Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 10 Mar 2010 21:49

Pakis being pakis
Men seized 'days before planned attack in Britain'

Naseer, 23, and Ahmed Faraz Khan, who British authorities say are a national security risk, are appealing against deportation to Pakistan. Another three men - Shoaib Khan, Abdul Wahab Khan and Tariq Ur Rehman - have already been sent back to Pakistan and are appealing to return to Britain.

How come pakis desperately want to be true pakis but don't want to be sent to pakiland or live there?

Hain ji?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Mar 2010 22:47

My onlee grudge with Mazdak,he insults Indian by considring Jawed Naqvi an Indian. Please keep him and dont send him back, he is more Paki than Paki.

saip · Post by **saip** » 10 Mar 2010 23:21

You have to go through body scanners or agree to a patdown to enter an airport to board a plane. So paki delegation must have driven from Dulles airport to another airport where there are no scanners to board their pigs intl airlines . Now that TSA has started using these body scanners in more airports, pakis will have a big problem. They can land in US but they can never get home unless they swim or drive to mexico or canada!

NikhilB · Post by **NikhilB** » 11 Mar 2010 00:20

For once, decisive and firm action on part of GOI re our Afghan strategy:
India to scale down Afghan operations after attacks

Didn't like this. Just few days back PM was saying that we will not bow down to these cowardly terrorist attacks on Indians in Afgan.

I really hope that is just a declaration to world at large and we continue carrying our "necessary" operations. I wish...

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 11 Mar 2010 01:55

National Bird Dispatches 12

Islamabad, March 10 (DPA) Two suspected US drone attacks Wednesday in Pakistan's restive tribal region near the Afghan border killed at least 12 people, intelligence officials said.

The airstrikes took place in Datta Khel area of North Waziristan, a known sanctuary of Taliban and Al Qaeda militants.

'A drone fired five missiles on a vehicle apparently carrying some miscreants,' said a local intelligence official who spoke on condition of anonymity. 'Six people died in the attack'.

The second drone fired two more missiles on a crowd of villagers carrying out relief work, killing six people and injuring several others.

The attack occurred in an area that is controlled by Hafiz Gul Bahadur, a Taliban commander who has signed a peace deal with the Pakistani government.

2 sixers. Apparently one off a no-ball.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 11 Mar 2010 02:01

jamwal wrote:'A drone fired five missiles on a vehicle apparently carrying some miscreants,'

5 missiles on a single truck! Apparantly some terrorists must be thrown off the truck and survived the initial blast, or the initial blast missed the truck, so the drone had to do some berry picking.
Must be pretty important people in that truck for them to waste 5 missiles there.

jamwal wrote:The second drone fired two more missiles on a crowd of villagers carrying out relief work, killing six people and injuring several others.

This must be the type of relief work that pakistanis routinely indulge in on roadsides while planting IEDs.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 11 Mar 2010 02:27

A drone fired five missiles on a vehicle apparently carrying some miscreants,' said a local intelligence official who spoke on condition of anonymity. 'Six people died in the attack'.

Local intelligence officer. Take it FWIW considering high standards of Baki intelligence.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 11 Mar 2010 03:23

Does anyone know when that pakistani delegation to Washington DC arrive and when it departed DC? Did they actually return back from the airport or did they enjoy massa hospitality and return back and create a ruckus?

They arrived in Washington DC a few days ago ( 7 days of 15 day trip) (getting $200 per day per person for food etc - of my - us taxpayer's money) and were on a flight to New Orleans for the next part of trip where they refused. (These guys were told in Pak it self that US has no VIP culture .. any one selected has to go through security etc) This according to NY times, $37 Million program from US embassy in Pak to encourage and "strengthen Educational and culture relationship" with Munna (About 2,000 Pakistanis are expected to participate this year) ..

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 11 Mar 2010 03:28

6 Employees of U.S. Charity Killed in Attack in Pakistan

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 11 Mar 2010 03:35

Amber G. wrote: They arrived in Washington DC a few days ago (getting $200 per day per person for food etc - of my - us taxpayer's money) and were on a flight to New Orleans for the next part of trip where they refused. (These guys were told in Pak it self that US has no VIP culture .. any one selected has to go through security etc) This according to NY times, $37 Million program from US embassy in Pak to encourage and "strengthen Educational and culture relationship" with Munna (About 2,000 Pakistanis are expected to participate this year) ..

The US policy is simple. Either get full body scan at airport by TSA or get full cavity scan in Federal prison by Cripps, MS13 and Aryan Nation. I guess the delegation was hoping for the later and was not satisfied with just the former.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 11 Mar 2010 06:23

Demand for Seraiki province

MNA Sardar Bahadur Khan Sehar, announced on Tuesday that he would not cast his vote in favour of a new constitutional package unless a new Seraiki province was made part of it. He said the time had come to divide the Punjab because such a big province could not be managed by the rulers in Lahore. He said the concentration of power in Islamabad and then in Lahore had greatly kept the people of Seraiki areas deprived and under developed.

Meanwhile, PML-N MNA from Multan, Rana Mehmoodul Hassan, also supported the new administrative unit in the South of Punjab. He said he was confident that his party leadership would definitely appreciate the concerns and aspirations of the people of South Punjab who were in favour of a new administrative unit to address their rising grievances and poverty.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Mar 2010 06:45

BijuShet wrote:
shiv wrote:Does anyone have Irfan Husain's email id?
Based on this archived collection of his articles at Dawn : http://www.dawn.com/weekly/mazdak/arc-mazdak.htm

Up to 26 June 2004 : mazdak@cyber.net.pk

From 26 June 2004 to February 11, 2009 (most likely even now) : Irfan.husain@gmail.com
based on this article as of 20 Feb, 2010 : Secrets, spies and lies by Irfan Husain

Thanks

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Mar 2010 06:57

For what it is worth, I could not resist replying to Irfan Husain in an email entitled "Irate Indian"

Sir,

This is with reference to your article that should have been entitled "Here,
knock this chip off my shoulder" but was actually called "Don't shoot the
messenger".

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -030-zj-06

Of course you have a right to write about India. I am Indian and have written
a book on Pakistan myself - it is online, but that is not relevant here.

I love your stye of rhetoric, and would like to use that style of rhetoric to
tell you a story. I know a man, an American, who knows you personally and
knew your mother too. He was visiting India recently eating the better
tasting vegetables here when I asked him about you. He said "Well, I know Irfan
Husain well and knew his mother too. I respect them, but his mother was an
ugly old bag."

Now I am sure you will not be upset at being told that your mother was an ugly
old bag. I admire you, but I am only telling you what a common friend told
me. Let that not detract from the fact that you sometimes write well when you
write about Pakistan.

We must not shoot the messenger. No?

Shiv Sastry
Kaafiristan

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 11 Mar 2010 07:07

Can the women of Pakistan have a significant effect on its evolution? E.g., Pakislam weighs down on women, will they take it forever?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 11 Mar 2010 07:19

Confronting reality

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=228273

With a $1.4 trillion GNP , India ranks as the world's 10th largest economy. The Indian leadership has been working along the lines of a well conceived plan to transform India into a military and strategic power. They plan to spend $100 billion during the next ten years on acquisitions to modernise the structure of their forces and the arms buildup will continue until they feel confident of having achieved a level of conventional and strategic parity with China.

Delhi's competitive nature of its relationship with China fits remarkably well with the US' designs and grand strategy in the region. For Pakistan to expect that India would restrain its regional or global aspirations to reduce Pakistan's insecurities would be unrealistic. This development has to be viewed in the context of the India-China-US triangle. The other converging factor between the US and India is the fight against the Islamic radical elements.

...

There is also a need to educate the public of the consequences of a nuclear catastrophe.

It is an irony of fate that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is among the last generation of Indian leaders who genuinely desire peace with Pakistan.

...

The PPP and all other major political parties on our side are willing to extend the hand of friendship and the government has repeatedly expressed its desire to engage in a structured dialogue with India. But with the low credibility of our top leadership and their weak grip over major policy issues, India would prefer to stall. Also, our military's attitude towards jihadi groups and our relations with India also seems to be unclear. Last year our economy grew at two per cent as compared to India's which was 7.5 per cent and may move to 9-10 per cent in the coming years. With militancy still not under control, our economy will remain under great distress. We must confront the reality of how will we sustain a growing defence budget with a feeble economy and lackluster governance.

The writer is a retired lieutenant-general. Email: talat@ comsats.net.pk

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 11 Mar 2010 07:22

High-level Pak-US talks begins on 18th

http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=100449

Amiral Noman Bashir will begin top-level negotiations with the US officials in the Pentagon on March 18. Only days after the arrival of Admiral Bashir, chief of army staff Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani is reaching Washington to hold very important dialogue with the US officials on the issue of regional security.

Gen Kayani is expected to meet, among others, the US national security advisor Gen James Jones, secretary defence Robert gates, secretary of state Hillary Clinton, Admiral Mullen and ambassador Holbrooke. ISI chief Gen Shuja Pasha is also expected to join Gen Kayani in the dialogue with the top US officials.

In the last week of March foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi will be in Washington with a high-level delegation to lead Pak-US strategic dialogue. The US side is expected to be led by secretary of state Hillary Clinton.

Then, in the second week of April, Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani will arrive here to attend the Nuclear Security Summit, which is being hosted by US President Obama.

...

Besides attending the summit he is expected to meet President Obama. Top Pakistani and US officials are also working to arrange a meeting between the Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Prime Minister Gilani though it is not confirmed yet whether such meeting will take place.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 Mar 2010 07:32

abhishek_sharma wrote:Confronting reality
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=228273
With a $1.4 trillion GNP , India ranks as the world's 10th largest economy. The Indian leadership has been working along the lines of a well conceived plan to transform India into a military and strategic power. They plan to spend $100 billion during the next ten years on acquisitions to modernise the structure of their forces and the arms buildup will continue until they feel confident of having achieved a level of conventional and strategic parity with China.
It is an irony of fate that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is among the last generation of Indian leaders who genuinely desire peace with Pakistan....b]We must confront the reality[/b] of how will we sustain a growing defence budget with a feeble economy and lackluster governance.
The writer is a retired lieutenant-general. Email: talat@ comsats.net.pk ]

Indian's dream and Pacquistanians's nightmare. By 2020 we move to 7+T and Paki trying to afford a drink of water. IMHO we must keep this "strategic and sovereign" party charade going for a while. If we can afford 100 Billion for new acquisitions, who is gonna stop us to allocate 10 billions for next 10 years to all the freedom fighters fighting to fix Durand line. And Paki Larki logs, past 2020 ,the Indian defence allocation for the Afghan National Army will exceed your entire defence budget .

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 11 Mar 2010 07:35

Steps urged to counter Indian designs on Chenab

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... chenab-130

Pakistan should build Mangla-Marala link canal on a priority basis to counter Indian designs on Chenab and strengthen its line of defence vis-à-vis India, Indus Water Commissioner Syed Jamaat Ali Shah said here on Wednesday.

...

He said the government would constitute a think tank to create a pool of experts so that the treaty could be kept on track and ensure its implementation in letter and spirit.

It would also allow Pakistan to take up treaty issues with India effectively, he added.

Mr Shah dispelled an impression that Pakistan was wasting its water and said the country had “unutilised water” for which dams were being built.

...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Mar 2010 07:43

A_Gupta wrote:Can the women of Pakistan have a significant effect on its evolution? E.g., Pakislam weighs down on women, will they take it forever?

Here is what I believe about this. If you look at "family size" distribution over large parts of Pakistan you find that each woman is probably having about 6 children (family size 8 ). A woman with 6 children is typically weighed down from age 16 to 40 just looking after children and fending for the family. For a wealthy woman who has everything, including home help - six children may be tolerable. But if you must live in grinding poverty - then the woman can't be a shining example of a happy citizen.

Oh for sure she will not blame Islam. The idea that Islam has something to do with this is certain - in the sense that the Islamic republic of Pakistan does not encourage birth control. Actually even knowledge of the rhythm method is useful birth control - but that knowledge is likely to be unavailable to these women. But she is unlikely to blame Islam for her suffering. Being unexposed to any experience outside her narrow life - she might curse, but accept her fate.

For the same reason. given the choice between food, shelter, fuel and war with India, the woman is likely to choose the former because troublesome kafirs are nowhere to be seen, but hunger and poverty is visible. But she has no such choice and that is why she is good for jihadi organizations. She can "give away" a son for jihad (one less mouth to feed) That still leaves her with five kids - assume three girls and two boys. The three girls will go on to lead lives like mummy. It is what those two boys do that will be of interest to us. I am certain that Pakistan does no have the support system to take every young man to fight jihad. Many just fall through the holes in the system but find themselves alive and with nothing to do. Many will take to crime. In fact if we go back to Kasab's story - the guy just wanted a gun to commit robbery before he was recruited.

Pakistan's social system keeps this mass of people in debt and in check. With the police and army being both brutal and corrupt - young men who fight the system will be beaten into submission, or perhaps just killed. This has worked fine for Pakistan up until now. Correction - I believe the problems in the system are beginning to show. At a population level of 165 million Pakistan seems to be in serious crisis. The Pakistani army - the nominal "leader" of Pakistan is unable to keep all 165 million in tight control the way it was possible perhaps 10 or 20 years ago. Even with all that Islam, many are opposed to the army and are joining together with various sub armies to fight each other and fight the Pakistani army. Perhaps that is why Hamid Gul fondly hoped for an Indian attack after 26/11 - saying that Baitullah Mehsud and Hakimullah etc would all join forces with the Pakistani army to fight India. Those two potential Paki patriots are dead now - less than one and a half years later. The video interview is still there though

So clearly there is some turmoil in Pakistan which is not being openly admitted by the ruling elite. The longer they deny it the better. Pakistan's population must climb to well over 200 million for us to see more social strife. The unemployed, uneducated, unemployable sons of Pakistan's women may join jihad - for a salary. Those who do not get that salary and those whom the system cannot absorb are going to fight with whoever is nearby. And let the Pakistan army and Paki police be nearby. An intact Pakistan is in India's interests. No?

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 11 Mar 2010 07:59

shiv wrote:For what it is worth, I could not resist replying to Irfan Husain in an email entitled "Irate Indian"

Well done

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 11 Mar 2010 07:59

shiv wrote: And let the Pakistan army and Paki police be nearby. An intact Pakistan is in India's interests. No?

I'm not vengeful. A Pakistan that does a Sheikh Hasina/Bangladesh is fine with me, intact or not. Of course, it is currently not in the tea leaves.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Mar 2010 08:15

The following link is a pointer to what is happening in Pakistan
http://pashtunistan.net/popuppagea.html

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 11 Mar 2010 08:16

President Karzai’s concrete assurance that the Afghan soil would not be used for terrorist activities against Pakistan was hailed by Islamabad.

Yawn.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 11 Mar 2010 08:20

abhishek_sharma wrote:Confronting reality

The writer is a retired lieutenant-general. Email: talat@ comsats.net.pk

Talat Masood on 9/11/2008

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2008_pg3_2

Pakistan is unlikely to completely give up the jihadi tool against India unless the Kashmir dispute finds a satisfactory resolution. Washington pays scant attention to Pakistan’s security and strategic concerns either with respect to India or Afghanistan, giving rise to the duality in Pakistani policy looked at with such distrust by the US. Pakistan’s new government will find it relatively easier to shut down jihadi networks and dismantle them in due course based on the future of the Kashmir issue. Given that, India has a major responsibility in stabilising the region.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 11 Mar 2010 08:22

shiv wrote:The following link is a pointer to what is happening in Pakistan
http://pashtunistan.net/popuppagea.html

Farhat Taj gives an interesting lesson on how to read between the lines.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Mar 2010 08:35

A_Gupta wrote:
shiv wrote:The following link is a pointer to what is happening in Pakistan
http://pashtunistan.net/popuppagea.html
Farhat Taj gives an interesting lesson on how to read between the lines.

In this connection - I am searching for details on land ownership in Pakistan. Clearly provinces with the greatest area and smallest populations (eg Baluchistan, NWFP) are likely to have people with huge landholdings.

So I am interested in land ownership patterns in Pakjab and Sindh. What percentage of people in Pakjab and Sindh own the most land and which individuals are at the top of that list?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Mar 2010 08:37

Vivek_A wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:Confronting reality

The writer is a retired lieutenant-general. Email: talat@ comsats.net.pk
Talat Masood on 9/11/2008

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2008_pg3_2

Pakistan is unlikely to completely give up the jihadi tool against India unless the Kashmir dispute finds a satisfactory resolution. Washington pays scant attention to Pakistan’s security and strategic concerns either with respect to India or Afghanistan, giving rise to the duality in Pakistani policy looked at with such distrust by the US. Pakistan’s new government will find it relatively easier to shut down jihadi networks and dismantle them in due course based on the future of the Kashmir issue. Given that, India has a major responsibility in stabilising the region.

Did he have an inkling about 26/11?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 11 Mar 2010 08:37

Shiv,

The Taliban rage at TV might be explained by the fact that TV showing programs from god-forsaken places like Bharat might be undermining the male authority in the house.

Among the first things the Taliban do are to put restrictions on women, burn down or close girls' schools, break television sets and ban TV and movies. Sometimes I wonder whether we are reading too much of global consequence into their actions; maybe they are simply terrified of losing control of their women and children which will inevitably happen if these outside influences are not destroyed.

-Arun

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 11 Mar 2010 08:38

shiv wrote: Did he have an inkling about 26/11?

He brought up Bangladesh war and Siachen to justify 26/11.

Bheem · Post by **Bheem** » 11 Mar 2010 08:45

shiv wrote:So clearly there is some turmoil in Pakistan which is not being openly admitted by the ruling elite. The longer they deny it the better. Pakistan's population must climb to well over 200 million for us to see more social strife. The unemployed, uneducated, unemployable sons of Pakistan's women may join jihad - for a salary. Those who do not get that salary and those whom the system cannot absorb are going to fight with whoever is nearby. And let the Pakistan army and Paki police be nearby. An intact Pakistan is in India's interests. No?

That is why i say it is high time to help in turning Taliban and seething islamic masses of Pak male youth against RAPE class by calling for islamic ideals of land for people (especially Ak equipped people), the resulting revolution will help National Bird of Pakistan aka Predator in curbing Polpulation growth at a faster rate. Taliban in control of fragmented pakistan is better for India as pak pieces will stop getting international help and continue fighting each other compared to PaK ARMY which is dedicated 'soley' to trouble India

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 11 Mar 2010 08:50

shiv wrote: So I am interested in land ownership patterns in Pakjab and Sindh. What percentage of people in Pakjab and Sindh own the most land and which individuals are at the top of that list?

Not quite what you want
But: (sept 2009)

About 2 percent of households control more than 45 percent of the land area. Powerful farmers have also taken advantage of government subsidies in water and agriculture, and benefited from technological improvements which have boosted yields, according to the World Bank.

By 1977 the biggest estates had only surrendered about 520,000 hectares, and nearly 285,000 hectares had been redistributed among some 71,000 farmers. Around 3,529 landowners have 513,114 holdings of more than 40.5 hectares in irrigated areas, and 332,273 holdings of more than 40.5 hectares in non-irrigated areas, according to the government's annual Economic Survey.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Mar 2010 08:52

A_Gupta wrote:Shiv,

The Taliban rage at TV might be explained by the fact that TV showing programs from god-forsaken places like Bharat might be undermining the male authority in the house.

Among the first things the Taliban do are to put restrictions on women, burn down or close girls' schools, break television sets and ban TV and movies. Sometimes I wonder whether we are reading too much of global consequence into their actions; maybe they are simply terrified of losing control of their women and children which will inevitably happen if these outside influences are not destroyed.

-Arun

Arun the Taliban are mere puppets of an age old system. Islam itself figured out long ago that societal control starts with control of women and children and that has been applied for centuries. In fact that is being challenged all over the world now - and that can be construed as the real war on Islam. That America and The west in general were key participants in this explains the anger at the great Satan and his lustful ways. But the shocker of shockers is that the dirty kafirs of India too have these lustful ways.

Perhaps what we are seeing is one more of the periodic "re orderings" that occur in the world. The Islamic misogynist system ruled the roost over huge areas and that is now coming under threat, and as you rightly point out it shakes the very roots of the male dominated control systems in islamic societies.

Rich and influential leaders like the Saudis have used their money to 'compartmentalise" their society into "islamic" and "non islamic" and have the best of both worlds. Islamic society in India long ago adjusted itself to the relatively more free and liberated female being in India, and that "well adjusted" Islamic society now forms the RAPE of Pakistan. the tribals however see their lifestyles being threatened. It is one thing if Pakistan TV could feed TV sets with unadulterated piety. But Pakistan itself is effete and has allowed its own airwaves to be conquered by kafir TV. Pakis don't see much of a threat from that, but the tribals need to break TV sets.

Either way the Talibanic tribals have a threat from Pakistan itself which will need to be a lot more pious. So either the RAPE have to shape up and become Islamic or they have to appear like liberal Hindustanis - which is not justifiable in strict islam. So I believe both wiil have to go up shit creek with this anachronistic way of treating wimmens.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 11 Mar 2010 08:56

India urged to fulfill water agreements

Terming the Indus Waters Treaty an unhappy marriage between Pakistan and India

Marriage? I thought the pakis expected India to behave like a benevolent older brother! Also, if the pakis expect India to fulfill its water agreements, does that mean India can actually extract more river water than what she is currently doing because the IWT allows more?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Mar 2010 08:59

Bheem wrote:
That is why i say it is high time to help in turning Taliban and seething islamic masses of Pak male youth against RAPE class by calling for islamic ideals of land for people (especially Ak equipped people), the resulting revolution will help National Bird of Pakistan aka Predator in curbing Polpulation growth at a faster rate. Taliban in control of fragmented pakistan is better for India as pak pieces will stop getting international help and continue fighting each other compared to PaK ARMY which is dedicated 'soley' to trouble India

Absolutely! Abs-olootely!

You know, if Pakistan is officially broken up into 2-3 fragments - Pakjab will have no trouble in controlling the weaker fragments by sheer mililtary force and they will concentrate on India. Since they are fighting a different nation they will do what they like even as they prostitute themselves to the two fatwallet customers looking for an Indian Ocean port- USA and China. But when Pakistan remains intact - the Paki army has to keep its own people in control and that is good for us.

More Islamic piety is required. The dirty kafirs are trying to restrict the glory of God by talking of "birth control". Never! Pakistan needs more people to do jihad! In an older generation women used to have 12 or 13 children. What is the matter with Pakistani women? Only 6 children? What the fruk? Are Paki men not strong enough to impregnate their wimmens?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Mar 2010 09:00

A_Gupta wrote:
shiv wrote: So I am interested in land ownership patterns in Pakjab and Sindh. What percentage of people in Pakjab and Sindh own the most land and which individuals are at the top of that list?
Not quite what you want
But: (sept 2009)
About 2 percent of households control more than 45 percent of the land area. Powerful farmers have also taken advantage of government subsidies in water and agriculture, and benefited from technological improvements which have boosted yields, according to the World Bank.

By 1977 the biggest estates had only surrendered about 520,000 hectares, and nearly 285,000 hectares had been redistributed among some 71,000 farmers. Around 3,529 landowners have 513,114 holdings of more than 40.5 hectares in irrigated areas, and 332,273 holdings of more than 40.5 hectares in non-irrigated areas, according to the government's annual Economic Survey.

Thanks anyway.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 11 Mar 2010 09:02

Paki finance ministry

It is estimated that about 38 percent of Pakistan’s irrigated land is water logged....

From elsewhere on the web:

Waterlogging is an effect of canal irrigation; it occurs when the water table rises to within 3 meters of a crop's roots, impeding their ability to absorb oxygen and ultimately compromising crop yields. Many factors contribute to waterlogging. These include inadequate drainage, improper balance in the use of groundwater and surface water, seepage and percolation from unlined channels, overwatering, planting crops not suited to specific soils, and inadequate preparation of land before irrigation. (Source: WRES)

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 11 Mar 2010 09:12

From the Agriculture link on this page:
http://finance.gov.pk/finance_survery_c ... aspx?id=20
Table 2.10
Number and Area of Private Farms, classified by size (2000)

Size of Farm
19% (1.29 million) farms are under 0.5 hectare constituting 2% of the total farm area.
17% (1.10 million) farms are 0.5-1 hectare constituting 4% of the total farm area
22% (1.42 million) farms are 1-2 hectares constituting 10% of the total farm area
15% (0.97 million) farms are 2-3 hectares constituting 11% of the total farm area
13% (0.89 million) farms are 3-5 hectares constituting 17% of the total farm area
9% (0.58 million) farms are 5-10 hectares constituting 19% of the total farm area
4% (0.26 million) farms are 10-20 hectares constituting 16% of the total farm area
1% (0.10 million) farms are 20-60 hectares constituting 13% of the total farm area
*% (0.01 million) farms are 60+ hectares constituting 8% of the total farm area.

PS: similar data for India to set a baseline:
http://www.empowerpoor.org/backgrounder.asp?report=162

Landholding distribution too has become skewed. According to government data compiled from sources such as the All India Report on Agriculture Census 1991-2000, in 1995-96:

* 1.2% of landholdings in the country accounted for 14.8% of the total operational holdings with large holdings of 10 hectares and above (average holding: 17.21 hectares).
* 6.1% of holdings accounted for 25.3% of the total operational holdings with medium holdings of 4 to 10 hectares (average holding: 5.8 hectares).
* 12.3% of holdings accounted for 23.8% of the total operational holdings with semi-medium holdings of 2 to 4 hectares (average holding: 2.73 hectares).
* 18.7% of holdings accounted for 19.8% of the total operational holdings with holdings of 1 to 2 hectares (average holding: 1.42 hectares).

As many as 61.2% of holdings accounted for only 17.2% of the total operational holdings. On average, the size of these marginal holdings was 0.4 hectares.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 11 Mar 2010 09:34

Maulana Abdul Ghafoor, the Amir of Jamaat-e-Ahl e sunnat has been bumped off in Krachi.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Mar 2010 09:37

A_Gupta wrote:From the Agriculture link on this page:
http://finance.gov.pk/finance_survery_c ... aspx?id=20
Table 2.10
Number and Area of Private Farms, classified by size (2000)

Size of Farm
13% (0.89 million) farms are 3-5 hectares constituting 17% of the total farm area
9% (0.58 million) farms are 5-10 hectares constituting 19% of the total farm area
4% (0.26 million) farms are 10-20 hectares constituting 16% of the total farm area
1% (0.10 million) farms are 20-60 hectares constituting 13% of the total farm area
*% (0.01 million) farms are 60+ hectares constituting 8% of the total farm area.

Interesting:

Taking 1 hectare=2.5 acres

75% of Paki farms are over 7.5 acres
37% (more than 1/3rd) are over 25 acres

Assume 1.8 million landowners own 1.8 million farms. About 1% of the people own 75% of the land

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 11 Mar 2010 09:44

^^^^
Please note the previous post where you said thanks anyway. A single landowner can have several holdings - which I assume may translate into several farms.