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Paki misinformation

India intensifying proxy war in Afghanistan
The increasing frequency of high level Indian intelligence’s secret visits to Afghanistan is indicative of the persistence of a clear and present danger that India, using Afghanistan as a spring board, is endangering Pakistan’s security.
According to well-informed sources, during January 2010 Indian Army’s Director General Military Intelligence (DGMI), accompanied by some senior intelligence officers visited Kabul.
A surprising aspect of the visit was the presence of over a dozen MOSSAD operatives, who accompanied the Indian delegation during their visit to Charikar in Parwan Province where a large number of Baloch dissidents are receiving training. The visit was facilitated by the Afghan Intelligence Chief who remained present during delegations’ interaction with Kabul-based officials of Israel and few other countries as well.
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sum wrote:HT was airing the story about the PSO of Advani in '92 now claiming that he was directly involved in the demolition etc. However, the channel mentioned that the then PSO, Anju Gupta is now a IG and deputed to RAW. They later must have realized their faux-pas and changed the headline to "IG is currently in a sensitive role".

Isn't the channel in breach of the OSA for blowing a RAW officer's cover ( assuming her RAW deputation isnt a well known fact)?
sum, Not every RAW officer's identity is kept under wraps - same goes for the other countries' 3 letter agencies. Ofcourse whether this particular officer's cover was blown or not or whether she revealed it herself - I don't know.

BTW never seen a female PSO before except in WB police.
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VinodTK wrote:The great game with China, India
Only a strip of sixteen miles of intervening Indian territory at one point in Bangladesh's northern borders prevents Bangladesh from having a direct border with China. If during any physical conflict between India and China, any push through by Chinese forces across this sixteen miles strip of territory occur, such a development will lead to complete geographical isolation of the seven north-eastern Indian states with the rest of India. In that case, Indian forces would be able to reach the theater of conflict if only Bangladesh allows Indian forces to travel directly through Bangladesh territories.
To take that 16 miles strip, China has to come through the Dolam Plateau or go through Bhutan.

I would not like to state more, but then this is more of a thesis encouraged by mere map gazing and without knowledge of the operational situation!
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India proposes tough new hijacking laws
NEW DELHI, March 19 (UPI) -- The Indian government Friday proposed amendments to national laws that would make hijacking civilian aircraft a crime punishable by death.

Security officials Friday said the Cabinet in New Delhi proposed amendments to a 1982 anti-hijacking law.

The measure includes a provision that would let Indian military jets force a hijacked plane to land if it was over Indian air space, The Wall Street Journal reports.

Air force jets under the proposed amendments could scramble to prevent a hijacked plane from taking off from Indian territory as well.

The Indian government placed its air force on high alert in January following intelligence reports that said the Pakistan militant groups Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jamat-ul-Dawa were planning to hijack Indian commercial airplanes in Central Asia. Sky marshals were deployed on Air India flights in January.

LeT claimed responsibility for the November 2008 attacks on Mumbai.

The Cabinet amendment includes a measure that allows authorities to seek the death penalty for conspiracy to hijack an airplane.

The amendments go before the Indian lawmakers in April.
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The Indian government Friday proposed amendments to national laws that would make hijacking civilian aircraft a crime punishable by death.

Security officials Friday said the Cabinet in New Delhi proposed amendments to a 1982 anti-hijacking law.
:rotfl:
This has to be a big joke. Attackers of parliament are being actively shielded from death penalty by GoI and they want to bring more crimes under the ambit of the death penalty.
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sum wrote: :rotfl: This has to be a big joke.
+1 to that. Even I was laughing my head out when I read about this new legislation. What more? The legislation also have provisions to shoot down an air craft which is heading to "sensitive" locations with a hostile intention. Whom are they trying to fool with all this? The GoI can go ahead and make even bring in laws which bring in death penalty for traffic violations :). But it needs to "walk the talk" by actually going ahead and executing some of the more serious criminals now sitting in the "condemned cells" across the nation.
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+2!
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There is a clear threat of a terrorist attack using passenger jets, . Some stories suggest that preparations have already been done in pakiland,.
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Samay wrote:There is a clear threat of a terrorist attack using passenger jets, . Some stories suggest that preparations have already been done in pakiland,.
And of what use is this law, when even the perpetrators of the Parliament and Mumbai attacks have not been put to death yet?
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Samay wrote:There is a clear threat of a terrorist attack using passenger jets, . Some stories suggest that preparations have already been done in pakiland,.
Boss, after seeing the weak-kneed responses to ever escalating ( and more daring) terrorist acts, Pak is probably justified in preparing for a JDAM attack on our soil as it is certain too invite no costs ( no matter what our doctrines state or what our netas mouth, all that counts for zilch)
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good, fascinating in fact. our conventional reply to terrorism is making laws and non-conventional approach is printing dossiers. superb.
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Samay wrote:There is a clear threat of a terrorist attack using passenger jets, . Some stories suggest that preparations have already been done in pakiland,.
Here is one: Explosive on Kingfisher flight
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Reinvention of Bob Gates
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/the ... s?page=0,0


Good info to read about Gates.
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NIA team to soon visit US to question Headley
NEW DELHI: A special team comprising members of NIA, as also home ministry officials, will soon leave for the US to question Pakistani-American terrorist David Coleman Headley who recently confessed plotting 26/11 attacks and also his links with LeT.

Sources said home minister P Chidambaram has asked officials to prepare a questionnaire for Headley's interrogation. Special secretary (internal security) U K Bansal is scheduled to meet the solicitor general on Tuesday evening to chalk out India's strategy.

The NIA has registered a case against Headley but has not formally charged him in a court or started a judicial process against him. Th US attorney general and head of the US justice department, Eric Holder, had earlier assured Chidambaram that India will soon have access to Headley to interrogate him, possibly before the trial begins.

Sources said the home ministry is in the process of constituting a team with the help of the law ministry under the terms of the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty with the US.

However, the composition of the team, mode of access and other issues are yet to be decided and the final decision will probably be taken only after Chidambaram returns from his UK visit.

Under the plea bargain, India can have access to the 49-year-old terrorist by deposition, video conferencing or through Letters Rogatory. Sources said India will like to explore all the three.

Sources said the visit will be undertaken on mutually accepted dates as teams from Pakistan :?: and Denmark are also likely to go to US to question Headley.

They said the NIA may file a case against Headley under the Passport Act for misrepresenting facts by not divulging his original name -- Daood Gilani. Headley had last week pleaded guilty to all 12 terror charges of conspiracy involving bombing public places in India, murdering and maiming persons and providing material support to foreign terrorist plots and Pakistan-based LeT besides aiding and abetting the murder of six US citizens in the 26/11 attacks that killed 166 people.
Possibly the first case that NIA has been assigned to work (and their first visit outside of India!)
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Islamism, modernity & Indian Mujahideen
Praveen Swami

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^^^ From the above article:
Below, though, were five demands, each entirely secular in character: demands for restitution against police outrages, the punishment of the perpetrators of communal violence, and the legal defence of terrorism suspects.
Wonder what is the definition of "secular" in India? :-?

The above statement of same article reads:
“Haven't you still realised that the falsehood of your 33 crore dirty mud idols and the blasphemy of your deaf, dumb, mute and naked idols of Ram, Krishna and Hanuman”, the venomous Indian Mujahideen manifesto released to media as bombs went off across Ahmedabad read, “are not at all going to save your necks, Insha-Allah, from being slaughtered by our hands.”
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The joke is they are going to deter jihadis and fidayeen who want to die by the threat of death penalty!!!!! :eek:
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+3 :((
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http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1974028,00.html?xid=rss-topstories
Hypothetically, how could some sort of military clash come about?
It wouldn't first be open war. China and India are building up their interests in conflict-prone and unstable states on their borders like Nepal and Burma — important sources of natural resources. If something goes wrong in these countries — if the politics implode — you could see the emergence of proxy wars in Asia. Distrust between India and China will grow and so too security concerns in a number of arenas. It's an important scenario that strategic planners in both Beijing and Delhi are looking at.
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Cyber Hackers Target UK
The ISC blamed the attacks on government-backed hackers from China and Russia and even said that Islamist terrorists were also behind some of the attacks.
“There is no doubt some state actors have sucked out huge amounts of intellectual copyright, designs to whole aero engines, things that have taken years and years of development.”
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Counterfactual

A curious history of the C.I.A.’s secret interrogation program.
by Jane Mayer

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/b ... table=true
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IOL: Ma Xioatian, deputy head of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) travelled to the Democratic Republic of Congo March 12-13 to strengthen the SIGINT and ELINT Chinese interception stations operating in the country.

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RAW had sacked Bhatia because her identity had been revealed to the press and she became a security risk. She swallowed rat poison outside PMO while a function was taking place. She is in her late 40's. Problem now is that courts have said that RAW operatives secrecy is "nothing but a myth", any agent who's name has been revealed can continue to work for the RAW. They also said that the secrecy expected of RAW staff was “rather childish.” :shock:
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Will the Indian Ocean Become the Next Arena of Great Power Conflict?
The length and delicacy of such a journey makes protection of this vital shipping lifeline a fundamental security priority for China. That India, hoping to project its power throughout the Indian Ocean region, has embarked on a naval buildup only adds to the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Navy’s (PLAN) sense of urgency regarding sovereignty over its sea lines of communication.
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[quote=]IOL: Ma Xioatian, deputy head of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) travelled to the Democratic Republic of Congo March 12-13 to strengthen the SIGINT and ELINT Chinese interception stations operating in the country.

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RAW had sacked Bhatia because her identity had been revealed to the press and she became a security risk. She swallowed rat poison outside PMO while a function was taking place. She is in her late 40's. Problem now is that courts have said that RAW operatives secrecy is "nothing but a myth", any agent who's name has been revealed can continue to work for the RAW. They also said that the secrecy expected of RAW staff was “rather childish.” :shock:[/quote]

In my opinion rather the Indian cour/panel is childish !! It is always advisable for the RAW operatives to remain secretive, just tnot onlty to protect their identity, but also to ensure theri safety. they can become easy target of JIHAD mongers/IM/and similar anti national types. I have a question to those people who gave this judgement.

1) Does world's super SPY MOSAD disclose any identity in public ?? (Remember Dubai operations, they even refused to comment !)
2) Does CIA operatives disclose their identity in public ? :roll:

Disclosing the identity will defenitely harm the operational effectiveness and safety of the secret agents, whether any one is willing to accept or not! In fact this judgement should be APPEALED in supreme court and PM / Presidents intervention should be sort !

My 2 cents ! :((
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 722213.cms


Raghuvanshi sacked as Maharashtra ATS chief

PTI, Mar 25, 2010, 12.48pm IST

MUMBAI: In a major shake-up in the Mumbai Police, Additional Director General K P Raghuvanshi was today removed as the head of Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS), days after he was criticized by the Centre for disclosing some information following the arrest of two suspected terrorists here.

He will be replaced by Joint Commissioner of Police (Crime) Rakesh Maria, a home department source said.

"Raghuvanshi has been relieved of the responsibilities of the ATS chief. Joint Police Commissioner Maria will take over," the source told PTI.

Raghuvanshi has been shunted to the state’s law and order department as Additional Director General (Law and Order).

Maria met home minister R R Patil after the reshuffle. The Union home ministry had come down heavily on Raghuvanshi for disclosing "more than sufficient" information to the media after the arrest a few days ago of two terror suspects, who, police said, were planning to attack the ONGC office and shopping centres in the metropolis. The disclosure resulted in a central Investigative team losing out on a vital Pakistan link to the terror module.

Joint Police Commissioner (Law and Order) Himanshu Roy is likely to replace Maria.

The Maharashtra government had last week said it would discuss possible action against Raghuvanshi. Chief minister Ashok Chavan had said though the state government has not received any directive regarding Raghuvanshi, he was aware that the Centre was unhappy with the way certain information was given away soon after the arrests.

Raghuvanshi was appointed the ATS chief on June 11 last year after the Bombay High Court pulled up the authorities over the crucial body remaining headless since the killing of Hemant Karkare in 26/11 terror attacks.

A 1980 batch IPS officer, Raghuvanshi was the first to head the ATS when it was formed in 2004. Earlier, he had worked with CBI for a brief period.
Despite what the headline says, he has not, of course, been sacked, just transferred. But what is worrying is the part where it says that his words led to a major pakistan link being lost... does this mean that a source has been eliminated?
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ASPuar wrote:Despite what the headline says, he has not, of course, been sacked, just transferred. But what is worrying is the part where it says that his words led to a major pakistan link being lost... does this mean that a source has been eliminated?
Yes as stated before the source has been lost for good , must have been a big loss for this chap to loose his post and get transferred. Perhaps could have saved many lives.
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Raghuvanshi removed as ATS chief
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The Union Home Ministry had come down heavily on Raghuvanshi for revealing "more than sufficient" information to the media after the March 13 arrest of two terror suspects, who police said, were plotting to attack ONGC and shopping centres in the metropolis.

The disclosure resulted in a central Investigative team losing out on a vital Pakistan link to the terror module, according to the Home Ministry.

Raghuvanshi had revealed the two arrested men were receiving directions from a Pakistani handler, who they referred as "Chacha" (Uncle), after which the trail to the man, whose calls were being intercepted, went cold.

The Maharashtra government had last week said it would discuss possible action against Raghuvanshi.

Though Chief Minister Ashok Chavan had said the state government had not received any directive regarding shifting Raghuvanshi, he admitted that the Centre was unhappy with the way certain information was given away to the media soon after the arrests.
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The Center and the State Admins are also to blame for not having designated spokepersons on these matters. They have left the field open to the investigating officers to make statements.

I fault the Center MHA Admins first and then the State govt Admins before blaming the ATS chief.

It was total abdication of Information role by the Civil adminsitration that has led to the Police being thrust into that role.

The Minsters have been hiding behind the Admins who in turn dont want to be in the front and let the Police take the heat.

Did the Center inform the ATS about the sources being classified? Most likely not.


Mr Raghuvanshi brought credibility back to the decimated ATS after the 26/11 terrorist attack.
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ASPuar wrote:espite what the headline says, he has not, of course, been sacked, just transferred. But what is worrying is the part where it says that his words led to a major pakistan link being lost... does this mean that a source has been eliminated?
The source is not the human or any technical expect from pakistan but its the interception of chat (26/11 style) between "Chacha/Uncle" and arrested Terrorist.

When Raghuvanshi revealed the name chacha (who is Dawood's gangster), Chacha went off line from the network so intelligence officials could not trace him any further from the day disclosure was made public. So unable to trace any future terrorist activity and so on.

MEA official said above reason for center's dislike against Raghvanshi.

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http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/03/re ... s-fake-ssl
New Research Suggests That Governments May Fake SSL Certificates
Technical Analysis by Seth Schoen

Today two computer security researchers, Christopher Soghoian and Sid Stamm, released a draft of a forthcoming research paper in which they present evidence that certificate authorities (CAs) may be cooperating with government agencies to help them spy undetected on "secure" encrypted communications. (EFF sometimes advises Soghoian on responsible disclosure issues, including for this paper.) More details and reporting are available at Wired today. The draft paper includes marketing materials from Packet Forensics, an Arizona company, which suggests that government "users have the ability to import a copy of any legitimate keys they obtain (potentially by court order)" into Packet Forensics products in order to impersonate sites and trick users into "a false sense of security afforded by web, e-mail, or VoIP encryption". This would allow those governments to routinely bypass encryption without breaking it.

Many modern encryption systems, including the SSL/TLS system used for encrypted HTTPS web browsing, rely on a public-key infrastructure (PKI) in which some number of CAs are trusted to vouch for the identity of sites and services. The CA's role is crucial for detecting and preventing man-in-the-middle attacks where outsiders invisibly impersonate one of the parties to the communication in order to spy on encrypted messages. CAs make a lot of money, and their only job is to make accurate statements about which cryptographic keys are authentic; if they do this job incorrectly — willingly, under compulsion, by accident, or negligently — the security of encrypted communications falls apart, as man-in-the-middle attacks go undetected. These attacks are not technically difficult; surveillance companies like Packet Forensics sell tools to automate the process, while security researchers like Moxie Marlinspike have publicly released tools that do the same. All that's needed to make the attack seamless is a false certificate. Can one be obtained?
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Had ATS lost credibility after 26/11 in some way? I thought that the actions of the ATS chief, ie, his willingness to personally take charge during 26/11 brought credit to the force, even though he was martyred...

IMHO, the (now former) ATS chief should have remained silent about this matter, even using his own judgement. There was much discussion on BR earlier, about this tendency to rush to the media, by govt officials. Surely, as an experienced officer, he should have known not to say anything under the circumstances.. The media was unaware of any such news... so it was entirely on his own initiative that he decided to go to the media with the story... I dont see it as an abdication of responsibility on the part of the Central Govt. Just an act of commission on the part of Mr Raghuvanshi, which was an error of judgement, which has caused a loss of an intel asset.
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IMO there are various issues being discussed after the Raghuvanshi episode.It seems to have opened a can of worms.

1. Why can't there be an appointed spokesperson for police briefings.Considering we are such a media prodding community,it wouldn't hurt to have a public relations dept to handle all press conferences and decide what goes out and what doesn't.

2. Surely enough there had to be some superior who would have had an idea what the ATS chief was going to blurt out.You don't just turn up in front of the media at a press conf and lambaste what ever you want without the blessings of some saar on the top of the ladder.

3. It almost seems there is something fishy as an ATS chief is not stupid enough to reveal such details prematurely.It might be so that frustration against the central agencies is being vented out.Or probably state v/s central intelligence turf wars are being fought in public.

Why did it take the MH govt to respond so slowly?? The story just aint straight!
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mmasand wrote:. Why can't there be an appointed spokesperson for police briefings.Considering we are such a media prodding community,it wouldn't hurt to have a public relations dept to handle all press conferences and decide what goes out and what doesn't.
Looks like the Central Govt. have taken up this issue pretty seriously. They have sent out circulars to all concerned state departements. The Kerala Police authorities have issued a circular, clearly detailing what is to be done and what is not to be done. Link to K.P circular.

K.P also had started a kind of "Press Room" from where reports to various news agencies would be given out. There are a large number of crime based programmes, which used to interview police officers investigating cases. Some times this had led to controversies as well.
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Rising Dragon, Slumbering Elephant: Chinese and Indian Defense Planning
Chinese defense spending is noteworthy in that investments in capabilities have gone hand in hand with organizational and doctrinal reforms in the People's Liberation Army, increased sophistication of the domestic defense industry, and special emphasis on research and development (R&D). At no point did China let money become a constraint on its modernization and reform drives. For instance, when the global financial crisis spread to the Chinese defense industry, Beijing quickly responded by infusing it with a $60 billion stimulus package.
By contrast, there is hardly a consistent pattern in India's defense spending over the last two decades. In some years, the defense budget registered growth of as high as 34 percent, and in others, as low as half a percent. This lack of linear growth in defense expenditures is indicative of deficiencies in the existing planning process.
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The spy who loved MI
Pakistani women and money proved irresistible for Indian Army gunner Sarwan Dass, who looked every inch the quintessential family man. A soldier who served the country during the 1971 war. A humble man who grazed his cows in the fields while in his village during holidays.

After the war, Sarwan started crossing the border in Jammu's Samba sector to earn quick money through petty smuggling. Soon, he started spying on his motherland. He gradually became Pakistan Army's Field Intelligence Unit officer Major Akbar Khan's favourite mole in India.

But in 1975, the Intelligence Bureau (IB) trapped Sarwan using a double agent, who interacted with him, pretending to be a Pakistani spy. The military intelligence (MI) was shocked and humiliated that its intra-system rival, the IB, exposed the involvement of Indian soldiers in espionage.
Sarwan's arrest and eventual confession set in motion a series of events that led to the arrest of over 60 Army personnel, including bright young officers of the 168 Infantry Brigade and its subordinate units in the Samba sector. At one point, as a senior officer puts it, it seemed Pakistan had managed to plant moles deep inside the Indian Army.

Three decades later, the Samba spy case is resurfacing—it is listed for hearing on May 31 at the Armed Forces Tribunal in Delhi. With that, many unanswered questions have resurfaced.

Why were Sarwan and his accomplice, Gunner Aya Singh, punished only for desertion [absence without leave] and not spying?
Why were they taken back into service and given just minor punishments, compared to those named in their confessions?
Was there a secret deal between MI officials and these two Pak spies?
Did Pakistan actually corrupt so many bright officers from one single brigade?
Or was there something horribly wrong with the whole investigation?

It was like a vicious cycle. The MI allegedly tortured Sarwan seeking names of others involved in espionage. Broken by torture, he spat out whatever names came to his mind. Then, those named by Sarwan were tortured one by one. They, too, gave random names. And, eventually, all those who were arrested were tortured and made to testify against each other.

Thus, the whole Samba spy case was allegedly built up on torture, torture and torture.
Prime Minister Morarji Desai wanted a probe into the mysterious death of Havaldar Ram Swaroop, who was named in the case, in Army custody. But, the Army headquarters convinced Desai that Swaroop was a spy, and he was subjected to third degree torture for the “sake of national security”. Sarwan's confessional statements formed a major part of the briefing to Desai. The case was closed and the postmortem reports disappeared.
The case again resurfaced during Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi's tenures as Prime Minister. In February 1980, Indira asked then IB chief T.V. Rajeswar to look into the case and report to her. “I sent a detailed report, stating that the entire spy case was doubtful and unsubstantiated. A few days later, she ordered a review of the case by the ministry of defence,” he had told an English daily in 1994.

In August 1986, when he was Governor of Sikkim, Rajeswar wrote to Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi, who also held the defence portfolio. Said Rajeswar: “I suggested that the Samba case should be looked into afresh....”

But, the MI used a well-cooked story, thanks to Sarwan, to convince the governments about its version.
In all these years, Sarwan appeared in public light just once, in Mumbai's magistrate court in October 2001, where he baffled everyone. Sarwan confessed he had falsely implicated innocent Army personnel in the Samba spy case at the behest of senior MI officers, who allegedly were trying to better their service records by claiming to have busted a mythical Pakistani spy ring.

The Mumbai magistrate ordered his confession be delivered before the Supreme Court where Sarwan is ready to testify that he falsely implicated Army men.

“I confess that I spied on my country,” he told THE WEEK. Sarwan said he leaked crucial information, including helipad location, location of infantry division, brigade units, names of commanders and commanding officers, locations of bunkers, and details about military exercises and training, to the Pakistanis. He also stole the Army's Orbat—order of battle.
And the guilt of ruining the lives of innocent soldiers haunts him now: “I am ashamed... because of my mistake, so many lives and families were destroyed.”

After his arrest, Sarwan initially remained silent in the MI's custody. Even when Aya Singh named Captain S.R. Nagial of Jammu as one of the officers involved in spying, Sarwan refused to testify. Nagial's court martial rejected Aya Singh's statement, as it was full of inconsistencies, and acquitted him.

Nagial, however, was trapped in another case—the loss of Orbat—and punished with seven years rigorous imprisonment and termination from service. “The officers who were responsible to keep the document safe themselves interrogated and implicated me,” said Nagial. “To me, it was the first indication that there was a deliberate attempt to frame people in the case.”

The interrogators urged Sarwan to tell them about meetings that had never taken place and people he had never met. “I remained in the custody of the Army from July 1975 to August 1978. After every interrogation, they used to say, 'Unless you don't give us names, you will not be going anywhere.' I thought if I stayed silent, I would spend the rest of my life in the torture cell or they would kill me. I had heard how Swaroop was killed in Army custody. So after two years, I started giving them names of officers and jawans,” he recalled. “I had never seen some of them, yet, I cooked up stories of how I introduced them to Major Khan and how much money they received from Pakistan.”

Sarwan accused four MI officers—Brigadier T.S. Grewal (then MI deputy director), Brigadier (retd) S.C. Jolly (then major), Captain Sudhir Talwar, and Colonel V.P. Gupta. “They tortured and forced me to implicate other people,” he said.

In March 1977, Sarwan named gunners Banarasi Lal, Babu Ram and Sriram, Naib Subedar Daulat Ram and his battery commander Captain R.G. Ghalawat. The humiliation of being called a Pakistani agent and the torment of the 14-year rigorous imprisonment pushed Ghalawat into severe depression. He later died of heart attack. One of the charges against Ghalawat was that he helped Sarwan escape from the Army's custody. But Sarwan told THE WEEK he escaped by jumping off a train while being shifted from Babina to Jammu for interrogation, as the guards were asleep.

“I was undergoing constant torture. I thought why not implicate him [Ghalawat]. He was my commanding officer at Babina, and had been very harsh on me,” says Sarwan. “He once punished Aya Singh and me for watching a late-night movie.”

Sarwan did not know his statements would have such grave consequences: “We [Aya Singh and he] never thought our fake confessions would lead to the arrest of so many Army personnel. It was so easy to involve people in the case. I could have implicated half the Army.”

In April 1979, Sarwan dropped another bombshell. He named one of the brightest Indian intelligence officers, Capt. R.S. Rathaur of the 168 Infantry Brigade, who had won special appreciation from Northern Command headquarters for his work. Sarwan told his interrogators that he had collected classified files from Rathaur, and that he had taken the Captain to Major Khan in the 'Kandral post in Pakistan'.

Sitting in his office in Delhi, Rathaur pointed out on a map that the Kandral post was within Indian territory. “That was their first lie. How come Pakistani soldiers came and met us at our own post and nobody knew about it?” asked Rathaur. “I was forced to confess all nonsense. During interrogation, I was lacerated all over. They would tie weights to my testicles and drag me on the floor by one leg.”

The days continue to haunt him. Even now, on some days, Rathaur cringes as he wakes up in the morning, thinking he is in the interrogation centre. “Sometimes, in the middle of road, I get lost, and I call and ask my wife for directions,” he said.

During interrogation, Rathaur named 11 Army personnel, including Brigadier Karam Chand, Lt Col Kayastha, Major S.P. Sharma, Captain V.K. Dewan, Captain Sujjan Singh and Captain A.K. Rana.

Rana completed the vicious cycle started by Sarwan. He was arrested on the charge of leaking classified documents. But, the Army headquarters refused to disclose details about it. “If the documents are already with Pakistan, what is the harm in disclosing the details?” asked Rana.

Rana's confessional statements, which he said was obtained under torture, involved 27 officers, three JCOs, nine jawans—all, again, from the 168 Infantry Brigade.

“It is an irony of fate that a few MI officers were able to cook stories so easily and create one of the world's biggest imaginary spy scandals,” said Rana, who was jailed for 10 years. He was further shattered when his daughter died a couple of years after his arrest.
Sarwan was arrested in 1975, but he named Rathaur and Rana only in 1978. In 2001, the Army told the Supreme Court that Sarwan and Aya Singh had withheld names of certain officers because they threatened Aya Singh that his wife would be killed. But, a judgment dated October 26, 1977, of Jammu's chief judicial magistrate, punctures that claim. It said Aya Singh's wife, Bacho Devi, committed suicide on April 10, 1977.

Things got murkier with the death of Swaroop in 1978. “After that, there was no going back for the MI,” says Major R.K. Midha, who was Swaroop's commanding officer. “When I refused to testify that Ram Swaroop was a drug addict and that he died because of drug overdose, I, too, was implicated in the case.”

Midha was removed from service and given seven-year rigorous imprisonment. He accused Jolly and Grewal, who was MI deputy director, for Swaroop's death.
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In 1976, Ajwani was a deputy judge advocate-general posted in the Northern Command HQ. “I was implicated after I refused to accept that gunner Om Prakash's testimony during his trial was voluntary. Also, I was the first judge to adversely comment on the testimonies of two MI officers [Jolly was one among them],” said Ajwani.
Two months later, he landed in trouble. He was placed in military custody and shifted to Delhi. “That is how I became another Pakistani spy,” said Ajwani, his face creased with dejection.

Ajwani does not blame Jolly alone. He slams then Army chief General O.P. Malhotra: “Had he just used his common sense, he would have realised how ridiculous it was that Pakistan recruited so many personnel from just one brigade.”
Former IB deputy chief V.K. Kaul, who was the chief investigator of the Samba case, stated on record that the spy scandal was a hoax. “It was a fake case. I don't want to say anything more on it,” he told THE WEEK.

Former Army vice-chief Lt General (retd) S.K. Sinha, who was MI director just before the scandal broke, did not rule out the possibility that some MI officers cooked up stories for promotions or to settle scores.

Throughout, there has been sheer confusion about the case. Even successive governments kept silent. The cases got buried in the Army HQs. “I don't know anything about the case. It never reached me,” said General V.P. Malik, who was Army chief for three years from September 1997.

Punished by the Army and humiliated by the public court of opinion, those accused in the case have almost lost hope. But, the spirit of a soldier keeps them going. “I told them we have to fight this injustice as true soldiers, till our last breath,” says Ajwani. In 2001, he moved Supreme Court to speed up the Delhi court's verdict on the Samba case. The court exonerated Rathaur and Rana, and quashed the Army orders dismissing other officers.

Ajwani, 73, keeps travelling from Mumbai to Delhi to attend court hearings. “In the last two years alone I have visited [Delhi] 144 times,” he said flipping through his diary. “Our fight is not for compensation. It is not about revenge. It is about proving that we were true Indian Army soldiers,” said Ajwani.

After a moment of thoughtful silence, he added: “My name is Major Ajwani and I am not a Pakistani agent.”
I dont get this. The guy confesses he is a spy and he is never even cashiered!!!?
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Interview with the ex-Paki mole:

The Army released me on a secret agreement
The official version of the Samba case was woven around gunner Sarwan Dass’s confession. He had joined the Indian Army on September 9, 1967. After the 1971 Indo-Pak war, he began spying for Pakistan, and passed on crucial information to Islamabad.
Following an IB tip-off, Sarwan was arrested in June 1975 by his artillery unit based in Madhya Pradesh. His fake confessions ruined the lives of many bright Indian soldiers.
Sarwan now regrets his misdeeds. He opens up about the case. Excerpts:

When did you first visit Pakistan?
In 1971. I desperately needed some money, so I decided to visit Pakistan for smuggling. But I got arrested in Sialkot and was sent to jail. Two Pakistani officers, Major Akbar Khan and Major Akhtar of Field Intelligence Unit promised to release me, provided I work for them. They offered good money, too. I agreed.

Who was the first person you took to Pakistan?
I have taken only one person, Aya Singh. He, too, wanted to make some quick bucks.

How did the Army come to know about your espionage activities?
It was 1975. Aya Singh and I had rejoined my unit in Babina in Jhansi after long absence from duty. Both of us were punished—two months rigorous imprisonment. After a couple of months, Khan sent a person to Babina to meet me. He was a civilian from Jammu. He showed me my picture with Major Khan. So, I thought he was our man. Later, I came to know that he was an IB double agent. :twisted: :twisted:

Captain R.G. Ghalawat was charged with helping you escape from the Army's custody?
That is a fake story. While being shifted from Babina to Jammu, I jumped off the train as the guards were sleeping.

Then why did you testify against him?
I was under intense pressure to give names of spies. I thought why not implicate him. He was my commanding officer at Babina and had been very harsh on me. Once he had punished Aya Singh and me, as he spotted us returning after a late-night movie. So, I thought it was my turn to teach him a lesson.

Ghalawat was given 14 years rigorous imprisonment, and he succumbed to the humiliation of being called a Pak agent.
I never thought he would be given such harsh punishment. I feel ashamed of myself.

Who else was working with you for Pakistan?
Aya Singh and I were the only ones.
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The Sambha Spy Case is one of the biggest blot on the Indian Army. It ruined the lives and career of so many Army Officers and PBOR and their families. Times Now was running a documentary on it yesterday. Truly shocking. These men deserve their rightful honor and dignity; something that was taken away from them.
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Financial and criminal intelligence network to be activated
PTI
Sunday, March 28, 2010 17:16 IST
New Delhi: In an effort to streamline exchange of sensitive information related to financial and other crimes among various enforcement agencies here, the government will activate an ambitious single-window intelligence network by the middle of this year.


The intelligence network called Secure Information Exchange Network (SIEN), has already brought on-board the databases of central enforcement agencies like the Directorate of Revenue Intelligence (DRI), Financial Intelligence Unit-India (FIU-IND), Enforcement Directorate (ED), Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) and the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) among others.


This is the first of its kind of its effort to streamline crucial and actionable information of various stakeholder agencies functioning with exclusive mandates and under various Acts.


Two other agencies -- the Intelligence Bureau (IB) and the technical and intelligence wing of the Central Board of Direct Taxes (Income Tax)-- will brought on board by June this year and the network would be fully activated to co-ordinate with foreign enforcement and intelligence agencies, sources said.


The SIEN will ensure exchange of information on real time basis by way of data exchange, video, and secure telephonic exchange of information. The exchange network will streamline the flow of information inputs received by various agencies in their fields of expertise and will be monitored in a comprehensive manner by the ministry of finance.


The network, will function under aegis of the Central Economic Intelligence Bureau (CEIB), under Economic Intelligence Council (EIC) headed by the finance minister.


The hardware to the entire intelligence information portal and database will be provided by the National Technical Research Organisation (NTRO) -- a scientific body functioning under the prime ministers' office.


The application software for the intelligence network is being developed by the Advanced Data Processing Research Institute (ADRIN), Secunderabad with the help of the NTRO.


The new intelligence network will also share the information stored in the portals of the National Economic Intelligence Network (NEIN) database which till now has 8,646 cases of offenders and other financial matters with it.


The intelligence database will analyse and process inputs to study the modus operandi adopted by money launderers, financing of terror, and share information with the agencies so that an uniform approach can be taken up in such cases having multi-disciplinary authorities and cross-border connections, sources said.
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rohitvats wrote:The Sambha Spy Case is one of the biggest blot on the Indian Army. It ruined the lives and career of so many Army Officers and PBOR and their families. Times Now was running a documentary on it yesterday. Truly shocking. These men deserve their rightful honor and dignity; something that was taken away from them.
IIRC Capt. Rathaur's complete story is available online.
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Sarwan Dass is still guilty for falsely implicating his Group Captain and causing him mental, emotional and bodily damage for 14 years. He should be fined and deported to a far corner of the country for the rest of his life and daily activities should be monitored.

Hopefully, this will serve to be a lesson in professionalism and the price to be paid for falsely implicating superiors for the sake of personal vendetta.
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