Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 13 Mar 2010 17:48

ATTACKS ON LAHORE
12 March 2010: At least 45 die in two explosions
8 March 2010: 13 killed in attack on security agency building
7 December 2009: 48 killed in blast at a crowded market
15 October 2009: 40 die in assaults on security forces
27 May 2009: Car bomb attack on police buildings kills at least 23
30 March 2009: Gunmen attack a police academy, killing eight
3 March 2009: Six die in ambush on visiting Sri Lankan cricket team

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 13 Mar 2010 17:50

A_Gupta wrote:Gimme money without checking how I use it! It is only a rounding error for Unkil.
Yawn
For 2008, Pakistan has received only $897m for its claim of $1.4bn. What one can make out from the report of the General Accountability Office is that the US Defence Department has tightened its guidelines to validate the reimbursement claims emanating from Islamabad. Comments such as “inadequate substantiation” and “compensation for collateral damage not reimbursable” pepper the report.

The question is: why? It seems that on several occasions Pakistan has failed to provide proper documentation and receipts while in other cases it has pressed for claims that are, at best, only very distantly related to the programme in question. And yet the fact of the matter is that the sums involved are a mere rounding error for the US: what after all is half a billion for a country that spends hundreds of billions of dollars yearly on its defence?

edit in yawn no less!!

sounds about right tough. the paki-ness of it, that is. you have so $$ much no? why dont you look aside when i scam you pennies. if this is the attitude paki elite have then ...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Mar 2010 18:30

Gerard wrote:
"I always find it interesting that the people conducting the murder and mayhem (in the Valley) today are not Kashmiri. The people who actually are deprived of all their political rights, they are not conducting the murder and mayhem," Tellis said.
Deprived of all their political rights?

P.O.K.

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 13 Mar 2010 18:38

I have seen that there is more and more attention paid on postiing jahil hamid's videos in tsp and other threads..
.... my opinion is that zaid hamid's videos should not be posted in tsp thread , it should be posted in benis thread only or a separate thread should be made for it(like baki humour thread etc,.) or better these are deleted from here.....

.. ,because what he is doing is producing more maniacs in pakistan,and making them indulge in constant fight with the Indians ,
knowing that Indians are more tech savvy these days,he is continuously motivating paki maniacs to war and spread repetitive nonsense through internet ,as evident through his recent videos,i ve seen some like wake up lahore etc ^^.so by posting videos we benefit and promote his ideology here , therefore
He should not be promoted through BRF platforms ,in any way.

I hope mods notice this and act accordingly.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 13 Mar 2010 18:49

And yet the fact of the matter is that the sums involved are a mere rounding error for the US: what after all is half a billion for a country that spends hundreds of billions of dollars yearly on its defence?

The Pakistani sense of entitlement knows no bounds.

Let us recall what Margaret Bourke-White wrote in 1947:

This hope of tapping the U. S. Treasury was voiced so persistently that one wondered whether the purpose was to bolster the world against Bolshevism or to bolster Pakistan's own uncertain position as a new political entity. Actually, I think, it was more nearly related to the even more significant bankruptcy of ideas in the new Muslim state -- a nation drawing its spurious warmth from the embers of an antique religious fanaticism, fanned into a new blaze.

http://iref.homestead.com/Messiah.html

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 13 Mar 2010 19:02

He should not be promoted through BRF platforms ,in any way.

Do you think young Pakistanis need to come to BRF to be radicalized by Profit Hamid?
They have only to turn on their TV.

It is the non-Pakistanis who need to hear and read about him. All those tempted to light candles at the Wagah border need to see and hear him.

Aman ki Asha...

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 13 Mar 2010 19:27

Gerard wrote:
"I always find it interesting that the people conducting the murder and mayhem (in the Valley) today are not Kashmiri. The people who actually are deprived of all their political rights, they are not conducting the murder and mayhem," Tellis said.
Deprived of all their political rights?

Sarcasm onlee, saab..

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Mar 2010 19:30

Lalmohan wrote: thank you sanjay - i was going to make the same point. No "pakistani" has ever ruled over India ever. the pakistanis are not mughals, they are not ghaznavids, timurids, ghorids or abdalids, or any other historical invading race. they are pakistanis and delusional morons.

If you think about it - in terms of "of the people, by the people, for the people" - they have not even ruled over themselves ever.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 13 Mar 2010 19:31

samay, there is no pro-India faction in TSP and it isn't likely there will be one in our lifetime. in that case I would rather have pakis follow zaid hamid's brand of in your face hostility (to which WKKs can't claim bhaichara) rather than the suave RAPE by day and rabid zehadi by night brand which our WKK and western elite can both relate to. would you rather have the pakis become sensible like the chinese and yet continue to create even more problems for us ? for hate us they will, ZH or no ZH.
all things said, zaid hamid is a good thing for us. may his tribe grow in pakistan.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 13 Mar 2010 19:57

Gerard wrote:
"I always find it interesting that the people conducting the murder and mayhem (in the Valley) today are not Kashmiri. The people who actually are deprived of all their political rights, they are not conducting the murder and mayhem," Tellis said.
Deprived of all their political rights?

No, the reference is and should be to Kashmiri Pundits and not the intruders muslims now claiming Kashmir their homeland.

arun · Post by **arun** » 13 Mar 2010 19:58

Datelined the 11th but does not seem to have been posted here before.

The National a UAE based newspaper on the feelings of national victimhood evident in the younger element of the population of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan which has been tapped by Zaid Hamid and others of his ilk:

Pakistan’s new paranoia

Last Updated: March 11. 2010 10:32PM UAE / March 11. 2010 6:32PM GMT

The hardline philosophies of the charismatic TV host Zaid Hamid have permeated the grassroots political life of Pakistan, writes Manan Ahmed.

A new narrative is ascendant in Pakistan. It is in the writings of major Urdu-language newspaper columnists, who purport to marshal anecdotal or textual evidence on its behalf. It is on television, where the hosts of religious and political talk shows polish it with slick production values.

The basic elements of the story – which has often, and erroneously, been called a conspiracy theory – are simple. Local agents (or terrorists, or soldiers, or Blackwater employees) representing a foreign power (India, or the United States, or Israel) are intent on destroying Pakistan because they fear that it will otherwise emerge as the powerful leader of the Muslim world, just as the country’s past leaders had predicted. The ascendant narrative is prophetic and self-pitying, nationalist and martial; it is a way to interpret current events and a call for activism to restore the country’s interrupted rise to glory.

The consumers of this narrative represent the largest demographic slice of Pakistan – young, urban men and women under the age of 30. They came of age under a military dictatorship with a war on their borders, and, more recently, almost daily terrorist attacks in their major cities. The twin poles of their civic identity – Pakistan and Islam – are under immense stress. They love Pakistan; they want to take Islam back from the jihadists. But there is no national dialogue, and no vision for the state: no place, in other words, where the young can make sense of their own country. Pakistan is ideologically adrift and headed toward incoherence, unable to articulate its own meaning as either a state or a nation. To the anguished question “Whither Pakistan?” the country’s leaders provide no response.

A man named Zaid Hamid, who has perhaps done more than anyone else to promote the new narrative of national victimhood, says that he has a clear answer. We are, he argues, living in the apocalyptic end-times – and Pakistan must emerge as the leader of the last struggle. ………………….

The National

Fidel Guevara · Post by **Fidel Guevara** » 13 Mar 2010 20:11

Suppiah wrote:3 used up in Lahore / Mingora, 2797 to go in the inventory...the more Pakjabi Pakbarians are killed the more they start paying for all the crimes of the past...way to go TTP...hope some Mullah issues a fatwa that you get your 72 only if you take out atleast 72 Pakbarian animals...

Soosai bummers have a limited life span, in more ways than one. They must be used while their suicidal fanaticism is strong, and the glow from their indoctrination is still burning. If the TTP handlers don't use these Abduls within the next few months, these Abduls are likely to just go off and do a solo act, or maybe just get p!ssed off with the waiting and decide to go home.

If I were the TTP Program Director, I would have empowered regional managers in the top 20 cities, mostly in Pakjab, each with a recce team, an operations team, and a "care and feeding of the Abduls" team. This last team would have an attached mullah to keep the flames burning in their Abduls. (Moderator intervention: Surely you mean in their musharrafs? - JE Menon)

Each Regional Manager would then have a very realistic objective - spend the 150 Abduls in your budget, within the next 90 days. If not, no bonus, and maybe you get halal'ed yourself.

But it sounds like the TTP is not quite as professionally managed, with very top-down kind of governance hierarchy, and hence overloading the senior guys with too many operational-level decisions. Hence these sudden spurts followed by the long periods of quiet.

Recommendation : Empower your mid-level commanders, provide realistic and measurable objectives, implement attractive incentives, and resource your teams appropriately.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 13 Mar 2010 20:16

Gerard wrote:
http://iref.homestead.com/Messiah.html

The Messiah and The Promised Land
Margaret Bourke-White was a correspondent and photographer for LIFE magazine during the WW II years. In September 1947, White went to Pakistan. She met Jinnah and wrote about what she found and heard in her book Halfway to Freedom: A Report on the New India,Simon and Schuster, New York, 1949.

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 13 Mar 2010 20:21

Rahul M wrote:samay, there is no pro-India faction in TSP and it isn't likely there will be one in our lifetime. in that case I would rather have pakis follow zaid hamid's brand of in your face hostility (to which WKKs can't claim bhaichara) rather than the suave RAPE by day and rabid zehadi by night brand which our WKK and western elite can both relate to. would you rather have the pakis become sensible like the chinese and yet continue to create even more problems for us ? for hate us they will, ZH or no ZH.
all things said, zaid hamid is a good thing for us. may his tribe grow in pakistan.

rahul ji,gerard ji,
I agree that tsp can never be friend of ours, but you should also realize this fact that some of our politicians,and social jholawalas will remain the way they are, they are of selfish nature and dirty logics and will remain so until uprooted from powers,.

ZZH is a media face of isi or whatever radical organization jinnah created long ago,so whenever he gets more attention is beneficial for his cause,isi's cause,the fact that he is getting slots is due to this reason. More maniacs like him are there in pakistan,means more successful and powerful isi,that is promoting ZZH is promoting true baki spirit in BRF,.

such type of nonsense he vomits is the kind of thing you must have read on any deaf-dumb forum, is now posted here on BRF in full videos and animation, so you can imagine the type of content knowing or unknowingly being allowed here,.?

Is this the reason BRF was created,?? We already know who ZZH is and what he is going to spill next second in his videos show, so whats the point of additional promotion to ZZH here??

As for the western elites,would you point any example when they ,knowing this fact that all venom of terror comes from pak,have ,even through negligence,did any harm to pakistan? Not even in their dreams cia can think of it,because if they give dollars and ef-solahs to pakistan,they are containing at least one soon to be super power,India .

BTW his speeches are in urdu and therefore western elites arent going to pay attention unless he becomes another laden, i repeat ,another laden. Should I shout on this fact that videos of another laden is promoted here?
laden's full messages are desperately neglected in media websites and channels.

As for pakis become sensible like chinese, thats not going to happen,and if pakistan was of the size of china,it would have created a lot more problems for us than 'sensible' chinese,. each one of them have distinct style to behave ,like the Indian style is making counter excuses for each action to be taken when time to take action comes,we give some wild excuse to neglect our responsibility,and hence work is never done

china is not as dangerous as a rabid pig ,and promoting a rabid piglet is not advisory !!

hazrat ZZH should be confined to benis(enquilabi) dhaga only,if he is allowed..

please dont see my post as offense ,just a simple plain logic,.
regards...

KrishG · Post by **KrishG** » 13 Mar 2010 20:24

Punjab: Christian Couple Sentenced To 25-years For Touching Koran

A court in Kasur district, Punjab, convicted a Christian couple, Munir Masih and Ruqqiya Bibi, to 25 years in prison. According to the Centre for Legal Aid Assistance and Settlement (CLAAS), judge Ajmal Hussein convicted the couple for touching the Qur‘an without washing their hands.

25 years for touching the Quran with unwashed hands!

arun · Post by **arun** » 13 Mar 2010 20:44

SSridhar wrote:Resolution of Kashmir may not resolve LeT issues: Ashley J Tellis

"There is no doubt in my mind that we have to find ways to resolve the issues relating to Kashmir. But I think resolving Kashmir is not going to solve the problems relating to LeT," Ashley J Tellis, senior associate at the prestigious Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, told US lawmakers at a Congressional hearing on Thursday.
Mr. Tellis made a mistake, a huge mistake at that. Why only LeT ? Resolving Kashmir is not going to resolve the 'enduring hostility' between India and Pakistan. The blind hatred for non-Muslims, particularly Hindus and Sikhs, in the minds of Pakistanis is the root cause. While the British sharpened the already simmering divisions for their geo-political and geo-strategic reasons, the Muslim League leaders and their successors in Pakistan have gone several irreversible steps ahead in that direction. Pakistan continues to add grievances to its long list: Kashmir, Hyderabad, Junagarh, Manavadar, Mongrol, water, capabilities of India's armed forces, trade barriers, growing Indian influence in the region, cultural invasion etc. etc. These are mere symptoms. The real reason is implacable enmity arising out of uncontrolled hatred.

To be fair to Ashley Tellis he is not unmindful of the hatred for India.

Excerpt from his testimony to the US Subcommittee on the Middle East and South Asia during their March 11, 2010 hearing titled “Bad Company: Lashkar e-Tayyiba and the Growing Ambition of Islamist Militancy in Pakistan”.

The testimony also provides a good overview of the LeT links with the Pakistan military:

The real cause of the problems in Indo-Pakistani relations remains those political forces within Pakistan that profit from continued hostility with India, namely the Pakistani Army, its key intelligence services, mainly the ISI, and their narrow bases of support among the general population. The civilian government in Pakistan, and in particular, the current regime of President Asif Ali Zardari, has a very different view of the bilateral relationship. They recognize that India represents a tremendous commercial opportunity that could contribute to Pakistan’s economic growth and social uplift. Cognizant of the fact that Pakistan will never be able to favorably resolve its disputes with India through force, Zardari has sought a non-confrontational affiliation with New Delhi that would set aside existing disputes, if not resolve them, while increasing economic opportunities to permit Pakistan to deal with its many—and deteriorating—internal conditions.

Unfortunately for Pakistan, for India, and for the United States, Zardari and his civilian cohort do not make national security policy in Islamabad. All such matters, especially those relating to the nuclear program, resource allocations between military and civilian activities, and foreign relations with key states, particularly India, remain very much the provenance of the Pakistani Army. As a result of the poisoned history of the subcontinent, manifested by the pathological insecurity, fear and hatred of India in every Pakistani cantonment, the necessity of sapping India’s strength through multiple kinds of warfare—economic closure, terrorist attacks, and nuclear competition—remains deeply entrenched in the Pakistani military psyche.

Testimony

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 13 Mar 2010 20:47

KrishG wrote:Punjab: Christian Couple Sentenced To 25-years For Touching Koran

The news item is filed under section Comedy as seen here (the content of the URL is liable to change as other stories come on top)
http://www.eutimes.net/category/entertainment/comedy/
At the top of the story is

You are here: Home // Asia, Comedy, Islam, Suppression // Punjab: Christian Couple Sentenced To 25-years For Touching Koran

Fidel Guevara · Post by **Fidel Guevara** » 13 Mar 2010 21:03

Samay wrote:
promoting a rabid piglet is not advisory !!

hazrat ZZH should be confined to benis(enquilabi) dhaga only,if he is allowed..

ZH as the next Bin Laden? He has the mindset and the flair, the oratory, and possibly the desire. He does not have the billion $ empire of the BinLaden Group though, so he will need to raise funds to get there. Once he starts doing that, the National Bird of Pakhanastan sheds a dropping onto his house.

Also, if his speeches keeps Pakis blaming the "Indian hand", he is only keeping them from seeing the true light. And the merry people of the TTP can continue doing God's work. What's wrong with that?

If ZH can keep the blinkers on the Paki middle-class for a few more years, he has served a noble purpose, and all jingos should applaud him for this!

sum · Post by **sum** » 13 Mar 2010 21:18

But it sounds like the TTP is not quite as professionally managed, with very top-down kind of governance hierarchy, and hence overloading the senior guys with too many operational-level decisions. Hence these sudden spurts followed by the long periods of quiet.

No harm in some cowering Banias providing some much needed management skills to "channel" the effort better!!!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Mar 2010 21:20

I'm with Samay.

BTW, even Mahatma Gandhi found out the very hard way that any credence given to the fundoos is a bad mistake and you pay for it for the rest of your life. Remember Khilafat?

Regarding the jihadi tanzeems in Pakistan, I'm watching them on Dawn TV debate that a distinction should be made between two types - those that are blowing up people because they are against the Pakistani state; and those that are blowing up people because they are only against current Pakistani policy. This distinction is necessary, we are told, because otherwise the situation will be unmanageable.

Regarding Jihadis - given that they exist, it is better that they blow up their sponsors instead of anyone else. But it would be best if they did not exist. Whether their non-existence leads to Pakistan staying whole or Pakistan disintegrating is a lesser matter. It is best they don't exist. They are like the Ebola virus or anthrax or the like, a threat to all, there is no safe way to play with them.

sum · Post by **sum** » 13 Mar 2010 21:23

Real sad read. Posting in full:
Refugee cramp

Women are raped. Men are harassed, beaten up or slain. Children are abducted. It’s the Taliban effect. Persecution of Hindus in Pakistan is on the rise. And the hapless victims have nowhere to go, except to the grand old Mother. Mother India.

Over the last five years, about 5,000 Pakistani Hindus have sought shelter in Rajasthan’s border districts such as Barmer, Jaisalmer, Jodhpur and Ganganagar. And none wants to return home, ever.
Ranaram Bhil is one of them. He left behind his hearth and home in Rahim Yar Khan district near the Indo-Pak border in Sindh province last year, and crossed over to India.

Fanatics had abducted his wife and forcibly converted her to Islam. Local Urdu dailies celebrated it. The next targets would have been Ranaram and his children. “There pressure was unbearable. So I fled Pakistan. I have no idea whether my wife is alive or dead,” he says.
Indraram Meghwal, 55, who migrated to India in 2006, dreads even the memory of life in Pakistan. He still has not got over the horror of watching a pundit, who refused to embrace Islam, being thrown off a roof by a fanatic mob in his hometown, Rahim Yar Khan.

The last surviving neanderthals on this planet have to be the Pakis...

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 13 Mar 2010 21:23

Leave Zaid alone!!!

He is a Raa agent, he can say anything he wants to okay!!.

Pakistan suicide attack kills 13

At least 13 people were killed and dozens injured after a suicide bomber blew himself up Saturday near a security checkpoint in Pakistan's Swat Valley.

Witnesses say the man blew himself up as he was confronted at a security checkpoint, killing civilians as well as two soldiers and two police officers.

The blast injured 52 people.

Speaking from his hospital bed, Zia-ur-Rehman said he was travelling in another rickshaw when the blast shook the street and violently jolted his vehicle.

"I thought somebody picked me up and then threw me down," said the 24-year-old, who was covered with cuts and bruises. "Everybody was crying."

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 13 Mar 2010 21:38

KrishG wrote:25 years for touching the Quran with unwashed hands!

Your see, most if not all Christians in pa'astan are sweepers and sanitary workers, and associated with the lowest class and caste (still very important in the paki "egalitarian" islamic society). So to a paki, the terms "chamaar, bhangi and choora" are derogatory and associated with unclean people.

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 13 Mar 2010 21:45

I posted this news of Christians jailed for 25 years for touching Qu'ran on 'iit bombay forum' and lo and behold, the first post stated-

Let's not get offensive here. It is the same in India as well, just try getting near a deity at a temple with dirty hands or something. The only difference is that here the punishment is more social here rather than legal.

Wow!

BTW, where did the 'discussions in other forums' thread go?

Fidel Guevara · Post by **Fidel Guevara** » 13 Mar 2010 21:55

A_Gupta wrote:I'm with Samay.

BTW, even Mahatma Gandhi found out the very hard way that any credence given to the fundoos is a bad mistake and you pay for it for the rest of your life. Remember Khilafat?

Regarding the jihadi tanzeems in Pakistan, I'm watching them on Dawn TV debate that a distinction should be made between two types - those that are blowing up people because they are against the Pakistani state; and those that are blowing up people because they are only against current Pakistani policy. This distinction is necessary, we are told, because otherwise the situation will be unmanageable.

Regarding Jihadis - given that they exist, it is better that they blow up their sponsors instead of anyone else. But it would be best if they did not exist. Whether their non-existence leads to Pakistan staying whole or Pakistan disintegrating is a lesser matter. It is best they don't exist. They are like the Ebola virus or anthrax or the like, a threat to all, there is no safe way to play with them.

Gupta-ji, I fully agree that Jihadi scum should not exist, and that the world (especially TSP) will be a better place without them. However, we are talking about whether Zaid should get more publicity or not.

Would you agree with these 3 statements :

1) Jihadis come from the lowest, poorest, most illiterate class in Pakistan. Their primary source of info is the local mullah; i.e. not from cable TV, and certainly not from the Internet, and they also do not attend political seminars.

2) Zaid caters specifically to the RAPE middle-class, and ensures that they continue to blame the YYY conspiracy, and overlook the sins of Pakistan.

3) The RAPE ruling class don't give a damn about Zaid...they are the natural rulers and they don't need to be told who to blame or what to think. They just want the middle-class cowed down and agreeable to their policies...if Zaid helps them here, they will tolerate him.

So, these three assumptions lead us to these conclusions :

A) More Zaid =/= More Jihadis

More Zaid = More blinkers on the middle class = faster descent into Hell
C) More Zaid = More secure ruling class = more continuation of self-destructive policies = faster descent into Hell

Any gaps in this logic?

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 13 Mar 2010 22:33

arun wrote:Datelined the 11th but does not seem to have been posted here before.
Pakistan's new paranoia

A must-read article

Inder Sharma · Post by **Inder Sharma** » 13 Mar 2010 23:34

kittoo wrote:I posted this news of Christians jailed for 25 years for touching Qu'ran on 'iit bombay forum' and lo and behold, the first post stated-
Let's not get offensive here. It is the same in India as well, just try getting near a deity at a temple with dirty hands or something. The only difference is that here the punishment is more social here rather than legal.
Wow!

BTW, where did the 'discussions in other forums' thread go?

Please reply to the darwin awardee whether he/she considers Christian hands synonymous with dirty hands per se??

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 13 Mar 2010 23:58

Guys, I don't know if I've mentioned this book here before, but I should have. Occurred to me because I'm on the second reading. It's called "Chasing a Mirage: The Tragic Illusion of an Islamic State" - by Tarek Fatah.

It's a must read bloody awesome book. The first sentence goes like this:

"I am an Indian Muslim born in Pakistan"

.... You just know which way it's going right? It's filled with tons of information and anecdotal stuff from Islamic history and current events that it's a virtual one-book arsenal of quotes...

Run to Amazon.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 14 Mar 2010 00:05

sum wrote:Real sad read. Posting in full:
Refugee cramp

Further excerpts:

But, being Hindus does not offer them any privileges. Also, until 2004, these refugees had to wait for five years to become eligible for citizenship. This period has been increased to seven years. The process fee, too, has been increased from Rs 100 to Rs 2,000 to Rs 3,000 to Rs 30,000.

That India is not a signatory to UN Convention on Refugees (1951) and its 1967 protocol makes matters worse, as there is no clear policy on refugees.
Hundreds of these refugees can be seen residing in Kali Beri and Ramdev Nagar on the outskirts of Jodhpur. Most look like zombies. Their tattered clothes, emotionless faces and vacuous eyes tell their tale.

They live in sandstone huts with thatched roofs. Basic amenities such as electricity, water supply, sanitation and roads are unheard of here. Most of the refugees work in the stone quarries in the area for more than 12 hours, and some have become rickshaw-pullers. Wages are meagre and employment is uncertain. There are cases where more than 10 members of a family survive on Rs 100 a day.
“I was a farmer in Pakistan. Now, I have to slog in a stone quarry. There is no option,” says Mitthu Ram, whose hands are full of blisters, thanks to his job.

Rubbing salt into their wounds, the local police and intelligence officers allegedly hound them often and demand bribes. “If we do not cough up the money, they threaten to jail us,” says Hemant.
Furthermore, the law does not allow refugees to move out of the district limits. “Even if someone is seriously ill we cannot take him to a hospital in the city,” says Nainu Ram.

It looks like these unfortunate people, escaping from torture in TSP, are being treated particularly badly by the GoI. Perhaps their fault lies in not belonging to a favoured religion. Maybe they should pretend to be illegal immigrants from Bangladesh ... then Indian elites will be bending over backwards to pander to them.

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 14 Mar 2010 00:14

Where are the people who profess to defend the Hindus in this case? Why are they not helping these refugees?

arun · Post by **arun** » 14 Mar 2010 00:19

arun wrote:X Posted. The US Subcommittee on the Middle East and South Asia held on March 11, 2010 a hearing titled “Bad Company: Lashkar-e-Tayyiba and the Growing Ambition of Islamist Militancy in Pakistan”

In his comment Gary Ackerman, Chairman of the Subcommittee disclosed that the Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has likely paid compensation to the next of kin of the terrorists killed in the 26/11 Mumbai attack:

There is, in fact, no reason to doubt that Pakistan’s military is likely paying compensation to the families of the terrorists killed in the Mumbai attacks. These are our allies in the war on terror.
Chairman House Subcommittee on the Middle East and South Asia

X Posted. Chidanand Rajghatta picks up the story of US Legislator Gary Ackerman disclosing that the Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has likely paid compensation to the next of kin of the terrorists killed in the 26/11 Mumbai attack:

Pak Army may be paying compensation to slain 26/11 terrorists' kin: US lawmaker

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 14 Mar 2010 00:22

csharma wrote:Where are the people who profess to defend the Hindus in this case? Why are they not helping these refugees?

The question to ask is "How many people are supporting Hindus inside India?"

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 14 Mar 2010 00:24

Fidel Guevara wrote: .......
Any gaps in this logic?

The only way a Pakistani descent into hell will help in the long term is if it serves to discredit the ideology. If they think they failed because they were not devout enough then the jihadi virus will simply infect the next generation.

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 14 Mar 2010 01:07

Gerard wrote:
arun wrote:Datelined the 11th but does not seem to have been posted here before.
Pakistan's new paranoia
A must-read article

this article gerard ji is more like a ZZH praiser than anything else ,also note that he is projected as an muslim opinion leader by pakistani thinkers in disguise,benefitting ISI, read below,,

The genius of Zaid Hamid has been to deftly shift the role of Islam from Zia’s strictly performative one to a more flexible mould. His acolytes, who call themselves lal topis (red hats), see a pious man who is less interested in their actual religiosity – whether they pray or not, give alms or not, wear hijab or not – and more concerned with their devotion to the idea of a resurgent, “independent” Pakistan. He calls on Islam mostly to play the role of history. He produces sayings from the Prophet Mohammad declaring victory for the Muslim armies against “al Hind” (India) and Jerusalem. He distributes the “prophecies” of Shah Nimatullah, a Sufi poet from the 12th century. Such claims to religiously based “evidence” allow him to sidestep any direct criticisms

I think they are trying to influence middle-east as well,in totality all internet surfing muslims, what not ,isi will love to influence potential indian mujahideens this way,
thats why I said he should be ignored,let that dirt be spilled in pakistan only..
BTW I remember osama was also projected as a maverick and saviour initially,(so was obama

)
better thing is that Indian media has till now ignored him,but who knows which media channel will initiate,how long they ignore?

Fidel:So, these three assumptions lead us to these conclusions

add one more conclusion
more ZZH=more indian mujahideen...

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 14 Mar 2010 01:12

csharma wrote:Where are the people who profess to defend the Hindus in this case? Why are they not helping these refugees?

I am willing to donate some small amount to help these people apply for citizenship if they can't afford it. Is there any organization which can help these people?

sarvadharam · Post by **sarvadharam** » 14 Mar 2010 01:14

Run to Amazon.

http://www.airra.org/documents/Chasing- ... ate[1].pdf

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 14 Mar 2010 01:16

Rahul M,
Pakis can never have a pro-India segment in their soceity because to be pro-India....you will become Indian. That is why even among the Christians and Hindus in Pakistan...very hard to find a pro-India personality at least from my interaction with these types.
Avram.

archan · Post by **archan** » 14 Mar 2010 01:37

kittoo wrote:I posted this news of Christians jailed for 25 years for touching Qu'ran on 'iit bombay forum' and lo and behold, the first post stated-
Let's not get offensive here. It is the same in India as well, just try getting near a deity at a temple with dirty hands or something. The only difference is that here the punishment is more social here rather than legal.
Wow!

BTW, where did the 'discussions in other forums' thread go?

Anyone who wants further discussion on this should reply in nukkad, not in this thread. We all know how that goes.

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 14 Mar 2010 06:02

A curious absence
FM {i.e. the Foreign Minister of Pak} skips preparatory meeting

The crucial Pakistan-US “strategic dialogue”, aimed at enhancing strategic partnership between the two allies in the war on terror, would be held in Washington on March 24, it was officially announced here on Saturday.
Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani chaired a high-level meeting to “develop a comprehensive, coherent and well-coordinated approach for the forthcoming Pakistan-US strategic dialogue on Saturday”, according to an official handout.
Chief of Army Staff Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani also attended the meeting. To the surprise of many, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, who is to lead the Pakistani delegation at the talks, did not attend the meeting and preferred to spend the weekend in Multan, his hometown.
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link
I wonder why FM was in Multan and not in Islamabad

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 14 Mar 2010 06:17

^^^ may be trying to sulk cause no one is paying any attention to his "Yindus were involved in terror attacks" CT