations(beyond that I don’t know and does not matter) and my parents have quite a few times took great risks in delivering their duties to preside over the elections in naxal infested areas in spite of life threats. My observations are based on these combination of factors plus my frequent calls to them to inquire and understand their perspective.

We can all argue and debate over how justified their feelings are and what could be the right solution, where does this issue figure over the rest of the issues they are bothered about, but there is no question of their support to Telangana. Not one Telangana politician has voiced United Andhra stand and in many ways it is amazing that politicians of all hues are still standing united - that in itself should tell us something.

[RamaY]

^^^

Satya-Anveshi garu,

Thanks for the insight. I agree that people are seeing this issue from their own perspective. You are correct that not a single T-politician is supporting United Andhra cause at this time.

In your opinion, how bad is this anti-Andhra feeling? Is it a strategy to get separate Telangana state or is it Telangana-state agnostic?

[Satya_anveshi]

why does this kind of stuff always happens in OU? There is kakatiya univ. @ warangal. nothing of this sort was seen. How come rallies in OU always spontaneous.

The things that Sarma garu earlier said about OU hostels being den of criminals is very true. It is just that some SC/ST(backward class) students find it profitable to stay in the rolls forever, milk govt funds and play into politician's scheme of things than try to enter the workforce and earn a decent living. This type of movement is a god given opportunity to jack up their earnings and prominence.

My dad-in-law was saying that some of them are hired from outside (the state) too. Obviously voilence is going to muddy and complicate a lot of matters.

[ramana]

The hostels were not limited to particular groups. In the late sixties the groups were from all classes. The common thread was the political backing they all had. Some of the stalwarts were latter involved in the campus civil wars of mid 70s.

[RamaY]

The hostels were not limited to particular groups. In the late sixties the groups were from all classes. The common thread was the political backing they all had. Some of the stalwarts were latter involved in the campus civil wars of mid 70s.

The ABVP leader "Chandra" got killed by Maoists 5-6 years ago was my batch mate. I left OU campus in 1993.

[ramana]

20 years before you left OU, there was a campus war in which George Reddy, a Maoist died. It made the NYT.

[Satya_anveshi]

In your opinion, how bad is this anti-Andhra feeling? Is it a strategy to get separate Telangana state or is it Telangana-state agnostic?

RamaY garu,

I don't think you can all it anti-andhra feeling rather a pro-telangana feeling. We have not heard of one (not even australia type of incidents) happening to andhra people in ANY part of Telangana. If we review history of voilence in the region I think only two types of incidents look prominent:

1. Pre-NTR, communal voilence in Hyd - we now know that this is INC/BJP triggered voilence to segregate and consolidate votes along communal lines.
2. Naxal - I don't even know what they wanted/want now - perhaps further land reforms. This fight was against law enforement people.

I don't know how it was in 1969 agitation but want to learn if there was any targeted voilence or hatred against andhras.

On the contrary, most are actually growing and controlling things. It could be the perception that WE could have grown better if we had control of our governance, I could be having a job, WHY should someone give me what I already have type of feelings. When you have a collective identity, you try to stick with it and difficult to come out of.