Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 08 Mar 2010 03:24

Naidu wrote:
Looks like the Pakis are working overtime to impress the US. Why? And, why now?

Tough to tell. TSP already has the equal equal in its kitty, I mean from terror PoV; TSP is also victim onlee, India has "Hindu extremists" and TSP has its etc etc. Its got to be something else. Some form of a nuke deal perhaps?

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 08 Mar 2010 03:37

Summary of Najam Sethi's program.

1) Pakistan policy so far has failed to get concessions from India. So now they have to try Aman (i.e beg) for getting concessions from India.
2) With SS Menon as NSA, he hopes Pakistan can get concessions. He thought SeS was a step forward but India had to roll back because of hawkish opposition.
3) The current talks could not have happened if SS Menon had not been NSA. Somehow MMS and SS Menon have a long term vision of relationship with Pakistan.
4) It appears that India talked tough on terror during the FS talks recently.
5) Siddharth Varadarajan also chimed in. I guess (don't exactly recall) he was the one saying that now the opposition within the govt against talks with Pakistan is gone. Maybe he was referring to the ouster of MKN.

What Najam Sethi is saying is at odds with what Zaid Hamid (spokesman of PA) says. However, NS believes that there could be consensus within the PA too for peace with India.

I think the main thing to watch out for is unilateral concessions from India like the one at SeS.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 08 Mar 2010 04:33

it is illogical to think that (TS)PA wants peace with India. if there were peace, the the TSPA would lose all power and economic leverage and relevance. Now why would turkeys vote for christmas? or bakras for eid?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 08 Mar 2010 04:36

csharma wrote:
What Najam Sethi is saying is at odds with what Zaid Hamid (spokesman of PA) says. However, NS believes that there could be consensus within the PA too for peace with India.

I think the main thing to watch out for is unilateral concessions from India like the one at SeS.

There has got to be. No way TSP is going to roll back terror, India's key demand, unless TSPA can show something on Kashmir. Now it could also be possible that MMS unilaterally conceedes something on water, TSP's latest tizzy, as a way of placating TSP. And on top of it, as I suspect, Unkil could thrown in some nuke deal lollypops and seal the equal equal even further. Short of this for a start, I can't see how the blood thirst of the Pakis can be quenched. They need something big from India at gun point. That is their recipe for "peace".

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 08 Mar 2010 04:39

TSPA think tanks (oxymoron) must have come up with a scenario for a suitable concession from India which maintains the boiling pot whilst also showing success for their policy. something tangible that they can show to mango jehadi/khilafati whilst not actually get invaded by yindoos and have pyjama utaroed...

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 08 Mar 2010 05:19

A lot of Taquiya being practiced by Najam Sethi. He says these few things.
1. Mushy and MMS had indeed agreed to a few key things, that had not been tried before. NS had tried to do the same before mushy and BB had tried deals with India on the same lines.
2. The 63 year old policy of hatered against India has failed. He accepts the Khalistan thing being done by pakistan to irritate india to bring its growth and dev down, instead India grew from strength. Mentions 9% growth, says that as far as india is concerned, Pakistan is only of Nuisance value.
3. Says he's visited J&K, the kashmiris unequivocally DON'T want to join Pakistan, they don't want to be with India either, but are willing to bide their time with India, and defer full independence to a later date. Says Kashmiris are willing for autonomy for now. The kashmiris pleaded that they were getting killed by pakistan's policy. NS says that they've (Pakistan) has gotten 100,000 people killed in Kashmir, India still holds onto that territory as strong as ever.
4. To start off he says that any deal on Siachen, Sir creek, Indus Waters will benefit Pakistan. He says that India's withdrawl from Siachen to go back to the position before 84, and oil exploration in Sir Creek will benefit Pakistan. On indus waters he says, that pakistan's indus water commissioner says that India has not yet violated the treaty, but future developments by India can lead to its violating it.
5. Says that the Mumbai attacks leads all lead back home to pakistan - he obviously can't say more. Says Hafiz Sayeed has a valid viewpoint, but that viewpoint had been tried and tested and had not yielded results.
6. Says that if another mumbai type attack happens, India might resort to a cold start, in the ensuing 15 day war, pakistan will be irreparably damaged, people will revolt, India will easily withstand it, assuming no nuclear weapons are used.
7. Siddarth Vardharajan butts in, shows that he is in cahoots with the peace league in India, who are willing to buy peace at all costs to India. Najam Sethi repeatedly cuts off SV when he starts to get too uncomfortable.
8. NS says that India wants terror to stop, and only then will negotiate.

BTW I would recommend that this video be watched in its entirity, and most of Najam Sethi's videos where he discusses anything related to India be watched. The program was supposed to also discuss MMS's visit to Saudi Arabia, but ran out of time. I am searching for any subsequent video that deals with this subject. Will advise other BRFites to search also.

From my POV. I am beginning to understand that what India's leadership wants wrt relationship with Pakistan is different from what the average BRF jingo wants. This is something there were undercurrents of, even in vajpayee's era. If Indira Gandhi's final price was LOC=IB and India give up POK for ever, as has been suggested, and vajpayee also went along those same lines, then MMS trying to do the same is no different from his predecessors.

What happens to the Parliament resolution where India reaffirmed to itself that the whole state of J&K is an integral part of India? Looks like that resolution is only going to be used as lip service when uncomfortable situations arise.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 08 Mar 2010 05:41

Pakistan arrests US-born al-Qaida spokesman

Gadahn grew up on a goat farm in Riverside County, California, and converted to Islam at a mosque in nearby Orange County.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Mar 2010 06:16

Pratyush wrote:
Shiv, agree with depakistanization but how to make them reach that stage, when they openly welcome depakistanization.

As I strongly feel that we as a nation need to start articulating the need to destroy Pakistan. Because as long as Pakistan exists its 3.5 friends will always think that they can use it to hold India down. We know from experience that Pakistan can't hold India down. But India will have to spend blood and treasure to protect its citizens and economic growth form the madness that comes out of Pakistan.

How to do this, that is the question.

If it was not for Pakistan, India might become a peace loving country, like 1200 AD.

But let us go back to Raphael Patai's pink elephant example of sex and the Arab mind

The issue of sex in the Arab world reminds me of the old story about the Sorceror's apprentice and the pink elephant. The master of Alchemy, after explaining to his apprentice the complex steps to be followed in making gold, added: "And most importantly, throughout the entire process you must not think of the pink elephant". Having been duly impressed by this warning, the apprentice tried desperately to heed it, but, of course was unable to keep the forbidden subject out of his thoughts. At last he had to give up his attempts at making gold and sadly reproached his master: "Why, O my master, why did you have to tell me not to think of the pink elephant? If you had not, I would never have thought of it"

The Pakistani approach to sex, and Indian attractions for that matter is like this Arab mind example. It assumes "out of sight, out of mind". The presumption is that if wimmens are unavailable men will stop having hard ons. This piece of Einstein-giri can only come out of what passes for a mind in the Pak army-ISI. So while Pakis are thinking hard about how to avoid sex and India - India should make soft p()rn and India available - at a price.

In fact I am now becoming a great fan of Aman ki Asha.The important thing is to understand and promote the concept of "De-Pakistanization". We must have de-Pakistanization Ashrams for Pakistanis. The name "de-Pakistanizaion" is important both for Indians and Pakistanis. Indians are also too stupid - left to themselves and imagine that Pakis can be let into India as Pakis. That must not be allowed Like the words from that song (Big Yellow Taxi or something)

Don't it always seem
like you don't know what you've got till its gone.

Instead of recognizing India for what it throws up - Indians can be thick as bricks, and dour, humorless and unimaginative to boot. I am referring to the Swami Nithyananda example. That young man could have been another Osho for Sauth Asian Peace. Nithyananda should be given free rein and government subsidies to set of "De Pakistanization Ashrams" . A secular theme with culture and lessons about unity in diversity. Free love for spiritual release and removal of worldly desires.

Of course dePakistanization Ashrams should have a fence and security. Indians are violent no? Any random Gujrati or Col Prohat may come any time and attack innocent waterless Pakis undergoing depakistanization no? So a fence and guards.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Mar 2010 06:43

The fast and best cure for de-Pakinization comes in 2 popular sizes, 5.56 and 7.62 all on automatic. We cant forget hard learned lesson of few hundred years that onlee good Paki is a Good/Dead One. The disease is accute and need immediate attention . Ashrams can be made for few lucky one who survive the first dose.

arun · Post by **arun** » 08 Mar 2010 07:17

X Posted. Terrorist Islamic Jihadi organizations have got on the water bandwagon in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. The UN designated terrorist organization the Jamaatud Dawah Pakistan has launched a “Movement for Saving Water Resources of Pakistan”. JuD leader Hafiz Muhammad Saeed was very much present

For a UN designated terrorist organization the JuD certainly has no apprehensions about openly operating over ground safe in the knowledge that they will remain unmolested in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. The clue lies in the description in the article of JuD as a “Charity Group”

Besides Water, the rally also worked up itself into a lather over Jammu & Kashmir and the Indian presence in Afghanistan:

Movement against Indian water aggression

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Mar 2010 07:26

arun wrote:X Posted. Terrorist Islamic Jihadi organizations have got on the water bandwagon in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. The UN designated terrorist organization the Jamaatud Dawah Pakistan has launched a “Movement for Saving Water Resources of Pakistan”. JuD leader Hafiz Muhammad Saeed was very much present

For a UN designated terrorist organization the JuD certainly has no apprehensions about openly operating over ground safe in the knowledge that they will remain unmolested in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. The clue lies in the description in the article of JuD as a “Charity Group”

Besides Water, the rally also worked up itself into a lather over Jammu & Kashmir and the Indian presence in Afghanistan:

Movement against Indian water aggression

Pakis should stop pissing first. That is waste of water.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 08 Mar 2010 07:40

Muslim govts silent over terrorism: JI

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=27674

Jamaat-e-Islami chief Syed Munawwar Hasan has said there is a conspiracy to portray Muslims as terrorists all over the world through propaganda and the Muslim rulers, after accepting the slavery of the US, are following its dictates to harm the Muslim Ummah.

Different institutions in the country, established by the colonial rulers, were still serving the aliens with a slavish mentality and the US had taken the Pakistani government and the army hostages, he said while addressing the concluding sitting of a two-day meeting of JI office holders at Mansoorah on Sunday.

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He said the JI fully supported the Jehad being waged by Hamas, Hizbullah, Hizbul Mujahideen, and the Afghan Taliban but it was not in favour of revolution through gun in Pakistan where opportunities for a constitutional and legal struggle were available. In fact, he said, the JI was a blessing in the country because it had directed the public sentiments to the right path instead of leading them to anarchy.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 08 Mar 2010 08:19

Najam Sethi's third youtube should be watched. pakistanis are not necessarily ignorant. That they chose to be so is a different matter.

This man is in awe of what India is achieving but keeps his observations to matter of fact. He should be given refugee status when the time comes.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 08 Mar 2010 08:28

Google for "scope of physics in Pakistan" the top query shows that this question was asked a year ago but has only one reply from Hoodbhyoy..
Checkit out: here ..

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 08 Mar 2010 08:32

sanjaykumar wrote:Najam Sethi's third youtube should be watched. pakistanis are not necessarily ignorant. That they chose to be so is a different matter.

This man is in awe of what India is achieving but keeps his observations to matter of fact. He should be given refugee status when the time comes.

Check out what the caller says about taking Kashmir.
They are convinced that they can have Kashmir as if it is on a plate and they are a legitimate nation with some aspirations. The generations of Pakis are fed into this Kashmir without having any knowledge of the long history of the kashmir for Hindus and the entire Indian country. Pakis work under the assumption that the Hindu interest and their history is not valid or not even legitimate. It is ultimate social engineering in 60 years. This needs to be reversed. Legitimacy of the Hindu history and human rights of the Hindus has to be restored.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Mar 2010 09:20

Gagan wrote:Duniya TV - Tonight with Najam Sethi: Indo-Pak relations.
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J5ZwcvzQGQ
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hzr6bpbDeI
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOoPc9kUvzA
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnbjNn3He70

What is "hukumat"?
What is "riyasat"?

negi · Post by **negi** » 08 Mar 2010 09:24

Hukumat== Ruler (Ruling Party)
Riyasat== Kingdom (state)

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 08 Mar 2010 09:25

I think I found the official anthem of the TSP thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4rCNOC3-0g
This was shown on Geo's Capital Talk, by Hamid Mir, to show the hatred Bharatiyas have for Pakistan.

Incidentally, in this episode, Hamid Mir and others debate whether Pakistan's Kashmir policy has failed because in the recent Manmohan Singh Saudi joint statement, there was no mention either of Pakistan or of Kashmir. Pakistan feels totally let down by the Saudis.

PS: If Ganga flows through Lahore, that will solve the Pakistani water problem, no?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 08 Mar 2010 09:29

^^^^
This video has rattled many Pakis. The josh from the Indian child has shocked them

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 08 Mar 2010 09:42

Suicide attack on FIA building in Lahore

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 08 Mar 2010 09:43

Gagan wrote:A lot of Taquiya being practiced by Najam Sethi.
5. Says that the Mumbai attacks leads all lead back home to pakistan - he obviously can't say more. Says Hafiz Sayeed has a valid viewpoint, but that viewpoint had been tried and tested and had not yielded results.

taquiya is right. As Sridhar has highlighted NS never misses an opportunity to threaten. he's always threatening new clear dawn or love from saeed types.

in any case, this is the crucial difference between india and tsp. there are may be many hawks in positions of influence in india, but nobody would endorse any point by anybody akin to saeed. saeed types, if any would be parched out in catholic india. in protestant tsp such vermin are nurtured as strategic assets and find endorsement from even "knowledgeable" folks like sethi.

with regards to kashmir, tsp is not able to provide even the promised grass to its own donkeys and they are promising the prairies to the wild horses in kashmir. remember last harvest season when in a fit of anger and under a spell of awesome sloganeering, including "sagely" advise by "academics" kashmiris trucked their apples to pakistani markets? all they got for their apples was lota. but this is not just economics, what is a realistic future of kashmiri bhasha, kashmiri deen etc in a pakjab dominated tsp?

vishal · Post by **vishal** » 08 Mar 2010 09:43

^^^^^
Geo reporting 5 dead so far.

http://geo.tv/3-8-2010/60620.htm
Extract: The blast was so powerful that it created a huge 20 to 30-foot crater on the blast site and the nearby buildings were harmed.

A secret agency office was targeted at 815am near the seminary of Dr Israr Ahmed in K Block of Model town.

The blast razed the building to ground. The injured are being taken out from under the rubble. Of the 22 injured, four are in critical state.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Mar 2010 09:53

Huge blasts rock lahore, several casualties feared: ToI

"The blast has taken place in Model Town area near the FIA (Federal Investigation Agency) building and we are trying to ascertain the nature of the blast and number of casualties," police official Mohammad Riaz said.

"There was a big blast," police official Mohammad Irfan confirmed. It was close to the police investigation building and a seminary, he added.

AoA.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Mar 2010 10:00

^^^ Again, its the non-TSPA uniformed types - the Police, the FIA, FC etc that are taking the brunt of this pious campaign. Truly children of a lesser gawd these nonmilitary agencies be.

IMO, these attacks are likely ISI-scripted ones to milk more baksheesh on the int'l stage pimping the uniformed corpses of the FIA types.

Unless PA afsar cadre and ISI regular cadre start getting bumped off, its all maya onlee.

vishal · Post by **vishal** » 08 Mar 2010 10:00

Pakis on Twitter saying it was an FIA safe house that got hit. Did the attackers have advance info on who would be in the safe house? Would be interesting to know if there was a specific target or they just blew up the building because it housed an FIA facility. They certainly packed enough explosives to bring the whole place down.

vishal · Post by **vishal** » 08 Mar 2010 10:06

Blast in Lahore, Sensex crosses 17,000

MMS should view this as a sign.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 08 Mar 2010 10:24

Re: Najam Sethi's stuff - it is all "India must concede..." and nothing else. There is nothing positive that he suggested that Pakistan can offer India, only a negative - not being a nuisance.

Really, these guys are nihilists.d

Are there positives that Pakistan can offer? I think so - e.g., transit to Afghanistan, agreement that Afghans will choose their future without Pakistani "help".

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 08 Mar 2010 10:26

Acharya wrote:^^^^
This video has rattled many Pakis. The josh from the Indian child has shocked them

Was this posted on BRF before?

sarvadharam · Post by **sarvadharam** » 08 Mar 2010 10:26

Unless PA afsar cadre and ISI regular cadre start getting bumped off, its all maya onlee.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 08 Mar 2010 10:37

A_Gupta wrote:Was this posted on BRF before?

yes....
btw the count is up to 8 in lahore.
Bomb In Pakistan's Lahore Kills 8

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 08 Mar 2010 10:37

Arindam wrote:Pakistan is trying to strengthen the grass-roots support for terrorism that exists in that country:

From http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_in ... ed_1356441

Saeed was briefly detained by Pakistani authorities after India accused him of masterminding the attacks but was freed on the orders of the Lahore high court in June last year.

Over the past few weeks, Saeed and other JuD leaders have addressed a series of gatherings and given media interviews in which they have backed calls for jehad against India and expressed support for militant groups operating in Jammu and Kashmir.

Hundreds of people, including farmers riding tractors, participated in today's rally. India and Pakistan have serious differences over sharing of waters in rivers such as Indus and Chenab.

The protestors marched from Nasir Bagh ground to the assembly on Mall Road, where Saeed addressed the gathering.

The participants carried banners and placards with slogans like "Water or War", "Diversion of Pakistani rivers- Indian water bomb", "Water flows or blood", "Liberate Kashmir to secure water" and "No peace with Indian water aggression".

Should have been "Liberate Kashmir to secure water for Pakistani Punjab" , no? When will Kashmiris see this to be the plot??

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Mar 2010 10:38

Lahore blast

Talking to media, Punjab police chief Tariq Salim Dogar said the secret agency was working in a residential area as there is shortage of offices; the targeted office was to be shifted to its proper working place.

The police chief said the blast targeted the special investigation unit of the secret agency.

It should be mentioned that the secret agency’s investigation and research office was working at a house situated in K Block of Model Town.

arun · Post by **arun** » 08 Mar 2010 11:09

vishal wrote:^^^^^
Geo reporting 5 dead so far.

http://geo.tv/3-8-2010/60620.htm

The BBC is reporting that the death toll in today’s demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan in Lahore has further grown to 11:

Eleven killed in Pakistan's Lahore city blast

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 08 Mar 2010 11:25

This kind of violence is senseless...

what is mean is this is an interrogation center, so there would be some pure that get bumped off...who may have put their talents to better use inside TSP

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Mar 2010 11:32

Freedom fighters have struck Lahore. Toll is mounting. Has the IED mubaraks targetting the security apparatus in TSP, which was rudely interrupted a few moons ago, resumed finally? The next few days should tell. Jai ho.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 08 Mar 2010 11:45

Hari Seldon wrote:Freedom fighters have struck Lahore. Toll is mounting. Has the IED mubaraks targetting the security apparatus in TSP, which was rudely interrupted a few moons ago, resumed finally? The next few days should tell. Jai ho.

The key is this is hitting the Pakbarian core which is Pakjab...

Bheem · Post by **Bheem** » 08 Mar 2010 12:26

The trick is not to "hit" but to create a mass movement which will drive out rapes and turn Pakistan into international pariah like "North Korea". The only answer which i can think of, is turning the taliban movement into "land for peasants" movement. With 2 million guns in Pakistan, army can never hope to contain an 'armed mass movment'.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 08 Mar 2010 12:26

The Lahore blast is like Virender Sewag hits on a bad day, a lot of effort into the shots but going straight to the fielders, not too many runs

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SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Mar 2010 12:55

Some details about the Lahore blast

. . . at least 600-kilogram explosives have been used in the blast. While, Bomb Disposal Squad said the explosives were 800 kilograms.

The material are being said to be the C4, which is the most horrible among explosives.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 08 Mar 2010 12:56

Naidu wrote:Reports in Pakistan Say U.S.-Born al-Qaida Militant Arrested

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/03 ... st.html?hp

KARACHI, Pakistan (AP) -- The American-born spokesman for al-Qaida has been arrested by Pakistani intelligence officers in the southern city of Karachi, two officers and a government official said Sunday, the same day Adam Gadahn appeared in a video urging U.S. Muslims to attack their own country.
Looks like the Pakis are working overtime to impress the US. Why? And, why now?

Latest news says they've caught someone else, not Gadahn.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/ ... 5953.shtml
The person they caught is one "Abu Yahya"