d_berwal wrote: Refining the requirement is a regular feature.
Tell me didn’t the requirement of LCA, ALH, SU-30, F-22, changed from the first TD built to the production model ?
When the "refinement" happens it will be in blocks. The new "refinement" in LCA is MK2. In case of Su-30, it is Su-30k, MKI MK1, MK2, MK3..etc. But it is only the IA which never inducted any tanks with the "refinements" whereas IAF accepted LCA MK1 while going for Mk2.
IA accepted the MBT in 2000 and gave production order of 124 numbers.
Wrong, it is 2002 not 2000.
As a technology ARJUN was accepted 10 yrs back but as a product out of production line the quality was so poor that IA had to rejact the complete lot of 14 MBT. This is where the tamasha started, DDM/ DRDO/ AVDHI projected that IA is not accepting ARJUN because of T-90., had these ppl made sure that 14 MBT built passed through the quality control we would not see the tamasha.... but insted of accepting the quality issue.. they have managed to show it in a diff picture altogether because it would have shown their incompentency.
Again wrong... becoz IA prolonged conducting trials after trials after every "teething" problem and add new complexity at every stage. I quote few examples from Broadsword and frontierIndia.
This new insistence on 14 tanks will delay the trials at least till December 08. In 2005, the army had agreed to comparative trials, with five Arjun tanks pitted against five T-72s and an equal number of T-90s. The DGMF had even written the trial directive, spelling out how trials would be conducted. Those trials were postponed as the Arjun was not ready to operate in high summer temperatures. Now the Arjun is ready, but the army is not.
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On 28th July 2005, Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee informed Parliament, “The Arjun tank is superior to (the) T-90 tank due to its high power to weight ratio, superior fire on the move capability during day and night and excellent ride comfort. MBT Arjun has gone through all the tests and it is meeting the (requirements) of the Army.”
But a year later, in December 2007, India bought 347 more T-90s for Rs 4900 crores. That despite the MoD’s admission in Parliament that the 310 T-90s purchased earlier had problems with their Invar missile systems, and the thermal imagers that are crucial for night fighting.
From frontierIndia.
Surprisingly Indian Army has canceled the so called “comparative trials” which was never scheduled. In 2005 when last comparative trials were held, Arjun Tank did not fire at all. The reason was the French Sagem gun sights, which was a higher version of the earlier model, was installed due to due to embargo on the earlier supplier. The sights were checked and installed into the Arjun electronics. However in the desert heat of Rajasthan, the sensitive laser range finder did not perform. Target range is an important parameter, required for accurate firing and hence firing could not be done.
Subsequently, the Sagem officials and DRDO worked on the entire electronics and presented it for trials in 2006. The guns performed, however the Army came up with another observation of the higher fuel consumption in Arjun Tank compared to T-72. The Fuel consumption issue was proven wrong during the later trials meant for the purpose. Indian Army refused to bring in a T-72 for comparative fuel consumption trials.
Subsequently Indian Army came up with another observation that water was leaking into Arjun Tank. As per the standard norm, 1 tank in 10 production tank is to be tested for medium fording. However the loophole is that there are no standards mentioned in GSQR for Medium Fording. The problem identified was that Heavy vehicles Factory and Indian Army use different standards for testing T-72 tanks. However, DRDO ran Arjun Tanks 20 minutes in water to demonstrate medium fording.
Now since the CVRDE is calling the Indian Army for the challenge, Indian Army is out to go in for AUCRT. Unfortunately there is no third party watchdog for AUCRT
) what do u suggest IA usses whith PA if we have a war in 2013 ?
we know how that works
The topmost general in the Indian Army has been accused of corruption - repeatedly. So why not?
on this fora about the DELAYs caused in arms procurement and the country's security being put in danger we seem to miss out on a fundamental fact that while DRDO and other domestic MIC can be made accountable and even penalized for the delays , case in point Arjun the 'phoren' vendors are immune to this . Gorshkov is a classic example of the same which is already delayed and all this in the name of underestimation of the amount of re-wiring 
because the army has placed all of one-hundred-and-twenty-four on order ? and the order for the tin can is > 1000 ? it's called economics of scale saar. 