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KSA reforms in the "female sector"!!!! :roll:
Now that is uncanny! How many times did "female emancipation" erupt in ME Islamic countries under "suddenly progressive" autocrats just before the "autocracy" was deposed to bring in more mullah-cracy? Lets see, the young western educated, "liberal" Iraqi king liquidated [liquidator later liquidated, that liquidator later liquidated, that liquidator later liquidated....hanged to be exact!], the Iranian "shah" deposed after a liberal upswing in th above arena with the more leberal [in the "womens" department] regimes subsequently voted out and perhaps witha good measure of vote corruption [latest from an ex-faithful Iranian diplomat in Norway]. Zahir Shah of AFG deposed after increasing urban liberalism for females in the 60's until earluy 70's [his deposers liquidated, that liquidator liquidated....ad nauseum], Quaiti regimes going for increased womn's representation voted out...
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D Roy wrote:by the way, just for reference

Yemen is 47 per cent Shia.

When we think of the middle east somehow our mind immediately settles on the image of a Sunni bedouin. we tend to forget just how shia the middle east ( i.e persian + arab) really is.

And in the absence of Saddam the balance of power has clearly tilted to the Shias.

Now wonder Turkey is hosting economic forums and Pakistan is strutting around as usual.
Shia are the super power in the middle east. Iran is the real power in the middle east.
Pakistan has been armed to prop up a fake sunni power to keep balance of power
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How many Mughals were Shia ?
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Prem wrote:How many Mughals were Shia ?
None.

Humayun briefly converted in Persia to get the Shah's support and reverted back to Sunnism after coming back to Delhi.
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Prem wrote:How many Mughals were Shia ?
Plenty.

See wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal_(tribe)
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Mughal "aristocrats" and their descendants contain a substantial number of Shias. The largest concentration is probably in Lucknow connected to their ascendancy with the Nawabs of Ayodhya. Among the "Mughals" of current India, as far as I know those whoc laim descent from "Turkman" are predominantly Shia, with some Qaibilas also Shias. Sometime ago, a leading light of the Shia Personal Law board claimed both Mumtaz and Taj Mahal as "Shia" adding that Shah Jehan was not buried according to Sunni rites but by Shia rites.

I think even Babur pretended to be "Shia' for a time and claimed descent from a prominet Shia Imam. He was married to a Saffavid princess - separated/divorced for some time during a tiff with her brothers - then reunited again, agreed the khutba to include Saffavids and the Shia form - ect. More a matter of military expediency perhaps. For India, the hardcore Sunni orthodoxy was more appropriate for "imperialism".
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yes but that conversion is important.

and is an example of the chief fear that sunni states have.

it does not take that long to swing one way or the other. may be not officially but your "sympathies" can always move.

So if Iran stands up to the west, big 'sunni' populations will start looking up to it as a leader.

In any case marriages are quite common between shia and sunni. Also it is a long held view by Shias and some scholars that the percentage of shia is actually much higher than the 15-20 per cent that is usually placed at. In many islamic countries that have a sunni majority, the shia end up being counted as sunni as well by the impartial census takers.

And since some history has been mentioned, we must never forget that one of the reasons that India could get rid of the mughal yoke is because Aurangzeb made it a point to destroy the shia deccan sultanates making things much easier for the marathas.
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The Mughals in any case looked towards persian culture given their ancestral homelands in the ferghana valley.

Moreover I think they were more mixed up than just mongol and turkic. given that the ferghana valley was a melting point of various ethnicities, I would not rule out some element of tajik/persian blood in them either.

Funnily enough the shia can be both uber orthodox in some matters and quite forward looking in others.

In fact their stress on purity and the tajia type rituals has impressed poor sunnis sometimes. That is probably why the salafists are dying to decree shia islam as a heresy.
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They looked to be culturally Persian (much like the neighbours) but were ethnically Turko-Mongol.

The number of Shia can probably be explained by the fact that the Mughals in general were not very orthodox to begin with. Although it is questionable how publicly known that was in those days as they would have to maintain outwards symbols of religiosity.
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I think Prem is asking about the Mughal emperors and not mughals in general.
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Probably none of them were Shia. Although in times of convenience they probably would have claimed to be so.
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okay this is off topic but let us take a look at the great mughals

1. Babur- had links with the persians through marriage, but did not particularly like the shia.
2. Humayun- temporary? convert to shiaism at the behest of the shah. when not losing on the battlefield , usually spent time in a nice staircased library. fell from stairs when he turned to answer a call for prayer.

3. Akbar- Hanafi to start with but generally open to everything which must have included shia tenets. ended his life as what can only be termed as an apostate from islam with all the new religion experiments.

4. Jahangir- my - favourite- according to some a crypto catholic - but very catholic in his tastes as well :mrgreen: .usually supported vicious ulema doctrines so that they looked the other way when he dipped his pork in wine.

5. Shahjahan-hmm - maybe crypto shia. refer to the enduring rumours about the taj mahal.

6. Aurangzeb- the true founder of salafism and poster boy for every wannabe islamist.
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Were all of them on opium except for Aurangzeb? I believe Jahangir used to drink his wine with opium. I need to try that someday.
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And finally - the Truly Great Mughal

Dara Shikoh: A scholarly giant, polyglot and clearly the only one amongst the mughals who could envision a future where there could be true reconciliation.

A loss to our motherland. I hope he was reborn to serve India again.
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Its worth remembering that the great cities of Central Asia were heavily Persian in culture - Samarqand, Bukhara, Herat, etc as well as what we call Tajikistan.

These Persian scholarly/bazaari/artisan elite of these cities were devoutly Hanafi Sunni, much like the majority of Persia. The difference is that the Safavid dynasty wasnt able to conquer them, and they stayed Sunni.

The Safavid dynasty which conquered Iran started as a *Turkic* Shia order which was pushed out from Eastern Anatolia and in to the Azeri areas, which is why their capital was Tabriz. The only way Safavids and their Qizilbash troops were able to win legitimacy was by flying the ancient Persian standard of the sun and the lion on white. The green flag of the followers of Ali was not enough.

Persia's rulers had not been Persians in a very, very long time, but the ulema were usually Persian, and very respected as judges (a city's qadi was a hugely influential post), scholars, etc, and usually from influential families. When they decided to embrace Shi'ism everyone else followed. This class of Persian ulema and those around them didn't just convert because there was a new ruling foreign dynasty encouraging it; it was a huge opportunity. Shia ulema are more independent of the imperial state than Sunni ulema because they collect zakat taxes directly, which gives them greater financial and thus political clout. That is the real link between Persian resentment of foreign Arab, Mongol and then Turkic rulers and the adoption. The local ulema were always their buffer against foreign rule, and Shi'ism strengthened the ulema.

At the level of ordinary people Islamic identity was relatively fluid - labels like Sunni, Shia, Alevi, etc didnt always mean a great deal everywhere. Ironically it was at the more educated levels where such sectarianism flourished.
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It is a commonly held belief that the Safavids started off as Turkic.

But in all probability they were more mixed up than that. They ancestrally belong to Iranian Kurdistan and then moved in a north-western direction and westwards to the Caucasus and indeed deeper into the Anatolian plateau as well.

The had a lot of different Caucasian identities in their blood including of course Azeri Turk who in any case are mixed up as well. But if anything, they most likely *started* off as Kurds.
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IOL: The Israeli embassy in Singapore, which opened in 1969, has a large military mission headed by high ranking officers. Israel and Singapore have had a secret military pact since the 60's and Israeli arms have always found Singaporeans as major clients. Singapore has an active if mostly secret co-operation with Israel. The two countries are in a similar situation, surrounded by islamic neighbours and problems with islamists (Jema Islamiyah for Singapore). The island needs a very rapid anti-missile system to defend its small territory. Iron Dome has been deployed by Israel in Gaza since Jan. It will be battle tested in Israel first before being exported to Singapore. The system is currently being tested by the Army. Israeli MoD has the budget only for 1 system which costs $50m. The system was always meant for singapore apparently and they had helped finance its development. They work together on Port security - obviously singapore has a massive port and is a major part of the economy. They are Maritime partners. Singapore is also financing port infrastructure develkopment. Former head of Israeli navy is now military attache to Singapore.

A lot of what Israel develops is too costly for the Israeli's themselves, so they are developed primarily for export.
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http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... nistan-430
OIC warns against hasty pullout from Afghanistan

Wednesday, 24 Mar, 2010

ISLAMABAD, March 23: The head of a major organisation of Muslims said on Tuesday any hasty Western troop withdrawal from Afghanistan could have dire consequences.

The United States is deploying 30,000 extra troops to Afghanistan this year in an effort to turn the tide against a growing Taliban insurgency. Washington plans to start withdrawing by mid-2011, making this year a critical period for the outcome of the eight-year-old war.

Nato allies have pledged to add to their contingents. But two of the biggest, the Netherlands and Canada, have announced plans to withdraw their combined 5,000 troops in 2010 and 2011.

“There should be careful calculations of the withdrawal of foreign troops from Afghanistan,” Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, Secretary-General of the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC), told a news conference in Islamabad.

His call for caution comes at a critical time.
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Prince Bandar is no longer going to be in the National Security Council. Prince Muqrin is now rumoured to head the NSC and has taken over all of Bandar's tasks since late Feb. Bandar has run into some major problems looks like and all his contacts are being suspended until his problems are sorted out. Crown Prince is handling the situation looks like. Prince Muqrin is becoming extremely powerful within the AlSSaud's.
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^^ Joint committee on Security is being formed. Will probably see Indian military enter the arena hopefully. Most likely in the form of advisors.

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Foreign universities in India will help Saudi students
Jeddah: Top Indian students may prefer to study in country's prestigious colleges, but there will be a rush of foreign students who will join the foreign universities in India.

According Indian Consul General for Saudi Arabia (Jeddah) Sayeed Ahmed Baba, the entry of foreign universities in India would draw substantially higher number of Saudi students to their campuses. The Arab News quoted him saying ''The move to allow overseas educational universities and institutions, including some of the prestigious ones, will only help many more Saudi and other foreign students to study in India.''

Instead of going to the United States, Europe, Australia and the Far East, Saudi students would now consider India as a suitable educational destination. About 25,000 Saudi students are in the United States and 10,000 more will be heading to universities there this year.

Some of these and other students in Australia are tied to scholarship programmes. The Consul General said the Indian diplomatic mission in the Kingdom has been ''liberal'' in issuing visas to Saudi students, businessmen, and leisure and medical tourists. ''We issue visas (to these categories) within a day,'' he said.

Similarly, large number of students from middle-east and African nations would prefer Indian campuses of foreign institutions over their US or UK campuses.

Source: c2clive Desk
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Gulf has a special focus in India's foreign policy: Tharoor

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Trade ties with Gulf await new highs
Huma Siddiqui
In August 2004, India and the GCC signed a framework agreement on economic cooperation to explore the possibility of a Free Trade Area between them. However, the India-GCC free trade agreement (FTA) is currently on a back burner as the negotiations have stalled on several issues, said officials. Both sides have already held three rounds of negotiations on FTA. The fourth round was scheduled to be held in December last year, but recession came in the way. New dates are likely to be finalised soon.

According to officials, the GCC has emerged as a successful regional organisation, which has partners around the globe despite all the hurdles. In recent times, the grouping has taken decisions that broaden the horizon of its engagements with the outside world, including India, both in economic as well as political fields.

“Economic relations have been the backbone of India-GCC ties. GCC is the second largest trading partner of India, after the US. India’s total trade with GCC countries is estimated at $28 billion during 2007-08 and it could top $40 billion by 2010,” said the official.

In the economic field, there is a need for an increased participation of the private sector, exchange of technologies, cooperation in agriculture etc. which would help in improving the relationship.

Senior officials in Ficci told FE, “In June India-GCC Industrial forum meeting, which will be represented by members of the GCC countries, will take place in Riyadh, where several issues relating to investments both ways will be discussed.”

Discussions on a broad range of issues, including the possibility of initiating negotiations towards a FTA and non-tariff barriers affecting Indian exports to the region, will be on the agenda of the meeting at Riyadh.
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Iran to host nuclear disarmament meet, wants India support

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 720525.cms
NEW DELHI: Recent hiccups in its relations with India over its controversial nuclear programme notwithstanding, Iran is looking forward to Indian participation in a conference on nuclear disarmament it is organising next month in Tehran. Scheduled for April 17-18, the conference — Nuclear Energy for All, Nuclear Weapon for None — has led to much heartburn as the West believes it is an attempt by Tehran to deflect pressure it has been subjected to internationally for its nuclear activities. Sources said Iran is expected to formally extend an invitation to the government next week for facilitating participation of officials and nuclear experts. Tehran is also likely to take up the issue with foreign minister S M Krishna when he visits Iran soon.
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Just learned from a friend that TSP is expected to win a lot of subcontracting work for the MIKSA (Border monitoring) contract in KSA. Both KSA and TSP identified 50 companies to get contracts. This is one of the ways KSA subsidises TSP.
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Israel's Gaza blockade unacceptable, says Ban
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Abu Dhabi royal missing after glider crash into lake

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8590902.stm

A search is on in Morocco for a leading member of the Abu Dhabi royal family after a glider he was in crashed into an artificial lake south of Rabat. Sheikh Ahmed bin Zayed al-Nahayan, a younger brother of Abu Dhabi's ruler.
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ADIA head. Sheikh Ahmed bin Zayed ^^

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Naval battle between UAE and Saudi Arabia raises fears for Gulf security
A naval clash in the Gulf has reignited fears over the security of the world's most important shipping lanes and disputed oilfields.
The United Arab Emirates navy is thought to have opened fire on a small patrol vessel from Saudi Arabia after a dispute over water boundaries.

According to one report, two Saudi sailors were injured in the alleged bombardment.

The Saudi vessel was forced to surrender, and its sailors were delivered into custody in Abu Dhabi for several days, before being released and handed over to the Saudi embassy earlier this week.

The incident has shocked diplomats who hope the countries, both key American allies, will help implement the West's strategy to constrain Iran's nuclear and military ambitions.

The clash happened in disputed waters between the coasts of Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi and the peninsula on which the gas-rich state of Qatar sits.

The seabed is rich with oil deposits, while the Dolphin pipeline project to carry natural gas direct from Qatar to Abu Dhabi has provoked irritation in the Saudi authorities. Nevertheless, direct conflict between the two countries' armed forces is highly unusual.

The Gulf is one of the most heavily armed regions in the world. The Saudi government has been building up its army and air force for years in response to what it sees as a regional threat from Iran.

The UAE was slower to join the arms race, despite a long-running row with Iran over three Gulf islands previously under Abu Dhabi control which were seized by the late Shah in 1971 on the night the Emirates celebrated their independence.

But now the UAE, despite its small size, is the fourth largest purchaser of weaponry on the international market in the world.

Western governments are exasperated that the two countries are unable to co-operate because of a series of long-running border disputes, largely influenced by oil reserves.

Saudi Arabia is the world's largest oil producer, while Abu Dhabi, though ranking only number four in OPEC, is by some counts the richest city per head of population in the world.

"It looks as though attempts were made to keep this quiet, which is predictable given the important relationship between the two countries and the strategic relationship with Iran," a Gulf-based diplomat said. "But it does remind us of the simmering rows that there are in this part of the Gulf."

The Gulf is the shipping route for 40 per cent of the world's oil trade. The lack of agreed naval boundaries leads to repeated arrests of civilian vessels, including a British yacht by the Iranian navy last November, but more serious is the threat of Iranian retaliation for any attack by Israel or American forces on its nuclear installations.

The Iranian government has threatened to mine the Straits of Hormuz at the tip of the Gulf, or target the western navies moored in Gulf Arab ports.

"This is getting serious," a local defence analyst said. "The Dolphin pipeline is a critical interstate energy project to bring gas from Qatar to the UAE, so a fight (with Saudi Arabia) is affecting the relations between these three countries at a time when they should be co-operating."

A spokesman for the UAE ministry of defence said he was unable to give details of the incident.
Will post more on this later. This is all thanks to deal signed in the 80's when UAE was a bit weak.
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Why Not Hamas?
The answer to Israel’s strategic dilemma may reside in Gaza.
Hamas has demonstrated a will and a capacity to think and act pragmatically when it believes it useful or necessary. There’s no better example of this than its governance of Gaza. Yes, it continues to play the role of peace-process spoiler when that role suits its interests. But Hamas has also demonstrated a serious capacity to exercise responsibility and restraint when that role suits its purposes. It has demonstrated its ability to control Gaza effectively, to both enforce a long-term cessation of hostilities and to withstand the combined efforts of the United States, Israel, and Egypt to bring it to its knees.
Current policy, after all, sends Hamas the signal that it is doomed to exclusion come what may and forever. But the more that Hamas is permitted inside the tent, the better the prospects of a modest (yet historic) success. Of course, there will be those who say this is impossible. They will say Hamas is inhuman, and why would the Iranians ever allow this? The answer is that Fatah hardly behaves much better than Hamas. Besides, Fatah has limited ability to deliver any sort of peace without the consent of Hamas. As far as the Iranians go, once you start talking with Hamas, you soon discover how much they hate the guts of those renegade Shiites in Tehran. I could be wrong about all of this. But given the unworkable alternatives, surely this is worth putting to the test.

Efraim Halevy is head of the Center for Strategic and Policy Studies at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. He served as head of the Mossad from 1998 to 2002, and he was national security adviser to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in 2002-2003. He is the author of Man in the Shadows: Inside the Middle East Crisis with a Man who Led the Mossad.
There you have it. Straight from the former Mossad man's mouth. Hamas is here to stay and he confirms a lot of things I have said.

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From the Janadriyah festival. King Hamad of Bahrain had attended. Here is King Abdullah dancing with his brothers.

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Prince Al waleed on the left.
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Sorry but they look like characters from a Mel Brooks movie!

Also aren't those bandoleers haram?
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Unfortunately for Israel,Arafat is no more and the mantle of lreadership of the Palestinians has passed into the hard-line hands of Hamas.Upon three issues hangs a permanent "peace",the status of E.Jerusalem (will it ever be the capital of the P-state,allied to this is the second-settlemenmt building in "occupied lands"and what is the final solution (no disrespect to anyon for the use of the phrase) for the huge number of displaced P-refugees,whom Israel does not want to return,but who demand the "right to return".
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Sources in Dubai royal family confirm Sheikh Ahmed bin Zayed is dead, was told this morning. Still no press release yet. I have a feeling they knew yesterday but delayed telling everyone as they would have probably cancelled the dubai world cup.
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Tharoor due in Jeddah in a few days. Possibly a follow up?

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From TSP press reporting that KSA will tell TSP FM Qureshi about MMS visit and also Af-pak policies. Also reporting that KSA wants to play a role in helping reduce tensions between both countries.

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Israel ahoy!
Having shied away from trips to Israel because of Left pressure during UPA I — barring the odd exception — the Congress is now going ahead with the same. Last week, MoS Prithviraj Chavan visited the country to seal some agreements in the field of Science and Technology. Some CMs too have gone. The Director of Intelligence Bureau visited Israel recently. But if there is one dignitary whom the Israelis appear to be waiting for keenly it is Defence Minister A K Antony. Having emerged as one of India’s biggest defence suppliers over the years, Israel is keen to cement the relationship at a political level. But as now, Antony appears far from obliging.
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The new President of the Arab League inserts his foot even deeper...

Gaddafi says Nigeria should split into several states
He said he was wrong to have said earlier this month that Nigeria should be divided into Muslim and Christian areas to end communal clashes.

Instead, he now says several different Nigerian groups want independence.
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India ascertaining facts of 17 Indians on death row in UAE: MEA

http://news.oneindia.in/2010/03/29/indi ... n-uae.html

India has sought consular access to the 17 Indians, who have been awarded death sentence by a court for killing a Pakistani, in the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

Seventeen Indian nationals have been sentenced to death by a United Arab Emirates (UAE) court for killing a Pakistani man over an illegal alcohol business dispute in Sharjah in January 2009.

The Sharia court in Sharjah, sentenced the men to death following DNA tests indicating involvement in the fatal stabbing, Khaleej Times reported.

According to reports, about 50 people were involved in the fatal attack in which the Pakistani man was beaten to death with metal bars, but those sentenced to death were found to have been the leaders.

Three other Pakistani nationals were injured in the attack, but they survived. his is the highest number of death sentences handed down at one time in the UAE, according to the BBC.

Death sentences are usually commuted to life in prison in Sharjah.
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US test-fires Trident missile in drill with Saudis
The Trident missile launch was carried out in the kingdom, the official said, but he would not give a precise location. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
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Lots to talk about but no time.
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Sheik Ahmed bin Zayed al-Nahyan, Abu Dhabi Investment Authority’s Chief, Dies at 41

India plans ‘Sovereign Fund' to seek energy assets abroad

160,000 Indians for this Haj
India signed on Wednesday night an agreement enabling its pilgrims to perform this year’s Haj. Minister of Haj Fouad Al-Farsy and India’s Minister of State for External Affairs Shashi Tharoor signed the deal, which will allow over 160,000 Indian pilgrims perform this year’s Haj.

Tharoor was accompanied by members of Parliament Mohsina Kidwai and Madani Mahmood Hussain, and Indian Ambassador Talmiz Ahmad.

“Over 160,000 Indian pilgrims coming through the Haj Committee of India (HCI) and private tour operators are expected to perform Haj this year. A request for an additional quota has been forwarded to the Ministry of Haj taking into account the large number of applicants,” Tharoor told a press conference at the consulate.

Last year, 160,000 pilgrims performed the Haj successfully. They were selected from 357,000 applicants. “Our discussion with the Haj minister was both positive and constructive. Our efforts are directed to improving our partnership in the interest of our pilgrims,” he said.

Thanking the Kingdom for making elaborate arrangements for the annual pilgrimage and facilitating Indian pilgrims year after year, Tharoor said the Indian government and its local diplomatic mission have been overseeing the arrangements for its pilgrims since the 1880s. “We thus have 130 years of experience in making arrangements for our Haj pilgrims,” he said.

During their meeting with the Haj minister, Tharoor said they discussed the ongoing expansion work in Makkah, which will further improve facilities for the pilgrims.

“It’s a remarkable job for Saudi Arabia to host millions of pilgrims annually,” he said.

Indian pilgrims constitute one of the largest segments of the annual pilgrimage and the agreement covers all aspects connected with the Haj. These include arrangements for pilgrims’ accommodation in Makkah and Madinah, aside from air travel, health care and various welfare measures. Also covered are transport arrangements to Makkah, Mina, Muzdalifah, Arafat and Madinah during the pilgrimage.

Separately, four subsidiary agreements are also being reached between the HCI and the Tawafa Organization for South Asian Pilgrims, the General Cars Syndicate, the United Agents Office and the National Guides Organization.

Tharoor said like last year Saudi Arabian Airlines and Air India would ferry the Indian pilgrims to the Kingdom and back. A subcontract given to Nas Air last year would be reviewed before taking a final decision, he added.

Tharoor said this was the third time he was visiting the Kingdom, having toured Riyadh and Dammam on different occasions before.

He described Saudi Arabia as one of the most advanced countries, which wields tremendous influence in the region. “For the Gulf Cooperation Council, India is the No. 1 trading partner, ahead of China, and we invite Saudi investors to visit us and explore the tremendous potential the country holds in various sectors. India can offer high and enduring returns to investors,” he said.

Asked about the problem of visa overstayers, Indian Ambassador Talmiz Ahmed said the Indian mission, in cooperation with local authorities, is effectively tackling the problem. “They are mostly Umrah overstayers. There are only about 100 who remain. They will be deported within a week,” said Ahmed.
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IOL and other sources confirm that TSP - KSA do not have a nuke deal (where KSA had received some TSP maal etc during Musharraf visit). Its only speculation.

KSA Assistant Defence Minister for Military Affairs Prince Khaled Bin Sultan met Director of the US Missile Defense Agency(MDA) in Riyadh yesterday.

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Saudi Crown Prince Sultan is apparently gradually begun re-taking control of all wings of the Sudairi branch of the Saud family
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Met a former hezb soldier who fought in 2006- Hezballah Israel war. Very interesting conversation. Didn't go into precise details about his actions but showed us the war scars etc and he admitted to being on the frontline in a few occassions. He appears to have been involved in training activities as he was a member of the Basij. He didnt want to talk too much about his roles (he appeared quite scared about talking about it and it appears he wanted to get away from it all). His views are anti Iranian establishment. He says they are all about money in Iran and he was saying today the situation in lebanon is too crazy, there are too many groups. But he was immensley anti jewish (I suppose he would be if he is fighting them). All this conversation mixed in with talk about how much Iranians love Amitabh Bachchan and SriDevi! lol! They love Sri Devi. Sholay is famous in Iran. More about it later.
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Do post more when you get the chance Shyam!

The Basij have been recruiting Lebanese and more recently Iraqi Shia for some time. They're a vital additional pool for highly fervant internal security recruits insulated from Iranian youth culture, men who wont hesitate to hurt or kill defiant Iranians.

It is doing *nothing* for ordinary Iranians' already shaky sense of solidarity with Arab and Arab Shia causes.
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shyamd wrote: Met a former hezb soldier who fought in 2006- Hezballah Israel war. Very interesting conversation. Didn't go into precise details about his actions but showed us the war scars etc and he admitted to being on the frontline in a few occassions. He appears to have been involved in training activities as he was a member of the Basij. He didnt want to talk too much about his roles (he appeared quite scared about talking about it and it appears he wanted to get away from it all). His views are anti Iranian establishment. He says they are all about money in Iran and he was saying today the situation in lebanon is too crazy, there are too many groups. But he was immensley anti jewish (I suppose he would be if he is fighting them).
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Curiosity onlee, how does one exactly end up meeting Hezbollah men ???
shyamd wrote: All this conversation mixed in with talk about how much Iranians love Amitabh Bachchan and SriDevi! lol! They love Sri Devi. Sholay is famous in Iran. More about it later.
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Do tell.
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Gerard wrote:US test-fires Trident missile in drill with Saudis
The Trident missile launch was carried out in the kingdom, the official said, but he would not give a precise location. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
It must be April Fool Day news item unless KSA has sunk and became a submarine.
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Hope for Indian convicts in UAE


After the 15-month long hibernation on the fate of the 17 Indians, who were awarded death penalty by a sharia court in Sharjah early this week, the Indian Consulate has decided to engage Indian lawyers practising in the UAE to file an appeal against the death sentence by the religious court. Indian advocates working in the Middle-East have told the Indian Mission that they will appeal for reducing the death penalty to life terms, as the Indian convicts had already confessed to their crime.

“According to Sharjah sharia rules, if a person confesses to his crime, he should be given only life sentence. Here in this case, all the convicts had confessed to the crime. However, it remains a mystery how they got death sentence. We feel it happened because of the absence of language interpreter for these hapless people,” an advocate from Sharjah told The Pioneer on phone on Thursday. He pointed out that Sharia laws are different in each State of the UAE.
http://www.dailypioneer.com/246375/Hope ... n-UAE.html
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