Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Jan. 29, 2010

[archan]

Lost passport

There is a rumour that UK Border Agency has employed Indians in Abu Dhabi for the processing of passports and they are stealing passports of Pakistanis that have value, have valid visas and their stealing can deprive Pakistanis like me of an opportunity to attend international meetings and can deprive us of an opportunity to represent Pakistan at international forums.

See! and BRFites complain that India does not do enough covert action! pakis can see India everywhere.

[ramana]

ramana

I agree. But what I'm trying to say is not that the consolidation will not happen.

Rather, I bet that once TSPA realizes that a consolidation is happening, it will also see that its role will be reduced after any consolidation.

See TSPA is the classic bania in this scheme, ironically. It is the middleman and it will need to be seen as the only party that can bring Afghan factions together.

If Haqqani and Omar were to unite, they will each no longer be so dependent on ISI. Think about it.

Lets get the terminology right. Haqqani and Omar getting together is Ghilzai consolidation. We need to know th tribal pecking order of Omar and Haqqani to see if this is feasible.

If the Ghilzais and the Popalzais get together its Pashtun reconciliation.

What you say that ISI loses its relevance is if Pashtun reconiliation occurs.

As to Afghan reconcilation its a bigger picture involving Pashtuns, Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbegs etc.

What I am saying is that its in ISI interests now to consolidate the Ghilzai forces i.e. the remaining Quetta Shura and the Haqqanis factions. And if they are not amenable then they will let US know their cooridinates to do the needful. Ghilzai consolidation is essential for ISI to get a seat at the negotiating table of Pashtun reconcilation.

PS: Please dont use Indic terms to describe the TSP/ISI. Middleman is apt.


I have thought a lot about it.

[V_Raman]

does this imply that pak is accepting that it cannot influence afghanistan, but is trying to preserve the sanctity of durrand line?

[Pranav]

Analysis: Pakistan grandstanding spells a diplomatic disaster

In the full glare of the media, Bashir told India "do not lecture to us". He ticked off the Indian Army chief. He repeatedly seemed to single out Prime Minister Manmohan Singh as the only man with a 'vision' in the Indian government.

http://news.rediff.com/special/2010/feb ... saster.htm

One is filled with apprehension about what the good doctor's "vision" means for poor SDREs.

[Jarita]

^^^ As mentioned on twitter, actually vision of the viceroy of India since good doctor is only a proxy

[amdavadi]

All paquis are doing is delaying creation of pakhtunistan.They are worried about pakhtuns from both side of durand line comming together.

[sanjaykumar]

See! and BRFites complain that India does not do enough covert action! pakis can see India everywhere.


Pakistanis start off in one direction and always end up pointing to India.

It is called Peyronie's disease.

[CRamS]

One of course needs a weak, pussilanimous party (India) for the art of diplomacy which Unkil has mastered to succeed, but neverthless it is an art

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/26/world ... lobal-home

Any easing of tensions between the two countries ( In other words terrorism against India is "tension between India and TSP" ) would be a boon to the Obama administration, which, in the past, has been frustrated by the reluctance of the Pakistan military to shift forces away from its border with India in order to fight Taliban insurgents ( Of course Taliban insurgents confronting the west is unadulterated evil that must be eliminated by TSPA unlike terror against India for which India must make concessions ) and also better secure its western border with Afghanistan.

[ramana]

CRS, Dont go off the handle but, if the TSPA starts working on the dregs in the badlands it starts the unravelling.

So its a cowering Chankian strategy * to make the gorilla force the monkey to self neuter itself. Lets wait and see.


See how TSP turned on Barader and other half of Quetta Shura and arrested them? Even the US could never make them do what a whiff/hint of potential association with Indians did!

BTW, did you see the NTR movie Krishna Deva Raya?

[Gerard]

Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir told reporters here that there was "clear evidence of (Indian) activities prejudicial to Pakistan's security being undertaken from foreign soil, including efforts at destabilization, supply of weapons to militants and terrorists".
"We have ample evidence, including photographic evidence, of these activities."

Again with the foreskins?

[A_Gupta]

The Sify article on Pakistan: Clearly the authors are regular lurkers/ contributors here..

Actually, I sincerely hope not. It is a very comforting thought that desis who may have never heard of BRF have come to identical conclusions about TSP, independently and based on the evidence. Seeing through the WKKs and the less than courageous politicians.

[Amber G.]

Mullahs, go to google and type this:
"Why is there"

Note the first auto suggestion:
"Why is there a dead pakistani on my couch"

Also the top few answer of that from Yahoo answer:
(Best Answer): Well, what were you feeding him?
(Ohers): Sorry. I couldn't fit him in my trunk. I'll come by and get him later.
...! Keep him there while i call the F.B.I.
...because youre too lazy to bury him

[Mahendra]

Madrassa math or fact?
Thirty thousand Pakistanis dead since 2003

Did the 6s and 4s over the past 7 years add up to >30,000

[anupmisra]

Pakistani passenger screening by TSA at JFK
AoA! Special treatment awaits TFTA travellers.

A PIA spokesman said that TSA has notified PIA about enhanced screening of Pakistani Passport Holders travelling from USA that the baggage of such passengers would go through a CTX machine, a x-ray machine for luggage that detect other unidentifiable objects as well, and the selected searches of passengers. If a Pakistani passport is produced, the passenger, irrespective of age and gender will have to undergo selectee screening.

[saip]

Did the 6s and 4s over the past 7 years add up to >30,000

The figure apparently includes those injured (in spite of the headline)

[anupmisra]

Just when you thought that you had heard all the bellyaching and whining coming out of the paki musharraf, here's one more that defies logic:

India focus on Mumbai 'unfair'

It is unfair and unrealistic and, in our view, counterproductive to...keep the focus on that (Mumbai)

Pakistan does not believe that India should lecture us and demand Pakistan does this or that

“We are not desperate,” Bashir stressed

We have suffered many, many hundreds of Mumbais

Was this rhona-dhona because India forces change in Pakistan delegation for talks

One day before the India-Pakistan secretary level talks take place, India has forced Pakistan to alter its delegation for the meeting virtually defeating Islamabad’s desire for meaningful and purposeful negotiations on critical issues straining bilateral ties.

Double

[saip]

Pakistani passenger screening by TSA at JFK
AoA! Special treatment awaits TFTA travellers.

A PIA spokesman said that TSA has notified PIA about enhanced screening of Pakistani Passport Holders travelling from USA that the baggage of such passengers would go through a CTX machine, a x-ray machine for luggage that detect other unidentifiable objects as well, and the selected searches of passengers. If a Pakistani passport is produced, the passenger, irrespective of age and gender will have to undergo selectee screening.

In my opinion they are getting off lightly. They should be strip searched which should include body cavity searches for both men and women.

[anupmisra]

In my opinion they are getting off lightly. They should be strip searched which should include body cavity searches for both men and women.

That's not fair. Why subject a paki to something that he/she will actually look forward to? Makes travel more fun for them.

[ramana]

Nightwatch laments on the TSP hatred despite Billions of aid money sent by US.

Pakistan: Special note. The second part of yesterday’s PBS show Frontline concerned the condition of the public school system in Pakistan. It has collapsed in nearly every respect.

The video report noted that nearly half of the 65 million school age kids in Pakistan do not attend public schools. It did not follow-up that datum to report that a large percentage of the children not in public school learn to read and write in religious schools associated with mosque. The madrasah teaches boys and girls to read, write and recite the Quran, among other basics. In many regions and cities of Pakistan, attendance at the madrasah is the only path to semi-literacy for the children of the poor.

The collapse of the public school system has been the subject of editorials and studies for decades. The video report was not newsworthy on that account. It was significant that the overcrowded, open air school that was the subject of the video is in Lahore, one of the largest cities of Pakistan. The visual setting looked like a remote tribal village, not part of a large urban center.

Of great interest were the reporter’s brief interviews with a pre-teen Pakistani girl who attended the open air school in Lahore. The girl believed in education and said she wanted to be a teacher. Concerning the US, she said her teacher told her to hate America.

The vast majority of Pakistanis outside the political elite hate the US. The polling data of the past decade is consistent and unambiguous. A question that has been dodged invariably is who formulates the anti-US attitudes, irrespective of the tens of millions in aid sent to Pakistan. This video showed the face of the man who taught the young Pakistani girl to hate the US. It was her class teacher.

This is a profound discovery because it means that anti-US attitudes are being instilled at very young ages and reinforced through the duration of primary school education. In short, Pakistani kids grow up learning to hate Americans because that is what they are taught in public school. In the madrasahs, they are taught not only to hate Americans but how to fight American soldi4ers … and to die by suicide-murder bombings.

No agency in Pakistan or elsewhere views primary school teachers as agents of subversion. The Pakistani government is unwilling or unable to restrain the anti-American political bias of teachers in its failed school system. There is no tradition of protecting children from adult prejudices.

The Frontline video was stark, but, on balance, it understated the education problems in Pakistan by not addressing the insidious, seditious and subversive ideas nearly half the children of Pakistan receive in the madrasahs.

[Carl_T]

What I am confused about is - If Pak is sponsoring terrorist groups such as LeT etc. Who are then the terrorist groups that have been doing the attacks in Pakistan? Are they a different set of elements? If not then why is Pak sponsoring them?

[ramana]

What I am confused about is - If Pak is sponsoring terrorist groups such as LeT etc. Who are then the terrorist groups that have been doing the attacks in Pakistan? Are they a different set of elements? If not then why is Pak sponsoring them?

There are ~25 terrorist groups inside TSP. Some are TSP state sponsored and others are independence movements resorting to violence (MQM, BLA etc), and others are plain old criminals. TTP which BRF calls pakiban is the main group carrying out attacks in certain areas. There is thread on Pakiban. Please do visit it.

[CRamS]

RamanaGaru

I haven't seen the NTR movie Krishna Deva Raya, but I will ask my wife to see if she can get this for this weekend's family movie time. Anything in particular I should watch for as it relates to India-TSP-US tango? Send me e-mail if you can at laksast_ at hotmail dot com.

On TSPians hating US, that nightwatch report is naive. Lets put ourselves in TSP's shoes which I know is not easy. Unlike India, TSP does not take US BS about human rights, democracy, "natural alies" crap serisuly. They know US deals on real-politick and make themselves most useful as a quid pro quo. In this connection, having prostituted itself to US, it expects US in turn to deliver India. Hence the heartburn and "hatred" that US has not done so despite giving it a free hand to conduct nuke blackmail, LeT operations etc. Should US move more aggressively against India visa vi TSP's interests, Kashmir for a start, Americans won't need any poor Hisapanics, legal or illegal immigrants, as janitors anythmore, TSPians, from the RAPE to the unwashed Abdul will gladly undertake those roles.

[Bhima]

Terrorist Islamo-Fascist State of Pakistan

[ramana]

Yeah the fate of the kalinga pathros.

[ramana]

FYI

Received the following by E-Mail :

Friday Times – Latest issue

Getting ready for a ‘water war’?

Khaled Ahmed

For once Commissioner Jamaat Ali Shah is right. He sees no violation of the Treaty. And he has no jurisdiction over the new issue of scarcity of water because the Treaty doesn't deal with it

Pakistan may be getting ready to go to war with India, not over Kashmir, which it finds futile, but over the river water India is supposed to insist on stealing from it despite the Indus Water Treaty of 1960. Pakistan’s army chief has mentioned ‘water’ in his last challenging statement, followed by the Prime Minister, and there is a one-sided media war going on as the Indian side, still angry over the Mumbai attack, is poised to jump in, all guns blazing. One chief editor in Pakistan says Pakistan should nuke the Indian dams stealing Pakistani water – with him as human payload tied to a nuclear missile!

The world is waiting for this to happen. Water wars have been predicted by the UN, but statistics show that states continue to be sane over shared waters. The Economist wrote on May 1, 2008, ‘Researchers at Oregon State University say they have found that the world’s 263 trans-boundary rivers generate more co-operation than conflict. Over the past half-century, 400 treaties had been concluded over the use of rivers. Of the 37 incidents that involved violence, 30 occurred in the dry and bitterly contested region formed by Israel and its neighbours, where the upper end of the Jordan river was hotly disputed, and skirmished over, before Israel took control in the 1967 war’.

Alarmism of the Lower Riparian : The Economist ends by stating : ‘And some inter-state water treaties are very robust. The Indus river pact between India and Pakistan survived two wars and the deep crisis of 2002’. We may be about to prove the observation wrong. As we go for the next round of Indo-Pak talks – with the Indian army chief alleging cross-border infiltration in Kashmir – Pakistan’s lawyer Ahmer Bilal Soofi, writing in Dawn on February 20, 2010 focuses on the real issue : scarcity rather than theft of water, and recommends fresh talks to consider supplementing the 1960 Indus Water Treaty with a water regime during scarcity of water. The Treaty did not take into account the ecological change that would occur half a century later, depriving the subcontinent of rains and run-off from its mountain glaciers.

Today, water management is akin to conflict management. But India and Pakistan are busy conflict-creating: they started with Kashmir and have ended up with half a dozen more casus belli issues even as they talk peace. Water is the latest such issue. Before we as a lower riparian state raise the ante, let us consider some aspects of the developing confrontation. As a lower riparian, Pakistan is naturally alarmist. This is true of lower riparians anywhere in the world including lower riparian provinces in India and Pakistan. We don’t want water storage on our rivers in Kashmir; Sindh doesn’t want water storage on its rivers in Punjab. And Sindh is as alarmist and non-trusting vis-à-vis Punjab as Pakistan is vis-à-vis India.

Treaty good despite universal hatred of Treaty : In India everyone thinks signing the Indus Water Treaty was wrong. They know that not having a waters treaty is advantageous to the upper riparian if it is militarily strong. In Pakistan, even as Punjab and Sindh fight over waters, both sides denounce the 1960 Treaty. No one says how it would have benefited Pakistan if there was no treaty reserving certain rivers for Pakistan. In India those who hate the Treaty have a good reason for doing so : take all the water and make Pakistan suffer. One is astounded by the intensity of the warmongering in Pakistan over the waters, especially as one looks at the record of Pakistan’s past behaviour under the Treaty.

The Indus Treaty envisages three kinds of complications over waters. The first type is ‘questions’ which are resolved by the two sides through their water commissioners at the Indus Water Commission. The second is ‘differences’ for which the two sides approach the World Bank which appoints a neutral expert. The third type is ‘disputes’ which goes to a Court of Arbitration assembled by the World Bank for the purpose. Both sides fund the process; and the Court can also award costs. So far ‘questions’ have been many, but only one difference, over Baglihar Dam, which turned out to be not as grave as Pakistan had thought, which must have been chastening for our watchdog water commissioner, Jamaat Ali Shah. There has never been a ‘dispute’. It is on the basis of this record that the world thinks the Indus Treaty such a good bilateral arrangement. Have we learned anything from this record?

India allowed storage and some use of Western Rivers : Our bearded Water Commissioner Jamaat Ali Shah once symbolised our lower riparian alarmism, returning from his meetings in India with his dire warnings about the male fides of Indian intent. Today he is being castigated and even insulted on TV programmes because his accumulated knowledge prevents him from crossing the line on the jurisprudence of the 1960 Treaty. Discussants fall into red-faced paroxysms when he says India is not in violation even though it is in the process of building dozens of dams over our rivers – Indus, Chenab, Jhelum – and diverting water from Kishenganga.

As stated above, an upper riparian will not enter into a water treaty unless it sees advantage in it – an advantage over the lower riparian. Although Nehru is cursed in India for having signed the Indus Treaty, the truth is that he did extract from it the advantage of using some water from our three Western Rivers for consumptive use, that is, agriculture. Annexure C of the Treaty is about India diverting certain amount of water in certain months from the Western Rivers. Then, there is no bar on the building of water storage for electricity production or any other non-consumptive use on Western Rivers (Annexure E). If anyone complains in Pakistan about India building dams and taking some water out of our rivers, he speaks out of ignorance.

Water-management is conflict-management : For once Commissioner Jamaat Ali Shah is right. He sees no violation of the Treaty. And he has no jurisdiction over the new issue of scarcity of water because the Treaty doesn’t deal with it. He can only say he doesn’t believe what the Indians are saying; and he is saying that. India and Pakistan are facing a calamity they can’t quantify and that pertains to climatic change as never seen in human memory. This calamity is the ‘third party’ against which both should unite, taking along also the other states of South Asia. But this can only happen if India and Pakistan normalise their relations and become ‘sympathetic’ rather than ‘punitive’ in their view of each other. It has been observed in the context of riparian relations that water disputes can be resolved if relations are normal, that is, allowing interpenetration of interests through free bilateral trade and investment.

As a lower riparian Pakistan has no aggressive advantage, nuclear weapons or no nuclear weapons. All advantages lie in its median status and the potential it has as a trading corridor with regional states dependent on it for the movement of their goods and for the transit of their oil and gas pipelines. As stated above, 263 trans-boundary rivers in the world have caused the riparian states to cooperate rather than go to war. Many Pakistanis believe they have the advantage of leverage over America and can go on benefiting from America despite being anti-American. One has to look at Pakistan’s record with India to see how much leverage Pakistan has seen seep away as it follows its aggressive approach. Those who denounce the Indus Treaty in India want Pakistan to go on acting like this. We must remember that the Treaty can be set aside in the case of a hostile escalation; and the world will find itself siding with India if it thinks Pakistan is in the wrong.

Shahid Javed Burki’s advice for normalisation : Pakistan’s former finance minister and ex-vice president of the World Bank, Shahid Javed Burki, anticipating the Indo-Pak ministerial talks in late February 2010, wrote in Dawn (16 Feb 2010): ‘If thinking outside the box is to be encouraged, my suggestion would be that Islamabad base the dialogue on an entirely new consideration : how to bring about greater economic integration between the two countries.

‘The objective should be to develop a stake for India in the Pakistani economy and also in its stability. This would entail a number of things including unhindered flow of trade between the two countries, encouraging the private sectors on either side of the border to invest in each other’s economy, the opening up of the border that separates the two parts of Kashmir to trade and movement of people, and grant of transit rights to each other for trade with third countries. As the experience of Europe shows, economic integration among states with a history of hostility towards one another is a good way of easing tensions. Taking that approach would constitute real thinking outside the box’.

Burki would be dnounced as allowing Indians to buy up TSP.

[R_Kumar]

Analysis: Pakistan grandstanding spells a diplomatic disaster

In the full glare of the media, Bashir told India "do not lecture to us". He ticked off the Indian Army chief. He repeatedly seemed to single out Prime Minister Manmohan Singh as the only man with a 'vision' in the Indian government.

http://news.rediff.com/special/2010/feb ... saster.htm

Look at the following paragraph-

He also said that Pakistan was not desperate for talks. He harped on Kashmir [ Images ] being the "core issue". He pressed the demand for concluding "doable" things like an agreement on Siachen and Sir Creek. He demanded that India prune its defence purchases and curb its missile development.

Its disgusting to even read it how the Indian bureaucrats talk to them.
They beg and steal and we can't even buy and manufacture our own weapons. They are indeed high class Begger.
How dare he?
I hate MMS for this talk and I didn't like ABV for inviting Musharaf either.

[nachiket]

And look at this

He repeatedly seemed to single out Prime Minister Manmohan Singh as the only man with a 'vision' in the Indian government.

If a paki diplomat says that an Indian politician has "vision" it is obvious that the said politician has a very wrong vision.

[A_Gupta]

Look at the following paragraph-

He also said that Pakistan was not desperate for talks. He harped on Kashmir [ Images ] being the "core issue". He pressed the demand for concluding "doable" things like an agreement on Siachen and Sir Creek. He demanded that India prune its defence purchases and curb its missile development.

Its disgusting to even read it how the Indian bureaucrats talk to them.
They beg and steal and we can't even buy and manufacture our own weapons. They are indeed high class Begger.
How dare he?
I hate MMS for this talk and I didn't like ABV for inviting Musharaf either.

All of this is intended for their audience back at home. Such trash talk keeps up their ghairat and izzat.

[Airavat]

Pakis charge money for viewing Wagah ceremony

Watching the 30-minute gate-closing ceremony from the Indian side has its advantages, particularly if you live in India. As a helpful shopkeeper told me on the Pakistani side: "You could watch it from here. But then you'd have to spend another night in Pakistan."

The crowds in India also tend to be bigger and livelier, befitting the nation's sevenfold population advantage over its neighbor. On a recent weekday, there were about 3,000 people on the Indian side, compared with 400 or so for Pakistan.

"Theirs is smaller because they charge," an Indian spectator said, adding proudly, "Our side is free."

En route to the seats -- men and women sit separately in Pakistan, together in India -- spectators are frisked, ushered through a broken metal detector, their bags pored over, refrisked.

[Gerard]

Pakistan intends to reform blasphemy law

[shiv]

Its disgusting to even read it how the Indian bureaucrats talk to them.

Two thoughts

1) The India media report things as equal equal: "India said hello. Pakistan said fckoff". We read that equalequal and get heartburn

2) The Indian media themselves come from a very Indian gossipy tendency to say "You know what he said about you...?"

Even if the Indian side was telling Pakie where to get off and where to put their ideas, the reports we see will be like this. I watch Times Now/ Headlines Today regularly and I find that although the poor guys do a good job in showing up Paki perfidy some of the young reporters are mummy's boys who have just been put in suits and in front of a camera and say "You know what he is telling? He is telling that you are $$#. I will tell to mummy". The degree of hard nose sophistication required to NOT make your readers and listeners cringe is something that the Indian media too have not learned yet. This is a continuing saga of my old lament of lack of international level of sophistication of Indians in general.

Actually the impression I got from the talks (various reports) was nothing like the interpretation on the forum but I cannot blame forumites for seeing things that way - the reports are idiotic. I got the impression that the SDRE woman taller than the TFA clearly told the Pakis off and the Pakis are squealing.

But our media go by the following tradition of the Hindu coward:

When China/US/Pakistan talk to India the media write "China/Pakistan/US issue a demarche to India. India anxious. Indian armed forces worried"
When India issues a demarche or reprimands China/Pak/US the Indian media write : "Worried India appeals for peace and calm"

We too pick up the same emotions and vomit them in the general population. No wonder we look like international sissies. Our media are like that and we echo those attitudes.

[CRamS]

He repeatedly seemed to single out Prime Minister Manmohan Singh as the only man with a 'vision' in the Indian government.

This is a slimy attempt by TSP to suggest that as a Sikh, MMS thinks differently from the Yindoos.

[Gerard]

Friday Times Nuggets

Syed Munawwar Hasan & Son

According to Jang Jamaat Islami chief Syed Munawwar Hasan has a daughter and a son, both living in Karachi, away from the battlefield of Afghanistan. Son Talha has done his masters from Karachi University and is in the real estate business. Hew has not paid attention to the villainy of the Americans in Afghanistan.

Qazi Husain Ahmad & Sons

According to Jang ex-chief of Jamaat Islami Qazi Husain Ahmad’s son Asif Luqman has an MBA from America and is busy running his own business. Son Anas Qazi is a medical doctor and is practising in Peshawar. The two have not been sent to the war in Afghanistan despite Qazi Sahib’s great passion for fellow Muslims there.

Maulana Samiul Haq & Sons

Writing in Jang Saleem Safi revealed that Maulana Samiul Haq the foremost defender of Afghanistan against America was twice married and had two sons and three daughters from first marriage while there were five more children from the second one. Son Maulana Haamidul Haq, a graduate of Punjab University who was elected MNA on MMA ticket, was heading Madrassa Haqqaniya in Nowshehra, while Irshadul Haq Haqqani, a haafiz of the Quran was editing monthly Al Haq. None of them was fighting in Afghanistan.

Maulana Fazle Karim & Sons

Daily Jang published information by Saleem Safi that Maulana Fazle Karim of JUP who hated America had a son Hamid Raza who was MA Islamiat and PhD in Business from UK and was planning a business venture. Second son Hasan Raza is studying at a college in Lahore while Hussain Raza was at GC University in Lahore. The Maulana had not thought of sending his sons to Afghanistan to fight the rascally Americans.

Maulana Fazlur Rehman & Sons

Seeking to know if the religious leaders of Pakistan who hate America have sent their sons into jihad in Afghanistan, columnist Saleem Safi wrote in Jang that of JUI Maulana Fazlur Rehman had three sons and four daughters. Son Asad Mehmood was undergoing education in Khairul Madaris in Multan, Son Anas Mehmood was taking religious training in DI Khan and third son Amjad Mehmood was busy memorising the Quran. None of them was fighting in Afghanistan.

[shiv]

They beg and steal and we can't even buy and manufacture our own weapons. They are indeed high class Begger.

Pakistan: I have no job. No work. No wife. No girlfriend and I sleep on the street. I demand that you give up your job and get rid of your wife!

Indian Media: Pakistan today issued a strong warning to India that unless India reduced its defence expenditure it will have to face the consequences. A worried Indian defence minister was seen huddling with the three armed forces chiefs India aircraft have been crashing like never before. The LCA is 30 years late. The Arjun is a failure. The Agni series of missiles have failed.

BRS: "Those #^&*^% Pakis! You have to admire their chutzpah. Our damn babooze!! get L& T and Tatas to do this. Cowardly PM. Foreign woman!"

Zaid Hamid: "Pakistan is now the most highly developed nation on earth!"

[Gerard]

Pakis charge money for viewing Wagah ceremony

Is there no retired, paan spitting, pot-bellied, dhoti clad peon available to close and lock this damn gate every evening? There must be a better use for BSF personnel then this absurd equal-equal.

[abhishek_sharma]

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=27508

No substantial progress was made during the secretary-level talks held between Pakistan and India here on Thursday, as India engaged in a game of doubletalk, saying one thing while meaning the other.

Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir, while talking to the Pakistani press at the Pakistan High Commission in the evening, said the gap between Pakistan and India was widening and he did not see any substantial progress in the talks.

When asked whether he had invited Indian Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao to Islamabad for talks, he said there was no such proposal. “Pakistan has given some suggestions and India has also submitted proposals during the meeting but I told them that Pakistan wanted result-oriented and meaningful dialogue with India.” There is no need of secretary-level talks if India remains stuck to its stand on outstanding issues, he added.

Describing the attitude of India as untenable, he said New Delhi was sticking to its stand on issues, including that of terrorism, while Pakistan wanted that this issue should not make talks hostage.

When asked whether there was a deadlock over the talks, he said he would not use this word. “I cannot say whether these talks were successful or unsuccessful.” He said Pakistan wanted good neighbourly relationship with India and wanted to engage New Delhi for “meaningful and result-oriented talks”.

...

The foreign secretary said he had also raised the Kashmir issue during his meeting with Indian National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon. Both the countries are close to resolution of Siachen and Sir Creek issues, he added.

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Referring to the statements emanating from India on war strategies such as fighting limited war under nuclear umbrella or two-front war, he said it would have a negative impact on relations.

To a question, he said Hafiz Saeed does not speak for Pakistan and that Pakistan had taken legal and administrative measures to counter terrorism. “Pakistan does not like to be lectured or sermoned on terrorism and that they knew how to deal with it. If you keep saying that Pakistan is a source of all your troubles, I am sorry, it is short-sightedness,” he said. “We have made a point. We have made efforts but we are not desperate. If India wants to reflect on the modalities of the engagement, they will find us ready,” Salman Bashir added.

[shiv]

Pakis charge money for viewing Wagah ceremony

Is there no retired, paan spitting, pot-bellied, dhoti clad peon available to close and lock this damn gate every evening? There must be a better use for BSF personnel then this absurd equal-equal.

True - it is completely idiotic. India must allow the BSF to have their dignity and make some lazy dirty joker close the gate a few minutes early or late every day in keeping with Pakistan's value to us, and let Pakistan get on with their strutting.

[SSridhar]

Pakistan intends to reform blasphemy law

Ha. . ha. . . that would make even the minuscule fence sitters in Pakistan fall into the Taliban lap.

[abhishek_sharma]

Let us hope that the Pakis will now stop bitching for talks for at least six months.

The SAARC meeting will be held soon, and our good PM is visiting. So ...

[Suppiah]

http://www.hindu.com/2010/02/26/stories ... 390100.htm

A quiet blackout of all negative comments from the jehadi pig Bashir. In fact this one blames TV channels for airing his comments but not Bashir for saying them!

http://www.hindu.com/2010/02/26/stories ... 251000.htm

Bashir rubbished Indian dossier as 'literature' - and also rubbished demands for acting against terrorists - anything can be more clear and direct?

Suppressing facts, spreading lies, twisting news....Stalinist yellow journalism at its best..