J & K news and discussion

[Gerard]

Some of the young Kashmiris have taken to calling themselves the Asian Palestine, and they believe they're fighting the Kashmiri intifada.

Poor fellows, not being Arab sure hurts.
Nothing, not the right to vote, not government subsidies, not economic opportunity, not the right to live anywhere, nothing can erase that takleef. So these morons imagine themselves as oppressed Arabs.

And these American analysts still dreaming of a Kashmir proxy state they can use to dominate the region.

[Pranav]

Kudos to the thumb twiddling bunch for their inaction and pandering for last couple of decades.

A very serious observation something which BRF or those not from Kashmir might not be aware of.

Tear gas in Kashmir

And art 370 and chai biskoot with TSP have only worsened the things.

I think it's more a case of misbehavior by delinquent young males. Women and older people are probably far less affected.

It's is probably true that article 370 has resulted in reduced economic activities, leading to a somewhat larger population of delinquent young males. But I don't think the situation in irretrievable.

[negi]

Some of the young Kashmiris have taken to calling themselves the Asian Palestine, and they believe they're fighting the Kashmiri intifada.

Poor fellows, not being Arab sure hurts.
Nothing, not the right to vote, not government subsidies, not economic opportunity, not the right to live anywhere, nothing can erase that takleef. So these morons imagine themselves as oppressed Arabs.

And these American analysts still dreaming of a Kashmir proxy state they can use to dominate the region.

Gerard I don't know if such outlook with regards to people from our country helps (that if we wish to keep Kashmir for eternity) , As for what GOI does for the region well with likes of PDP , JKLF and Hurriyat BS blaring in the valley how can we expect the common man to know as to what GOI does for them , for them the paramilitary and IA represent the GOI .

NC,PDP and other separatists refer to GOI as if it were a foreign government during all their public speeches or even official press releases (thanks to art370). To be honest the kind of autonomy with which state government operates in the valley is scary they for all political purposes are as independent as any region can be , when GOI does not have the state political parties in control how can we expect the common man on streets to tow our line ?

The movement of youths across the LoC has increased only recently along with stone pelting mobs and I am willing to bet all these enjoy a support from state political outfits (JKLF, Hurriyat and even PDP for paramilitary and IA are under GOI ) this is very much akin to the years of appeasement of the maoists/naxals in the east however in this case they are being sold 'AZADI'.

Con party has only behaved like pimps when dealing with PDP and NC instead of reigning these forces they were happy to let them enjoy a free ride for a few seats and cabinet berths .

[krithivas]

BJP fears India’s control over Kashmir will be diluted
http://beta.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 105786.ece

Leader of the Opposition in the Rajya Sabha Arun Jaitley felt that the Prime Minister would take the India-Pakistan dialogue in a direction that would lead to a borderless Kashmir, where currencies of India and Pakistan would be a legal tender and there would be a sort of joint governance over the whole of Kashmir, including Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). This would mean dilution of India’s control and governance of Kashmir.

Indian PM Dr. Singh is slowly but surely unwinding India following his illustrious peer Mikail Gorbachov .....

[Gerard]

how can we expect the common man on streets to tow our line ?

We have to be honest and call a spade a spade. Why the obligation to humor delusional fools?

The very notion of 'intifada' in J+K is ludicrous. It is an insult to the genuine Palestinian grievance.

Those with such delusions need to be offered free psychiatric medical help because the solution to their problem lies not in the political sphere but in the pharmacological one.

[Pranav]

I think it's more a case of misbehavior by delinquent young males.

Consider the recent case of the teenager Zahid Farooq:

The delinquency:

“Zahid failed in two subjects in Class 10. Since then he had been insisting me to allow him start a business venture. But I wanted that he still continued with studies,” said senior Farooq, his voice chocked with emotions. It was only last month that the father managed to prevail upon Zahid. "He finally agreed to pursue his studies.”

http://www.risingkashmir.com/index.php? ... 9&Itemid=1

The consequences:

The BSF officer had gone for a routine medical check-up. Zahid and other teenagers were on their way home after rains that had forced them to abandon a cricket match.

When they saw the BSF vehicles approaching, they began jeering at them. Suddenly, the two BSF vehicles stopped and the troopers jumped out. So did the officer in the civvies. There was a verbal altercation. The boys hurled abuses at the BSF men and began running.

http://www.kashmirwatch.com/showhumanri ... value0news

The response from the BSF personnel was disproportionate.

But on the other hand, it's far easier to nurse imaginary grievances and dream about becoming a Ghazi and slaughtering Kaffirs, than it is to be a sincere student. Stone-throwing has now become a well-organized and well-funded business, which will suck in these delinquents.

Need to change the culture and the discourse, so that such specimens are universally treated with the derision they deserve.

[CRamS]

pandyan:

We have discussed this show. Just go back a few posts .

[Gerard]

Consider this Indian national and resident of Jammu and Kashmir



Is rational discussion possible with this sort? Or should people just laugh and move on?

[Avinash R]

When they saw the BSF vehicles approaching, they began jeering at them. Suddenly, the two BSF vehicles stopped and the troopers jumped out. So did the officer in the civvies. There was a verbal altercation. The boys hurled abuses at the BSF men and began running.

http://www.kashmirwatch.com/showhumanri ... value0news

Thanks for this post which hints at the real cause for the shooting, pseudo news channels have buried this part of the incident and only mention the shooting.

[negi]

Gerard garu I am surprised at such gung ho thoughts coming from you (I am not complaining ).My only point is given GOI's stance on the issue and our history of approaching dissent specially when it emanates from so called 'minority' community I wonder if what you advocate/suggest even crosses GOI's mind.

Hence my point about dividing the friggin state.

[Avinash R]

Pak troops violate ceasefire along border yet again

Jammu, Feb 13 (PTI) In yet another ceasefire violation, Pakistani troops tonight fired rockets on Indian posts along the Line of Control in Poonch sector of Jammu and Kashmir, a senior army officer said..

[jamwal]

Cross-post from UK thread

Jammu & Kashmir was an artificial construct, it was given to Gulab Singh Dogra on an apparent sale of 75 Lakhs. That sale was a pretense; it was an award to Gulab Singh for his services to the British & his treasons to his own nation.

Reading too much Khalistani propoganda Surinder jee??

[Airavat]

^^^^

This was discussed in the "Distorted History" thread on GD. Let's keep this thread only for news and current events, not past history.

[Avinash R]

Two top Hizbul militants killed in Kashmir encounter in Kulgam district of South Kashmir on Monday morning.
The militants were identified as Ashraf Maulvi and Raouf Ahmad Bhat.
15 February 2010

[preeshcode]

Consider this Indian national and resident of Jammu and Kashmir



Is rational discussion possible with this sort? Or should people just laugh and move on?

I think most of the agitations are from the poorest sections of the society. Just as with any other poor population, people living in downtown Srinagar are getting paid to take up arms, shout azadi slogans, and throw stones at the police. If The GoI has to succeed, it needs to cut off the funding to this population, get them educated and provide them with meaningful jobs that keep them occupied. Once the welfare of their families become more important than a jihadi cause, the so-called struggle would slowly die away. Right now, the monetary incentive to shout azadi slogans is too high and its costs too low. Gotta reverse this situation.

[jamwal]

J&K was never poor, before and after the start of terrorism. These Kashmiri muslims brought all the trouble (apparent) onto themselves.
FYI, this comical RageBoy, a school dropout entirely because he is too stupid to learn has the following dream:

"I want to marry a Non-Muslim woman and convert her to Islam." When asked why, He replied, "I have been told that if I can convince a non-Muslim woman to marry me, but not convert her by force, then there will be a place for me in heaven."

What's the lure of money for such people ?

[preeshcode]

Other solutions:
1. A forced military draft in the state and recruit all these youths as a reserve force. All you need to do is some tough discipline and self worth training for 2 to 3 years. An Israel like mandatory army training could be imposed.
2. Develop J&K quickly so that people who want to progress just end up ostracizing these insane mullahs.
3. Increase the social costs of living in J&K - cut power, water supply etc. Reward neighbors with good behavior certain incentives such as cash rewards, tax abatements, even a free trip to haj maybe.

I think the "going to heaven" is just a cover to keep getting money from the religious organizations based in PoK. My point is a social cost (short of getting killed by Army/Paramilitary firing) should be imposed for such behavior. By dragging this conflict, in a way, the government is precisely doing that. Palestinians despite their Intifada have no option but to work in Israel as Israel's economy is just huge compared to the much poorer Arab ideology based Palestinian economy. I have seen videos where Palestinian youth are breaking down the walls that Israel built across Gaza strip to go work in Israel. Reality ultimately hits and such youth invariably turn away from violence. But what Israel did better was that it completely blocked funds to Palestinian leadership and its stone-pelting youths in a way the Indian government has not been able to. Pakistanis are still printing Indian money and channeling funds through Nepal to J&K. The whole machinery needs to be shut down by intelligence agencies.

[Pranav]

Other solutions:
A forced military draft in the state and recruit all these youths as a reserve force. All you need to do is some tough discipline and self worth training for 2 to 3 years. An Israel like mandatory army training could be imposed.

That's highly dangerous unless combined with re-education to reverse madrassa indoctrination.

[preeshcode]

Yes, re-education and fresh indoctrination about "living a better life, in a better world" by being in the armed reserves is a must. Favorable home loans, education loans, food supply, health insurance, free haj trips on military planes etc. should be provided in turn for signing up to be in active reserves and undergoing training two weekends every month for a period of 3 to 5 years. The other thing this does is it keeps track of all youth and makes youth to get to know each other, and imposes a huge social cost for giving up this lifestyle. Getting these youth married and having them have children and a family should also be on top of the list. People with children dont go to wars easily. Also, expand the NREGS scheme to J&K and recruit youth to build infrastructure. Along with plans to thwart terrorist attacks by force, GoI needs to come up with out of the box thinking to get such plans in action, IMO. They also need to go after the top terrorist leadership and infiltrate and get hold of the "Odessa File". Have you seen how Jews got hold of the Odessa file and tracked down every top killer of theirs and shut down the financial pipeline?
Of course, like happened in the US, a Muslim officer could shoot his camp fellow mates, but is that a calculated risk that the GoI can take?

[Victor]

Why aren't our otherwise-loudmouthed netas shouting about this and why isn't it splashed on page one of the Indian press? The elections were stolen at gunpoint in Gilgit-Baltistan from the India-friendly Balawaristan National Front to make it the 5th province of TSP by force. The people are mad about it and have always wanted India to help them. Could be a replay of 1971 but the wimps in Delhi are strangely quiet about something this serious happening in what they have the balls to call an "integral part of India".
Women in Gilgit Protest Atrocities of Pakistani Army

[preeshcode]

The way Pakistan works is:

- Pakistan Army establishes all these businesses and run its own companies and uses profits from them to fuel the war machine, proxy wars etc. It is only minimally reliant on Pakistan government's budget.
- It let in Saudi Arabia and its Wahabi style madrassah brainwashing in return for subsidized energy and oil supplies to Pakistan Army businesses. The Pakistan Army has such a grip on the businesses in Pakistan that most large companies in their stock exchanges are owned by the Pak Army. Any Army that has an independent source of funding such as this is a state within a state and points to the dismal failure of the Pakistani constitution.
- Pak Army manipulates elections in various provinces and never learns from it - be it Bangladesh, Balochistan, Sindh or G&B. A lack of an independent election commission points once again to the gross failure of the pakistani constitution.
- They have not passed land reform measures, meaning that feudalism in rampant much like some of the backward states in India.
- Overall, Pakistan has managed to produce an entire nation of disgruntled youth. Then they offer Army and Jihadi (para-Army) employment (read cannon fodder ala NLI) to these same deprived youth. Compare this to India where the Army is having trouble recruiting officers because of better private employment opportunities.
- Thus Pak has created an entire nation of slogan shouting youth whose only way out is to join the Army or the Jihadi elements. Such a nation is a ticking time bomb for the region as well as Central Asia/China. All those who share Pakistan's land borders are cursed, so to speak. No wonder even the Afghanis hate Pakistanis to the core.

IMO, Pakistan needs to be taken over by a UN-mandated government and cleaned up over the next 20 years or so by getting rid of all the businesses that the Pak Army controls, making the Army submit to the constitution, strengthening democratic institutions, getting rid of Saudi Arabia from Pak etc.

[Pranav]

Yes, re-education and fresh indoctrination about "living a better life, in a better world" by being in the armed reserves is a must. Favorable home loans, education loans, food supply, health insurance, free haj trips on military planes etc. should be provided in turn for signing up to be in active reserves and undergoing training two weekends every month for a period of 3 to 5 years. The other thing this does is it keeps track of all youth and makes youth to get to know each other, and imposes a huge social cost for giving up this lifestyle. Getting these youth married and having them have children and a family should also be on top of the list. People with children dont go to wars easily. Also, expand the NREGS scheme to J&K and recruit youth to build infrastructure. Along with plans to thwart terrorist attacks by force, GoI needs to come up with out of the box thinking to get such plans in action, IMO. They also need to go after the top terrorist leadership and infiltrate and get hold of the "Odessa File". Have you seen how Jews got hold of the Odessa file and tracked down every top killer of theirs and shut down the financial pipeline?
Of course, like happened in the US, a Muslim officer could shoot his camp fellow mates, but is that a calculated risk that the GoI can take?

Bribing people to behave better doesn't work and only earns you their contempt. Can the GoI can offer the same amenities to say poor Hindus from Bihar or Maharashtra? Also, offering free Haj trips is not the best way of reversing Madrassa indoctrination.

[preeshcode]

The assumption here is that Pak Army is paying these people to shout and shoot. If Hindus in Bihar are getting paid that way as well, then the GoI has to negate that as well. The question is what is being done to snatch the purse strings out of these uneducated Kashmiris. If they are going to keep getting money - legally or illegally, then that's a big problem to solve. Use of force alone wont solve that problem. Right now the money trail in Pakistan is something like this:

Saudi Arabia Madrassah Development Fund+ Pak Army fauji Foundation Trust Fund = tax-exempt investment in terrorism infrastructure+salaries to terrorists

The Madrassah Fund and the Fauji Foundation have to be eliminated for this to stop. Or, the GoI has to pay more than the development fund+trust fund put together. This is a money game and that's all there is to it.

[Sanku]

Revoke 370 all the development-shevolpment will happen, the lazy valley Kashmiri will also get a taste of what work looks like.

No need to do anything as complicated as an elaborate bribe program -- let Darwinan evolution win, trying to artificially suppress it has not gotten anyone anywhere.

[RamaY]

Gerard garu I am surprised at such gung ho thoughts coming from you (I am not complaining ).My only point is given GOI's stance on the issue and our history of approaching dissent specially when it emanates from so called 'minority' community I wonder if what you advocate/suggest even crosses GOI's mind.

Hence my point about dividing the friggin state.

Will it be an easy task? What will be the consequences?

1. Is it possible under A370?
2. What will be the structure for Ladakh and Jammu? Abolition of A370?
3. What will be the structure for Kashmir Valley? A370 or not?
4. How the resources are split?
5. What will be the roadmap for each new state?
6. How do we handle the new Kashmir Valley state?

Just few questions.

[RamaY]

Revoke 370 all the development-shevolpment will happen, the lazy valley Kashmiri will also get a taste of what work looks like.

No need to do anything as complicated as an elaborate bribe program -- let Darwinan evolution win, trying to artificially suppress it has not gotten anyone anywhere.

This is the real solution. If JK is integral part of India, treat it so.

[wig]

the state of affairs is confusing (that is an understatement)
look at it this way, first the CM of the State wants to invite back the people of POK so that they can settle here. that presumably includes the elements that went over to operate weapons, return and engage in pillage, rape,murder -of course later on they metamorphosed into Malik, Yaseen types.
now the HM chime in and also feels that these persons should be welcome back. (clarifications will probably come once the matter heats up and hopefully public opinion goes the other way)
however way back in 1948 lots of Hindus migrated to J&K to save their lives, and honour. A large number of them termed WEst POk refugees have till date not been granted citizenship (State Subject under Article 370). They still (or at least the desecendents ) agitate from time to time for simple things like admission to education courses, cheap loans (self employemnt loa ns) and the right to buy some land to build houses.
similar is the status of women who married out side J&K. Should they lose their husbands(demise or divorce or anything else) and have to return to J&K they or their children are denied the right to education, land ownership, jobs and anything else.
to me this has always seemed discrimaination between men and women- of course it is not envisoned in the Consittution of India or for that matter the Constituion of J&K.
But this is the ground reality.
now what i do not understand and what pains me is why does the HM (P C Chidambram) and the CM (omar Abdullah) yowl with all their collective energy for the welfare of people who can only think in terms of raping and pillage while turning blind eye to the oppression and discrimination of poor folks who abide by the law and try to make both ends meet by holding on to low paying private jobs.

[AjayKK]

now what i do not understand and what pains me is why does the HM (P C Chidambram) and the CM (omar Abdullah) yowl with all their collective energy for the welfare of people who can only think in terms of raping and pillage while turning blind eye to the oppression and discrimination of poor folks who abide by the law and try to make both ends meet by holding on to low paying private jobs.

I am convinced this is truly a Chankian strategy beyond our collective simple minds.

The idea is to invite the poor people of the "Azad Kashmir" part of PoK to come and see for themselves, how free their coreligious brethren are in the state. Once, the people of Muzaffarabad, Mirpur and other districts come and see the prosperity of the people in Srinagar and elsewhere, they would surely want to return to this side. Who wouldn't want to be a part of multi trillion dollar economy , atleast in Kashmir, where almost every family has someone working in the government?

They would also see, that apart from being heavily subsidised by the GoI, the people of Kashmir have access to various entertainment, rest and relaxation outlets chiefly among them being turning up at rallies and stone trowing ceremonies. You see, in the Olympics, they have the javelin throwing and the shortput, both track -field events. In Kashmir, our tea is pink and our people turn up in track suits on the fields and indulge in stone throwing as seen here and here. Just a different culture and heritage from other Indians, nothing more at all.

Once the people of the "Azad Kashmir" are convinced, how much time before the people of the "Northern Areas", the seven districts of Gilgit-Baltistan demand that they too be allowed to come and see the "Indian Kashmir" ? Nobody talks about them in India proper, even if they want to merge their seven districts with India because their issue is "pending until the solution of Kashmir" . Unfortunately, the people of Gilgit-Baltistan are not as "enthusiastic" as the Sunni Musslims of the other parts of the valley in the cause of Kashmir brotherhood. Even a healthy dose of Pathan settlers have not changed their outlook. However, once the "Azad Kashmir" misguided gun-men and acid-women come home, we can also invite the humble "Northern Areas" folks. As a result, all of the original state of Jammu and Kashmir will belong to us without as much firing a single shot.

The plight of Kashmiri Hindus is really "unfortunate" , perhaps after we have all the areas of Jammu and Kashmir under Indian rule, a committee can be formed to look into the same. On women who lose their men and also lose their right to land ownership, jobs, i recall that the last time Sri Omar Abdulla in the opposition wanted to champion the Jammu and Kashmir Permanent Residents (Disqualification) Bill 2004 which would prevent the "erosion of the rich culture and heritage of the State and change its ethnic, linguistic, religious and demographic character." by relieving women who marry non-"permanent resident" men of all rights.

But since the Kashmiris are a special culture and a special people, this is unfortunately needed and Sri Abdulla , a proud Indian as he said in the Parliament debate, is really the right man to lead "Kashmir" in this decade.

Chidambaram chairs meeting of Unified Command

Jammu, Feb 17 (PTI) Union Home Minister P Chidambaram today chaired the meeting of the Unified Command to discuss the security situation in Jammu and Kashmir.

Tight security arrangements have been made for the Home Minister's visit in view of the state BJP's plan to gherao him to protest his approval of the policy to allow surrender of militants mooted by Chief Minister Omar Abdullah.

[Avinash R]

Two militants killed in 11-hour gunbattle in Baramulla
Feb 17, 2010

The ultras, believed to be affiliated with Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM), were killed at Kuchwa Muqam village of Chandoosa...

[ramana]

Chidambaram no to return of Sikhs from PoK fuels anger in Punjab

Wow so GOI has a returnee religious selection policy?

[negi]

^ Well this has been one major sore issue of this Government i.e. they have resorted to petty politics of religious appeasement , such has been the exhibition of communal bias that even HM and PMO have made direct and public utterances which are against the very spirit of the 'secular' fabric (as defined in letter by the constitution).

Basically another example of GOI caving in front of the separatist forces in the valley which are not in favor of integration of J&K with India as influx of people from any other religious background other than IMs is seen as a threat by so called protectors of 'kashmiriyat'.

Chidambaram can only scowl and shut common man in reality shows questioning GOI's response to 26/11 , when it comes to the core issue of addressing religious divide without bias/prejudices he has been no different from typical Congress HMs of past.

[krithivas]

The assasination of PM Mrs. Indira Gandhi must have clouded Congress's judgement. This could explain when there is a real personal stake, then politicians in India do maintain their position.

[Carl_T]

I think most of the agitations are from the poorest sections of the society. Just as with any other poor population, people living in downtown Srinagar are getting paid to take up arms, shout azadi slogans, and throw stones at the police.

I disagree, I'm of course not saying we should give up Kashmir, but I think we do need to consider that independence has been a movement in Kashmir since well before the 80s and even before Partition, especially within the elite sections of the society. That is where the problem comes from.

We should have integrated Kashmir long ago and used Article 370 as only a temporary 5-10 year measure.

[Rudradev]

Chidambaram no to return of Sikhs from PoK fuels anger in Punjab

Wow so GOI has a returnee religious selection policy?

Of course boss. Sikhs in PoK can remain in PoK as far as the MMS regime is concerned. Kashmiri Pandits ethnically cleansed from the valley, can remain in their camps.

After all neither of these communities should have "first right" to India's resources no?

[niran]

Breaking NEWS:
Abdullah Yuni LET (India CEO) along with his 4 entourage has been cornered in Soporwada.
8 houses has been isolated.

[chetak]

Breaking NEWS:
Abdullah Yuni LET (India CEO) along with his 4 entourage has been cornered in Soporwada.
8 houses has been isolated.

Onward travel arrangements are hopefully being made!!

[niran]

Correction,the place is Sophor not wada the number is believed to be four they have been isolated and believed to be among 8 houses. Inshallah all of them shall be dispatched to jahnum.

[Carl_T]

I find it unfair that they will get 72 dark eyed virgins for this.


Why don't we get any!!!!!?

[RayC]

Consider this Indian national and resident of Jammu and Kashmir



Is rational discussion possible with this sort? Or should people just laugh and move on?

He does not look like a Kashmiri.

He is dark and he is snub nosed!

[sum]

A re-read of the amazing stuff our forces to keep J&K with us:

CI Operations in Jammu & Kashmir--L.N. SUBRAMANIAN

Under IG Patel, the force learnt to carry out coordinated drills like road opening parties, lay ambushes, etc. These tactics learnt in the harsh environment extracted a heavy price from BSF personnel who died as well as incidents of PTDS. The BSF had to start from scratch in its operations. There was no file on any known militants. The JK Police was full of sympathizers who could not be relied. An example of what they were against is illustrated with the following case. In April 1990 the police/BSF carried out cordon and search operations to locate Mushir-ul-Haq and H Khera. Raiding the house of a businessman Hafizullah Bhat they trapped four men one of whom tried to escape by jumping from the window to an adjacent building. He was injured and on capture was taken to SMHS hospital. The other three turned out to be Iqbal Gandroo, Javed Ahmad Zargar and an unknown JKLF activist. What the BSF did not know was that the injured man was Yasin Malik. Both the police and doctors at SMHS kept quiet and in fact helped spirit him away claiming he was rescued by his supporters. A Kashmiri Pandit nurse who overheard a doctor helping the terrorist was raped and murdered.

So IG Patel started from scratch. The BSF's intelligence wing, the 'G' branch, would generate information based on interrogation and worked on a strategy of letting the minor figures go in order to trap the important figures. Along with it the BSF signal's intercept capability was improved. Putting the 2 together the G branch identified precise locations of militants. Special teams would then move around in jeeps without the benefit of larger units to cordon off. They would sneak in to the hostile neighborhoods, grab the suspects and dash out. This dangerous game started paying off as more and more precise info started coming in. In addition the BSF boosted its signal intercept capability. The BSF also started equipping with Carl Gustaf 84 mm RCLs and automatic grenade launchers although the numbers are still spread thin.

Lack of intelligence due to the wiping out of IB and State Police Intel network it initially had to take the sledgehammer cordon and search method to locate the militants. Then as it built up a Intel network and with the increase used of signal Intelligence it was able to use precise information to target high profile militants. By 1995 the Hizbul was reduced to using IEDs and mines. After 1995 operations moved into a higher gear. The Special Forces were now established and their skills gave the Army the tools it needed. Using specific information the Special Forces could move in and eliminate whole mujahid units. Special Forces men dressed as locals mingled in and started hitting back. They could even move in the 10000 ft passes carrying out ambushes. They also moved across the LOC much deeper then the 1- 5 km penetration by the regular Army units. Their presence had the effect of forcing the ISI and Pakistani military of moving most of the training camps towards the sanctuary of the Afghan border. These operations also extracted a price.

Do we still do the bolded part or have recent Govts stopped it after the fencing?

In addition to the Special Forces, units from the National Security Guards and the Marine Commandos also got involved. The Marine Commandos took positions in and around the Wullar lake cutting off infiltration routes and taking away the safe havens for militants. On occasion if the situation allowed heavier firepower was used. Trapped mujahid units have been pummeled by BMP cannons and machine gun fire from Mi-25 and Lancer helicopters. Mi-17 helicopters have been used to move QRTs as well as provide suppressive fire especially in the Doda region . The army, however, has been reluctant to use this on a everyday basis in order not to hand the propaganda victory to the mujahid. The Army also turned around some militant units. While the results they definitely created confusion turmoil amongst the militants. In addition in minority villages Village Defence Committees (VDC) were raised consisting of ex servicemen and other able bodied. With primitive weapons these have occasionally managed to inflict casualties on the militants. These VDCs are being further enhanced with the supply of more SLRs and radio sets.

Someone earlier was asking about link showing NSG serving in J&K.