Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 02 Mar 2010 21:42

CRS,

As I said many times before, the constant mention of "white" this and gora that severely detracts from your message.

Besides, the moral argument has zero chance of getting through to any Western journalist, academic and especially ex-govt types.

After years of trying, I know from personal efforts that it is futile to even try along those lines.

To me the bigger and more important fight is at home. As long as we have MMS, SS Menon, Barkha Dutt and their ilk shaping policy and public opinion, they can do more damage to us than the condescending Western "expert" gang.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 02 Mar 2010 21:55

kumarn wrote: ..........Is it because he is not from the right community?

quit insinuating already ! two can play at that game.

@ others, please stop this political credentials of MMS discussion. I'm going crazy by the number of reports on this thread. enough !

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 02 Mar 2010 22:01

I have often wondered.

Is the paki judiciary a state or non state actor?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 02 Mar 2010 22:11

DSB wrote:Hi to all BRFites from my side.

After 3 years of lurking around, i've finally taken the plunge!
..........

username changed to DevS.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 02 Mar 2010 22:14

Rangudu wrote:CRS,

As I said many times before, the constant mention of "white" this and gora that severely detracts from your message.

Besides, the moral argument has zero chance of getting through to any Western journalist, academic and especially ex-govt types.

After years of trying, I know from personal efforts that it is futile to even try along those lines.

To me the bigger and more important fight is at home. As long as we have MMS, SS Menon, Barkha Dutt and their ilk shaping policy and public opinion, they can do more damage to us than the condescending Western "expert" gang.

Please add Siddharth Varadharajan to the list. All his articles sent my BP soaring and NDTV was proudly hosting this American.
I posted this before but here it is again.

http://svaradarajan.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... india.html

Looks like a BRFite has commented on it already.

negi · Post by **negi** » 02 Mar 2010 22:19

^ His "Other Interesting Links" list says it all , basically pursuing Unkil's agenda can't blame him , can we ?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 02 Mar 2010 23:22

Rangudu wrote:CRS,

As I said many times before, the constant mention of "white" this and gora that severely detracts from your message.

Besides, the moral argument has zero chance of getting through to any Western journalist, academic and especially ex-govt types.

After years of trying, I know from personal efforts that it is futile to even try along those lines.

I vent out my real feeling only here in the comfort of my erudite compatriots like you. While discussing with westerners, of course, I am temperate in my language. So be rest assured that your advice is well taken. For example, very recently, I attended a talk by UK non-proliferation Ayatollah, James Acton (who is a close associate of George Perkovich) of Carnegie Endowment. His talk was the usual western sophistry on nuke proliferation, and during Q&A time, I laid out my case in cool and calm terms, and my observation that this so called "Khan network" he was peddling and supposedly operating independently of the TSP govt is a clever western verbal sleight-of-hand to absolve their ally TSP army, and I also pointed out that western entertaining of TSP nukes is essentially India-centric in that the real target of Ayatollahs like him is India, and once India falls in place, TSP can be rendered nuke nude in a heartbeat. I also asked him where was western self-righteousness when China was proliferating to TSP. And believe me, I was the only person of color in the entire audience, and many who were sympathetic and enlightened by my narrative came later and appreciated my eloquence

. Of course James Acton ducked my question and he said, yes, there has been western hypocrisy on the non proliferation front, and none benefited more out of this hypocrisy than and you guessed it, India, and he went into some Tarapur fuel crap after smiling Buddha test in 1974 yada yada, completely side stepping China and TSP.

To me the bigger and more important fight is at home. As long as we have MMS, SS Menon, Barkha Dutt and their ilk shaping policy and public opinion, they can do more damage to us than the condescending Western "expert" gang.

Ansolutely.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 02 Mar 2010 23:28

negi wrote:^ His "Other Interesting Links" list says it all , basically pursuing Unkil's agenda can't blame him , can we ?

He who pays the piper calls the tune sort of logic.

What's he (Siddharth Varadharajan) doing out in the boondocks for such a long time? slumming?

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 02 Mar 2010 23:46

US to share laser-guiding bomb kits with Pakistan

WASHINGTON — The U.S. will deliver this month to Pakistan 1,000 sophisticated laser-guided bomb kits that would enable the government there to strike insurgent targets with more precision.

The arms sale suggests that U.S. officials are trying to deepen America's relationship with Pakistan and increase military cooperation. The U.S. has been trying to encourage Pakistan to take a tougher stand against Taliban forces operating within its borders.

Lt. Col. Jeffry Glenn, an Air Force spokesman, said Tuesday the U.S. had delivered 1,000 MK-82 bombs to Pakistan last month. This month's shipment of kits would enable Pakistan to use sophisticated laser technology to guide the bombs to specific targets.

Glenn said the U.S. also plans to provide Pakistan 18 new F-16 fighter jets by June.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 02 Mar 2010 23:47

bile and hypothesis peddling, with convenient fact ommision not to mention random inferences. in short Jawed Naqwi has pre-decided how to build a model of india and he will take any data that even tangentially supports his model and deliberately ignore the entire ocean of data that completely violates his model. indian state is uniformly impotent as far as challenging the obscurantism of any religion. but Shri Jawed Naqwi is only concerned about the powerlessness of the indian state when it comes to hindu obscurantism. so in this methodology of Shri Jawed Naqwi, MF Hussain and obsucrantism of hindus finds value, but the plight of tasleema nasreen and ahmediyas doesnot. there is less bias and poison in the impotent indian state and its obscurantist hindus than in the mind of the Jawed Naqwi.

A depoliticised democracy begins to breed fascism
By Jawed Naqvi
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ascism-130

talk of random theories. this article puts the P and the L in pak logic. this writing is is as irrational as a hadith. but then hey, its written in englis so it must be correct.

no point in keeping pretenses. i'll say it. this guy is a liar.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 03 Mar 2010 00:43

Pir zaid gand* hamid has lot to say about MMS meeting saudis

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 03 Mar 2010 00:59

amdavadi

Can you summarize his lunacy for some light entertainment?

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 03 Mar 2010 01:06

CRamS wrote:... summarize his lunacy...?

I'm preparing a dossier already... will post shortly.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 03 Mar 2010 01:26

I wonder of anybody has access to even semi-nationalist news anchors in the media in India. And if so, they should ask MMS/Sonia's acolytes who appear in the media as to what exactly MMS has in mind when he says he is willing to walk the extra mile with TSP? What is India's bottom line on Kashmir? What is the Lakshman Rekha that he will not cross in pursuit of "peace" with TSP. Shiv was saying that we unfairly target Bakara for her lack of patriotism. Sure occasionaly, she throws some hardball questions when it becomes politically correct or meangingless or toothless to do so. Like for example, her questions to PC; but these should have been asked and debated well before MMS embarked on his aman ki aasha sojourn. On most occasioan, she either does an equal equal like her TSP RAPE counterparts, or is even blatantly pro-TSP. Thus, as MMS keeps itching to "walk the extra mile" with TSP, the time is now for media to question and lay bare what MMS has in mind. Let the people know.

negi · Post by **negi** » 03 Mar 2010 01:28

CRS while Shukla saab is at it for you

1. PYT asks Mullah Zaid Gand* Hamid about his reactions to MMS's visit to KSA and the agreements reached between the two countries:

Jahil replies:

* Evil Indians have successfully used Bollywood and aggressive democracy to influence the Arab world , while TSP diplomacy as been a utter failure.

* Hindu banias==Zionists are dekhoing '600' billion dollars worth of KSA's investments .

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 Mar 2010 02:08

That phucker Jahil Hamid read my and other posts in the west asia discussisons thread and is vomiting that out line by line.

It is funny to note that his voice keeps getting shriller as the Q&A keeps going on. Just notice the pitch at the end of the video, rewind it from the begining and hear his pitch when he starts to answer the first question.

Perhaps he doesn't like difficult questions from hottie news presenters.

This guy is a schizophrenic with maniac-depressive psychosis.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 03 Mar 2010 02:13

amdavadi wrote:Pir zaid gand* hamid has lot to say about MMS meeting saudis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2srO7O3W ... r_embedded

Translation follows:

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Be-pardah Reporter: What is your opinion on the transfer of secret information between India and Saudi Arabia and other associated matters discussed recently?

Zahil Hamid: You see, Saudi Arabia is Pakistan’s strongest friend, most important ally in the region with whom we have strong (economic and defense?) ties. It is a “priority strategic requirement” of India to separate Saudi Arabia from Pakistan.

In present times, economic relationships influence geopolitics in a profound way. Due to the hostile reaction and perception in America of oil-rich Arab nations, these nations are hesitant to invest in the American market. India is offering itself as an alternate market to these nations and proposing that these countries withdraw their “billions and billions” of investment money from American and Europe and bring it to India.

Using Indian movies, aggressive diplomacy and foreign policy, India has been “working” on the Arab market and especially Saudi Arabia for a long time. Pakistan’s foreign office and diplomacy has utterly failed in stopping Indian influence from being deployed in the Middle East and especially Saudi Arabia. Now you see the real face of these efforts when an Indian Prime Minister visits Saudi Arabia after 28 years and finalizes these huge and important treaties. Because India is improving its economic relations with Saudi Arabia, it also wants to “exploit” Saudi Arabia on the issues regarding which India would like Saudi Arabia to influence and put pressure on Pakistan.

For example regarding Kashmir… India wants to target “billions and billions”… almost 600 to 700 billion dollars of Saudi Investment. If this investment money goes to India, Saudi Arabia will never be able to make any diplomatic and strategic moves against India. India will get the tools to leverage this investment and coerce Saudi Arabia to put pressure on Pakistan.

This is a very dangerous move for us (Pakistan). Pakistan’s foreign policy, media and diplomacy must understand this game, and regarding our (defence and economic?) ties with Saudi Arabia, we must make them understand that Indian cannot be your friend under any circumstances and that India will “take away” your investment. The mentality of Hindu bania is the same as that of the Zionists and when it comes to money, banias and yahudis are the same.

Be-pardah reporter: No doubt significant changes and review are necessary in our diplomacy as a result of the failures you pointed out. What changes would you suggest in this situation?

Zahil Hamid: You see, our diplomacy cannot perform if the government is not strong. First step in my opinion would be for the entire government to resign. They have completely and miserably failed in securing Pakistan’s honor, economy, diplomacy, politics, foreign policy, and defense.

You have seen the evidence post Mumbai (26/11) when a resolution is passed against JUD in United Nations and even China who has forever been our ally and has always used “Veto” in our favor, is stopped and persuaded to let JUD be declared a terrorist organization. China for the first time ever did not support Pakistan’s position in the Security Council. And now Pakistan, this government, has extended and registered support for India to be given a non-permanent seat in the Security Council. There cannot be a more embarrassing incident in our times that until recently Pakistan has opposed India’s inclusion in the Security Council, but this government has voted to support it.

With such matters taking place it is no longer a mere matter of diplomacy and foreign policy. All top officials of the government starting with Shah Muhammad Qureshi should resign because as a result of their failure in diplomacy and foreign policy, Pakistan has been ashamed.

Be-pardah reporter: As a result of Pakistan’s involvement with American in the Afghan war Pakistan’s relations with neighboring Islamic countries are deteriorating. What is your opinion on this matter?

Zahil Hamid: You see, America has become very unpopular in Muslim countries. It is today’s news that American will invest more than fifty million dollars on Pakistan’s media so that the perception of the people of Pakistan and their opinion regarding American can be changed and improved.

There is no doubt that as a result of our association with America, Pakistan’s credibility and also the credibility of Pakistan’s Armed Forces has been severely damaged. But this damage can be easily rectified and controlled.

America is at its weakest in history and they are tied in two wars – Iraq and Afghanistan. Their economy at home is in ruins. They are in no position at the moment to be able to threaten Pakistan. So this is the time that Pakistan’s government, armed forces, media and our patriots must reorganize and launch a counterattack. We must also review our Afghan policy. Afghan Taliban are in no way our (Pakistan’s) enemy. Pakistani Taliban is a CIA sponsored terrorist organization.

The following policy must be approved by Pakistan’s Parliament: We will be “neutral” in the Afghan war and we will not cooperate with the Americans or the Afghan Taliban. We declare our neutrality.

Time has come for us to declare our neutrality in this war. American occupation in Afghanistan is NOT our fight. American didn’t consult us before they entered Afghanistan and it is not our responsibility to protect American forces stationed in Afghanistan. NATO supplies must absolutely be stopped at the very least until Dr. Aafia Siddiqui returns to Pakistan.

Pakistan’s people are united but Pakistan’s government can’t read the writing on the wall. The entire focus of the government is on their own survival. The government is in a fix due to recent Supreme Court rulings. And as far as governance, defense and foreign policy is concerned, these functions are simply not being attended to by the present government of Pakistan.

So it no falls upon the patriotic Pakistani media, our armed forces, and our youth to study these issues and pressurize our government to tackle important matters related to national survival and the Parliament and Government should resign if they cannot deliver.

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(AOA)

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 03 Mar 2010 02:24

[youtube]1WLD5Ze9WMI&feature=related[/youtube]

Paranoid Schizophrenic Prophet (PSP) Zaid's take on Youm e Ghulami din 1971
Sounds like Zaid's momma used to put him to sleep by singing loris about Indian Army's tanks rolling towards Lahore

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 03 Mar 2010 02:38

The endless Pakistani search for external balancers has unearthed another one.
Allah hasn't given them Kashmir. Nor has the UN. Nor the US. Nor the OIC.
So now Pakistanis turn to the SCO.
India, Pakistan need a little help

American intervention is what the US media have called for to take the India-Pakistan talks to the next level. However, intervention by the US in a singular capacity will not do the trick. Including the Shanghai Corporation Organization, which is also geared to combat the terrorist threat, is imperative for the dialogue to yield results.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 03 Mar 2010 03:20

Gerard wrote: India, Pakistan need a little help

This is the disgusting equal equal NYT editorial he is refering to. Thoo.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Mar 2010 06:07

I may be wrong in my assessment after a 39 year gap, but I suspect that India was in no geopolitical position in 1971-72 to try and convict 90,000 Paki prisoners of war. To me this fact means two things

1) we must never forget that we did not try them and every effort must be made in future to nail the guilty at least for posterity.
2) Nevertheless - blaming the government of the day for "this lapse" is a straw man.

A final comment - I think the person who asked about he 1971 war above stated that 45,000 of those were Paki armed forces POWs. Where the fck was that information pulled out of? It is a Pakistani claim that
1) All rapes in Bangladesh were by Indians
2) Most Paki POWs were civilians.

It is fascinating to see how history gets mauled in front of my eyes. Pakis blaming Indians and Indians blaming the government of the day.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 03 Mar 2010 06:14

I think the person who asked about he 1971 war above stated that 45,000 of those were Paki armed forces POWs.

Only armed forces members can be POWs. Civilians can be interned but they are not POWs.

A prisoner of war is a combatant who is held in continuing custody by an enemy power during or immediately after an armed conflict.

A Pakistan stamp depicting the 90,000 PoWs in Indian camps captured after the 1971 Indo-Pakistani War.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 03 Mar 2010 06:32

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_3

Ejaz would be mistaken for Soloman if he were not so self-serving for his pi$$pot Pakistan.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 03 Mar 2010 06:37

CRamS wrote:amdavadi

Can you summarize his lunacy for some light entertainment?

I was distracted only by the motormaa

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 03 Mar 2010 06:42

arnab wrote:
CRamS wrote:Don't dance with words. Pakis are not asking for re-drawing international border with India. They are asking for re-drawing of the LOC. So the question remains, what does MMS mean when he says no redrwaing of boundaries?
Currently LOC is the de facto border. How can pakis ask (and get) for a redrawing of LOC on the table, which they could not get in war? Why don't you tell me - what is your fear that MMS will unilaterally give away? Are you trying to tell us that when MMS says 'no redrawing of borders', he actually means to give away muslim majority Srinagar (redraw the LOC) and retain India's 'international border' claim on paper? (Incidentally, this was the old paki Jhelum plan rehashed by Mushy).
Should MMS and GOI need to respond to every paki wet dream?

I suspect the extra mile will concern waters...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Mar 2010 06:46

Gagan wrote:But why? Why is pakistan giving the LET this greater role in Afghanistan? They were supposed to focus on India purely.

Gagan, Pakistan is *not* giving LeT a greater role in Afghanistan. The LeT is hitting India & Indian interests in Afghanistan. As Rangudu said, there has been a clear division of labour in all the three attacks on us in Kabul since circa 2008. The Haqqanis provide logistics, and intelligence while the LeT, the manpower and the bombs. Having said that, LeT has morphed into an international organization quite a long time back. It has been involved in terror acts from Australia, to Philippines, Baghdad, Alexandria (Va), Indonesia, Britain, Dhaka etc. Lashkar-e-Taiba-Al-Alami, which claimed the German Bakery bombing, means exactly that.

Giving a greater role to the LET is dangerous for Pakistan also, those buggers will get ideas of their own and that's bad for the generals ultimately.

LeT has been extraordinarily loyal to the PA so far. However, as with most other terrorist organizations in the history books, they will turn around to bite the hand that fed them one day.

On a sidenote: One piece of info I've heard is that, the reason why LET camps are so close to the pakistani military garrisons in POK is that the Pak fauj promptly disarms the LET cadres the moment they cross back across the LOC and get debriefed. The caders are armed only when they are to go on a mission, and the arms are handed over to them very close to the LOC. Shows how much the Pak fauj trusts these abduls.

Apart from what you say above, there are many other reasons too. It is easy to provide oversight and supplies to them if they are nearer to the PA camps. The Americans also preferred it that way to ensure that only the locals were trained to attack India and foreigners were not trained to attack Western interests. Remember the Willy Brigitte case ? The French Prosecutor and counter-terrorism expert, Jean-Louis Bruguière, who investigated the case, has concluded that the terrorist training camps were run by the Pakistani military with the possible knowledge of the CIA. Brigitte was driven in a 4x4 through army roadblocks to the high-altitude camp where more than 2,000 men were being trained by Pakistani regular army officers, he said. “The links between the Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Pakistani Army are more than close. Brigitte observed this twice,” Mr Bruguière said. “When the camp was resupplied, all the materiel was dropped off by Pakistani army helicopters. And there were regular inspections by the Pakistani Army and the CIA.” The US agency carried out spot checks to ensure that Pakistan was sticking to an agreement not to train any foreigners at the militant organisation, the judge said.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 Mar 2010 06:59

SSridhar wrote:“When the camp was resupplied, all the materiel was dropped off by Pakistani army helicopters. And there were regular inspections by the Pakistani Army and the CIA.”

So when Hafiz Sayeed shouts on a microphone, he knows that his master and his master's master, both agree with what he says.

But I can appreciate the implications of this.

Things such as this certainly re-create a mistrust of what the US's intentions are.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 03 Mar 2010 07:16

Did the U.S. bring India to the table?

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... _the_table

Is there any connection between Pakistan's stunning arrests of top Taliban leaders and last week's rare meeting between senior Indian and Pakistani diplomats? And did the Obama administration somehow deliver India to the table in exchange for Pakistan's cooperation?

Those were the questions lingering in Washington Friday as a handful of South Asia experts sat down for lunch with Vice President Joseph Biden.

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"The story is far more prosaic than it appears," said Ashley Tellis, senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, who wouldn't comment on the specifics of his conversation with Biden. "I don't think the administration is sure that there actually is a fundamental change in Pakistani behavior. Only time will tell on that score."

"For various reasons, the administration is happy to insinuate they had a role, because if nothing else it gives them a little more leverage against Pakistan. But I think they know very clearly that these talks occurred because the Indian prime minister wanted them to happen," said Tellis.

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Shuja Nawaz, director of the South Asia Center at The Atlantic Council, agreed that the U.S. role in both the Pakistani decision to change its approach and the Indian decision to resume talks was minimal.

"All of this was really motivated by their own interests ... It appears that it was almost an accidental coming together of the objectives of the U.S. and Pakistan," said Nawaz, who also was in the Friday lunch with Biden and wouldn't comment on their conversation. "I frankly don't think there was any deal done; I don't think there was any strategic shift."

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Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman John Kerry, D-MA, agreed that while the administration has been active on encouraging the Pakistanis to move against the Afghan Taliban, there was no quid pro quo.

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He also said the United States wasn't directly involved in pushing for or setting up the India-Pakistan summit.

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abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 03 Mar 2010 07:25

Army, militants trade barbs in North Waziristan

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=27584

PESHAWAR: Amid rumours of an impending military operation in the volatile North Waziristan region, the military and Taliban militants for the first time released strong-worded Urdu language leaflets, accusing each other of following the foreign agenda.

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They said a leaflet by the military titled “Correct decision and first step towards right direction” was a clear indication of parting ways with the militants. In the same pamphlet, the Taliban militants were accused of getting funds from India, Israel and al-Qaeda to buy heavy weapons and brainwash innocent youth.

The leaflet accused the Afghanistan-based Indian consulates and the Indian RAW, Israeli Mossad and other anti-Islamic organizations of financing militants. The militants were also accused of accumulating resources from opium and hashish.

It said it was wrong to call a militant as Qari, who cannot even read the Holy Quran.

The militants also circulated leaflets in which they accused military authorities of selling innocent Pakistanis like Dr Aafia Siddiqui to the US for the sake of dollars. It alleged that Pakistani security agencies were involved in the killing of innocent Pakistanis for dollars and were creating hurdles in the way of implementing Islamic Sharia in the country.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 03 Mar 2010 07:27

Miles to go

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=226894

No matter – the Indian visit to Saudi Arabia is another marker along the road of an emerging regional superpower which needs to get the best from its relationships with other states in the region. The Saudis for their part see a harmonious relationship with India as both desirable and profitable, and for the time being are willing to live with the paradox of India restocking its arsenals by buying Israeli weaponry.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 03 Mar 2010 07:34

Shireen in pants with a warning about YYY..even the indian CIO is plotting against the land of the pure.

Neocons still calling the shots in US affairs
By: Sikander Shaheen | Published: March 03, 2010

ISLAMABAD – Any shift in US policy from mis-adventurism to rationality is not likely to work due to the presence of some powerful individuals having hegemonic mindset that directly influences the country’s agenda.

Among these powerful individuals are Leon Panetta, Eric Prince, Joseph Schmitz, Robert Baer, Pareet Bharara, Anjar Sahni and some others who have not been in limelight but are very much active behind the scene. CIA Director Leon Panetta, was former US President Bill Clinton’s Chief of Staff and had a strong say in US policies towards South Asia since then. Panetta also had a strong role during Bush’s administration that was criticised for its reckless policies. Leon stands among one of those ‘creative minds’ who had paved the way for Blackwater’s role in Afghanistan and had been associated with controversies related to its terrorism in the region.

Besides, Pareet Bharara, Federal US Attorney of New York, has had a history of convicting Pakistanis and Muslims unlawfully. The same individual had used his influence to bring Dr Aafia Siddiqui judged guilty by a US jury. Richard Berman, the judge of the jury that convicted Dr Aafia is an orthodox Jew and a close associate of former Senator Jacob Javits, a man known to be the architect of Jewish nationalism. In addition, Anjan Sahni, Chief of terrorism in US and a blue-eyed and an appointee of Pareet Bharara follows the line of his mentor and holds prejudices against Pakistanis.

Others who could not do justice with their official positions and were found misusing their authority on more than one occasion either on religious or ‘nationalist’ grounds include Rajiv Shah, USAID administrator who monitors aid programmes for Pakistan and Afghanistan, Vivek Kundra, Federal Chief Information Officer, Rajesh De, Deputy Assistant Attorney General, US Department of Justice and Sonal Shah, Deputy Assistant to the US President.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 03 Mar 2010 07:34

Curious.
Dawn

DAMADOLA: Security forces have taken control of Bajaur’s Damadola, known as the nerve-centre of Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, and are now bracing themselves for an offensive in Orakzai Agency and Tirah valley of Khyber Agency.

“We are facing problems in Orakzai and Tirah and will launch operations there in the near future,” Frontier Corps Inspector General Maj-Gen Tariq Khan told a media team from Islamabad here on Tuesday. The ISPR’s director general, Maj-Gen Athar Abbas, was also present.

What am I curious about?

On ARYNews, I heard stuff including the following:

The Frontier Corps IG said that about 75 militants, including foreigners, had been killed in the offensive. “Among the dead were Egyptians, Uzbeks, Chechens and Afghans.”

I also heard the aforementioned Maj-Gen Tariq Khan say that Indian involvement - currency and expertise - were found. For whatever reason Dawn did not see it fit to report this, and I am curious as to why.

PS: Dawn TV also seems to have omitted it.

arnab · Post by **arnab** » 03 Mar 2010 07:36

Grasp the nettle
Zafar Hilaly

All this was planned, and so too the supercilious, and condescending tone of the Indian foreign secretary in her post-talks remarks to the press, replete with clichés and truisms. Imagine ending a much anticipated meeting between two neighbouring nuclear powers, at daggers drawn while the region is in turmoilm with a "Hey, let's keep in touch." For sheer featherbrained zaniness it was unprecedented.

India has reverted to type. This is Swaran Singh's India, not that of Manmohan Singh, or Sonia's that we had come to hope. This is the smug, arrogant and boorish India of old that has so blighted relations. It is the India that swaggered like the local bully and feted itself on its victory in Bengal against a foe that was countless times weaker. And an India that still prefers to kill to retain what is not its own to hold.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=226897

arun · Post by **arun** » 03 Mar 2010 07:38

Article suggests that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan having been stymied by India in attaching the territory of Jammu & Kashmir both by the overt use of force in wars and by the covert use of force via Islamic jihadi terrorism is now changing tack and is seeking to detach the resources of Jammu & Kashmir, rather than territory, through external balancers:

Wednesday, March 03, 2010

WASHINGTON DIARY: India-Pakistan conundrum —Dr Manzur Ejaz

…………… For Pakistan, the territory of Kashmir may not be as important as the water issue. If the Pakistani claims are valid, then Indian infringements into the rivers running from its territory into Pakistan will leave major parts of Pakistan barren. Agriculture is not possible in Punjab and Sindh without river water. Therefore, unless Pakistan is assured on the supply of water, it will never abandon the proxies that can keep India on its toes by destabilising Kashmir.

Many world experts have predicted that future wars will be fought over water. States within India, like Punjab and Sindh in Pakistan, are continuously at each other’s throats because of this scarce natural resource. If federating units within India and Pakistan cannot forgo their claims, how will the two hostile nations? Therefore, the Indo-Pak dispute over water in the garb of the Kashmir problem is not unique and will not go away unless credible international organisations provide effective guarantees. …………….

Daily Times

kgoan · Post by **kgoan** » 03 Mar 2010 07:59

Folks, Re: The LeT:

As you all know, every jihadi group has some sort of relationship to the Pak Army - formal or informal. Of all these groups the LeT (I'll keep calling them LeT) is unique. Unlike every other group, the LeT *is* the pak Army.

Folks need to grok this point: For example, in the media we frequently hear of the "rogue" ISI. This is, as I hope you all know, rubbish. The ISI is made up of officers on deputations from the Pak Army, it is no more "independent" than the pak artillery corps. It's part and parcel of the Pak Army. The ISI isn't a "state within a state", the Pak Army has that role.

A similar thing holds with the LeT.

The role the LeT plays is crucial. Everyone here should know the importance the officers mess plays within any armies structure in "bonding" officers together. In a rigorously hierarchical organisation, the officers mess is where every officer gets to be "one of us". The hierarchy still exists, but the officers mess "socialises" officers together.

A similar function holds in, say, police canteens. Ask any police officer and he'll tell you the importance of such places.

This is where the LeT comes in: It plays two crucial roles in the Pak system: One is to socialise the Pak army folk, across *all* ranks, into the "islamist" aspect. Note: Islam-ist, NOT Islam-ic. It acts as an outlet where some low ranker can speak on equal terms with a higher rank on "islam-ist warriorhood". It acts just as the officers mess does, but aimed at reinforcing the "jihadi" (in its army meaning) culture of the Pak Army.

It's other role is eqully crucial: there are a lot of non-army folk that are crucial to the pak Army (the engineers, scientists, plain civvies etc) tht have no formal entry to the "officers mess" culture. These folks entry into the Pak Army culture is via the LeT. i.e. the Islam-ist aspect.

The LeT is as much a part of the Pak Army as their various welfare organisations. The LeT is as important a glue in the Pak Army as the Agricultural Department. (For those of you folks who don't understand why that's important, and may seem amusing or unimportant, note that the pak army Agriculture Dept is more important for the average Pak Officer in his daily life, than the Pak nuclear command auhority. See it's the Agriculture Dept that plays a *crucial* role in thngs like plots being given to officers. It is *the* heart of the material reward system within the Pak Army).

The ISI can't act outside it's Pak Army authority - but the LeT can because of it's "across all ranks" and "islamist" nature. A bearded havaldar is equal to a clean shaven colonel in a LeT social gathering. Note, this is not a contradiction. The ISI acts on Pak Army instructions from a top-down hierarchy. The LeT ensures the Pak Army has a bottom up feedback from it's Islam-ist rank and file.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 03 Mar 2010 08:02

Ethnic divide simmering in Quaid-i-Azam University

Ethnic divide between students is simmering in Quaid-i-Azam University (QAU) as there are different councils namely up to support Punjabis, Sindhis, Seraikis, Balochis and Pukhtoon. Dr Gulraiz, the Academic Staff Association secretary, said there was a ban on political activities, but Muslim Student Federation, Peoples Student federation, Islami Jamiat Tulaba did exist in the university.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 03 Mar 2010 08:04

Pakistan loses $400m to ‘enhanced oversight’

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -330-rs-08

Over $400 million in reimbursement claims by Pakistan under Coalition Support Fund (CSF) for 2008 have been rejected by the United States because of new guidelines requiring ‘enhanced oversight and accountability’.

Total claims for 2008 were $1.4 billion, but Pakistan got $997 million in reimbursement, whereas the remaining claims were disallowed on grounds of “inadequate substantiation, over-billing” and other objections, sources told Dawn.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 Mar 2010 08:30

Paki History lesson.
Bhopal, Kerala and the splitting of the moon
By Al Qaida Khan ( Gapori)

In my columns of July 22 and Oct 14, 2009, I had written in detail about Raja Bhojpal of Bhopal, his sighting of the splitting of the moon, sending his son, Mata Din, with a delegation to Madina, embracing Islam, etc. I had also written about the Raja of Kerala sending his son with a delegation to Madina, their meeting with the Holy Prophet (PBUH), embracing Islam (taking the Muslim name of Mohiuddin), the marriage of the prince to the daughter of a companion of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) and the whole delegation embracing Islam. The most recent article by Mr Javedullah Raja (Jang, Feb 20) points out that the ruler himself had also gone to Madina where he embraced Islam and took the Muslim name of Tajuddin. Prince Mohiuddin, after becoming the ruler, built a mosque (Cheraman Jamia

Mosque) in the name of his father. This mosque is considered to be the first mosque built on the subcontinent.[/quote]
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=226899

negi · Post by **negi** » 03 Mar 2010 08:35

Unkil to deliver 1000 LGB kits to TSP as per TOI ostensibly for GOAT .

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 Mar 2010 08:39

However, Indian potential as an economic partner of Saudi Arabia is considerable and that is where the two governments are seriously engaged. The two sides have agreed to cooperate in information technology, space science and such other frontier technologies, which in turn, is likely to increase joint venture from the present 500, in which the Saudis have invested something like 20 billion dollars. But it is the Saudi oil that is of paramount interest to the Indian economy. Rightly then, Prime Minister Singh, in his speech to the Council of Saudi Chambers of Commerce and Industry, called for a "comprehensive energy partnership". India would also like to finalise an India-AGCC Free Trade Agreement, but that is in the realm of the future, given the fact that while the AGCC countries extensively share foreign policy perspectives, they are each other's tough economic competitors, in India also.

http://www.brecorder.com/index.php?id=1 ... =&supDate=
INDIA GCC free trade agreement and Paki retardness will expedite Paki end game. Pacquie scared of Econmic Warfare already doing Gilla Nahi Kiya face saving fuddubazi. Living on Alm while dreaming of Palm , they cant take a single punch. Now lets stop water an send Golden Eagler of IAF across the LOC.