Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

amit · Post by **amit** » 24 Mar 2010 16:44

^^^^^^^^
Re Sridhar's post:

The area has become a Bird Lover's Paradise. Maybe some of the Middle East Sheikhs should abandon their Houbara Bustard hunting and try their luck in North Waziristan?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 24 Mar 2010 16:46

Acharya wrote:Pakistan maintains that its dangerous policies are motivated by fears of India.[/b]

This is akin to a whore going on with her profession from the fear of her pimp. The pimp may one day go away but the whore will be tagged as one for the rest of her life. In pa'astan's case (and ground reality), the whore actually enjoys being one, pimp or no pimp.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Mar 2010 17:03

abhishek_sharma wrote:OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR

Pakistan’s War of Choice
By MICHAEL E. O'HANLON

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/opini ... anlon.html

The $35 billion again:

And, while Pakistanis acknowledge American economic help, they consider the $17 billion or so that we have provided since 9/11 to equal only about half their total costs, direct and indirect, from the war on terrorism.

Also this - see how anti-Americanism has become a Pakistani asset:

As he departed for a “strategic dialogue” this week in Washington, Pakistan’s foreign minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, announced that “it’s time for the United States to do more.” This isn’t what America wants to hear from an oft-unreliable ally. But we must bear in mind that the Pakistani government rules one of the most anti-American populations in the world, and even its elites see us as oft-unreliable ourselves. Washington must stay realistic, and patient, about what can be expected of Pakistan.

arun · Post by **arun** » 24 Mar 2010 17:35

When in an Islamic Republic an Islamic Science solution of using Djinn / Genie power is available to solve the problem of power availability (Djinn Energy) why is this lowtech solution of closing markets at dusk even being considered?:

PEPCO proposes early closure of markets

arun · Post by **arun** » 24 Mar 2010 17:38

X Posted. The Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) may be a UN designated terrorist organization and consequently on paper a banned organization in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Yet the Jihadi Islamic terrorist supporting policies of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan means that the LeT has no need to operate clandestinely. Rather these Jihadi Islamic terrorist supporting policies of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan means that the LeT has the ability to hold public rallies and call for Jihad without fear of molestation by the authorities of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

LeT holds a rally in Kotli:

Outlawed Pakistan group LeT calls for holy war

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 24 Mar 2010 18:33

A_Gupta wrote:
Also this - see how anti-Americanism has become a Pakistani asset:
As he departed for a “strategic dialogue” this week in Washington, Pakistan’s foreign minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, announced that “it’s time for the United States to do more.” This isn’t what America wants to hear from an oft-unreliable ally. But we must bear in mind that the Pakistani government rules one of the most anti-American populations in the world, and even its elites see us as oft-unreliable ourselves. Washington must stay realistic, and patient, about what can be expected of Pakistan.

I am sure someone as resourceful as you are won't take this as an ipso facto in how to deal with US. The same anti-Americanism in another context would have been used to reign in smart bombs. Fact is that TSP is an asset for US, whether or not there is anti-Americanism there. Dealing with anti-Americansim and attempting to turn it around in a benign way as US is doing now is not the core of US policy, rather the core of US policy is how to to manage TSP RAPE expectations and keep them happy so that they are not awallowed by the Abduls on the street.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 24 Mar 2010 18:52

SSridhar wrote:New Bird Varieties seen over Pakistan
He said the new white colour drones were smaller in size. He said the new drones attracted attention of the tribesmen due to a more deafening sound compared to other drones.

They had in this decade succeeded to implant a morbid fear in the minds of the scum by application of sheer brute force using drones combined with a potent mix of rumors,media and even hollywood regarding the drone's efficacy in hunting bunnies.
Then the goal for the US presence in Af-Pak going into the next could be - to deter (but not exterminate), by continuously flying the loud drones overhead and coercing the jihadi leaders (who IMO place a far greater premium on their lives and whose love of life often trumps the fanaticism to islam (as compared to say the cannon fodder IED Abduls) to concentrate on non-western targets.

I get a feeling that amrikhans are finally going to project western targets as covered meat as opposed to non-western targets (SDRE,ruskie,Shia,Chicoms and even pukes) which will look like uncovered meat in comparison to the freaks in fata.

Just the old - killing two birds with one stone strategy.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Mar 2010 19:06

arun wrote:X Posted. The Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) may be a UN designated terrorist organization and consequently on paper a banned organization in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Yet the Jihadi Islamic terrorist supporting policies of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan means that the LeT has no need to operate clandestinely. Rather these Jihadi Islamic terrorist supporting policies of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan means that the LeT has the ability to hold public rallies and call for Jihad without fear of molestation by the authorities of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

LeT holds a rally in Kotli:

Outlawed Pakistan group LeT calls for holy war

By a sleight of hand, Pakistan banned terror organizations everywhere else except in PoK & FATA. Kotli is in PoK.

sum · Post by **sum** » 24 Mar 2010 19:21

SSridhar wrote:
arun wrote:X Posted. The Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) may be a UN designated terrorist organization and consequently on paper a banned organization in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Yet the Jihadi Islamic terrorist supporting policies of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan means that the LeT has no need to operate clandestinely. Rather these Jihadi Islamic terrorist supporting policies of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan means that the LeT has the ability to hold public rallies and call for Jihad without fear of molestation by the authorities of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

LeT holds a rally in Kotli:

Outlawed Pakistan group LeT calls for holy war
By a sleight of hand, Pakistan banned terror organizations everywhere else except in PoK & FATA. Kotli is in PoK.

Errr, not to be a party-pooper but what exactly has India done to ensure that Pak thinks twice before doing such tamasha ( other than whimpering in front of US and keeping the presses running overtime on some worthless dossiers)?

What is the stick fearing which Pak will not behave so brazenly? Forget PoK, they openly conducted a monster rally in Lahore. What was the SDRE response to that? ( Hint: Nirupama Rao and Salman Bashir, Hyderabad house, talks).

Its very easy for our DDM to keep whining about how big, bad Unkil is betraying us but WTF did our GoI do to punish Pak after 26/11 and Kabul attacks (other than "calibrating" some meaningless dialogue process?)

R Vaidya · Post by **R Vaidya** » 24 Mar 2010 19:39

SSridhar wrote

However, the more important figure is what Khaled Ahmed gave about 3 years back, reproduced below:

The cost of maintaining Pakistan’s honour has escalated. Pakistan pays into Kashmir an estimated $2.6 billion annually to keep the APHC and the jihadi organisations alive in Held Kashmir. This also includes the ‘infiltration budget’. Pakistan gets 800 ‘incursions’ annually for this money. Pakistan’s ‘conflict economy’, inclusive of military expenditures, is 10.6 percent of its GDP.

SSridhar
do you have exact reference--thanks
R Vaidya

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Mar 2010 19:55

R Vaidya wrote:SSridhar wrote

However, the more important figure is what Khaled Ahmed gave about 3 years back, reproduced below:

The cost of maintaining Pakistan’s honour has escalated. Pakistan pays into Kashmir an estimated $2.6 billion annually to keep the APHC and the jihadi organisations alive in Held Kashmir. This also includes the ‘infiltration budget’. Pakistan gets 800 ‘incursions’ annually for this money. Pakistan’s ‘conflict economy’, inclusive of military expenditures, is 10.6 percent of its GDP.
SSridhar
do you have exact reference--thanks
R Vaidya

Google is a friend.
The original was in the Friday Times 01072007
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/01072007/page8a.shtml
(no longer available)

A copy is here:
http://rantburg.com:8080/poparticle.php ... 89685&HC=4

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Mar 2010 20:16

ashish raval wrote:
Another factor of its support to pakistan could also be american plan to test Indian "friendship".(in engineering term, it is measuring the stability of system) i.e. how quickly and what kind anti-India behavior results in taking us-india relationship to a low, high etc. This gives them the idea where Indian pressure points lies and how to control it to its favour. The know very well that India is prone to emotional bahavior on pakistani == issue. So simply testing the waters.

This is very good. I had suggested this many times. US establishment just keeps pushing their interest and wait until India pushes back. They make sure that their interest is taken care of as long as possible. India has to look out for its interest when dealing with US and US will not do it.

While I believe we need america and viceversa, the partnership should be of equals like the one similar to us-china relation. The recent anti-India and anti-China steps taken by us government is indication of the fact that us is scared of the rise of both India and China and finds itself in the position where it can be a multi-polar world and it will no longer be able to influence the world opinions the way it used to be in 25 years time.

It is never going to happen

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Mar 2010 20:40

About one-quarter of the posts here seem to arise from an elementary confusion.

Not to be forgotten is that nations are going to act in their own interests.
The nation is an aggregate, and there is very little mechanism for it to act in any other way, unlike an individual.

Not to be forgotten is that no two nations will have identical interests on everything.
This will happen among even the closest of allies.
e.g., US-UK have had a recent controversy over Falkland Islands.
US-Israel tiff is ongoing.

A nation pursuing its interest doesn't necessarily mean it is hostile to some other nation.
The quality of the relationship between two nations is determined by the aggregate of policies and actions, not by any particular one.

A nation can add incentives and disincentives to change the other nation's calculations of its interest.

As far as India is concerned, the main incentive it can provide the US is with regard to US long-term interests. US short-term interests seem to diverge from India's (e.g., over Pakistan and Afghanistan). Any Indian actions have to convey the message that what the US is doing will not be worth the long-term cost to the US.

"The US is trying to maintain a power balance between India and Pakistan" - this is US policy because the benefits (status quo - status quo is always of advantage to the incumbent power) outweigh the current costs. Where is India's game-changer that the benefits of the status quo are much, much less than the future costs? (or even current costs, if India can find some?)

Without some plausible ideas about how India can change the game, or analysis of the assumptions that underlie the current calculations that can be called into question, all that remains is a whinefest.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Mar 2010 20:44

A_Gupta wrote:
As far as India is concerned, the main incentive it can provide the US is with regard to US long-term interests. US short-term interests seem to diverge from India's (e.g., over Pakistan and Afghanistan).

This is a fake. This kind of reasoning is a problem. India's interest is supreme always and other nations align with it sometimes and sometimes do not. India must pursue her interest always and in a manner which shows to the rest of the world.

Without some plausible ideas about how India can change the game, or analysis of the assumptions that underlie the current calculations that can be called into question, all that remains is a whinefest.

War is one of the few choices left for India to take action.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 24 Mar 2010 20:46

There was an article: (Hindu's Reporter, wrote this after she crossed Wagah Border and came back to India)
http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2010/0 ... -pakistan/
and some discussion about "khuda Hafiz" (why it is haram now in Pak). vs "Allah Hafiz"..so . I was amused to see this picture...(No "Khuda" in Hafiz)

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 24 Mar 2010 21:56

My recent search (link - click here ) in Yahoo produced this:

Yahoo News: (search results)
We did not find results for pakistan nuclear deal.

Also try:
- Check your spelling.
- Try more general words.
- Try different words that mean the same thing.
- Try asking a question on Yahoo! Answers.
- Broaden your search by using fewer words.
For more helpful searching tips visit the Yahoo! Search Help Center.

I tried alternate spelling "Bakistan" but still no luck!

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 24 Mar 2010 22:04

^^^ But came across this, Just before the talk with US, Ali Zafar speaks to the media, see photo of photochor in the background:

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 24 Mar 2010 23:18

Amber G. wrote:My recent search (link - click here ) in Yahoo produced this:

Yahoo News: (search results)
We did not find results for pakistan nuclear deal.

thats because there is no n-deal between us and pukistan.
cold shoulder by US

Pakistan has said it wants a civilian nuclear deal with the United States similar to a landmark agreement reached by India in 2008. US officials have publicly sidestepped the issue.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Mar 2010 23:56

Acharya wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:
As far as India is concerned, the main incentive it can provide the US is with regard to US long-term interests. US short-term interests seem to diverge from India's (e.g., over Pakistan and Afghanistan).
This is a fake. This kind of reasoning is a problem. India's interest is supreme always and other nations align with it sometimes and sometimes do not. India must pursue her interest always and in a manner which shows to the rest of the world.

We didn't communicate, it seems. The question is how can India get the US to align with Indian interests? As I wrote, a nation can do this with carrots and sticks. India has no good short-term carrots or sticks that are consonant with Indian interests. (e.g., India could get more US alignment by doing what US wants regarding Pakistan, but that is not in Indian interests). In the long term, with the reasonable assumption that Indian growth will continue, US having good relations with India will be more important for the US - so India has only long-term carrots and sticks.

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 25 Mar 2010 00:04

From the big resolution passed by the Takleef-e-Pakistan long march that has lately been animating the great Zaid "nabuwat-e-nakhatam" Zaman:

Today Pakistan is the greatest and strongest Muslim nation on earth, the natural born leader of the Ummah but yet to claim its rightful place in the world.
...
On March 23 2010 today, we pledge... to build Pakistan on the model of Khilafat e Rashida and on the glorious past of Quran e Aula. We intend to make Pakistan the greatest nation in the world, leading the Muslim world and a decisive player in the global theatre.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 25 Mar 2010 00:55

Just saw a blip (also published in many Paki newspapers eg link here:
from Dawn
That Tamgha-e-Imtiaz was conferred on Maqsood Ahmad

For those who do not know: IIRC - Dr. Ahmmad is known as a cheater and was fired from PU for cheating.
(CERN and the Abdul Salam International Centre for Physics among others put pressure on PU - Reportedly multi-million grant to the university was held up unless this cheaters were fired or forced to retire.

AIP (American Institute of Physics) withdrew their paper after finding massive fraud and "plagiarism" (aka word by word copying) and denounced them. It was in Paki papers too.

Yet this guy gets Tamga! Only in the land of pure.

(One of the link for this saga - from Physics today: )
Plagiarist physicists at Punjab University fired

Physicists from CERN and the Abdul Salam International Centre for Physics have lauded a decision by Punjab University Chancellor Khalid Maqbool to fire five plagiarists at the university. In February, on the recommendations of an inquiry committee, the governor ‘forcibly’ retired on charges of plagiarism PU Centre for High Energy Physics director Fazle Aleem along with Rashid Ahmad, Sohail Afzal Tahir, M Aslam Saeed and Maqsood Ahmad. The issue had delayed approval of a Rs 110 million grant to the university until the matter was satisfactorily resolved. The Higher Education Commission (HEC) released the funds on shortly after the inquiry panel announced their decision.

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 25 Mar 2010 01:09

Amber G. wrote: and some discussion about "khuda Hafiz" (why it is haram now in Pak). vs "Allah Hafiz"..so . I was amused to see this picture...(No "Khuda" in Hafiz)

Why only claim that pakis are using "Allah Hafiz".
Even bollywood uses it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoYwYY6NiZA

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Mar 2010 01:29

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Wednesday opened high-level talks with Pakistan, pledging that a “new day” had begun in the often fractious ties between the two nations. Pointing to Pakistan's growing action against extremism, Clinton pledged full support, saying, “Its struggles are our struggles.” But she acknowledged that the two nations “have had our misunderstandings and disagreements in the past.” "There are sure to be more disagreements in the future, as there are between any friends or, frankly, any family members," she said. “But this is a new day. For the past year, the Obama administration has shown in our words and deeds a different approach and attitude toward Pakistan

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... an-Clinton

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Mar 2010 01:40

Delusionsal Mahishasurni Exhaling Strong Methane Fumes.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... hardball/1
Beware and play (Uncle's) hardball
SIRHEEN M MAZARI

As for US demands on Pakistan - they should not be making any, since these and our willy nilly compliance have already destroyed our country. We need to ensure that we extricate ourselves from the present debilitating alliance with the US before it proves completely fatal for us - which may be the end goal of the US in any case if one is to believe their analysts writing in official publications.
Finally, what should be our red lines if the US does not meet our demands? We certainly should not end up begging again in Washington - they need us more than we need them right now so let us make this apparent to them. Apparently the prime minister has actually been having discussions on our post-dialogue policies and actions if we do not get what we seek. One does not know what red lines the PM has formulated, but in case the dialogue has no substantive results for Pakistan, we should make some hard decisions including: delinking clearly and visibly from cooperation in the so-called "war on terror"; cutting down on the US access in Pakistan and in terms of the numbers of US personnel present in the country; halting of all NATO supplies into Afghanistan; and revaluating the whole gamut of Pakistan-US relations. It is time we played hardball with the Americans who are in a quagmire in this region. This is a rare opportunity which we must recognise and exploit instead of always putting ourselves up for abuse by the Americans

James B · Post by **James B** » 25 Mar 2010 01:54

Prem wrote:
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Wednesday opened high-level talks with Pakistan, pledging that a “new day” had begun in the often fractious ties between the two nations.Pointing to Pakistan's growing action against extremism, Clinton pledged full support, saying, “Its struggles are our struggles.”
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... an-Clinton

She might have discovered her "inner pakistani" today

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 25 Mar 2010 02:17

A_Gupta wrote:
We didn't communicate, it seems. The question is how can India get the US to align with Indian interests? As I wrote, a nation can do this with carrots and sticks.

Key thing is the attitude and clearly defining India's national interest.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Mar 2010 02:31

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=101456
Picture Perfect Public Display of Prem and Pyar.Coochy Coochy Sawmyboob Qureshi.

Pakistan pledged $125mln aid for energy sector: Clinton
WASHINGTON: US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Wednesday US pledged 125 million dollar aid to boost energy sector in Pakistan, coupled with allowing Pakistani products to gain access to US markets, Geo news reported.
In a joint press briefing with Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi here in Washington after holding strategic dialogue with Pakistani delegation, she termed strategic sitting conducive not only for Pakistan but for US administration also.She pledged US’s assistance to develop agriculture sector in Pakistan besides, extending assistance to maximize export of Pakistan.“Pakistani products will now have access to US markets”, she said adding that US will provide cooperation in establishment of three thermal power plants to minimize power crisis in Pakistan.US will help Pakistan expand Benazir Income Support Programme (BISP), she said.Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said that US suspicions of his country have evaporated, with officials no longer questioning Islamabad's commitment to fight extremism. Qureshi, who was holding a first-of-a-kind "strategic dialogue" with the United States, said "the mood was completely different" from previous visits to Washington. "I was at the Senate; I was at the House. It's a 180-degree difference," he told a joint news conference with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. "There were no more question marks, there was no suspicion, there was no 'do more,'" he said. "There was appreciation for what we had already done." The United States has long voiced concern that elements of Pakistan's powerful military and intelligence service were supporting Taliban insurgents, despite the government's public stance.Wednesday's dialogue is part of efforts by the United States to show it has a long-term interest in relations with Pakistan beyond cooperation to fight in Afghanistan.
“Pakistan is on the frontline of confronting the violent extremism that threatens us all and Pakistan's civilian and security forces continue to bear the brunt of that fight," Clinton said.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 25 Mar 2010 02:59

Marten wrote:Has this been covered recently? Could not find a reference to a very important change in the mindset!
Imagine the father of modern day terror being stripped of his inglorious title.
Short summary of Night Watch items dated March 22

Incredible..

Even more Incredible .. SIRHEEN M MAZARI's article posted by Prem:
Link

As a responsible citizen, I am forwarding that article to SOS (Clinton).. We should know what we are dealing with.

Thing about Pakis is: One can't even make such things up.

Also, The link I posted from Physics Today blog about Tamag-e-cheater.. I happened to read comments: (Putting the link again)
Plagiarist physicists at Punjab University fired

One of the comments claim that all the charges are falsie "

as they are not considered plagiarists by the foreign institutions .... .... Maqsood Ahmad, .[and others] were accused of plagiarism with respect to six different publications... All are continuing to write research papers as the American Institute of Physics never alleged plagiarism against them and continues to publish their papers."

Of course, AIP has officially not only alleged plagiarism but did more:
see:
Here

Upon analysis of the above published article, the vast majority of the text can been attributed to nearly identical blocks of text in three sources that were not cited in the article [1-3], and to a fourth source that was cited but to which inadequate attribution was given [4]. The publisher, the American Institute of Physics, is thus issuing a retraction of this article.

Or here:
here

These cheaters do not know that Internet and computers which make it easy to cut and paste also make checking up on them easy too .... specially when 80% (of the first article) too 90% (for second article) are copied word by word. ..

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Mar 2010 03:36

Telegraph's K.p. Nayar writes

Grand Welcome For Pak General

...For almost this entire working week, anyone in Washington who has any interest in foreign policy — and that includes diplomats, think-tankers, journalists, overseas risk analysts and, of course, the entire US strategic officialdom — has his or her eyes and ears glued to one man: Kayani.

He is today the pivot determining America’s medium-term role in South Asia, the one foreigner who can, in the short term, considerably influence, via Afghanistan, Obama’s re-election as President in 2012.

A Pakistani delegation that includes its foreign and defence ministers, water, finance, agriculture and social issues advisers, secretaries for information technology, power, defence and foreign affairs — in short the nucleus of the government in Islamabad and the Army General Headquarters in Rawalpindi — is here, determined to alter the dynamics of Indo-Pak relations and US-India relations.....

The real threat to Indian interests from the talks may come from any US decision to fund any major hydel projects in Pakistan. That will create an American stake in Islamabad’s water disputes with New Delhi, which have ramifications for Kashmir because of the geography of the rivers. Having failed to get the US involved directly in the Kashmir dispute, this may be Kayani’s diabolical effort to do that by proxy.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Mar 2010 04:20

Pakistan ki kahani Najam Sethi ki zabani
(Pakistan's story by Najam Sethi)

Must Watch!
Part 1,2,3,4: http://www.dunyanews.tv/newsite/play_pr ... 5&pid=2207

On Youtube:
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmgdNd5z660
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfg_mmbvw9g
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It3IDrJaoMc

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 25 Mar 2010 04:39

Prem wrote:Delusionsal Mahishasurni Exhaling Strong Methane Fumes.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... hardball/1
Beware and play (Uncle's) hardball
SIRHEEN M MAZARI

If anybody had any doubts left about the depth of Jilebi madam's insanity, in this editorial she says TSP should demand that US offer them a civilian nuclear deal, and then once the offer is made, reject it.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 25 Mar 2010 04:49

Paquis should demand nothing less than US tax payer directly send money to paquis.Since it is their right to demand
everything under the sun. US citizen should consider Paquis as new IRS

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 25 Mar 2010 04:55

A 1% PST (Paki Sales Tax) would be reasonable

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 25 Mar 2010 05:09

^^^I know you are jesting..but please.. as it is too much of our taxpayers money has gone to that land.

Meanwhile White House has told the Pakis that Paki's shouldn't feel bad, and reason Obama has not "dropped by" (as he usually did when such talks with others go) because he was too busy meeting behind closed doors with Benjamin Netanyahu.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 25 Mar 2010 05:12

Pakistan still hopes for U.S. mediation on Kashmir

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 25 Mar 2010 05:22

Self Deleted!!

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 25 Mar 2010 05:25

Saw this on TOI, don't see it on Dawn, is this verifiable?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 718772.cms

http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2010/03/ ... s-lie.html

Do they even have temples in Pakistan for priests?

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 25 Mar 2010 06:10

Pakistan hopes for military presence in Afghanistan

Some quarters in Pakistan are guessing that the US may invite Pakistani forces to participate in operations inside the Afghan territory.

When Pakistan became a part of the war on terror immediately after 9/11, it could have gained a strategic upper hand against the terrorists hiding in our tribal areas by squeezing them from both sides of the Durand Line. But that never happened. We were reluctant then and we are reluctant now. See it from another angle: what is our biggest complaint against the foreign presence in Afghanistan? We have always complained against the rising Indian influence on our Western border. Had we been present in Afghanistan, this matter would have never arisen.

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 25 Mar 2010 06:23

AP wire:

US, Pakistan report only modest progress in talks

"Today, I am a happy man, a satisfied man," a beaming Qureshi told reporters at a news conference with Clinton after the session. "We have upgraded the dialogue."

Poor Qureshi. He does not know that expressing such effusiveness will quickly earn him a full frontal impalement into the long and sharp set of knives wielded by Madam Jalebi.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 25 Mar 2010 06:29

why do i get a feeling that load shedding in TSP is a tact. a tact meant to create an effect? was load shedding a phenomena before india got the concessions, for example?

realistically on the demand side what really has changed? has the pakistani society become more individualized? or have they started to improve their industrial output. at best they are all watching more jihadi cds and watching more of ZH. but does that translate to outages and capacity short fall?