Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 13 Mar 2010 02:49

Oh yes a factoid, 2020 Gujarat will have a GDP about 800,000 crore (200 billion) Pakistan's will be about 300 billion.

I suppose they can console themselves with nostalgia for the 7000 year Pakistani civilisation http://rupeenews.com/2009/02/04/pakista ... t-of-nile/

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 13 Mar 2010 02:49

Rudradev wrote: What's worth noting is that (in places like TSP) the state itself can benefit from organizing soft-terror attacks without much cost. It can frighten its people in order to manipulate them, while running less risk of crossing the threshold of outrage that a high body count brings.

My thoughts too. For TTP, that relishes in notching up body counts, to suddenly change track & resort to scaring people but not killing them, that too in less than a day, after having landed not so insignificant twin blows on the qom in the morning, seems quite unlike them.

A likely answer could be, as you've pointed out, that the subsequent blasts were orchestrated by the TSPA to create an impression of an spiraling out-of-control situation in TSP thereby giving them a reason to take over the governance w/o having its funding tap turned off once they take over.

Would be interesting to see how things pan out over the next couple of days.

A possible indicator could be the news report that TSPA chief receiving an extension who in turn appears to've made many promotions/extension without consulting the civillian govt & yesterday PPP spokesperson announcing that the Gen would be receiving no such ext. Strange I'd think.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 13 Mar 2010 02:51

Gagan wrote:Jahil Hamid's past and present investigated: ....the patient considers himself "a reedemer, a savior, and someone who possess grandiose personality"

That condition describes most of packistanees.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 13 Mar 2010 03:07

i don't think there is too much to be read into the dates... (wiki)

e.g. other battles of potential negative significance to the islamist cause (like lifting the siege of Vienna) are...

Charles the Hammer Martel - leads the Frankish knights against the Moors: The Battle of Tours (October 10, 732),[5] also called the Battle of Poitiers and in Arabic: معركة بلاط الشهداء‎ (ma‘arakat Balâṭ ash-Shuhadâ) Battle of Court of the Martyrs[6],

Sack of Baghdad by Hulegu Khan: On February 10, Baghdad surrendered. The Mongols swept into the city on February 13 and began a week of massacre and destruction.

The Battle of Lepanto (Greek: Ναύπακτος, Naupaktos, pron. Náfpaktos; colloquial Greek: Έπαχτος, Épahtos; Italian: Battaglia di Lepanto; Turkish: İnebahtı) took place on 7 October 1571 when a galley fleet of the Holy League, a coalition of Spain (including its territories of Naples, Sicily and Sardinia), the Republic of Venice, the Papacy (under Pope St. Pius V), the Republic of Genoa, the Duchy of Savoy, the Knights Hospitaller and others, decisively defeated the main fleet of Ottoman war galleys.

Crusaders breach the walls of Jerusalem: 15 July 1099, 10,000 faithful are slaughtered at the Temple Mount and Al-Aqsa

to be honest, given the martial history of the muslim peoples, practically every day has some military significance!

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 13 Mar 2010 03:25

Lalmullah, I agree. Predicting the likelihood of a terrorist strike based on "so and so happened on this day in Islamic history" is futile.

However, the Jihadis may see psychological benefits to scheduling attacks on dates that appear connected as monthly or yearly anniversaries of previous attacks in the recent past. Especially because, since "9/11" the entire world media (and colloquially, the general public) has started referring to attacks by the date alone as a kind of iconic short-hand... "7/7, 3/11, 7/11, 7/26, 11/26" and so on.

This has all the makings of a fear psychosis based on widely subscribed prophecies which the jihadis are happy to fulfill... making them still more widely subscribed as a result. It makes even more sense in a situation where jihad is practiced by logistically separated, independently operating and organizationally disparate cells with no functional connection to each other. A cell in Jakarta and one in Madrid may have no traceable connection except the ideological one... so choosing one of these resonant dates/anniversaries to carry out an attack is one of the only ways they have of signaling their relationship to the greater cause of global jihad.

Joseph · Post by **Joseph** » 13 Mar 2010 03:28

Pranav wrote:
shiv wrote: These states don't just collapse or break up. Such catastrophic events will only create two or more sates - some of which may actually do well and survive (remember Bangladesh?). Why aid such an outcome.
Why not aid such an outcome? What's wrong with Balochistan, Sindh and Paktunkhwa emerging as stable and relatively prosperous countries.

Let Pakistan be in chronic turmoil, searching for Allah. What happens after that - I don't know and don't care as long as India ends up being an economic/military power that the US and China have to reckon with -rather than a power that can be held in check by fighting periodic wars with an angry two bit jihadi condom state.

JMT
As long as TSP is united, it will look for an identity. There is no legitimate identity to be found. Only mindless hatred of India. Better to let legitimate ethnic nations emerge, instead of letting the Pakjabis fatten up on looted resources. Eventually Pakjabi Abduls need to throw the RAPEs out, redistribute the land, make Punjabi their national language, and learn to dance Bhangra.

Ultimately, for peace one needs legitimate ethnic identities to prevail over illegitimate jihadist identities, and also social justice.

Pranav,

India should stand aside until things have gotten so bad in the fragmentation process that the PA - Pakjabis will definitely be seen as the problem and the old trick of casting blame at India no longer unites them.

Even though it is horrific to consider, better to stand aside until there is no doubt for anyone (except the PA & Pakjabis) in the world that the PA & Pakjabis are the problem in Pakistan and that fragmentation is best for all.

It might take at least the equivalent of what occurred in East Pakistan - Bangladesh four decades ago for that tipping point to be reach. It might take even worse than that for the tipping point to be reached.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Mar 2010 03:59

"Aaj Kamran Khan Ke Saath" on Geo TV:

The story line is:

1. Intelligence agencies had warned Punjab government of impending attacks. Punjab government did not take it seriously enough.

2. Attackers may be Pakistani in origin, but are financed and armed by Bharat.

3. Weapons and explosives are being smuggled into Pakistan both across the Punjab border with India as well as from Afghanistan.

4. Suicide vests cost 5-6 lakhs each, financed by Bharat.

5. Suicide vests seized by the intelligence agencies show explosives or chemicals that in this region are available only from India.

6. The timing of the attacks - Friday, during prayers, and the unconcern for children, women, innocent lives shows that Bharat is involved, and that Bharat is choosing the target and time.

7. The motive of the attacks is to spoil the reputation of the Pakistani army and security forces. After at Brussels, the world praised Pakistani forces for their successes in Swat and Waziristan, Bharat was bothered by this and decided to make the world have reduced confidence in the Pakistani army. That explains why the blasts are occurring at this time.

8. The terrorists may be Pakistani in name but they are following Bharat's agenda.

Kamboja · Post by **Kamboja** » 13 Mar 2010 04:01

I don't think it's enough merely to wait for things to deteriorate (as they will) in P'stan. While the PA and Punjabi elite shoot themselves in the foot and inevitably cause their own downfall (assuming they continue on their current and historic course), there is no guarantee that the resulting dispensation that emerges from the chaos will be India-friendly or at least less hostile to India than Pakistan was.

To that end, we need to encourage the emergence of a relatively moderate political faction within Pakistan - perhaps from the business classes, who have the most to gain from peaceful relations and trade with India? - and do all we can to ensure that they have a strong voice in the post-P'stan political setup.

Otherwise we risk replacing one hostile entity with many smaller others. The goal should not be merely the removal of P'stan as it exists today, but to attain a future set of neighbors to the West that we can live with, perhaps in time even draw close to.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Mar 2010 04:02

Upto 9.
Yawn : Seven blasts follow after Lahore twin suicide attacks

They unleashed the dogs of hell, thinking that they would only bite kaffirs.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 13 Mar 2010 04:26

sanjaykumar wrote:That is an interesting youtube of Hammad Zaid (hehe), more so for the rapt attention and conspiratorial laughs of the college audience, at India's expense.

Yaar What kind of people these are? A sick person is preaching hate and they are clapping. Why Pakistanis don't use their energy is creating things. Every video on YouTube regarding Pakistan is about hate. Hate for America, India, their leaders, and their own people. Hillary said it right Pakistan is International migraine.

Our history begins in Arabia - the glories of Turkey Uthamnia, the courage of Afghans and the diplomacy and splendour of Mughals.

This is our history AND we are the legacy and the children of these Ghazi.. we are builders, masters and leaders of Hind - it is your destiny.

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Rasool Allah (SAW) made the distinction that this new Ummah that will rise in KHORASAN will be like the Ummah Rasool Allah (SAW) led. Meaning we will be simple, miskeen people not seeking glory but seeking liberty and security of our belief and honour.
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Pakistan was never "part" of a Hindu sub continent. However the opposite was for Hindus they were reliant and under the control of Muslims. HIndu Extremist created a false history of Akhand Bharat based around over glorified - unverified heores like Ashoka and chndra Guptas. The only UNIFIED INDIA was Mughalistan. entire India had never been UNIFIED and existed as separate princely states other than the Muslim state of Mughalistan CONNECTED to the wider KHORASAN.
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This army will split in 2..one will ride to Syria and seek to destroy Dajjal (imposter) in Bayt Al Muqqadis and one will destroy Hind. remember Khorasan is a different region to the in the region. HInd is "beyond" the indus valley... We will recerate Mughalistan and link it to Khorasan, an a new Khilafah that will link to Iran / Arab / turquie and this will become one block liberating Jerusalem.
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We Pakistanis do love the land of India but those whoa re your rulers and their foreign policy and aggression as well as your religous extremist leaders must stop inciting hatred towards us and inciting ordinary hindus to terrorise our brothers and sisters & Kashmir is central to stability..if you seek dialogue on this THEN DESIST a brutal occupation..

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 13 Mar 2010 05:14

MUST WATCH ! Najam Sethi holds forth on ISI-Pasha's extension:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYo1k1nO9h4 Local politics of punjab Useless. Watch part 2 onwards
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCMzsc7azjc. History of all ISI chief's dismissal - Inside story.
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75xAx5nWCjw
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqXJBcQdD84

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Mar 2010 06:03

Kamboja wrote:
To that end, we need to encourage the emergence of a relatively moderate political faction within Pakistan - perhaps from the business classes, who have the most to gain from peaceful relations and trade with India? - and do all we can to ensure that they have a strong voice in the post-P'stan political setup.

Here is a rhetorical question - but not one aimed at somehow "checkmating" you and shutting you up.

You say: "we need to encourage the emergence of a relatively moderate political faction within Pakistan "

May I ask What is moderation? In what way would an ideal "moderate political faction" in Pakistan differ from what we have today?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Mar 2010 06:21

A_Gupta wrote:
2. Attackers may be Pakistani in origin, but are financed and armed by Bharat.

Attackers are Indian

Attackers may be Pakistani in origin, but are financed and armed by Bharat.

Attackers may be Pakistani and financed and armed by Pakistan, but done by RAW presence in Pakistan

Attackers may be Pakistani and financed and armed by Pakistan, and the plot hatched entirely within Pakistan but the intent is clearly Indian.

Attackers may be Pakistani and financed and armed by Pakistan, and the plot hatched entirely within Pakistan and the intent may be for one Pakistani group to scare Pakistan, but Bharat is behind all this.

India bad, Pakistan good

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 13 Mar 2010 06:43

Joseph wrote:
Even though it is horrific to consider, better to stand aside until there is no doubt for anyone (except the PA & Pakjabis) in the world that the PA & Pakjabis are the problem in Pakistan and that fragmentation is best for all.

It might take at least the equivalent of what occurred in East Pakistan - Bangladesh four decades ago for that tipping point to be reach. It might take even worse than that for the tipping point to be reached.

Joseph, you seem to suggest that we should stand aside and let the situation in TSP get worse on it's own, until by sheer weight of obviousness everyone in the world recognizes that PA and Pakjabis are the problem, and that fragmentation is best for all. You then bring up Bangladesh, as a benchmark for atrocities arriving at that degree of obviousness where world public opinion may reach a "tipping point" consensus that Pakistan should be fragmented.

Now this begs the question: for whom was the "tipping point" reached, even in the instance of Bangladesh four decades ago?

Not for the West or the US. They didn't care a hoot about the Bangla holocaust and would have preferred to see East Pakistan remain a part of Pakistan. Even dissenters at the level of Archer Blood were silenced in service of the West's "greater" cause.

Not for the Chinese, who for strategic reasons would similarly have loved to see Pakistan remain intact. Ditto, it was no tipping point at all for the Arabs, Israelis, Australians, Europeans, Japanese, Russians, Koreans or sundry other African or Latin American nationalities. Whatever humanitarian sympathies the citizens of these countries might have had, public opinion did not override the calculated interest of these nations in determining policy on the BD situation. It did not even come close.

Even India, when we acted, did not do so out of public opinion on the BD situation, despite the very real and widespread outrage. The bottom line underpinning our decision to go to war was national interest of the coldest kind: IG determined that the cost of dealing with 10 million Bangla refugees, and the possibility of many more, was greater than the cost of a three week war.

Had we waited for world opinion to turn in favour of bisecting Pakistan then, Bangladesh would have turned into a Rwanda type situation that bleeding-heart liberals clucked their tongues about for a few months... only to be swept under the rug when the Arab Israeli war , Vietnam war and other events distracted public attention.

Finally, independence for Bangladesh was achieved because the GoI decided it was in India's interest and took appropriate action. Not because the world had decided that Pakistan was a barbaric terrorist state that needed dividing... in fact both superpowers pressured India not to carry the division any further than the liberation of Bangladesh.

And when (or if) Pakistan itself is to be fragmented, it will happen for the same reason. We will have to do what's in our interest regardless of world opinion.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 13 Mar 2010 07:00

Dates are indeed important and should not be dismissed from a cursory knowledge of English Calendar dates of historical events. The major terror attacks appear to have a date component. But we are dismissive about it because we usually are not aware of the Islamic calendar and what is important from their viewpoint.

Typically it is more a message for internal dissemination - a message to the Momeen, because only the Muslim steeped in the Hadiths and contexts of the Sira and Sunnah, would interpret the message properly. In this the Islamic/Arabic months and corresponding dates are important - not the English or west European calendar.

The Islamic lunar calendar shifts from year to year in terms of dates compared to the solar western Calendar, and this also adds to the confusion.

The Mumbai Taj and Chabad Hse attack fell on a significant Islamic date that year - the hsitroical commemmoration of a notorious attack in early Islamic history, where a certain Jewish settlement was specifically targeted directly under the "prophet" as a surprise attack after defeat and running away from the battle of the "Trench". The details leaking out of the attacks are uncannily similar in their basic massacre techniques and attitudes and treatment of women during the attack and after their "capture".

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Mar 2010 07:05

Why does the Pakistani army feel its reputation is being sullied if there are blasts in Lahore? I mean after all India is THE enemy, and why would any Pakistani feel that the army is at fault? Or is there a constituency that feels the army is at fault.

Fancy that!

The post-1947 set up in West Pakistan found that the place was full of two types of "leadership material"-

1) The existing landed elite in Punjab and Sindh who lacked education
2) The educated elite mohajirs who ended up forming Pakistan bureaucracy and government.

"Democracy" and the ability bestowed by democracy on mango Abduls to bring down a government was the last thing that these elites desired. After all they had only just escaped (by the foreskin of their teeth) the possibility that rulers would be brought down by kafirs in India - and now, the thought of the ruling class being brought down by Abduls, even if they were Islamic was frightening. Allah, after all had already ordained who should rule and who should be ruled.

And that set the stage for democracy to be truncated in Pakistan. With Liaqat Ali Khan "inviting" the army to rule Pakistan, the Pakistan model was "You are the army. We are willing to share power with you. But power stays with you and us. Not Abduls". I believe this much is recorded history. And from then on the army brass joined "the establishment" and became part of the ruling elite.

When you have a "nation" of a few thousand elites ruling over hundreds of millions of Abduls one can expect that at least a few Abduls will escape the genetic brain-fog of cousin marriage and ask "How come he has so much and I have nothing?". How to keep this in check?

1) Rule 1 - don't piss off the Abdul more than required. Feed the Abdul's sense of importance. Abdul is Muslim no? Pakistan is Islamic no? New country set up in the name of Islam and all no? So let Islam be the way of life for the Abdul. Pakistan shall be an "islamic state" rather than some stupid vision annunciated by a scrofulous Jinnah. Keep the Islam pot boiling. Allah said blah blah blah - so you too must not rebel. Allah has already decided who will be rich and who will be poor, but all his followers will be rich in Jannat. All this was fine when you had 100 million complete jackasses for a population.

But If there is trouble, poverty, hunger, want and the wealthy elite have no intention of sharing with stupid Abduls whose brains are benumbed by tales of what Allah will do later on, how to keep them quiet?

2) Rule 2: The "external threat" - INDIAAAAA!! Bharat! Kafiristan! Gay Hind! Cow piss drinkers, Idolators, Caste ridden dhoti clad dark skinned ugly cowards who are trying to destroy islam.

So from 1947 there is a long list of things that India has done to Pakistan

1947 - Kashmir occupied by India. Kashmiri Muslims getting raped by dirty kafirs every day from 1947 to 2010
1965 India tried to attack and destroy Pakistan. The valor of the Pakistani army saved Pakistan
1971 India, using American and Russian help entered a minor family argument and tore off a part of Pakistan
1974 India exploded a nuclear bomb to kill Muslims
1980s - India tried to kill all Sikhs while continuing to kill Kashmiris
1992 - Babri Masjid and all masjids in India were destroyed
1993 - All Muslims of Mumbai were raped and killed
1999 - India attacked Pakistan but was saved by America and the treason of Nawaz Sharif
2002 - All Muslims of Gujrat killed
2002 India tried to attack Pakistan because it was embroiled in a civil war (Parliament attack) but the cowardly India army was too scared.
.. and so on

If Pakistani Abduls are poor and suffering it is because India is always trying to destroy Pakistan. Why does Pakistan exist today even though India and the Zionists are trying to destroy Pakistan? Inshallah it is the Pakistan Army that is protecting Pakistan. So we find that India which has been too cowardly to attack Pakistan directly after 1971 is now conducting covert attacks.

The India bogey and the"Hindu" bogey is the most useful tool that the Paki RAPE and army have to make their Abduls believe that India is the source of Pakistan's problems. The funny part is when Pakistan blames Hindus, and Hindus take offence - it adds to the joy of the RAPE and the Pakarmy because the angry words of Indian Hindus is "proof" that Hindus are out to destroy Islam and Pakistan.

When Indiaa and Hindutva do not respond to Pakistani aggravation - the Abduls realise that something is amiss. The RAPE and army are crying India India India. Hindu Hindu Hindu - but neither India nor Hindus are around to cause problems. And if they were why does our heroic victorious army not attack India with our nuclear bums and be done with it? Even the stupidity of Abduls has its limits and they are beginning to wise up. That is what we are seeing now. And the Paki army is squealing "Oink Oink Oinnk! It's india!"

Fidel Guevara · Post by **Fidel Guevara** » 13 Mar 2010 07:11

I would normally never post verbatim from deaf-n-dumb, but in this case one bright abdul has gone through this very thread and picked up the "worst-of-the-worst" posts about the IED Mubarak in LaWhore. Kudos to the authors, and for those who were not nominated for this very singular award, here are some works of art to model your next comment.

And now, Ladies and Gentlemen, (drum roll flourish) in no specific order, here are the gems that make the Bakis burn:

The clowns are celebrating the launch party of IPL 3. Lahori gandus are busy watching the IPL spectacle, hence the runs scored are less.

I thought LaWhore Badshahs were part of the ICL

People settling personal scores by indulging in IED mubarak:
Quetta home bombed, injuring four persons

Don't associate the hindu festival diwali with the land of the ######. Paklurks might get upset and start to embrace jihad, if they already are not

More blasts happening as we speak.

Possible 7th blast heard in lahore.

Are they celebrating Diwali there?

I am saying we are able to get 10 wicket today & possibly extra player will bat. This is all to celebrate IPL3

I am looking at the wall messages mentioning Lahore. Not one is blaming the terrorists. And most of the message are - Allah have mercy on us! & ALLAH hum sab ki hifazar farmaye AAMEEN

I wonder how soon CIA / Mossad / RAW get blamed for this one.

Lad ke liya Pakistan... ab khud se lad rahe hain. Ladte raho, ladte raho... till last man/woman/child standing... Jinnah's curse.

Trivia - Lahore SSP: "We've found heads of both suicide bombers,aged 17 - 20 years." Mullahs: Bombers currently frolicking with houris.

Waiting for news reports and analysis by gurus.Great to see fireworks in Lawhore.

How soon we reach to 10 wicket? I wish extra player is able to bat today.

Guys more good news on this auspicious Friday. Fourth IED mubarak in LaWhore today.
This time it is moon market in LaWhore.

Burn TSI Burn.

Its a teen tigada kaam bigada in Lahole today

Err,
Should I post the google earth pics of the twin blasts of today and the one 2 - 3 days back of Lahore? Anyone interested?

Please do, Gagan bhai. Jai ho.

Hmmm or are we seeing IPL security in action 'preemptively'. The seven Pakistanis who shuffled off this mortal coil in Afghanistan certainly had Indian help. Perhaps Lahore is Indian IPL security.

As IPL-3 begins in India, man, there have been a few vintage Adam Gilchrist type straight sixers in LaWhore. Good job by the "freedom fighters". I hope India gives them moral and diplomatic support. But on a serious note, Indian security apparatus better be on hair-trigger alert. TSI will be itching to do an equal equal especially with IPL-3 underway and TSI's H&D in the toilet.

t's FRIDAY. Twin IED Mubaraak.

Yeah, boys, it's ILwIIR* time!!

IED mubaraks have started again after a brief interlude of a couple of months.

Looks like the 'dehshatgard' types have finally understood what BRF has known all along. To hurt Pakistan you have to hit Punjab and/or the PA only. Nothing else matters or counts.

AoA...The faithfuls do not disappoint on Fridays.

Half Century.

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Twin blasts kill 50 in Lahore cantt area

LAHORE: Twin blasts at bus stop of AR Bazaar in cantonment area of Lahore killed at least 50 people whereas more than 120 have been injured, informed sources in Rescue department.

Guys...we are in the end game. A recent report of 3000 soosai players sneaked into Pakistan and ready for deployment is critical. If true, everyone there has reason to be scared $hitless. Things are going to move very fast from here on (at least I hope).

We need to put some pressure on Pakistan to carve out a green zone *within Pakistan* for pakis to move in. That will put a soft (or should I say green) pressure on ##Pakistani## army from the locals.

Lahore and Pindi / Islamabad are the heart of Pakistan. All terrorist loving - India hating RAPE live here.

The cannon fodder terrorists come mostly form the smaller towns and cities and villages adjoining these two centers, and from the poverty stricken South Punjab.

Aha . . . Pakistan, Friday afternoon prayers, the More Faithful attacking the Less Faithful . . . there can be no better combination. AoA

Why there isnt any blast outside LMU yet ? ,we have already requested great baki mullahs via benis

Someone is really having a great time lobbing grenades all over the town.

Yawn news reporting that:
1. Some vehicle is going around the town of lahole dropping crackers.
2. Some wise guy is phoning the police to make false claims of a bomb blast in different parts of the city.

Pakis have started their own PPL with bang in Lahore. LaWhore Jihadees have made half century so far in 5 overs although first 2 overs were the big scoring !! Awiating centutry from LaWhore Jihadees to make century.
Also, good chance to show Peshwaree But-Shikanis to retialitate with a bang in next match. Let there be big scoring PPL matches...I must agree IPL is not having as much charm as PPL

Gagan,nikhil, Its a protest against PCB

cunning yindu banias are reporting lahore blasts as "low intensity"...forget it these are minor.

Bhai Sahab, Diwali nahi Diwala hai yeh , Pakistaniat ke nikalne ki hai. Lets hope no innocent suffer in the blast by bad NSA or Miscreants. Allah is mad at them and there is nothing which ##Pakistani## cant cure with more pristine Islam.

Mubarak ho sub ko samah yeh su"ar"hana
Mai kush hoon dekh IED Jashan E purana
Nazara, Najariye ##Pakistani##, kare YYY ka Bahana
O Pak, Pakhana, Pakhana, Paaaaakhana .

As a mere Trainee, I am so honoured to receive this wonderful recognition, and I would like to thank the Academy, my producer, the studio, and ... sorry, wait, that was my Oscar winning speech...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Mar 2010 07:34

Fidel Guevara wrote:
As a mere Trainee, I am so honoured to receive this wonderful recognition, and I would like to thank the Academy, my producer, the studio, and ... sorry, wait, that was my Oscar winning speech...

Please. This forum and its members do not get any more recognition if their posts are cross posted on a Paki forum and then you take those same posts that are right here on this thread and post them right back here and act as if you have received a Hila-le-Pakhanastan.

I think we ought to be spared of this. Thanks in anticipation.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 13 Mar 2010 07:38

Massive PAF exercises this month

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -month-330

Pakistan Air Force will hold its biggest exercises in the third week of this month. The exercises will cover the entire country, from Skardu in the north to Arabian Sea in the south.

Sources told Dawn on Friday that High Mark 2010 would be different from all previous exercises because it would also feature operations involving army and navy personnel.

The recently inducted squadron of JF-17 Thunder aircraft and all other fighter jets will participate in the war games.

The sources said all new inductions, including the Swedish Airborne Early Warning and Control planes and mid-air refueller aircraft, would take part in the High Mark-2010 which was expected to continue for about 45 days.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 13 Mar 2010 07:40

American critics of LeT train guns on Pakistan

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... kistan-330

It was a field day for Pakistan bashers at the US House Subcommittee on the Middle East and South Asia where speaker after speaker blamed Islamabad for allegedly continuing to support Lashkar-e-Taiba.

“There is, in fact, no reason to doubt that Pakistan’s military is likely paying compensation to the families of the terrorists killed in the Mumbai attacks,” said the panel’s chairman, Gary Ackerman. “These are our allies in the war on terror,” he bemoaned.

It’s no surprise coming from a lawmaker who heads the Indian caucus on Capitol Hill and has received India’s third highest civilian award, the Padma Bhushan.

However, even a Pakistani-American expert, Shuja Nawaz, was forced to acknowledge that the LeT was “a Frankenstein’s monster”, which assumed a broader regional role.

Mr Nawaz, who is the director of South Asia Centre at the Atlantic Council of the US, warned that “another Mumbai-type attack involving the LeT might bring India and Pakistan into conflict, a prospect that should keep us awake at night.”

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 13 Mar 2010 07:45

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=27762

The official said a suicide jacket costs from Rs 0.5 million to Rs 0.7 million and all the material, particularly explosives, used in these jackets was of Indian origin. He said the Indian explosive material was beingsupplied to terrorists in the tribal areas from Afghanistan after transporting it through Pakistan via southern Punjab and Balochistan.

Fidel Guevara · Post by **Fidel Guevara** » 13 Mar 2010 07:46

Note to Paklurks :

Indians did not have this hatred towards Pakistan, until Pakistan started messing with India, first by supporting Khalistani terrorists, and then by supporting and nurturing the terror in Kashmir.

Realize this : India is much more powerful than you, and you will NEVER get Kashmir, and you will never again rule over India.

The sooner you accept this fact, the sooner you can come to the negotiating table with no pre-conditions.

You say, "India is not interested in negotiating because India does not want to talk about Kashmir". This seems to make sense to your paki brains. The rest of the world laughs at this. YES, India will NOT talk about Kashmir as this is an indivisible part of India. So if you want to talk, realize that talk means "Talk about anything other than Kashmir". The moment you open your uneducated jihadi mouths about Kashmir, that round of talks is headed to the toilet.

Our leaders are democratically elected, and their primary goal is to win the next election. No political leader or party who gives away Kashmir will ever win any other election for the next 50 years. Realize this, paklurks. The wheels of a democratic country grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly fine, because the mandate of the people is behind the government.

Fidel Guevara · Post by **Fidel Guevara** » 13 Mar 2010 07:49

I think we ought to be spared of this. Thanks in anticipation.

Won't happen again...apologies!

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 13 Mar 2010 07:53

Letter

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=228735

The appointment of Shahid Afridi as ambassador on environment by the federal minister for environment is a joke with the nation. Does the environment minister not know what happened in Australia last month? Even the five consecutive defeats at the hands of Aussies were less shameful than the ball-tempering act by Shahid Afridi. Instead of reprimanding him the government is rewarding Mr Afridi.

Iftikhar Hussain

Islamabad

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 13 Mar 2010 07:55

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=228624

Shahid Malik, Pakistan High Commissioner to India on Friday hoped for normalization of bilateral relations between Pakistan and India so that the great potential of bilateral trade available between the two countries could be explored.

He said this while welcoming a 10-member delegation of women entrepreneurs from Pakistan which visited the Pakistan High Commission here.

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Despite a strong desire, the delegates could not pay a visit to Ajmer Sharif and Agra as their visa had restricted their movement to Delhi only.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 13 Mar 2010 07:59

abhishek_sharma wrote:
The sources said all new inductions, including the Swedish Airborne Early Warning and Control planes and mid-air refueller aircraft, would take part in the High Mark-2010 which was expected to continue for about 45 days.

Well well that matches with the IPL duration.
A 45 days exercise covering the whole country

I just wonder if something is up .... Just my dirty mind maybe

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 13 Mar 2010 08:00

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=228741

Another innovation which has been added to VIP culture is in the form of a vehicle leading the VIP motorcade, warning motorists to clear the way for speedy movement. The Punjab chief minister’s senior advisor, Zulfiqar Khosa, moves in this fashion. The other day the Sardar from Dera Ghazi Khan scolded a journalist for addressing him as “sahib” rather than as “sardar.”

arun · Post by **arun** » 13 Mar 2010 08:00

Hiten wrote:

Karachi police files Ulemas’ killing case against renowned analyst Zaid Hamid

http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=159908

Karachi Police has filed Ulemas’ killing case against notable] analyst Zaid Hamid and also issued identity sketch of culprits, accomplice in firing on Maulana Saeed Ahmed Jalal Puri and his son....

filed case against notable analyst Zaid Hamid, as he used to issue threats against deceased Maulana over mobile phone.

Hmmm ............

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Mar 2010 08:13

Putin's advice while addressing Indian businessmen

Mr. Putin also advised a section of Indian business and strategic community to be “realistic'' in its attitude towards Pakistan and take into consideration the action taken by Islamabad against some militant organisations operating along its border with Afghanistan.

Indian diplomacy has singularly failed to convince the Russians about the deception in Pakistani actions.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 13 Mar 2010 08:14

Kerry and Lugar take sides in Holbrooke aid fight

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... _aid_fight

A running dispute between Richard Holbrooke, the Obama administrion's designated point man on Afghanistan and Pakistan, and some in the development community over the dispersal of U.S. aid money in Pakistan has a new player: Congress.

Last week, Senate Foreign Relations chiefs John Kerry, D-MA, and Richard Lugar, R-IN, sent a letter to both Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and USAID Administrator Rajiv Shah, calling into question whether the administration is using congressionally authorized aid money "in a manner that most effectively improve[s] the daily lives of the people of Pakistan."

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The senators' letter echoes many of the points made in a dissent memo published in October by USA Today from a USAID official to State's Policy Planning chief Anne-Marie Slaughter, criticizing Holbrooke for wanting to approve (and often disapprove) every USAID contract involving Pakistan.

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Lugar and Kerry's letter also calls on Clinton and Shah to slow down the transition of funds away from USAID to Pakistani organizations, a policy Holbrooke has been pushing on the grounds that this could help them build capacity faster and avoid the perceived waste associated with sending funds through U.S. organizations and contractors.

"This is a very delicate balance, and some people have expressed concerns about this, but we have a very clear image of speeding up the flow of American taxpayer dollars to the people and the governments of the two countries," Holbrooke said in October, referring to Afghanistan and Pakistan. "So if it's a government contract, we want to speed it up."

Some Western development workers counter that Pakistani organizations can't handle that much cash right now, that there's no way to oversee the Pakistani groups, that Western groups have infrastructure in Pakistan that should be utilized, and that their expertise on how to spend development money trumps Holbrooke's.

"Holbrooke wants to be able to control every single dollar that goes through for Afghanistan and Pakistan.... You can't do it when you're talking about billions of dollars," one development leader in Washington said. "When you think about the amount of money you're shoving at Pakistan... it's not throwing money at the problem, it's shoveling it out the door."

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abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 13 Mar 2010 08:16

SSridhar wrote: Indian diplomacy has singularly failed to convince the Russians about the deception in Pakistani actions.

I think Russians are pissed because we are getting closer to Americans. When President Patil visited Russia, they asked the Indian delegation if "if it was virtually sitting in America's lap."

In a way, they are correct. We are listening to American demands too much.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Mar 2010 08:18

Fidel Guevara wrote:Note to Paklurks :

Indians did not have this hatred towards Pakistan, until Pakistan started messing with India, first by supporting Khalistani terrorists, and then by supporting and nurturing the terror in Kashmir..

You know Fidel - it's no use talking to Pakis. Those who represent the wealthy Paki elites may feel great nationalism and love towards Pakistan, but when it comes to thinking " My family owns 200 acres of land. 5 acres is enough, I will donate 195 acres to the resident people next Ramzan" is not a thought that will occur to Pakis. Besides - even if it does - the neighboring landowner will instantly grab the land from the Abdul who gets free land because the legal system in Pakistan does not support land reform.

The rich Pakis who you see writing articles often live abroad and own property both in and outside Pakistan - maybe in the UK, mainland Europe or the US. Many of the people on def and dumb forum belong in this class. They are the "nationalists", the "strategists" who are able to reel off India's teeming problems any moment.

What you never get to see of Pakistan is 90% of the population - the Abduls, non English speaking and non land owning - who are now proliferating like rabbits.

the Paki elite tell these Abduls that India is at fault. So whether India does anything or not India wil be blamed - or else these Abduls will take it out on army and RAPE. So there i absolutely no use "explaining" to Paklurks what you have tried to explain. Many years ago a forum stalwart had started allowing the odd Paki here in what I used to call track-pee diplomacy. It is of no use. Blaming India is required for RAPE and army to survive. No need to talk to them. if they suffer - enjoy and celebrate without feeling any guilt or any need to explain. You are not at fault. India is not at fault. Pakis need to figure out what the problem is - and if they don't - they will screw themselves, India or no India

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 13 Mar 2010 08:20

Karzai turns down Pak offer to train Afghan Army

Islamabad: Afghan President Hamid Karzai has virtually turned down Pakistan’s offer to train the Afghan National Army, promising to keep Islamabad in the loop about his government’s plans to engage the Taliban as part of reconciliation and reintegration efforts. “As far as the training of Afghan soldiers and officers is concerned, my Defence Minister will study and we will come back on this,” Karzai said during an interaction with journalists. The News daily reported that Karzai’s comments amounted to “not less than a polite no”.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 13 Mar 2010 08:27

Putin is pissed, and he is rubbing it in. He knows we will get his sarcasm.

MMS should have maintained more balance, unfortunately the ship on his watch is NOT on an even keel. India will now find Russia ambivalent, and unwilling to unquestionably willing to stick its neck out for us.

India is still unsure of how much India can trust the current US administration.

Not a very comfortable situation to be in diplomatically, but ho hum life moves on...

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 13 Mar 2010 08:47

Realize this : India is much more powerful than you, and you will NEVER get Kashmir, and you will never again rule over India.

Err I never thought India was ever ruled by the 7000 yr old Pakistani civlisation; in fact the great grandfathers of the glorious ghazis of Pakistan were licking Sikh chappals when the Mughal empire's reach extended to only to the royal outhouses.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 13 Mar 2010 08:52

http://rothkopf.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... _the_czars

Just ask AfPak Czar Richard Holbrooke who has been largely overshadowed by the military's big man in the region, General Stanley McChrystal, and the State Department's other man in Kabul, Ambassador Karl Eikenberry. Some of this may be, according to reports, Holbrooke's own doing, due to rough patches in his relationships with the Afghans, the Pakistanis and some of his colleagues in Washington. (It was probably a miscalculation to try to apply strong-arm tactics with Hamid Karzai that were reminiscent of his very successful tough-guy confrontations with Slobodan Milosevic years ago. The problem being that whereas Milosevic was a bad guy who was going down, an enemy being defeated, Karzai was a bad guy who was our alleged ally, one who strongly believed we needed him more than he needed us.) Holbrooke has also, according to White House sources, not been a great favorite of Obama's. This is particularly bad in an administration in which seeking the favor of the president has taken on an importance that is in fact, much more reminiscent of the historical czars than is the role being played by anyone with this now devalued moniker.

RamaP · Post by **RamaP** » 13 Mar 2010 08:53

So can we summarize that Putin janab has simply said what the Americans have been saying in the past like a broken record? i.e. Pakistan must act against terrorism but you Indians need to recognize that Pakistan is actually taking some steps against terrorism. Now we have fallen out of favor with the Russians as well, thanks to MMS's new found love for everything that is Anglo or American in origin. MMS felt that by kowtowing the American line, India would suddenly become the most natural American ally in the region. Instead, we were shown the door in London conference, Obama's obsession with Afghanistan seems to be over, the Americans are willing to see a pro-Pak (closet or in open) Taliban government in Afghanistan, and all our investments in the form of money or personnel seems to be going down the drain. Our government is suddenly looking more like a deer in front of headlights.

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 13 Mar 2010 09:03

RamaP wrote:So can we summarize that Putin janab has simply said what the Americans have been saying in the past like a broken record? i.e. Pakistan must act against terrorism but you Indians need to recognize that Pakistan is actually taking some steps against terrorism. Now we have fallen out of favor with the Russians as well, thanks to MMS's new found love for everything that is Anglo or American in origin. MMS felt that by kowtowing the American line, India would suddenly become the most natural American ally in the region. Instead, we were shown the door in London conference, Obama's obsession with Afghanistan seems to be over, the Americans are willing to see a pro-Pak (closet or in open) Taliban government in Afghanistan, and all our investments in the form of money or personnel seems to be going down the drain. Our government is suddenly looking more like a deer in front of headlights.

IMO, there could not be a better analogy than 'deer in front of headlights'. The MMS policy, intentional or otherwise, seems completely incoherent and lacking direction. We have got absolutely nothing out of it. As the times goes by, it seems we have lost steam and Pakis seems winners here.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Mar 2010 09:37

Mr. Putin also advised a section of Indian business and strategic community to be “realistic'' in its attitude towards Pakistan

Which Indian businessmen have been "realistic" about Pakistan? I have never met a businessman who does not want more business - with Pakistan if necessary. Getting them to be realistic is a good idea no? Please show me news items of businessmen and groups who have been demanding the breaking of business links with Pakistan.

If Putin is pissed with these businessmen he is doing India a favor by giving them good advice. What has that got to do with MMS's kowtowing to the US? Doesn't sound like anger to me. Pity maybe..

RamaP · Post by **RamaP** » 13 Mar 2010 09:41

I think that unless our own house is cleared first, we shouldn't be really thinking (dreaming) of landing decisive blows against TSP. Saboteurs present within the home are doing more damage to India than the barbarians present outside our borders. Our PM MMS talks about going the extra mile in talks with TSP while Pune happens and many more are apparently in pipeline. Our "more-American-than-Americans-themselves" English language media shed tears of blood when Paki players were not included in IPL auctions despite the fact that IPL franchisees are purely private enterprises who have the full right to decide as to whether or not they need to include Paki players in their squad or not.