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India-Pakistan dialogue up to leaders: US

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... +us--bi-05
Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, taking part in high-level talks which the United States hope will show goodwill, called for a “constructive engagement” by the United States on Kashmir.

Asked about his remarks, State Department spokesman Mark Toner said: “We've always welcomed dialogue and better relations between India and Pakistan including on the issue of Kashmir.

“But the pace, scope and character of that dialogue are really something for the Indian and Pakistani leaders to decide,” Toner told reporters.
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Amber G. wrote: .....
For those who do not know: IIRC - Dr. Ahmmad is known as a cheater and was fired from PU for cheating.
(CERN and the Abdul Salam International Centre for Physics among others put pressure on PU - Reportedly multi-million grant to the university was held up unless this cheaters were fired or forced to retire.

AIP (American Institute of Physics) withdrew their paper after finding massive fraud and "plagiarism" (aka word by word copying) and denounced them. It was in Paki papers too.
while on the topic of plagiarism .. acm also faced paki plagiarism

http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1041665
Cryptanalysis of some encryption/cipher schemes using related key attack
NOTE FROM ACM: It has been determined that the authors of this article plagiarized the contents from a previously published paper. Therefore ACM has shut off access to this paper.
here's another one with due apology letters written by the cheaters

http://www.schneier.com/paper-relatedkey-p.html

hell even the last two letters are copies of each others :) ..both say
The whole episode occurred because of temptations in a weak moment where we crossed the line.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Here's a first. Normally one would place this news item in the chini thread. But read on...India supporting Chinese dissidents
An NGO has been established by Indian spy agency RAW in Badakhshan to persuade Chinese nationals to join it, sources have revealed. They will be subsequently trained and sent to the Chinese province of Xingjiang for creating instability.
See the connection? Indian RAW in Pukistan/Afghanistan "persuading" disgruntled Chinese to "create instability" in Xingjiang. Read on....
To this end, Indians may produce fake identities and push these passport holders to China and later reveal it as proof of Pakistani origin Taliban involvement in Xingjiang.
It is learnt that these trained Chinese dissidents will be sent to Xingjiang province in the garb of businessmen through various routes to ensure their safe landing. India also aims to implicate Pakistani Taliban in these activities
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Bad India, good taliban!
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Negative starting note

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... rting-note
. Qureshi, who always undergoes a strange metamorphosis into a publicist for the US Administration whenever he is on US soil, showed continuity in this pattern of behaviour! Nevertheless it was a shock to hear him once again praise the Kerry Lugar Act on behalf of the Pakistani people who, according to him, valued the initiative. Clearly Mr Qureshi is neither in touch with the Pakistani people nor with the nation’s history, given how he talked of the great help the US had given Pakistan in its creation and so on. Not a word about the costs to Pakistan every time we forged a close alliance with the US, including the US turning to India in the early sixties despite the latter refusing to join the “free world” alliance as Qureshi referred to the US Cold War alliances (which shows how brainwashed he has been by US interpretation of history!)

The only substantive point made by Qureshi was a little whimpering about access to US markets for Pakistani goods, but that was one of the many critical issues on which Ms Clinton refused to comment, restricting herself to vague generalisations which do not serve our purpose at all.

So, the start of the dialogue shows no promise of any major breakthrough for Pakistan vis a vis the US. One can be an optimist and hope that the talks will yield some results this time round but in all probability promises will be made on some issues, including on nuclear cooperation, which will not see fruition - given not only the Obama administration’s own proclivities but also the US process which includes Congressional approvals. However, what is distressing is the subservient tone already adopted by Pakistan’s Foreign Minister that was apparent in his press statement with Ms Clinton.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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A soft corner for militancy

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... itancy-530

After the recent Lahore bombings, PML-N stalwart Saad Rafiq demanded a change in the policy on terror. Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif went further by imploring the militants to spare Punjab since his party had once shared common cause with the Taliban. Subsequent clarifications notwithstanding, a soft corner for militants continues to pollute the official resolve to fight militancy in the southern areas of the province.

In some ways the PML-N approach is reminiscent of the erstwhile Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal (MMA) policy in the NWFP, which nurtured militancy in its formative phase between 2002 and 2007. By delaying action, the seven-party religious alliance provided militancy the breathing space to turn into a monster. The MMA support for religious extremism held true to its ideological agenda, but that a supposedly secular political party in power is being soft on jihadi outfits in Punjab is a misfortune of considerable proportions.

How close the jihadi and jamhoori forces have come in Punjab was observed in the recent by-polls during which both the PML-N and the PPP came under fire for eliciting the support of banned outfits. This is, of course, in blatant disregard of popular mandates and a betrayal of the national cause for short-term parochial gains.

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Because of confusion at the top, the lower political cadre in Punjab has developed dangerous misperceptions. After the terror spree in Lahore, the provincial law minister Rana Sanaullah and many others blamed ‘Pakhtuns’ and ‘tribesmen’. Not only does such stereotyping upset people in the Frontier, it generates in Punjab biased public discourse that may ignite ethnic confrontation.

After the Lahore bombings a senior police officer defined militants in this manner: “Taliban is every such person who belongs neither to Lahore nor Pakistan — he is from the tribal belt.” Similarly, when a student was asked about the suicide bomber’s identity, she said “he was somehow like a Pathan”.

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The writer is a freelance journalist and teaches at the Department of Journalism, University of Peshawar.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Prospects for Pak-US ties
By Tariq Fatemi

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... s-ties-530
There is another, far greater, challenge for our leadership. Strategic relations with the US may well impinge on other vital linkages. Two are critical. With the US determined to engineer a ‘regime change’ in Iran, what would its expectations be from Pakistan? Finally, can we contemplate cooperating with the US in any initiative that could trouble our relations with China?

There could be reservations on the US front as well, once its interest in Afghanistan begins to wane. New and powerful lobbies have emerged in the US that are convinced of an inevitable clash of civilisation with Islam. While Obama has strongly repudiated such notions, its adherents see an affinity with the rapidly emerging Indian lobby in the US, which is acquiring an influence second only to Israel’s.

Apart from legitimate promotion of Indian interests, New Delhi’s favourite pastime is to malign Pakistan. It has no hesitation in turning up the heat on the Obama administration for any favour extended to Pakistan, as evident from its recent refrain that the Obama administration is not as sympathetic to India as was its predecessor.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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shaardula wrote:why do i get a feeling that load shedding in TSP is a tact. a tact meant to create an effect? was load shedding a phenomena before india got the concessions, for example?

realistically on the demand side what really has changed?
Shaardula, there is no doubt about power shortages in Pakistan and there is no doubt also about Pakistan grossly exaggerating the shortage (claiming 20 hours power outage everyday etc.) to earn American sympathy for nuclear power plants.

The shortages in Pakistan are due to many factors:
  • Two-thirds of the power plants are based on natural gas and oil. With uneven supplies from Balochistan and low pressure of gas most of the time coupled with high price of oil and withdrawal of concessions from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan is unable to run all its fossil-fuel based plants to full Plant Load Factor (PLF). The cost of generation is also high due to oil prices. The Iranian gas, if it materializes at all, is not going to help matters either as their price is also high. One of the conditions of the recent IMF funding was that electricity price will be upped by 50% before June, 2010. Pakistan has almost complied with that by raising the prices in two stages since last quarter. One more raise is imminent. The Zardari government has earned a lot of criticism for that.
  • The remaining one-third of the power is produced from hydroelectric plants at Tarbela, Mangla and Ghazi Barotha. The fluctuation in hydroelectric power generation is seasonal. It is lean season now and all storages have reached the Dead Storage levels with very little power generation therefore. Besides, the poor design of the Mangla & Tarbela have meant that the turbine blades are frequently damaged by the usually heavy silt load of the young Himalayan-mountain based rivers. There are frequent breakdowns and the plants do not run at full capacity even when the storage is high.
  • The GoP has been unable to build coal-based power plants using the deposits in Thar.
  • There is an excessive grid loss due to stealing and low tension & low technology grids and power dispatching techniques. This is what Hillary Clinton was hinting at, that Pakistan has to do a lot in its existing infrastructure that can give it immediate relief to some extent. Its installed capacity is only 20 GW.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Hate speech III

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=230743
Zaid Hamid, the self-proclaimed 'defence analyst' and a 'scholar' with innumerable other self-bestowed platitudes, has suffered from a number of humiliating setbacks recently. I wrote about this purveyor of hate speech, militarism and spontaneous fiction (conspiracy theories) nearly a year and a half ago, criticising him for hate-mongering and half-truths.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Expensive poultry and the chicken mafia

There has been continuous rise in poultry prices in the country, as the prices have risen two-fold from Rs 70-75 per kg to Rs140-145 per kg during last year. According to Chairman of Rawalpindi and Islamabad Poultry Association Naeem Abbasi, a mafia on behalf of some vested interest, was out to destroy the whole industry. He alleged that this mafia has also increased the prices of feed upto Rs. 180 per 50 kg bag as compared to last month.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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A 'Pakistan surge'

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=230744

While not reducing the importance of our dispute with India over Kashmir and water, these need a separate tripartite dialogue later.

Pakistan is getting only a fraction of the military support it should get. Comparatively, Afghanistan is budgeted much more for doing far less. Weapons and equipment desperately needed to continue our counterinsurgency operations include helicopters, night-vision devices, mine-resistant armoured carriers and laser-guided bombs. With Kayani and Pakistan's secretary of defence, Athar, in the government "A" team negotiating in Washington DC, the military wish-list can be quickly finalised.

Glaring deficiencies need overcoming and/or rectification for lasting economic stability. In a recent memo to the Executive Council of the American Business Council, IBM's Humayun Bashir noted that "energy shortages are choking. Pakistan needs short-term and long-term help in the following order: (1) onetime help to overcome circular debt, (2) rental power plants, (3) nuclear plants like India, and (4) water and hydel power (projects), Basha, etc." The Executive Council echoed his suggestions about (1) effective policing for better law-and-order enforcement, (2) job creation, with emphasis on the IT sector, (3) agriculture promotion in order to double the yield in five years, (4) effective healthcare, and (5) developing the railways as the transportation backbone to reduce freight charges.

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"The US-India nuclear accord has created a dangerous imbalance in nuclear détente with India that Pakistan has to address. Denying us cheap energy from nuclear plants makes no sense except cause hardship for our people." A nuclear energy deal may be on the table in Washington DC, the acid test of a long-term meaningful relationship will be if Pakistan gets a similar nuclear pact as with India. If correcting misconceptions about the US image is also an objective, there is nothing more effective for a positive public perception in Pakistan than a nuclear deal.

The Pakistani granary that currently feeds Afghanistan and other countries in the region can be enhanced many times over by giving agriculture top priority. Mechanisation aside, better storage facilities, farm-to-market access roads, irrigation canals, tube wells, etc., are all needed. Since cotton serves our textile industry, this cash-earner is what holds up the economy. We need free access to US markets. Trade, not aid! To be practical and realistic, instead of having ROZs, the entire Fata must be made a free trade zone. Challenging adversity with imagination will ensure economic activity both sides of the Durand Line. Providing means of livelihood will give the inhabitants reason to protect the means thereof.

Neither funded, trained or equipped to the standards required, our civilian law enforcement agencies badly lack the leadership and organisation necessary to confront our major challenge of terrorism. To quote my article "Countering insurgency and terrorism": "The army should not face another debilitating exercise 'in aid of civil power.' Their major mission is on our borders. A Counter-Terrorism Force (CTF) in Pakistan, officered by the army, must be developed on the pattern of the tremendously successful Anti-Narcotics Force (ANF) that almost eliminated poppy cultivation and drug smuggling. Using the ANF's existing structure as a nucleus, it should be converted into the CTF. What about reallocating $5-6 billion to form the CTF and replenish/refurbish the Pakistani army's capacity?"

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Our doctors are conceivably among the best in the world. :rotfl: Pakistan has, barring the odd exception, the worst healthcare :(( facilities in the world.

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Pakistan says it is 'satisfied' with U.S.
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Pakistan said Wednesday that it was satisfied with U.S. pledges, made during a day-long strategic conference in Washington, to increase and streamline the delivery of military and economic aid and to "move from a relationship to a partnership."
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^^ From the article posted above:
Pakistan arrived at the meeting with a 56-page list of "priorities," some of which, such as a civilian nuclear agreement similar to the one the United States has with India, were far beyond the scope of what the administration was prepared to give. Clinton merely said that she was happy to "listen and engage with our Pakistani partners on whatever issues the delegation raises."
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Gilani appreciates OIC’s support for resolving Kashmir dispute

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 010_pg7_21
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Airavat wrote:Pakistan hopes for military presence in Afghanistan
Some quarters in Pakistan are guessing that the US may invite Pakistani forces to participate in operations inside the Afghan territory.

When Pakistan became a part of the war on terror immediately after 9/11, it could have gained a strategic upper hand against the terrorists hiding in our tribal areas by squeezing them from both sides of the Durand Line. But that never happened. We were reluctant then and we are reluctant now. See it from another angle: what is our biggest complaint against the foreign presence in Afghanistan? We have always complained against the rising Indian influence on our Western border. Had we been present in Afghanistan, this matter would have never arisen.

But Pakistan did have a military presence in Afghanistan immediately after 9/11 and they would rather not mention it.

The ‘airlift of evil’
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Hard to separate terrorism and Pakistani nukes - Ambassador Howard Schaffer & Tereseita Schaffer

The Indian interviewer tries to equate India and Pakistan at every attempt and the Schaffers should have been amused by this.
Sample questions
Pakistan would want to avoid being in a pincer-like grip between India to its east and a pro-India Afghanistan to its West.
You believe that India and Pakistan could settle the Kashmir issue only if the two countries were led by strong leaderships. But nothing happened at the Agra summit. Is an amicable solution to the Kashmir issue possible that will include the aspirations of the Kashmiri people?
What are the factors responsible for this different American approach towards Pakistan and India on the civil nuclear agreement? Or is the A Q Khan effect?
What really drove off the Pakistani soldiers and intruders off Kargil heights? Was it the US diplomatic pressure or the Indian Army ?
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^^Teresita Schaffer was handling South Asian affairs when US started including the phrase "wishes of Kashmiri people" in every statement related to J&K.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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US to Pak: Lavish praise, modest aid

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 721442.cms
Lavish praise, modest economic assistance, and selective military supplies were laid out for Pakistan by the United States as it kicked off their high-profile "strategic dialogue" without immediately meeting Islamabad’s soaring expectations.

A $125 million energy sector aid and a slew of social sector projects that will bring Pakistan unspecified millions more was Washington's cautious first response to Islamabad's demand for a civilian nuclear deal and a bill for $35 billion it says it has incurred in the war on terror.

In a brief media appearance with her Pakistani counterpart Shah Mehmood Qureshi at the end of the first round of talks, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton deftly skirted around questions about the nuclear deal, saying "we will listen to and engage with our Pakistani partners on whatever issues the delegation raises," and adding, "We’re committed to helping Pakistan meet its real energy needs."

Those real energy needs do not involve going down the nuclear route.

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Other initiatives unveiled included
• upgrade significant road infrastructure in Pakistan’s Northwest
• concrete steps to help Pakistan boost exports of agricultural products and to improve agricultural infrastructure
greater market access for Pakistani products
approval of flight access for Pakistan International Airlines to Chicago, via Barcelona
• priority for setting up Reconstruction Opportunity Zone

At first glance, the assistance did not amount to much and no dollar figures were disclosed. But in the long run, market access, ROZs, and supply of military equipment, all of it premised on Pakistan’s continued stabilization, could add up to billions. It is also possible the two sides were holding back announcements pending Congressional and White House approval. More announcements are expected at the end of the talks on Thursday evening.

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Still none of this just yet meets the high expectations the team from Islamabad and Rawalpindi set out with, including persuading US to recognize Pakistan’s parity with India (by granting it a civilian nuclear deal), seeking U.S mediation on its issues with India, and demanding India’s sidelining, if not ouster, from Afghanistan. On these three issues, Washington remained largely unresponsive.

Asked about Washington's reluctance to play a role in Pakistan’s various issues with India, Clinton reverted to the familiar American position that it is up to the two countries to engage and the US could at best encourage dialogue between them. Pakistan’s complaints against India about its role in Afghanistan did not appear to have struck a chord with the US either.

"I think it's important to recognize that the United States has positive relationships with both Pakistan and India... we can’t dictate Pakistani foreign policy or Indian foreign policy," she said. "But we can encourage, as we do, the in-depth discussion between both countries that we think would benefit each of them with respect to security and development."

Qureshi on his part conceded that as a sovereign country, India has bilateral relations (with Afghanistan) and Pakistan respects that. "All we are saying that those relations should not be at the cost of Pakistan," he said, cryptically adding, "I'm confident that India will have to revisit its policy and very soon."

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Pak-Afghan Relations
Hits the Pakistani H&D hard
Since Pakistan’s foreign
minister does not control a substantial part of Pakistan’s foreign policy — the part that concerns Afghanistan and India — Pakistan’s army chief, General Kayani is also visiting Washington for a Pak-US strategic dialogue.
Pakistan was thus, if not a banana republic, a pistachio republic.
One of the country’s leading analysts, Syed Talat Hussain, dubs Afghanistan as Pakistan’s backyard (‘Pakistan’s new Afghanistan outlook’, Daily Times, March 18, 2010). Afghanistan is an independent state that boasts a great history. Seen in this context, how would Pakistanis feel if India tried to coin Pakistan as its backyard? How can Pakistan or, for that matter, any of Afghanistan’s neighbours be allowed to have a louder voice in Afghanistan than the country itself? One may suggest that any analyst who says so is hinting towards crude and anachronistic concepts like ‘strategic depth’.
One is at a loss to understand which comprehensive border planning Mr Talat Hussain is talking about when referring to the Pak-Afghan border? The entire 800 km Pak-Afghan border in the Pakistani Balochistan province has sparse Pakistani military presence and the Taliban from Kandahar, Helmand and Kabul — where the vast bulk of the US forces are stationed — move freely, back and forth. Here I am referring to the so-called ‘good’ Taliban.
The hard reality that the Pakistani establishment needs to understand is that the role of Pakistan may not be decisive or even central in Afghanistan’s future. Pakistan needs to concentrate seriously on its internal issues, which are social justice and equality.
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SSridhar wrote:Pak-Afghan Relations
From above article, it seems the author has predicted the feature of Afpak accurately.
One could hypothesise that Afghanistan might just prove to be Pakistan’s Achilles’ heel if Pakistan continues to interfere in Afghanistan’s internal affairs through proxy disturbances and wars. This may not happen in the immediate future, but when the US withdraws from Afghanistan or if the US decides to embark on another Afghan strategy that views Pakistan as part of the problem rather than a solution. As they say, history does not move in straight lines.
I think US can deal easily and comfortably with Balochistan than greedy and overambitious Pakistan. If US leave Afgan, it will increase confidence and bravado of Taliban and if any future spectacular attack on US will be the starting point of independent Balochistan and cease of Pakistan.
One is at a loss to understand which comprehensive border planning Mr Talat Hussain is talking about when referring to the Pak-Afghan border? The entire 800 km Pak-Afghan border in the Pakistani Balochistan province has sparse Pakistani military presence and the Taliban from Kandahar, Helmand and Kabul — where the vast bulk of the US forces are stationed — move freely, back and forth. Here I am referring to the so-called ‘good’ Taliban.
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From this night watch article mentioned earlier
First, all those judges of the superior judiciary who would validate any future military coup, as a number did under Musharraf, will be tried for high treason, as they would be seen as abettors in the crime. No court including the Supreme Court and high courts shall validate acts of high treason, specifically overthrowing the elected government.

Second, the powers of the President to appoint the services chiefs and to dissolve the National Assembly are finally being proposed to be returned to the prime minister.

The President will be stripped of the authority to remove or force judges into retirement because they oppose his decrees. This is intended to make the judiciary an equal branch of government with the Presidency.

One of the proposed changes makes it mandatory for the President to give his assent to any bill within ten days, instead of the existing thirty days, failing which the assent shall be deemed to have been given.
This is very significant, this is taking away power from zardari to give it to gillani! This is as significant as the transfer of nuclear command authority.
Now the the biggest obstacle to extension of kiyani is being removed! Looks like they are preparing for november in advance! Also it will strengthen the CJP chaudhary who is also a pakjabi.The pakjabi cabal is strengthening itself. gillani can then join hands with NS and dissolve the parliament at army's (or kayani's) behest, or even easier make him leave the PPP by taking up the unconstitutionality of the NRO by the CJP!

Unlike what the NWJ claims this is not a study in democracy righting itself, it is reassertion of the pakjabi feudal-army nexus, who dont like the Baloch Zardari one bit!

And by the way, the removing zia from history bit is just a grand way to package the deal that will bring about the next coup!
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Remarks With Pakistani Foreign Minister Makhdoom Shah Mehmood Qureshi After Their Meeting

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2010/03/138996.htm
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^^ It seems like being in control of Pakistan while remaining out of the public eye suits Kayani just fine. Maybe he will be a Wazir instead of being the king.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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I read the book Military Inc by Ayesha Siddidua yesterday in one sitting, pretty engrossing and shocking to know how much the military is involved in Bakistan! She mentions a parent guardian relationship that the army has now come into in Bakistan. This is what you are suggesting I think!

One thing Kayani has done is to reduce the main points of public contention towards Mil Inc. He reduced the number of officers in places of power! (Note reduced not abolished. With just some info needed from any officer in seat in the company and just a phone call to stop a decision unfavourable to the army, you dont need officers at all places.)

I also found it strange the number of people from the armed forces or related to armed forces either as family or as an economic dependent that are there in media. Ikram sehgal was prominently mentioned as having different ideology from the armed forces even though he was an officer! Gobar (gohar ayub) was also mentioned along with some of his businesses! Also Hamid gul and his daughter's business.

I was shocked to know that their armed forces directly benefitted from the import of sugar from India. Also that their banks (banks owned by armed forces) are a major source of money laundering!

Read the book for its sheer information treasure!

It was mentioned that the Sharif brothers have taken a lot of help from these businesses of the army, especially Shahbaz sharif for governance in Pakjab, and that their business had mostly risen due to the help of the army. This would have indeed rendered that close to the army! Considering that neither the army chief nor the sharif brothers like mushy, it is pretty much plausible that they installed zardari only to buy time and regroup, improve their own images and tarnish zardari's.
PPP is also closer to US which forced the regime change and Zardari amenable to US threats especially on his overseas accounts, so that along with the sympathy vote got him installed as president!

Now the general feels he is in a comfortable seat as shown by the recent display of power in giving extensions (which also consolidates his position in the army), calling ministers to the GHQ, going to US to dictate foreign policy and the transfer of NCA to gillani, along with these changes proposed. All that needs to be seen now is what unfolds between now and november, when he is supposed to be retiring.
Even if he doesnt do a coup, he has placed the army in a higher position in comparison to other political players in Bakistan

Interesting quote in the above mentioned conference from FOREIGN MINISTER QURESHI:
The other thing, the civil-military relations today in Pakistan are excellent
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abhishek_sharma wrote:US to Pak: Lavish praise, modest aid

"I'm confident that India will have to revisit its policy and very soon." [/b]

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I herd the above quote on the telly this morning and his tone in which he said it was not the tone of a diplomat. It made my skin crawl.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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^^ Pakis can't be diplomats.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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K Mehta wrote:This is very significant, this is taking away power from zardari to give it to gillani! This is as significant as the transfer of nuclear command authority.
K.Mehta, these are parts of the 'Charter of Democracy (CoD)' that Ms. Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif agreed upon before they decided to jointly oppose Gen. Musharraf in c. 2007. Pres. Zardari is now being forced by circumstances to implement what was agreed upon three years back, after successfully procrastinating on these since c. 2008.

Besides, the power to appoint the COAS, appoint judges and dismiss provincial assemblies were usurped from the Prime Minister by Gen. Musharraf through the Legal Framework Order (LFO) of August 24, 2002.

These have now gone back to the rightful claimant as per the 1973 Constitution.

In any case, the appointment of COAS has never been completely under the control of the PM, Defence Minister and Secretary, MoD alone. The incumbent COAS almost always had a big input. Kayani has been very particular that senior Army appointments are his and only his prerogative as recently proved by the extensions he gave to ISI Chief and various other Lt. Generals. The PM was merely informed. The Defence Minister did not even have that privilege of being informed.

Unlike India, where the Secretary MoD, a civilian appointee, who has enormous sway over the Chiefs of Armed Forces, in Pakistan, that position is always held by a Retd Armed Forces Officer (mainly Army) whose sole job is to ensure that nothing happens behind the Army Chief's back in the corridors of political power.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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ramana wrote:Telegraph's K.p. Nayar writes

Grand Welcome For Pak General

The real threat to Indian interests from the talks may come from any US decision to fund any major hydel projects in Pakistan. That will create an American stake in Islamabad’s water disputes with New Delhi, which have ramifications for Kashmir because of the geography of the rivers. Having failed to get the US involved directly in the Kashmir dispute, this may be Kayani’s diabolical effort to do that by proxy.
So as the Kshtrapy of Pakistan crumbles, the emperor is sending more and more of his forces, military and civil to maintain the province himself?

Is THAT it?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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His tone, mannerisms, fake accent and general performance was laughable - he belongs in a pantomime.

Pratyush wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:US to Pak: Lavish praise, modest aid

"I'm confident that India will have to revisit its policy and very soon." [/b]

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I herd the above quote on the telly this morning and his tone in which he said it was not the tone of a diplomat. It made my skin crawl.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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SSridhar wrote: K.Mehta, these are parts of the 'Charter of Democracy (CoD)' that Ms. Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif agreed upon .These have now gone back to the rightful claimant as per the 1973 Constitution. Kayani has been very particular that senior Army appointments are his and only his prerogative as recently proved by the extensions he gave to ISI Chief and various other Lt. Generals. The PM was merely informed.
Yes, but I think this serves a dual purpose, while it might fulfill the demands in CoD, it also weakens an already weak Zardari. Moreover, gilani doesnt either have the guts to stand up to the mil or is in cohorts with them or both. So any empowerment of gilani over zardari is going to be favorable to the tspa!

These things mentioned below show consolidation of kayani's power
giving extensions (which also consolidates his position in the army),
calling ministers to the GHQ,
going to US to dictate foreign policy and
the transfer of NCA to gillani.
While some power is being taken away from kayani as well, in the current scenario it doesnt mater much (IMHO), as long as the power is with gilani, who can be controlled through pakjabi cabal, army doesnt loose much by the transfer to gilani.

In any case the next coup will suspend the constitution, so all these changes are merely measures to improve army's standing in public, that it was magnanimous to allow such concessions!
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sunnyP wrote:His tone, mannerisms, fake accent and general performance was laughable - he belongs in a pantomime.
That's very correct. Add to that the 'arrogance' bit and exaggerated facial contortions. It completes the description. He also went on to say the following which proves the BR assessment.
“I was at the Hill yesterday. The mood was completely different. I say it publicly. I was at the Senate, I was at the House. It’s a 180-degree difference. You know, we have turned the corner. And today, there was confidence. There were no question marks. There was no suspicion. There was no ‘Do more.’ There was recognition of what we already had done."

Let me share with you that today at the State Department, we had a PPP conference. Let me qualify that – public-private partnership conference,” Mr. Qureshi said.
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Amber G. wrote:Pakistan says it is 'satisfied' with U.S.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/24/AR2010032403090.html
Pakistan said Wednesday that it was satisfied with U.S. pledges, made during a day-long strategic conference in Washington, to increase and streamline the delivery of military and economic aid and to "move from a relationship to a partnership."
(W Post article, click on image to see)
The image that went with the above report shows Shah Mohammed Qureshi in very close proximity to Ms. Hillary Clinton while possibly holding a glass of champagne, should invite the wrath of the Pakistani clerics. One remembers Ms. Nilofar Bakhtiar being hounded out and threatened for hugging her paragliding instructor.
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The Phoenix Flops
One more hard-hitting anti-ZH blog in DAWN

The murder FIR against ZH has emboldened everyone it seems.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Interesting that Kayani was "part of the delegation" during a visit by the smug Shah Mehmood of the Meccan Quraysh, don't you think? Why was it not a prime ministerial visit of which both the shah and Kayani were part of the delegation?

Gillani has an IQ optimistically estimated at between 100-110. He is completely hopeless with the media (both English and vernacular, but less so with the latter) and is only semi-competent at best. And his English is, well, far from what the Paks need to get their ego massage. The catastrophic trip he had to the US in the past was more than enough from the Army's perspective. He is a good mouthpiece locally.

Shah Mehmood is a good mouthpiece internationally. He has that air of smug finger-waving superiority and entitlement that the Paks love, and a face that fits. He is TFTA, and looks very presentable in a suit. (Compare him to SM Krishna and his ridiculous wig and you know what I mean). This sort of thing makes the Pak establishment happy, and the military thinks as a result that it is doing a good job of improving and enhancing its image with the paymaster - i.e. the US.

The problem is that Shah Mehmood is like an over-aggressive hooker, makes you uncomfortable, although you're not sure why. He probably thinks he carried off that press conference superbly, and I fear that some on BRF might as well. But watch the body language and the language itself - overconfident, assertive, demanding, and even patronising of their hosts and paymasters. This sort of thing does not go unnoticed. He is, in reality, nothing more than a well-dressed and reasonably articulate beggar - the Americans know it, the Indians know it, and anyone who's interested in the world knows it. But as for the Paks, either they don't know it, or worse, know it and think this is nevertheless the way to go.

A supplicatory visit such as this should ideally have been low-key, purely fact based and result oriented, and media shy. Instead we have this grandstanding gigolo wannabee, posing as if he was doing the Americans a favour by accepting their money. These things make a difference, and had we some flies on the wall in the State Department and Pentagon back rooms you will hear unending dismissive sniggers and snorts about these neo-feudals and every little obstacle that can be put in the way of the Pakis getting what they want will be.

On the other hand, the Paks don't really care that much - they are only interested in maintaining the financial relationship in a sustained, if not entirely predictable, manner. And they will do this the only way they know how: by constant moves such as the one now underway to "improve their image" in the US, while supporting the Taliban and Al Qaida to ensure that the US never reaches a state where they are satisfied that peace has arrived in Afghanistan. They will keep the killing zone alive. More Americans will surely die.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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abhishek_sharma wrote:^^ Pakis can't be diplomats.
And vice-versa. Diplomats can't be pakis.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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jrjrao wrote:"Today, I am a happy man, a satisfied man,"
It doesn't take much to satisfy a paki. Remember duspercenti's meeting with Sarah Palin?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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abhishek_sharma wrote:^^ From the article posted above:
Pakistan arrived at the meeting with a 56-page list of "priorities,"
Also this gem:
Gen. Ashfaq Kiyani, the powerful army chief of staff, was clearly the star of Pakistan's delegation, if not its official leader.
The more things change in pureland the more they stay the same.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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The problem is that Shah Mehmood is like an over-aggressive hooker, makes you uncomfortable, although you're not sure why. He probably thinks he carried off that press conference superbly, and I fear that some on BRF might as well. But watch the body language and the language itself - overconfident, assertive, demanding, and even patronising of their hosts and paymasters. This sort of thing does not go unnoticed.
:lol: :lol:
He really did come across as a fake with that put-on accent and exaggerated movements of the hands and head.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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ramana wrote:
Telegraph's K.p. Nayar writes

The real threat to Indian interests from the talks may come from any US decision to fund any major hydel projects in Pakistan. That will create an American stake in Islamabad’s water disputes with New Delhi, which have ramifications for Kashmir because of the geography of the rivers. Having failed to get the US involved directly in the Kashmir dispute, this may be Kayani’s diabolical effort to do that by proxy.
Really? Why?

Apparently the author doesn't think an average person will understand the complicated reasoning in arriving at that conclusion. "Trust me, it's that way" should be good enough for the common people.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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:lol: :lol:
He really did come across as a fake with that put-on accent and exaggerated movements of the hands and head.
He will be a perfect actor, for any side role, in any of Ekta Kapoor's Serials. :lol:

Let the unkil get out of afganistan once. There is no guarantee that any power in afganiatan preset at that time will be friendlier to pakis. The best pakis can do is get as much out as possible form unkil till than.

Thats why, I think it suits pakis prefectly as long as the unkil is in afganiostan. This guarantees two things

1. Non stop flow of money and arms from unkil to pakis
2. Full proof guarantee that india will never take any military action or even covert action against pakis after a major terrorist attack.
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