Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 23 Mar 2010 10:55

O poor "Count Dracula",Sir Christopher Le.He has lost a case in which he has to pay a huge amount in royalties for the DVD of the film of another "Count Dracula" Md.Ali Jinnah! See how the Q-e-Am still bites from the grave!

Sir Christopher Lee loses £640,000 royalty battle
Actor Sir Christopher Lee has been ordered to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds to an illustrator in a dispute over royalties.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... attle.html

Meanwhile,Pak's sordid attempts,with US duplicity,to acquire a N-deal" similar to that signed with India in the hope of Pak "giving up the jehadis".Can a pervert change his ways?Can a militayr regime so steeped in hate against India give up their terrorist brethren?All that Pak will do is to label its home-nurtured terrorists as "Kashmiris",probably on the advice of the US,who will then put pressure upon spinless men,....sorry amoeba like MMS,who will then sell us out on Kashmir.and Siachen.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ma ... ology-deal

Pakistan pushes US for nuclear technology deal• Islamabad calls for energy pact akin to US-India agreement
• Deal could persuade Pakistan to cut ties to jihadist groups

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Mar 2010 11:25

This is how ToI's Aman-ki-Asha Partner in Pakistan describes India

The nation is celebrating Pakistan Day today with traditional fervour and zeal to rejoice the emergence of Pakistan that marked the emancipation of an independent Muslim state in the subcontinent from the British-Hindu domination on August 14. 1947.

Over six decades ago, Quaid-i-Azam Mohammed Ali Jinnah had led the independence movement that culminated in the establishment of separate homeland for the Muslims despite resistance by the British rulers and the Hindu Congress.

India has, however, turned out to be the major factor for its predicaments ever since its emergence on the world map. The fact is that India has never spared any opportunity to harm it politically, economically and integrity-wise. It attacked Pakistan thrice and dismembered its eastern limb through military aggression. It occupied Srinagar militarily soon after independence and has since kept the Kashmiri people under subjugation through military strength.

It has persisted with its illegal occupation of Kashmir and has deliberately avoided dialogue to resolve the issue. It also occupied Siachin glacier and imposed war in 1965 unilaterally. India has now embarked on water aggression and has since started building dams on the rivers assigned to Pakistan under the Indus Basin Accord signed by the two countries through the good offices of the World Bank. It has already built at least three major dams to deprive Pakistan of its rightful share of water.

Pakistan is already faced with serious water shortage and construction of dams on rivers Jhelum and Chenab will further squeeze supply of water to it. Pakistan cannot, however, escape responsibility for encouraging India to build the dams since successive governments since the signing of the Indus Water Accord failed to construct reservoirs in accordance with the Water treaty.

Pakistan is also confronted with the menace of extremism, terrorism and militancy thanks to India and the United States. While India is sponsoring terrorists with funds and weapons in Balochistan and Tribal Areas, the US invasion of Afghanistan turned out to be a greater problem for Pakistan . . .

And, some more lies . . .

It’s, however, a matter of satisfaction that the nation has always refused to submit to dictatorship and continued struggle against it with perseverance and determination for the sake of democracy that was the basis its creation.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 23 Mar 2010 12:56

Posting a quote from the report on US having not made its mind on access to Headley

New Delhi: In a surprise development, the US today said it has taken no decision to provide Indian investigators direct access to Pakistani-American David Headley, who has confessed to plotting the Mumbai terror attacks.
...
Roemer's remarks also come amid reports that Pakistan was seeking access to Headley.
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I feel there is a == setup coming the way on Yindians. Will it happen that munna will get preference? Waiting to see the situation unfold.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Mar 2010 14:16

kenop wrote:Posting a quote from the report on US having not made its mind on access to Headley

I was not surprised. The operational clause in the plea bargain says, "will fully and truthfully testify in any foreign judicial proceedings held in the US by way of deposition, video conferencing or letters rogatory."

None of them involve a face-to-face direct access by interrogators.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 23 Mar 2010 14:21

The chestnuts are our own
A self-confession

Rather than cursing the Americans for being in Afghanistan and making us fight the war against terror, we should be grateful that they forced the Pakistani establishment, at that time under the command of the Commando, to turn on its own creation.

There is no question that that mad enterprise, had it taken place, would have resulted in complete disaster for Pakistan.

if we do not stand up and recognise that there is a deeply rooted and most brutal Taliban movement in Punjab itself how will we ever do anything about it? Reports from Bahawalpur and Jhang and environs suggest that the madressahs there are some of the most poisonous anywhere and that the local administration is petrified of the militant clerics and often covers up for them.

We all knew about the above. But, here's a gem that I found to be hilarious:

I write this on World Water Day

We, the POFs and us who live in the area, are literally drinking human excreta!

This explains the paki intellect level.

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 23 Mar 2010 15:49

Be ready to see Unkil giving more arms to pakis. US doesnt care about the Indian concerns. It's very sad to see billions of dollars of indian money goes to US arm manufacturers. When would our Netas wake up?

The general’s DC wishlist

Since Kayani cannot return without a going-home present, India must expect that there will be some American rewards for him this week. Expanded supply of arms to Pakistan is certainly one possibility.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Mar 2010 17:07

jagga wrote: It's very sad to see billions of dollars of indian money goes to US arm manufacturers.

Where? when?

The US has supplied arms to Pakistan from 1964. What arms has India paid for? Even a whore who agrees for free would be insulted by the amounts that India has paid the US so far. India has paid peanuts to the US and it's no wonder the US does not give a rat's ass about India. Pakistanis are paying in blood. Mostly Indian blood. But they are paying the US.

The US is the boss. What have you paid the boss in this global protection racket?

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 23 Mar 2010 18:02

SSridhar wrote:This is how ToI's Aman-ki-Asha Partner in Pakistan describes India

This garbage seems to be an opinion piece by one M Ajlaf Mirza:

http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=21757

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 23 Mar 2010 18:51

jrjrao wrote:

The official said Pakistan already gets a few hours a week of surveillance time on those drones, and they're often "not looking at the same targets we'd necessarily want to be looking at."

Man, this one cracked me up, made my morning in that I could not help laughing my butt off

. I mean TSP muct have been so eager to look towards the LoC that they couldn't hide it.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Mar 2010 19:02

Jordan's Ambassador to Pakistan, a target for kidnap by terrorists

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 23 Mar 2010 20:14

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/mar/ ... kayani.htm

Leading defence analyst Lieutenant General (Retired) Talat Masood said Kayani had merely stepped in to 'fill a vacuum' in the democratically elected civilian government, whose legitimacy in terms of performance was 'very poor'.

Honest and naive question:

If the US is talking with Kayani and not with its civilian leadership on matters of such strategic importance, why does the GoI talk with Geelani?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Mar 2010 20:18

kittoo wrote:
shiv wrote:From Orbat.com-

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Editor is not going to waste his breath what he has been saying to the Indians for 14 years: the fundamentalists are going to come for India. After the Bombay November 2008 attack some Indians have begun to understand this.---------

I am grateful to editor for keeping his mouth shut. By his anal-ysis the Paki army and its actions before 2001 had nothing to do with fundamentalism and might possibly have been love bites on India? Calling the open flaunting of Islamic fundamentalism in Pakistan as an "increased threat" is Americanitis of the first order . Pah.

I am not disagreeing with you, just saying that the editor is an Indian and I've found him quite patriotic towards India.

Please dont discuss other websites here. Thats how flame wars get started.
Thanks,
ramana

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Mar 2010 02:04

TSP wish list

Pak seeks N-deal, drone tech, military hardware from US

So await March 26!

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 24 Mar 2010 02:38

US willing to consider nuke cooperation with Pak: Hillary Clinton

munna · Post by **munna** » 24 Mar 2010 02:40

^^ Master puppeteer running the unending loop. We shall give up all of our interests and then we shall become a shuper power

. Well played yumrika!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Mar 2010 02:43

The coming water disaster
Mai. Zarrur-uloo-Haan
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... disaster/1

On June 14, 2002, the Indian Minister for Water and Power, Chakravarty, in a formal meeting of the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT) Council held at Delhi shamefacedly declared: “When we abrogate IWT. Pakistan will be in a state of drought and Pakistanis will cry for drops of water.” Another significant statement came in 2003 from the Indian COAS who said: “The rejection of Kala-bagh Dam by some elements in Pakistan will enhance the insecurity of Pakistan.” So the government should have taken serious notice of India’s vicious intents and reacted violently with equally dreadful preem-ptive measures. Thus, India won the head and made Pakistan to lose the tails, The Treaty could have been meaningful, to some extent, had it been concluded under the precondition of a fair settlement of the J&K dispute.
India is playing another dirty game in this regard. Taking advantage of it close relations with Afghanistan it is all-out to deny waters of river Kabul to Pakistan. River Kabul is one of the major tributaries of River Indus and India has convinced Afghanistan to build a reservoir on it. Perhaps, financial and technical help is also being offered.
India has so far built more than 60 dams and hydro-electric projects on three Pakistani rivers taking undue advantage of the Indus Waters Treaty signed on September 19, 1960. The shortage of irrigation water has already led to 4 percent reduction of food supply in Pakistan. India started building Baglihar Dam on river Chenab in 2005. It was also inclined to build Wuller Barrage which would have turned Mangla Dam into 110 sq miles into a sandy patch had its groundwork not been destroyed by the mujahideen on April 7, 1990.
The Baglihar and Kishan Ganga ( these are all kuffar name containing kuffar water not fit for LOPuruvians) dams, in addition to 60 proposed water reservoirs by India would use about 80 percent water from Jhelum and Chenab that will create drought-like conditions in Pakistan. However, the most dangerous project undertaken by India is its theft of Indus water through a
The historical evidence is there to show that many thriving civilisations, Mesopotemia is one example, have perished when their water potential dried up. The same fate is gradually unfolding in case of Pakistan. ( These were all human civilizations so irrelevant to Pakiland, beside islam thrived in purity in waterless Arabia)
The suggested policy should be of careful brinkmanship. Nevertheless, Pakistan should move hell and heaven as and when India proposes to construct a dam somewhere in J&K. Indus Waters Treaty is already in tatters due to innumerable Indian violations. Pakistan should claim the return of the three Eastern rivers and also demand the handing over of the Madhupur and Ferozpur Headwork’s from where Pakistani canals originate. The LOC in Kashmir should be declared null and void. The Radcliff Award that gave Muslim majority district of Gurdaspur to India should be revised and lines be redrawn on the map on the principle of partition of the subcontinent. It is time to correct the past blunders and injustices. ( You Humanzees have to go back to your various fathers land in Arabia/Persia and Las vegas to correct the historical past)

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Mar 2010 02:55

The Qaddoo: An American view

The Hindu insistence on the representative form of government was looked upon by Jinnah as a mean to tie the 70 million Muslims hand and foot to the tyranny of the Hindus. He was duly exasperated: “I can tell you honestly that the Hindus are foolish….The bulk of the Hindus has lost their heads and their mentality, perhaps you may not know, but I know it. I assure you that unless Hindus will have the courage and confidence - they are afraid of Muslims - this India will never get Swaraj. It is not the joint or separate electorates or five of ten seats. Hindus have not the necessary courage and Hindus are afraid of Muslims.”
Metz’s study has established that the Quaid made repeated attempts to keep the Hindus and Muslims united in their struggle for freedom but when he was left with no option, he regarded partition as the best possible solution of the communal problem for all the peoples of India. ( And we thank Jinna for that, now there is a small matter of recovering our land by removing the occupation by the litter of an Arab MB Qasim )

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... can-view/1

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 24 Mar 2010 03:11

Instead of begging for lower level meaningless talks it should send a firm message to India that either it should talk about J&K at summit level after having arrived at an understanding of a just and fair solution of the dispute or otherwise be prepared to face the consequences

Consequences?

Pakistan should claim the return of the three Eastern rivers and also demand the handing over of the Madhupur and Ferozpur Headwork’s from where Pakistani canals originate. The LOC in Kashmir should be declared null and void. The Radcliff Award that gave Muslim majority district of Gurdaspur to India should be revised and lines be redrawn on the map on the principle of partition of the subcontinent. It is time to correct the past blunders and injustices.

Fascinating.

The writer is a professor and retired colonel.

Ah! ... PhD in Strategy?

Atish · Post by **Atish** » 24 Mar 2010 03:24

whine deleted by self

Akshut · Post by **Akshut** » 24 Mar 2010 03:25

http://www.app.com.pk/photo/photo_lib/2 ... 6c4aa0.jpg

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 24 Mar 2010 03:56

US lining up billions more to reward Pak

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Mar 2010 04:00

Gerard wrote:US lining up billions more to reward Pak

Its not reward but rent. TSP is a rentier state and the US needs to keep/pay its rent to serve its geo-political purposes.
Its uncanny how close BRF analysis gets mirrored in actuality wrt TSP and US dynamics. Through centuries the Indo-Gangetic plains paid the subsidy to keep thse dregs in their own places. Now its the US turn.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 24 Mar 2010 04:14

My prediction for 3/26:

1) Definetly lots of $s on the table for TSP, and more to come if it crwals when Uncle demands this, this, and that with respect to "bad terrorists".

2) Some military aid; whether TSP will actually get drones; hard to tell.

3) No nuke deal, but some cooperation, but lots equal equal language which should assuage TSP's H&D in the short term.

4) No mediating crap, because any US proposal to mediate will be dead on arrival in Delhi. But I expect US to pull the "India, TSP, and the will of the Kashmkiri people" crap that should please TSP somewhat.

5) This could very well be the biggest concession of all. The conditions in the Kerry Lugar bill will be reduced somewhwat or language loosened a bit. Specifically, ether US will fudge the condition on LeT or completely take any reference to LeT out.

All in all, I don't expect a major shit in terms of substance, but lots of equal equal pronouncements.

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 24 Mar 2010 04:51

The nuke agreement or 1/2/3 for TSP would be

1. Draw them towards NPT
2. Ensure fissle cut off treaty
3. Bring the reactors under IAEA
4. Fuel and recycle options in line

In response they would get nuke reactors for power supply and un-interuptted fuel supply with the nuke reacters comming up after 6 years.

The real game changer would be when USA decides to use the objects stored in Diago-garcia and the reaction of abdul jammat

munna · Post by **munna** » 24 Mar 2010 04:55

Atish wrote:At some level pride or shame on mere accidents pf birth is rather silly but still here is a couplet that came to my mind:

Kab lalkaar me dum hoga aur kab talwar me dhaar hogi
Mere jeeteji mere Khuda kya meri qaum khuddar hogi?

When will the threat be backed by intent, and the sword will be sharpened.
God within my lifetime will me people learn to live with self respect?

Atish Bagrodia "Aatish"

Atishji have some hopium everything will be all right. Given the rate at which our elites and middle class are being given solid doses of hopium day in day out, things will move. And yes khan is right 'cause its national interest*, you see we are too poor to have them and paks have been gifted those national interests for free. Problem solved onlee

*saving some people defensive posts

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Mar 2010 04:56

March 23 is Pakistan day - Lahore Resolution Day 1940. Ary TV was explaining why Pakistan was necessary. Balagangadhara Tilak reading the Gita, Dayananda Saraswati seeking to purify Hinduism in his Arya Samaj, and the new-found tendency of Hindus to regard the land as their mother after Bankim Chandra Chatterjee's novel were among the alarming actions necessitating Pakistan that I heard about before I tuned to something else.

March 23 is also Bhagat Singh Shaheed day. March 23, 1931. Remember him and forget Pakistan.

PS: during the intro, presenting the puzzle of why with people having so much in common, two nations are necessary, they had a still of a temple gopuram. Kind of "subtle" way of giving the answer in advance

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Mar 2010 05:27

Paki Discussing Non Islamic kuffar classical Music

THIS is apropos of Prof Hasan Aziz’s rejoinder (March 4) to my letter which discussed Dhrupad Gaeki briefly in the context of a Dhrupad singer, Alia Rashid. He disagrees with my saying that this Gaeki is also known as ‘qaseeda khwani’ and then goes on to state that “Dhrupad consists of two to four rhyming lines of hymns, essentially in praise of Hindu deities or Muslim saints”. Dhrupad from the ancient time has got several changes and no clear idea is actually available on its evolution. However, beginning with the dynasty of Alauddin Khilji (1296-1316) and with the incoming of Amir Khusro, historical changes are available from records.
According to the opinion of some musicologists, Dhrupad is the outcome of research of Maharaja Mansingh Tomer (1486-1516) of Gwalior. Nayak Bakhshu helped him a lot in establishing the Dhrupad. Mansingh developed Dhrupad into an effective style and made it comprehensive. At Emperor Akbar’s darbar there were four music pundits, namely Tansen, Raja Sammokhan Singh, Briz Chand and Srichand. They were the creators of different types of Dhrupad Gaeki. Amongst them, Briz Chand belonged to a Brahmin family from village “Dagur” village near Delhi and his style of singing is known as ‘Dagar Bani’. Most of the Dhrupad singers have been following his style in the recent and present time in India and Pakistan. Popular Dhrupad greats, namely Zia Fariduddin Dagar and Zia Mohiuddin Dagar, are the two prodigies of Briz Chand’s school. Asifuddin Dagar performed at the All-Pakistan Music Conference held at Karachi in February.
We need more devoted youngsters like Alia Rashid if this form of classical singing is to be kept alive in Pakistan.

PARVEZ RAHIM ( Not a son of MohamaD Bin Qasim)

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -gaeki-330

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Mar 2010 05:31

Gerard wrote:US lining up billions more to reward Pak

Total amount of grant given to Pakistan from

1950 - 2000 = $15B - almost $.3B per year
2001- 2009 = $17.5 B - Almost $2B per year

Total in 60 years = $32.5

This is what it takes to keep a client and make sure that a major pwoer does not rise at all. It is a good investment from a superpower point of view.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 24 Mar 2010 05:43

I found this snippet from Strat interesting....which may explain some of our angst at Unkil, and why the ameer khans behave as they do.

"In the area called generally the Middle East, but which we prefer to think of as the area between the Mediterranean and the Hindu Kush, there are three intrinsic regional balances. One is the Arab-Israeli balance of power. The second is the Iran-Iraq balance. The third is the Indo-Pakistani balance of power. The American goal in each balance is not so much stability as it is the mutual neutralization of local powers by other local powers.

Two of the three regional balances of power are collapsed or in jeopardy. The 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq and the failure to quickly put a strong, anti-Iranian government in place in Baghdad, has led to the collapse of the central balance of power — with little hope of resurrection. The eastern balance of power between Pakistan and India is also in danger of toppling. The Afghan war has caused profound stresses in Pakistan, and there are scenarios in which we can imagine Pakistan’s power dramatically weakening or even cracking. It is unclear how this will evolve, but what is clear is that it is not in the interest of the United States because it would destroy the native balance of power with India. The United States does not want to see India as the unchallenged power in the subcontinent any more than it wants to see Pakistan in that position. The United States needs a strong Pakistan to balance India, and its problem now is how to manage the Afghan war — a side issue strategically — without undermining the strategic interest of the United States, an Indo-Pakistani balance of power."

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Mar 2010 06:01

Guddu wrote:I found this snippet from Strat interesting....which may explain some of our angst at Unkil, and why the ameer khans behave as they do.

"The eastern balance of power between Pakistan and India is also in danger of toppling. The Afghan war has caused profound stresses in Pakistan, and there are scenarios in which we can imagine Pakistan’s power dramatically weakening or even cracking. It is unclear how this will evolve, but what is clear is that it is not in the interest of the United States because it would destroy the native balance of power with India. The United States does not want to see India as the unchallenged power in the subcontinent any more than it wants to see Pakistan in that position. The United States needs a strong Pakistan to balance India, and its problem now is how to manage the Afghan war — a side issue strategically — without undermining the strategic interest of the United States, an Indo-Pakistani balance of power."

This is exactly in keeping with the US concept of "holding the ring"

munna · Post by **munna** » 24 Mar 2010 06:04

shiv wrote:This is exactly in keeping with the US concept of "holding the ring"

Now is the time to topple it then! Counter rational...

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Mar 2010 06:20

Senator Professor Ibrahim Khan, Jamaat-e-Islami, from NWFP (this guy:
http://www.pakistanherald.com/Profile/S ... m-Khan-400 )

is of the opinion that the Pakistani press is not able to exercise its freedom with regard to the military operations in FATA - they just present the ISPR (Inter Services Public Relations) press releases, and do not do any investigation of their own.

Which means he believes the situation is different from what is reported.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 24 Mar 2010 06:31

by A**Hole
He was duly exasperated: “I can tell you honestly that the Hindus are foolish….The bulk of the Hindus has lost their heads and their mentality, perhaps you may not know, but I know it. I assure you that unless Hindus will have the courage and confidence - they are afraid of Muslims - this India will never get Swaraj.

Sorry to say but he is right!! in order to get the real Swaraj... on this day of martyrdom of Sardar Shaheed Bhagat Singh we must defeat Pakistan thoroughly! so that there is no country in the world that is named "pakistan" and that will do it!!

When will we understand!! I wish KPS Gill was prime minister of india instead of MMS.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Mar 2010 07:09

Should Pakistan Get a Nuke Deal?

BY C. CHRISTINE FAIR

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... ?page=full

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Any civilian nuclear deal for Pakistan would have to be conditions-based. It would not be equivalent to India's deal, which recognizes India's nonproliferation commitments and enables India to compete strategically with China globally. A civilian nuclear deal with Pakistan has a different logic: to reset bilateral relations that are bedeviled with layers of mistrust on both sides.

Pakistan disconcerts the world due to its nuclear proliferation record and because it supports myriad Islamist militants menacing the international community. This deal should therefore be conditioned upon access to nuclear scientist A.Q. Khan and direct information about his nuclear black markets, as well as verifiable evidence that Pakistan is reversing its support for militant groups and taking active steps to dismantle the architecture for terrorism.

At the same time, the deal should address Pakistan's chief concerns. Pakistan fears that the United States -- perhaps in consort with India and Israel -- seeks to dismantle its nuclear program. Such a deal would formally recognize Pakistan's nuclear status and reward it for the considerable progress it has made to enhance its arsenal's security since 2002.

...

But the United States is going to have to offer something in exchange: recognition and strategic support. Such a deal could create the conditions of trust whereby other initiatives, such as a limited security guarantee -- negotiated with India's explicit input -- would be welcomed.

Nirantar · Post by **Nirantar** » 24 Mar 2010 07:20

Gerard wrote:US willing to consider nuke cooperation with Pak: Hillary Clinton

An evil indoo in me thinks this all part of grand strategy of unkil. Dont underestimate the Chacha. While few weeks back there were speculations that they are about to take out the nukes and now all of a sudden US-paki bhai-bhai? They know it very well that the next attack on US-Europe will be from Paki-land, by paki people, trained by pakis. There are talks of a legitimate taliban(capable of taking over whole pak sans sindh) and at the same time paki are being thrown the nuke deal. How can it be? I simply can not digest. Are they nuts that the goodies they scoop to pakis are mid-air-captured by talibunnies(or wellwishers) and trained at chacha and bhatijas.

Folks, US is tightening the grip by each day and in 3-5 years, the whole paki nuke stuff will be controlled by chacha.

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 24 Mar 2010 07:22

From the Christine Fair article,

Although Pakistanis point to their "all-weather friend" China, it is U.S. -- not Chinese -- assistance that will help Pakistan maintain conventional parity with its chief nemesis, India. The platforms that China is willing to sell are unlikely to be an effective counterweight to India's evolving capabilities.

India has to be careful about the military hardware it buys from the US.

vishal · Post by **vishal** » 24 Mar 2010 07:25

Article: http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=230606

Quote: What they forget is that Pakistan is the most affected country due to perpetual instability and violence in Afghanistan and that it has joined hands with the international community to combat terrorism. Its economy has so far suffered a loss of $35 billion in the anti-terror campaign.

Madrasah math notwithstanding, does anyone know how this fiure of $35 billion came about? This thing is being repeated incessantly and for all you know it will become the accepted figure worldwide. All clarifications later will be execises in futility once this gets embedded into the head of every reporter who wants to bang out a quick article on Pukistan.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Mar 2010 07:36

csharma wrote:
India has to be careful about the military hardware it buys from the US.

In fact India could reserve all its US bought hardware fro China and use everything else against Pakistan. All this would have been true with or without C.Fair's inputs. After all "holding the ring" means balancing China too. India's US sourced hardware should be China specific.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 24 Mar 2010 07:39

shiv wrote:
csharma wrote:
India has to be careful about the military hardware it buys from the US.
In fact India could reserve all its US bought hardware fro China and use everything else against Pakistan. All this would have been true with or without C.Fair's inputs. After all "holding the ring" means balancing China too. India's US sourced hardware should be China specific.

If India is so worried, wouldn't it be easier to not buy from the US at all? We managed just fine without them for all these years.
For example, what happens to IAF's numerical superiority over the PAF if its 126 spanking new jets which are the best it has can't be used against PAF just because they are american?

This is of course if the US actually objects to India using US weapons against Pakistan, which I don't think it will, but hey if majority of the people are not convinced, then don't buy from the US at all. This theory about buying expensive weapons which can be used only against China is ridiculous.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Mar 2010 07:41

US to engage India, Pakistan to end water dispute

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=27942

“I think we need to work on this and find ways to make sure that especially in the Pakistan-Indian case, we can help move that situation forward to an improved situation,” US Under Secretary for Democracy and Global Affairs Maria Otero said at a State Department briefing on the occasion of the World Water Day on Monday.

The US undersecretary was asked about Washington’s policy toward the water dispute between Pakistan and India in view of fears that the dispute, if not resolved, could exacerbate tensions into a conflict.

“What we want to make sure that we can do is help countries avoid conflict over water. The potential for conflict over it exists not only in Pakistan and in India but in other places as well,” the US diplomat added.

“So the effort is to elevate water in our diplomatic engagement with countries, to help countries increase their own capacity to address these issues, and as the secretary mentioned today, to bring some of the forces that we can to help not only manage the existing water but also find ways to increase the supply of water. So the issue is the recognition of water as a potential source of conflict in our elevated effort to address it with greater priority than we have in the past.”

Asked if the Obama administration is specifically talking with India and Pakistan on the water issue, Otero replied: “I think we are beginning to do that. And indeed, part of the discussion that is going on, we are quite aware is between the two countries.

“The role that the United States would play in any kind of existing relationship between two countries is one that has to be carefully focused, and whereas in some cases it can play a diplomatic role and help improve countries ability to dialogue with each other,” she added.

“In other places, it probably needs to stand back and just let the countries move forward. So it really does vary from situation to situation,” the undersecretary added. When her attention was drawn to the fact that India is building dams on rivers flowing into Pakistan and that Pakistan is facing severe water shortage, Otero responded: “We are clearly aware of the enormous importance, especially as you look at upstream and downstream countries and they look at water. I think the message that we are sending today is that the United States is elevating the role that it seeks to play in issues related to water. Whether it will become the mediator in any particular conflict is not something that we are prepared to say right now”. —APP

Online adds: US State Department spokesman Philip J Crowley told reporters on Tuesday that the US was broadening and deepening its relationship with both New Delhi and Islamabad and would keep encouraging them to increase their dialogue.

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