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Gagan wrote:This list is of Sept 2008, 2 months before the attack.
ISI chief, four corps commanders changed
* Ahmed Shujaa Pasha replaces Nadeem Taj as DG ISI
* Seven major generals promoted to lieutenant general

Taj has been appointed Gujranwala Corps Commander.

Lt Gen Muhammad Yousaf has been appointed Bahawalpur Corps Commander and his predecessor Lt Gen Raza Muhammad has been appointed Joint Staff Director General at the Joint Staff Headquarters.

Lt Gen Shahid Iqbal has replaced Lt Gen Ahsan Azhar Hyat as Karachi Corps Commander, while Hyat has been appointed Inspector General (IG) Training and Evaluation at the General Headquarters (GHQ).

Lt Gen Muhammad Zaki has been appointed IG Arms at GHQ and Lt Gen Javed Zia has been appointed Quarter-Master General at the GHQ.

Lt Gen Mohsin Kamal has been appointed Military Secretary at the GHQ while Lt Gen Tahir Mehmood has been appointed Rawalpindi Corps Commander. Lt Gen Muhammad Zahid has been appointed the Adjutant General at the GHQ.

Lt Gen Muhammad Mustafa has been appointed as Chief of General Staff at the GHQ. Lt Gen Tanvir Tahir has been appointed as IG Communication and IT at GHQ. Lt Gen Ayyaz Salim Rana has been appointed Chairman of the Heavy Industries Taxila in place of Lt Gen Israr Ahmad Ghumman, who will retire in November.

Promoted: Earlier, Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Kayani recommended the promotion of seven major generals of the Pakistan Army to the rank of lieutenant generals.

Those promoted were Major General Tahir Mahmood (Infantry), Major General Shahid Iqbal (Infantry), Major General Tanvir Tahir (EME), Major General Zahid Hussain (Artillery), Major General Ahmad Shuja Pasha (Infantry), Major General Muhammad Mustafa Khan (Armoured Corps) and Major General Ayyaz Saleem Rana (Armoured Corps).

Major General Zahid Hussain was serving as Kakul commandant, Major General Tahir Mehmood as General Officer Commanding Special Services Group (SSG) in Cherat, Major General Shahid Iqbal was at the National Defence University and Major General Ahmad Shujaa Pasha was the Director General Military Operations (DGMO). sajjad malik/staff report
The ISPR website should have all the details. I try not to visit that site, perhaps people familiar with that site might try.

Mumbai 26/11 was probably planned during Nadeem Taj's tenure, but he was shifted out under US pressure before he could see the execution of his pet project. Then Billa-Ranga gave the go ahead for it, once Ranga came to power.
Gagan I agree its not Lt Gen Taj as he is already a Lt Gen. So it must be someone who is a Maj Gen. Looking at the fact those guys were really commando trained it could be the SSG guy.

Aslo the DGMO Pasha becomes head of ISI and now gets extension? So maybe it was him afterall?
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Night watch Comments 3/11/10
Pakistan: A shuffling of general officers was announced by Dawn News today. According to the news service, 29 brigadiers were promoted to major general and at least seven major generals are to be promoted to lieutenant general in the coming weeks.

Among those to be gradually replaced by the incoming officers are Special Plans Division chief Lt. Gen. Khalid Kidwai and Peshawar Corps Commander Lt. Gen. Mohammad Masoud Aslam. Special Plans controls nuclear forces.

Four lieutenant generals are currently on extension, and more extensions are likely in the next few days. Chief of the Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani presided over the 10 March meeting where the decisions were made. Kayani faces mandatory retirement this summer. He has not served long enough to fill the general officer ranks with his own men, as his predecessor, Musharraf, did.

The promotions are cyclical and routine. In the end, efforts to perpetuate policy through the power of promotions seem to fail in Pakistan. Kayani’s successor will be loyal to the Pakistan Army, that is about all that may be trusted. How he interprets that trust may not resemble Kayani’s policies any more than his resembled Musharraf’s, especially his policy of protecting the Afghan Taliban leaders.
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Pakistan Navy test fires missiles in Arabian Sea
The missiles fired included the French-acquired SM 39 surface-to-surface missiles, and the AM 39 air launched version of the same missile.

The naval exercise comes after Pakistan reportedly recently acquired 120 Chinese C802 long-range anti-ship cruise missiles to counter the Indian Navy's BrahMos missiles.
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USA dosen't mind if the aid money goes to the Chinese,Russians, Germans, French,Italians, swedes,Brazilians or back to USA it is all being used for a good purpose to fight terror; and it looks better if many countries are arming Pakistan so it dosen't look like USA is alone arming Pakistan, after all USA still wants to sell 30 year old technology nuclear reactors and 40 year old air framed f-16 to the Indians in the MRCA.
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Sayak wrote:USA dosen't mind if the aid money goes to the Chinese,Russians, Germans, French,Italians, swedes,Brazilians or back to USA it is all being used for a good purpose to fight terror; and it looks better if many countries are arming Pakistan so it dosen't look like USA is alone arming Pakistan, after all USA still wants to sell 30 year old technology nuclear reactors and 40 year old air framed f-16 to the Indians in the MRCA.
I don't think the US gives "money" as in bank "credit" or cash but rather supplies military equipment and upgrades. So they can't really use any of the US aid to buy French or Russian or Chinese equipment.

Also, many countries are NOT arming Pakistan. The main countries arming Pakistan are China, the US and France. The French will sell anything to anybody for cash. They are worse than the Russians in terms of the unscrupulous arms merchant tag. The Swedes have a ban on signing any new contracts with Pakistan but are honoring old contracts before 1997 ( I think ). The Americans sell equipment that is either too old to be only significant advantage in a full scale conflict or equipment that plays a vital role in the Pakistani army operations against terrorists.

American companies are willing to sell but it is the American government that is stopping them for selling many technologies. India needs to work with exsisting defense companies and lobby the US government and especially the State department to loosen export controls to India.
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F-16's ,PC-3,Harpoons are not old, and US has never confirmed if Pakistan has modified so that can be construed as being acceptable with USA, while anything India wants to buy is met with stringent end user agreements, India is not going to lobby for things that USA is giving Pakistan for free.
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Pakistan Navy test fires missiles in Arabian Sea
Video from BBC
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what is the possibility of pak getting gripen NG if india does not choose it?
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they can get it but would they want/afford it ? they will go for j-10/FC-1 in stead.
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Perhaps our Russian ""friends""" won't sell anything to Pakistan in the near future :roll:

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/mar/ ... kistan.htm

Doesn't Pakistan have some heavy lift Mi-choppers from Russia?
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Why the huge plumes of smoke in the BBC video at 0.22?
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Vivs wrote:Why the huge plumes of smoke in the BBC video at 0.22?
Thats when the missile hit the target hence the smoke.
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http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123194009

U.S., Pakistan air forces conduct air refueling information exchange
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Massive PAF exercises this month
SLAMABAD, March 12: Pakistan Air Force will hold its biggest exercises in the third week of this month. The exercises will cover the entire country, from Skardu in the north to Arabian Sea in the south.

Sources told Dawn on Friday that High Mark 2010 would be different from all previous exercises because it would also feature operations involving army and navy personnel.

The recently inducted squadron of JF-17 Thunder aircraft and all other fighter jets will participate in the war games.

The sources said all new inductions, including the Swedish Airborne Early Warning and Control planes and mid-air refueller aircraft, would take part in the High Mark-2010 which was expected to continue for about 45 days. :?:
Forty-Five days??? is it an exercise or a freaking war??? Probably 15 days for army, 15 for navy and 15 for the airforce
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Craig Alpert wrote:.......<SNIP>..The recently inducted squadron of JF-17 Thunder aircraft and all other fighter jets will participate in the war games.....<SNIP>Forty-Five days??? is it an exercise or a freaking war??? Probably 15 days for army, 15 for navy and 15 for the airforce
Such large scale excercises are actually a series of excercises which are conducted across the country with multiple phases. These large scale excercise include sand-model excercises in the initial phase and may culminate in some fire-power demo....in between the actual scenarios and responses would have been played out and tackled.....

Added later: WRT the bolded part..what will that a/c do in an excercise? Last I heard it was yet to receive IOC? Somehow, the H&D has to be maintained.......
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Craig and Rohit, it could be cover to mobilise before a terrorist strike on India.
Egyptians did this in 1973. They mobilised under pretext of exercises and attacked Israel. In this case the TSP might be planning a terrorist attack and are mobilising. They normally cant afford to exercise even a week. Who is paying for the POL? US?
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ramana wrote:Craig and Rohit, it could be cover to mobilise before a terrorist strike on India.
Egyptians did this in 1973. They mobilised under pretext of exercises and attacked Israel. In this case the TSP might be planning a terrorist attack and are mobilising. They normally cant afford to exercise even a week. Who is paying for the POL? US?
ramana garu, what you say is a distinct possibility. But if it is an actual mobilization as cover for a terrorist attack, it means something really-really big is up and they anticipate IAF to hit back; which is obvious because air-power is the most flexible form of retort we have.

But having said that, such a mobilization will also be a dead give away. They'll need to mobilize the weapon systems for the aircrafts and activate the AD Net (just prior to the attack) and keep it up till the geo-political situation reverts to the situation to status quo....all this involves huge amount of efforts and resources to be expended

an air-excercise will be more inward looking as far deployment of assets is concerned. Also, god only knows the exact amount of flying hours involved in the 'excercise'.......as for the PA and PN, the extent and depth of excercise will become clear on assessing the formations in the PA and PN (more so PA) which will be part of this excercise..
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ramana wrote:Craig and Rohit, it could be cover to mobilise before a terrorist strike on India.
Egyptians did this in 1973. They mobilised under pretext of exercises and attacked Israel. In this case the TSP might be planning a terrorist attack and are mobilising. They normally cant afford to exercise even a week. Who is paying for the POL? US?
I doubt it. It says it'll cover the entire country from North to South.. India is to the East of Pakistan so I don't think they are stupid enough to wage a war on India. Even if they were to mobilize for 45 days' I'm sure with the advance notification and Indian Intelligence would be all over it. The IAF would sure like to get in action to test out their brand new AWACS as well, see how far and deep can it see and pick up chatter on their consoles ...
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Some news articles on the High Mark-2010 excercise by PAF:

12th March: http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -month-330

from the above link:
Sources told Dawn on Friday that High Mark 2010 would be different from all previous exercises because it would also feature operations involving army and navy personnel
13th March: http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=228714

Posting in full:
Chief of the Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani along with senior army officers visited the Air Headquarters on Friday, says a press release.

On the arrival, he was received by Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman.

An elaborate briefing was given to the army chief and senior army officers on the operational aspects of the PAF exercise ‘High Mark-2010,’ which would commence shortly and would cover the entire country from Skardu in the north to Arabian Sea in the south.

The exercise will include joint operations with extensive participation from Pakistan army and Pakistan navy that would further enhance the integration and cooperation amongst the three services.
latest:

--http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... rgames-630

--http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... 0-exercise

from above -
Exercise High Mark is PAF’s biggest operational event that is being conducted after a pause of five years. The ever changing geo-political environment in the region demands change in the employment concepts and doctrinal changes in the application of air power with emphasis on joint operations. The Exercise would provide PAF an opportunity to validate the concepts that are vital in the overall defence of the country.
It is important to remember that High-Mark 2010 was planned as of 2009. See the link here: http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... have-begun

from above:
The top military brass was informed that a joint Pak Army-Air Force war game named as Exercise High Mark 2010 would be held next year.
The news items so far are those which have been spread out by the ISPR. The Editorials and other details will emerge in due course of time.
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US transfers Cobra helicopters to Pakistan

Tuesday, March 16, 2010

ISLAMABAD: The United States has delivered a squadron of 14 AH-1 Cobra advanced helicopter gunships to Pakistan, Geo News reported Tuesday.

According to details, the AH1-F Cobra helicopter gunships, equipped for night flying, has been supplied by the US from its Jordan Air Base stock.

The helicopters were handed over to Pakistan Army Aviation.
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Pak Seeks US Assistance in Nuclear, Drone Technology
Pakistan's top leadership today sought American assistance in the civilian nuclear field and the transfer of drone technology, saying such steps would help address misperceptions about the US and bridge the trust deficit between the two sides.

During a meeting with visiting National Intelligence Director Dennis C Blair, President Asif Ali Zardari called on the US to provide assistance in civil nuclear technology to help Pakistan overcome its energy crisis and bridge the trust deficit between the two countries.

Zardari also sought the "early transfer of drone technology to Pakistan" so that the country's security forces could use unmanned spy planes to target militants.

Such operations by Pakistani troops would have "wider public acceptability" than the drone strikes carried out by the US, he said.

"US drone attacks on our soils not only infringe upon Pakistan's sovereignty but also undermine the national consensus (for) the war on militancy," Zardari said.

The President also stressed on the need for "working on a counter-terrorism strategy within the agreed parameters and creating an effective intelligence-sharing mechanism between the two countries".

He asked the US to strengthen and enhance Pakistan's counter-terrorism capabilities through "timely assistance and necessary tools and equipment".

During a separate meeting with Blair, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said the success of the forthcoming Pakistan-US strategic dialogue "would be greatly beneficial for bridging the trust deficit and addressing the misperceptions about Pakistan-US relations".

Gilani also underscored the need for "concrete and visible signs of implementation" of commitments in identified sectors.

The Pakistani leaders raised several other issues with Blair, including the need to review the new US screening regime for Pakistani travellers, the need to expedite US legislation to set up Reconstruction Opportunity Zones in the tribal belt, increased market access for Pakistani exporters, the granting of a special dispensation for Pakistani textile products and the honouring of pledges made by the world community last year to accelerate the pace of rebuilding and development of militancy-hit areas.

Zardari said Pakistan had suffered losses of over USD 35 billion during the past eight years due to the fight against militancy.

Referring to the regional situation, he said Pakistan "has legitimate interests in promoting peace and stability in Afghanistan and welcomes international assistance for this".

On the other hand, Gilani said the US and the world community should forward to help Pakistan in the immediate development of areas cleared of militants.

This is "crucial to retain the national consensus and public support in sustaining the campaign against terror", he added.

Gilani said the peace and stability of Afghanistan "was intrinsically linked to peace in Pakistan and hence his government would fully support the Afghan government's strategy for reconciliation".

However, greater coordination in these efforts is a pre-requisite for the success of the strategy, he said.

Gilani also said Pakistan would like to have better relations with India by "addressing the core issues between the two countries in the interest of bringing the war against terror to its logical conclusion".

Blair appreciated Pakistan's struggle against militancy and reiterated the US administration's commitment to work closely with the country in this regard.

He expressed satisfaction at the cooperation and coordination between the two countries in intelligence-sharing through which Pakistan and the allied forces "had gained remarkable successes in the recent past".

He said both sides should adopt a "realistic approach" in the strategic dialogue to achieve desired results as the last three rounds of the parleys "had not helped much in addressing crucial issues and it was time that both sides proceeded with the dialogue (while) aiming at achieving concrete results".
MAN THAT'S A LONG EXHAUSTIVE WISH LIST!!!!
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Missile Test by Pakistan Navy
Pakistan today conducted a surface-to-air missile test, its second such drill in four days in a bid to add "offensive punch" to its forces, according to the navy.

A guided missile destroyer carried out the firing of a surface-to-air missile and scored a "direct hit", said a statement from the navy.

The navy described its anti-air warfare capability as another manifestation of its offensive punch.

The surface-to-air missile that was fired is capable of intercepting targets at extremely high speeds. It is a "fully automated system which can track and engage even very small targets", the statement said without giving details.

On March 12, the Pakistan Navy conducted a major fire power drill in the north Arabian Sea to "send a message of deterrence to anyone harbouring nefarious designs" against the country.

Warships, submarines and aircraft carried out the "successful firing of a variety of missiles and torpedoes" during the drill.

Newly inducted weapon systems, including anti-surface missiles on Chinese-made F-22 P frigates and air-to-surface missiles of P3C maritime surveillance aircraft, were among those tested in the drill.

Today’s firing was witnessed by the Pakistan Fleet Commander, Vice Admiral Tanveer Faiz.
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The Origins of Pakistan-China Military Relations
Pakistan was the first Muslim country to recognize China in 1950 and the third non communist state. Pakistan then voted for a bill concerning the restoration of China’s legitimate rights in the UN. PIA became the first non-communist airline to fly into China in 1964.
All Eggs in One Basket: The real transformation came when USA cut off all spares and other support such as training courses etc. both to India and Pakistan on breakout of 1965 Indo-Pak War.
watch out .....we are purchasing too much stuff from amrika, it will surely cut the necessary supplies in a war if we use mmrca/weapons which is american, some senator X will have a strange kind of pain and will ban further supplies from the us-congress, .Then again we have to turn towards,israel,russia, who may or may not repeat history ??
This sudden cutting off of support effected Pakistan very adversely. PAF was very significantly effected as it had all her eggs in one (US) basket. After partition, PAF had acquired first 60 Sea Fury fighters in 1950, then followed by 12 jet Attackers from UK. In addition, for transportation, PAF replaced 8 odd C-47 Dakotas with 110( yes 110! ) British Bristol Freighters. We needed at the most 12 transport aircraft, but our RAF CinC bought 110 of them. We got a raw deal from Britishers in Attacker and Freighter sales inter alia many others – thanks to RAF C-in-C and other senior seconded RAF officers. Pakistan could only afford these small numbers with its own honest money. After joining CENTO and SEATO, PAF went whole hog for better US aircraft, acquiring 100 F-86s, 12 F-104s, approx 10 B-57s, 12 or so C-130s, and number of search and rescue helicopters and amphibians.
To highlight this, it took our pilots nearly one week to understand that switches on panels on right side of cockpit are in fact ‘circuit breakers’ and not switches as these appeared to be. China provided initially sixty F-6 aircraft along with tanks, arms and ordinance for 3 Army Divisons, large number of AA guns and ammunition etc..And it was done almost free of cost and within days.
damn, we will certainly return this favour to chinese
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Samay wrote:....<SNIP>......China provided initially sixty F-6 aircraft along with tanks, arms and ordinance for 3 Army Divisons, large number of AA guns and ammunition etc..<SNIP>
And these PA Divisions were referred to disparagingly as "China Divisions" and were notorious for the low quality of equipment and corresponding serviceability and uptime available....(this from an article by ex-PA Officer). Just search for story of PA assault on Longewala and state of PA Armor (Chinese T-59) during the assault...
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Im not sure whether it exists or not,but there should be a thread that covers all the battles (facts,figures,reason of the outcome) fought by the modern Indian army ,specially since WWI , areas where it fought since WWI,special conditions,etc . there are some threads that discuss history of IA,IAF,IN, but not history of warfare of Indian defence forces .
I see a lot of such threads existing in some west-oriented defence forums .

Gurus...??
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Pak to US: Terror bill worth $35 billion, nuke deal
WASHINGTON: Pakistan is coming up with a bill of $ 35 billion for its efforts in the war on terror and a wish-list that includes a nuclear deal similar to the US-India agreement as it prepares to engage Washington this coming week in what officials from both sides say is the most comprehensive dialogue in their bilateral history.

"If we have a strategic dialogue in our country, we're going to include the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or some other representative. So we are very pleased that General Kayani is part of this delegation. We think that it's one country, one government, one team. It was their decision and we welcomed it," Holbrooke said. Washington in recent weeks has noticeably cooled down its criticism of the over-arching role played by the Pakistan military in the country's affairs.

Pakistan's wish-list for the Obama administration includes not only speeding up disbursements in bilateral aid under the Kerry-Lugar package and Coalition Support Funds, both of which are audited for more precise use and claim, but enhanced support for its economy, particularly in the energy sector. Vast swathes of the country are now under 8 to 12 hour power cuts and Islamabad is presenting this as one reason why Washington should offer a civilian nuclear deal to Pakistan similar to the US-India deal, although experts say Pakistan has no capacity to absorb or implement such an agreement even if it were to pass international scrutiny.

US officials remain non-committal about the deal. "We have a very broad and complex agenda in these talks... and we're going to listen carefully to whatever the Pakistanis say," Holbrooke said cautiously when asked about a possible nuclear deal. In fact, no one in Washington takes Pakistan $ 35 billion claim as its total cost in the war on terror arrived at during internal deliberations in Islamabad last week, seriously.

But Holbrooke held out the prospect of enhanced aid in other areas and sectors, promising a few surprise announcements. "This is not a photo op, although you will have an opportunity to take a photo. This is an intense, serious dialogue bilaterally between the US. and Pakistan," he said in a hurried briefing at the state department that followed a White House meeting of principals where, Holbrooke said, -- "almost every senior person in the United States foreign policy community was in the room" to discuss US policy for the region.
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GENERAL IN THE 'HOOD
Those who know him say he is a brooder. But those who know him well will tell you that's just one of the layers to the deeply complicated and thinking mind of Pakistan army chief Ashfaq Parvez Kayani. The bluster that marked Musharraf has been dumped for quiet gravitas as the man from Rawalpindi goes about turning friends like the US and Britain into closer allies and outmanoeuvering not-so-friendly neighbours like India and Afghanistan at international fora. In a country brought to its knees by terror, corruption and an inept political system, the former ISI chief is putting up a masterly show as he calls the shots.
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Battle of Kushtia

Before dawn the next day, the last 13 soldiers in Kushtia stole out of the radio building and covered 14 miles on foot before two Bengali militiamen took them prisoner and brought them back to the Kushtia district jail. The 13 were the only known survivors of Delta Company's 147 men. Among the West Pakistani dead was Nassim Waquer, a 29-year-old Punjabi who last January had been appointed assistant deputy commissioner at Kushtia. When an angry mob found his body, they dragged it through the streets of the town for half a mile.
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The PAF's on a roll :roll:
Pakistan Air Force successfully employs air-to-air refueling skill
Pakistan Air Force (PAF) on Sunday employed air-to-air refuelling skill successfully thus attaining another milestone to prove itself ‘second to none’ as envisioned by Father of the Nation Muhammad Ali Jinnah. The attainment of the capability was a part of the on-going High-Mark-10 exercises kicked off a week ago.The first Air-to-Air Re-Fuller aircraft of Pakistan Air Force which had joined PAF in the mid of December-2009, today took active part in the exercises and ably re-fulled two fighter aircraft in the PAF’s inventory, a senior officer of PAF said while talking to APP here.

The PAF is expecting delivery of three similar re fulling aircraft by June this year.By virtue of its ability to refuel Air Defence aircraft in air, PAF's overall capability in terms of its effectiveness to defend the airspace of the motherland has significantly enhanced, he said.The area of exercise High Mark-10 is spread over the entire country from Skardu in the North up to the Arabian Sea in the South. The exercise has been tailored to include joint operations with extensive participation from Pakistan Army and Pakistan Navy that would further enhance might to conduct joint operations amongst the three most essential services.

High Mark-10 is aimed at conducting operations in near-realistic tactical environment while integrating new inductions and providing role-oriented training to combat and support elements of PAF and other services.“It is designed to achieve stipulated objectives with special emphasis on exposing PAF combat crew to simulated air battles based on contemporary concepts,” he said.He said, all the Main Operating Bases (Peace Time) and Forward Operating Bases (War Time) are operative during the on-going exercise.

New inductions like JF-17 Thunder aircraft and force multipliers such as Saab-2000 Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) aircraft and Air-to-Air Refueller aircraft are participating in the exercise for the first time.Exercise High Mark is PAF’s biggest operational event that is being conducted after a pause of five years.The ever changing geo-political environment in the region demands change in the employment concepts and doctrinal changes in the application of air power with emphasis on joint operations, he said. Exercise High Mark 2010 would provide PAF an opportunity to validate these concepts that are vital in the overall defence of the country.
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Right, the terrorists fighting Anti-Terrorists war :roll: Go Figure!
Pakistan Air Force in Anti-Terror War
By Air Marshal Ayaz A Khan (R)

The high professional excellence of Pakistan Air Force has been put to test by the war on terror. This is a different kind of war, because the enemy cannot be seen. The terrorists are engaged in a hit and run guerrilla war. Their tactics are secrecy, suicide bombings and ambush. Yet their greatest fear is that of air attacks. This is because of the surprise, speed, shock and devastation of air attacks. Missiles and bombs hit the terrorists, before they see the fighter jets, releasing and firing their lethal ordnance. The fighter bombers, and gun ship helicopters descend from the sky suddenly, and destroy their targets with great accuracy and greater lethality than is possible by ground attacks. Pakistan Air Force has flown over five hundred attack mission against the Taliban and Al-Qaeda Taliban, with devastating results. Hundreds of terrorists have been killed and injured, and not a single PAF air craft has suffered damage. The selected targets be they caves, hidden weapon, munitions and explosive stores were hit with great accuracy, by laser guided bombs, homing missiles, and accurately delivered ordnance. The terrorists insurgents remain in dread of air and drone attacks, which have taken a heavy toll of terrorist lives and properties.

The hills and mountains of Swat, Malakand, Bajaur, Orakzai, South Waziristan provide them an ideal terrain for hide, hit and run operations. Fortunately Pakistan Army’s excellent strategic planning and tactical operations and close cooperation with the Pakistan Air Force denied them the advantage of the terrain and forced and flushed the terrorists out of hideouts, trenches and mud forts into the open. Identification of terrorist caves and hideouts by Pakistan Army OP‘s , enabled Pakistan Air Force, to launch missiles, guided bombs and rockets with great accuracy to destroy and demolish terrorist caves, covered bunkers and trenches and mud forts, with minimum co-lateral damage. Highly coordinated land air operations has contributed effectively to the land operations of Pakistan Army and para-military forces against the terrorists in Swat-Malakand, South Waziristan, Bajaur and Orakzai Agencies. The success of air and ground operations in unison and coordination reflects high professional expertise of PAF commanders and pilots, and Pakistan Army commanders and jawans. While the nature of air operations, and excellent planning has ensured almost zero attrition, the same is not the case with the Army and the Frontier Corps. Hundreds of officers and thousands of JCO‘s, NCO‘s and Jawans have embraced Shahadat to ensure that Pakistani nation lives in safety. May God the Almighty bless them in heaven. The gallantry in battle of Pak Army’s and FC’s senior and junior officers, and jawans has inspired the national resolve not to rest till terrorism and terrorists are wiped out. Their names will be written in gold letters.

High professionalism of the PAF is because of intensive training, and first rate equipment. F-16, JF-17 Thunders, Mirage III and V’s and latest F-7P’s have been mastered by PAF fighter pilots. They are equipped with latest avionics, and high technology weapons systems. Air operations in Swat and FATA agencies have infused much needed confidence, and will be valuable assets in any future war like operations. War exercises have helped the PAF to maintain its operational edge. The Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman has assured all neighbors by categorically stating that the ongoing “Exercise High Mark – 2010 is not aimed against any country and that the mission of PAF is to ensure peace, with honor. History teaches us that peace cannot be maintained from a position of weakness”. Air Chief further said that “Exercise is aimed at improving and demonstrating PAF’s operational capabilities”.

PAF Exercise High Mark 2010 is in full swing and the entire Air Force is engaged in operations in a realistic training environment. For the first time JF-17 Thunder aircraft were put through their paces in the stringent air environment that has been orchestrated to ensure realism in the exercise. The recently induced JF-17 Thunder would be put to test by undertaking entire spectrum of air war operations during High Mark, 2010.

For sustained air operations JF-17 Thunder fighter needs air refueling. A few Days earlier U.S. Air Force pilots and aircrews from the 22nd Expeditionary Air Refueling Squadron, deployed at Transit Center at Manas, Kyrgyzstan, arrived at PAF Chaklala to conduct joint exercises with the Pakistan Air Force. Upon arrival, the U.S. airmen invited PAF pilots and aircrews aboard their KC-135 Strato-tanker aircraft to familiarize them with U.S. Air Force air refueling equipment and procedures. U.S. Navy Vice Adm. Michael LeFever, the senior U.S. Defense Representative to Pakistan, hosted Pakistan Air Commodore Tahir Ranjha, PAF Air Transportation Director; and Air Commodore Khalil Ahmed, PAF Chaklala commander, aboard the KC-135 aircraft. “Events like these promote understanding and enhance PAF-USAF cooperation, while also boosting PAF’s capability and expertise.

US political and military leaders realize that the arrival of more F-16s in Pakistan later this year, developing air refuelling expertise is critical to increasing the PAF’s airborne endurance and enhancing their ability to counter the violent extremist threat in their country.” The new JF- 17 Thunder fighter of the PAF’s has aerial refueling capability, vital to ensure greater range and endurance.

Over the last three years, U.S. civilian and security assistance to Pakistan of $4 billion, includes medical aid, school refurbishment, bridge and well reconstruction materials, food distribution, agricultural and education projects. The military side ot the US aid includes supply of 18 F-16 fighter aircraft, 5 Fast Patrol Boats, 115 self-propelled Howitzer field artillery cannons, more than 450 battle vehicles for Pakistan’s Frontier Corps, one squadron of night attack Cobra helicopters, hundreds of night vision goggles, day/night scopes, radios, and thousands of protective vests and first-aid items for Pakistan’s security forces. Considering how deeply involved in the war against terror is the Pakistan military, this aid needs to be increased substantially.

PAF would benefit by close Pak-US cooperation in the field of aviation technology, and continued supply of aircraft, weapons and spares. The Peoples Republic of China has been Pakistan’s closest and consistent friend, and has provided the technology for the manufacture of fighter aircraft, warships, tanks and field guns. US has passed nuclear technology to India and not to Pakistan! Yet expects Pakistan to play front line role in the war against terror. The leadership in Washington needs to end discrimination, and come upfront in aiding Pakistan to fight the anti-terror with greater effect.
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The uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan seem to have conveniently relegated Non Muslim women to the category of "what your right hands possess" (Ma malakat aymanukum) making them sex slaves:

Pakistan army using minority women as sex slaves: NGO
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arun wrote:The uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan seem to have conveniently relegated Non Muslim women to the category of "what your right hands possess" (Ma malakat aymanukum) making them sex slaves:

Pakistan army using minority women as sex slaves: NGO
Nothing new in this, we generally read the articles of these slaves is Indian newspapers .
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The hooker's job was to terrorize USA abt the growing influence of Indian Navy in the Indian ocean ,sleep with them and to get some more penny class ships to assume similar role in the seas, a paki equal equal visit......
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Pak gives US 56-page wish list to counter India's might
Some of the major post-2001 defence supplies provided, or soon to be provided, under FMF include:

Eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and their refurbishment (valued at $474 million);
About five 250 TOW anti-armor missiles ($186 million; 2,007 delivered);
More than 5,600 military radio sets ($163 million);
Six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars ($100 million);
Six C-130E transport aircraft and their refurbishment ($76 million);
Five refurbished SH-2I Super Seasprite maritime helicopters granted under EDA ($67 million);
One ex-Oliver Hazard Perry class missile frigate via EDA ($65 million);
20 AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters via EDA ($48 million, 12 refurbished and delivered);
21 refurbished TOW missile launchers ($25 million).
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From the above link:
Supplies paid for with a mix of Pakistani national funds and FMF include:

Up to 60 Mid-Life Update kits for F-16A/B combat aircraft (valued at $891 million, with $477 million of this in FMF, Pakistan currently plans to purchase 35 such kits);
115 M-109 self-propelled howitzers ($87 million, with $53 million in FMF)
Notable items paid or to be paid for entirely with Pakistani national funds include:

18 new F-16C/D Block 50/52 combat aircraft (valued at $1.43 billion; none delivered to date);
F-16 armaments, including 500 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles; 1,450 2,000-pound bombs; 500 JDAM Tail Kits for gravity bombs; and 1,600 Enhanced Paveway laser-guided kits, also for gravity bombs ($629 million);
100 Harpoon anti-ship missiles ($298 million)
500 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles ($95 million);
Six Phalanx Close-In Weapons System naval guns ($80 million)
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Army ready to forgo hardware: Kayani
“I told Senator John Kerry and Senator Richard Lugar that in order to make sure that Pakistan’s economy and energy needs are met, we are willing to forgo the military equipment that we have asked for,”

US-Pak dialogue should not be judged only on civil N-deal: Pak

"It would be unfair to see this (strategic) dialogue process only in context of a civil nuclear cooperation...To judge the success or failure of our relations with the US or this particular dialogue in that narrow context is not appropriate," Foreign Office spokesman Abdul Basit said.
F-16s for Pak could cloud IAF's 126-plane deal: India to US
While Pakistan may have pitched hard with the US for early transfer of F-16 fighter aircraft and other sophisticated military equipment, a concerned India is learnt to have raised the stakes by indicating to the US that such a transfer may not go down well at a time when two US companies are bidding for the 126 multi-role combat aircraft tender floated by India.
Quite funny how things are turning out.
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What about the following supplies ?
  • 26 Bell 412 Helicopters
  • 4 additional P-3 configured with E2-C Hawkeye
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Pakistan doubling nuclear-bomb capacity
a report prepared by the Washington based Institute for Science and international security says Islamabad may be operating a second nuclear reactor under the country's nuclear weapons programme.
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Pak Navy to acquire seven submarines to meet challenges posed by India
The Pakistan Navy is likely to acquire seven 'conventional' submarines and is in discussions with China and France for finalising the deal. According to sources, negotiations are also on with Germany to purchase three U-214 type submarines.

Sources within the Pakistan Navy said that a high level naval delegation would be visiting France next week to finalise the deal with French DCN Company for Marline submarines.Islamabad is de eply interested in acquiring four Chinese Yuan and Song Class and three French Marlin class latest diesel electric conventional submarines in a bid to meet the challenge from the rapidly expanding Indian navy, The Dawn quoted sources, as saying.

It is pertinent to mention here that a German company-HDW had drawn up technical specifications for three U-214 submarines, and a billion dollar contract was almost finalised, but the deal could not materialise due to some unknown reasons.
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