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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Unless there is a secret gift to the Pakis of a fully armed SSBN that is hidden inside Qureshi's shalwar, this bunch of Pakis risks getting lynched on their return home.

The Pakis are famous for calling donations and gifts as peanuts. What word are they going to use, to describe the piddling outcome of this shindig?

U.S. pledges millions in aid to Pakistan
WASHINGTON – The United States on Thursday announced tens of millions of dollars of aid to Pakistan, for roads and power plants....The announcements came as two days of high level talks wrapped up in Washington.

Part of the $40-million in road aid will go to the former Taliban stronghold of the Swat valley, along the country's northwest frontier with Afghanistan.

The U.S. will also sign an agreement Thursday to provide $51-million to upgrade three thermal power plants in Pakistan.

U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Jack Lew called the road aid a tangible sign of the long-term partnership with Pakistan.

"We are pleased to work with the government of Pakistan to build roads and improve the security and livelihoods of the people of Pakistan," Lew said.

Pakistan Finance Minister, Salman Siddique, who attended the State Department signing ceremony with Lew, predicted the U.S. assistance would help change attitudes toward the U.S. :rotfl: "I think it is time that the image of the United States in the eyes of the people of Pakistan improve and it can only do so through direct intervention," Saddique said. "And I don't think the people have any qualms on looking towards American help and American support in rebuilding their lives ...."
I can just see a fulminating Jalebi Shrilleen going on, screaming to the little pieces of Qureshi as they sit impaled on her shish kebab skewer: "we sent you to DC to bring back Kashmir and 3 new nuke plants, and all that you and Assfaq could do is to bring back a bucket of asphalt..." :((

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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One of my Friend (Paki obviously)... made this video... nice watch with popcorn.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 960&ref=mf

Don't know if the youtube version exists!!
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Lamentable attitude of law enforcers : No trace of 12-year-old Hindu girl abducted in December

KARACHI: A 12-year-old Hindu girl missing since December has not been traced by the Karachi police so far.

According to Roshni Research and Development Welfare Organisation (RRDWO) President Muhammad Ali, the kidnapped minor Nandini was allegedly abducted by an influential individual named Younas.Despite hectic efforts and meetings with Senior Superintendent Police (SSP) Investigation zone West-II, and letters to the concerned authorities in Sindh, the girl has not been recovered and the accused has not been arrested though an FIR No 242/2009 has been registered against him under section 365B in Police Station Super Market Karachi.It is not the only such case as dozens of similar cases are pending and awaiting justice to be dispensed to the victims and their families. It has been observed in such cases that police only provide lip service and do not seriously hunt down the criminals. In case they are arrested, they are released from the courts as the police present a weak case and no potential evidence before the courts.Expressing his concerns and giving reference of the kidnapping case of a 17-year-old Hindu girl, Ali said the Asian Human Rights Commission has also expressed its serious concern that four men, who allegedly assisted on January 24, 2010 in the kidnapping and rape of the girl have been granted pre-arrest bail by a session court. Rape is a non-bail able offense in Pakistan and this is against criminal procedure and the law, he said.Instead of giving justice to the victim’s family, the police later arrested the victim’s father on a false offense, and have obstructed attempts by the family to file an FIR and obtain a medical report, disclosed the RRDWP president. Moreover, members of an illegal tribal court have reportedly proposed that the victim should marry her rapist and convert to Islam. Whereas, the victim has threatened public self-immolation if the perpetrators are not arrested and brought to justice by the authorities, he said.“Not arresting the rapists and rather forcing a Hindu girl, who is a rape victim, to convert to Islam and be the wife of the culprit could be double trauma for the victim. It is another form of further victimising a woman,” said Ali.
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Pakistan and U.S. Pledge to Work Together

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/26/world ... olicy.html
Pakistan and the United States wrapped up two days of high-level talks on Thursday, with a raft of economic development initiatives, an agreement to hasten deliveries of military hardware and a promise to put their often mistrustful relationship on a new footing.

In a communiqué issued after the talks, the countries said they would “redouble their efforts to deal effectively with terrorism” and would work together for “peace and stability in Afghanistan.

Administration officials said Pakistan was likely to get swifter delivery of F-16 fighter jets, naval frigates and helicopter gunships, as well as new remotely piloted aircraft for surveillance missions. But the United States was silent about Pakistan’s most heavily advertised proposal: a civil nuclear agreement similar to the one the Bush administration signed with Pakistan’s archrival, India.

Given Pakistan’s history of selling nuclear technology to Iran, Libya and North Korea, such an agreement would realistically be 10 or 15 years away, a senior administration official said Thursday. Still, the administration was careful not to dismiss the idea out of hand.

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Although Mrs. Clinton deflected a question about civil nuclear cooperation, she said, “We’re committed to helping Pakistan meet its real energy needs.”

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“The question is, can you move somewhere toward giving legitimacy to a Pakistani nuclear program?” said Daniel S. Markey, senior fellow for India, Pakistan and South Asia at the Council on Foreign Relations. “Is there space between a civil nuclear deal and just saying ‘no’?”
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U.S.-Pakistan Strategic Dialogue at the Ministerial Level March 24-25, 2010

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2010/03/139015.htm

Office of the Spokesman
Washington, DC
March 25, 2010

Following is the text of a joint statement by the United States and Pakistan on the U.S.-Pakistan Strategic Dialogue.

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U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi, accompanied by high level delegations, met in Washington on 24-25 March 2010 for the U.S.-Pakistan Strategic Dialogue.

In conformity with the importance that both the United States and Pakistan attach to taking further steps to broaden and deepen their comprehensive cooperation and to further fortify the friendship between the two peoples, the Strategic Dialogue was elevated to the Ministerial level.

A Policy Steering Group was established to intensify and expand the sectoral dialogue process in the fields of: economy and trade; energy; defense; security, strategic stability :evil: and non-proliferation; law enforcement and counter-terrorism; science and technology; education; agriculture; water; health; and communications and public diplomacy. Sectoral meetings will be held in Islamabad soon.

Both sides exchanged views on the status of bilateral cooperation and decided to continually provide strategic guidance for strengthening U.S.-Pakistan partnership in the 21st Century for realizing the aspirations of their people.

They reiterated that the core foundations of this partnership are shared democratic values, mutual trust and mutual respect. A stable, enduring and broad-based cooperative partnership is in the fundamental interest of both countries. Both the United States and Pakistan are determined to foster goodwill and friendship between their people and engage in mutually beneficial cooperation.

Secretary Clinton paid tribute to the courage and resolve of the people of Pakistan to eliminate terrorism and militancy. Both sides acknowledged the common threat that terrorism and extremism posed to global, regional and local security. Pakistan expressed its appreciation for U.S. security assistance. Both governments committed to redouble their efforts to deal effectively with terrorism and to protect the common ideals and shared values of democracy, tolerance, openness and respect for fundamental freedoms and human rights.

Both sides exchanged views on measures to enhance Pakistan’s inherent capacities to realize the vision of a democratic, progressive state, committed to socio-economic advancement and to effectively address political, economic, development and security challenges.

The United States re-affirmed its resolve to assist Pakistan to overcome socio-economic challenges by providing technical and economic assistance and to enable Pakistan to build its strengths by optimal utilization of its considerable human and natural resources and entrepreneurial skills.

The United States committed to work towards enhanced market access for Pakistani products as well as towards the early finalization of Reconstruction Opportunity Zones legislation. The two governments decided to discuss issues related to the Bilateral Investment Treaty in order to stimulate investment in Pakistan.

The United States and Pakistan discussed creating an investment fund to support increased foreign direct investment and development in Pakistan. Such a fund could provide much needed additional support for Pakistan’s energy sector and other high priority areas.

The United States recognized the importance of assisting Pakistan to overcome its energy deficit and committed to further intensify and expand comprehensive cooperation in the energy sector, including through the Signature Energy Program.

Recognizing the crucial importance of water for human survival and development, both sides decided to add a separate sectoral track in the Strategic Dialogue to focus on water conservation, watershed management and U.S. assistance in water projects.

Pakistan expressed its appreciation for U.S. assistance for socio-economic development that would contribute towards improving the lives of the people of Pakistan.

The two sides comprehensively shared perspectives on regional and global issues. Both reaffirmed the importance of advancing peace and stability in Afghanistan and the region.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi reaffirmed their commitment to a wide-ranging, long-term and substantive strategic partnership between the United States and Pakistan.

To carry forward this process, the next meeting of the Strategic Dialogue will be held in Islamabad co-chaired by Secretary Clinton and Foreign Minister Qureshi.
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U.S. and Pakistan Sign Letter of Intent on Support for Construction of Priority Roads in Pakistan to Aid in Malakand Reconstruction

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2010/03/139014.htm

Office of the Spokesman
Washington, DC
March 25, 2010

Deputy Secretary of State Jacob J. Lew and Pakistan’s Finance Secretary Salman Siddique today signed a letter of intent regarding cooperation in construction of priority roads in Pakistan to aid in Malakand Reconstruction. Implementation of the construction project is scheduled to begin following the signature of an Amended Letter of Agreement between the Government of the United States and the Government of Pakistan and the obligation of funds. The project will consist of $40 million in United States assistance to upgrade two key roads: the Peshawar Ring Road and the road from Kanju to Madyan in Swat, North West Frontier Province.

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The U.S and Pakistan: It's All Talk

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... s_all_talk
For Pakistanis, the latest talks between the United States and Pakistani officials in Washington, D.C. are just a repeat of what they've seen played out on their television screens so many times before. Even with the addition of the new chief of army staff, General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani, to the delegation, a wide-ranging agenda, and renewed commitment to partnership from both sides, most Pakistanis do not see a change in the status quo.

After it was announced that the United States would provide aid for power plants in Pakistan, a right-wing colleague of mine remarked: "Why don't we just hand over our country to [the United States] now." On local television stations analysts have been speculating that Kayani's inclusion is a sign that the military and the government are putting up a united front is hard for most Pakistanis to believe, as is the impression Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are working hard to promote -- that U.S.-Pakistan relations are taking a turn for the better.

Perhaps to give the impression that they are a key player in the region, Pakistan has gone along with a long list of U.S. demands, from acquiescing to the Coalition Support Funds to paying for the support for thermal power plants on the list. Ayaz Amir, a member of Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz), the second largest party in the parliament, told me over the phone "I think we've set our expectations too high and our wish list is a bit too wishy-washy. We should've focused on one or two specific areas. Instead we've gone in with unrealistic expectations. These talks are no different from previous phases in our history, so we should not be carried away :(( with this."

Cyril Almeida, a columnist at the daily newspaper Dawn, said during a phone interview, that during these talks we will likely see Pakistan making a push for what's already on the table -- for example support for the war against militancy, aid, infrastructure development, etc. "There's nothing new that you would expect either to announce, or nothing new that either side will learn about the other side. However, it is important whenever they meet, but at the same time, I don't see it as being a deal changer."

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According to Almeida, "From the Pakistani perspective, what is more important is that General Kayani is now increasingly comfortable with a high profile public role in Pakistan's foreign policy. From giving briefings to the media, chairing a meeting with the country's foreign secretaries and being seated in meetings with the Prime Minister, he is becoming uncomfortably comfortable in his newfound role as the "go to person" on Pakistan's foreign policy."

At the end of the day, even if the United States promises the moon (which it won't), and even if the Pakistani government comes back empty handed, or laden with promises, the situation in Pakistan will remain the same. Even with a lull in recent terror attacks, Pakistanis are braced every single day for the worst to happen. The current electricity shortfall in the country is now at 5,000 megawatts, meaning electricity cuts off from anywhere between 4 - 12 hours a day. Prime Minister Gilani is promising the world to Pakistanis at the moment, saying the delegation will discuss everything from power plants to Afia Siddiqui's case. The media wing of Pakistan's army -- the Inter Services Public Relations -- sends daily dispatches reporting such events as: "X number of militants was killed in army operations in the tribal areas," in an attempt to show that all is well in the country.

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Huma Imtiaz works as a journalist in Pakistan.
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Pakistan satisfied with US nuclear talks

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ukes-hs-03
Pakistan's foreign minister said on Thursday his delegation had “very satisfactory” talks with Washington on civilian nuclear cooperation and that the case of a Pakistani scientist was “behind us.”

Pakistan is pressing for a nuclear cooperation arrangement similar to one its key rival India has with the United States but Washington has so far been reluctant to enter into any formal talks on the issue.

Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi told Reuters in an interview that meetings with US officials on nuclear cooperation, nonproliferation and export controls had gone well.

“I am quite satisfied with the discussions we had,” Qureshi said when asked about the nuclear cooperation issue. “I would not like to expand on it at this stage.”

He added that “the talks were very satisfactory” but declined to specify the kind of cooperation Pakistan sought.

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Pakistan questions India's concerns over nuclear deal

http://www.hindu.com/2010/03/26/stories ... 941600.htm
Pakistan on Thursday questioned the concerns expressed by India over the possibility of a United States-Pakistan civil nuclear deal and referred to a 2008 statement by the former External Affairs Minister, Pranab Mukherjee, to expose the frequent shifts in the Indian position.

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Further, Mr. Basit noted that Mr. Mukherjee had in 2008 said that India was in favour of Washington cooperating with Islamabad in the civil nuclear area.

“In respect of civil nuclear cooperation between Pakistan and the U.S., we would like to encourage civil nuclear cooperation — its full use of nuclear energy — as we believe every country has its right to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes,” Mr. Mukherjee had said in Washington.

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Army ready to forgo hardware, focus on energy needs: Kayani

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... kayani-630
Army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani said on Thursday that the military was willing to forgo its requests for hardware to ensure that Pakistan’s energy and economic needs were met.

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“I told Senator John Kerry and Senator Richard Lugar that in order to make sure that Pakistan’s economy and energy needs are met, we are willing to forgo the military equipment that we have asked for,” he said.

“The most important concerns for Pakistan today are economy and energy and we have emphasised that with the American administration that these are the needs that need to be met,” he added.

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So their only demand is uranium.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Can not see this posted so far - (checked three of the relevant threads!)
"It is all about undermining Karzai": Pakistan's "New" Relationship? from The Huffington Post. It is an interview with Christine Fair. Will post Afghanistan related comments in appropriate thread. Here are a couple on pakistan -
Both sides walk away thinking, on the Pakistani part, "Boy these guys are suckers," and the Americans walk away saying, "Boy these guys are a dishonest bunch of rats who think we're stupid."
The truth is, Pakistan is handing over select members of the Quetta Shura, actually now more pertinently called the Karachi Shura, has a lot more to do with Pakistan's own interest in trying to preserve them in Afghanistan, than it does any sort of contrition over supporting the Taliban
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Gagan wrote:The remaining parts of the Najam Sethi story of Pakistan have now been uploaded on the Duniya TV website. Parts 1-4 posted earlier. (All 8 parts available here)
http://www.dunyanews.tv/newsite/play_pr ... 9&pid=2207
Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBchxZGJbWE
Part 7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZtoCkMdMRc
Part 8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHN_IeOyRUE

In parts 6-8 NS talks mostly of the current situation in Pakistan, relations with massa, internal situation.

Najam Sethi owes me a big one for posting and popularizing his video series on BRF. :D
Not a single mention of China, not even a word.....
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From the transcripts of the Press Conference
First, we are cooperating to boost economic development on a number of tracks. Deputy Secretary Lew will sign a letter of intent to upgrade significant road infrastructure in the Northwest. We are taking concrete steps to help Pakistan boost exports of agricultural products and to improve agricultural infrastructure. As the foreign minister said today in our opening dialogue, 60 to 70 percent of the people of Pakistan rely on agriculture. And therefore, we ignore agriculture at our peril. You cannot have prosperity if you do not go to where the people live and work, how they make an income, how they feed themselves and their families.

And we are continuing to work for greater market access to our markets for Pakistani products. {This is the GSP+ access that Pakistan has been demanding from the US. GSP is a WTO accepted mechanism that allows a country to exempt another, usually a developing country from some import tariffs that otherwise are applied uniformly on other nations from whom imports are made. This would make the imports from a GSP country cheaper thereby giving it more market access. Pakistan is already a GSP country for the US. Pakistan's current argument is that because of its participation in GWOT, it has suffered economically a great deal and therefore it needs a GSP+ treatment to compensate for those losses. The US seems to accept that argument. The import tariff on Pakistani textiles is now 11.3% and this may be completely waived. This will essentially mean that Indian textile exports to the US will appear costlier vis-a-vis Pakistani exports. Pakistan hopes to double its textile exports to the US within a year under GSP+. In addition to GSP+, the US also wants Pakistan to setup Reconstruction Opportunity Zones, ROZs, in certain areas of Pakistan such as FATA, Settled Areas of NWFP, earthquake-affected areas of PoK, and Balochistan in the fond hope of weaning away potential terrorists by offering them economic opportunities. Pakistani government is expected to setup industrial parks in these places with assistance from the US. The American PEACE Act recognizes many types of textile units as eligible for ROZ assistance. Pakistan has been arguing to allow ROZs to be established in other areas as well such as Karachi & Lahore as the remote areas lack infrastructure for industrial parks as well as enhancing the range of eligible products. This is a surreptitious way to gain undue market advantage defeating the spirit behind the PEACE Act and the ROZ concept.} We continue to collaborate on plans for new water projects, and we’re looking forward to the completion of a transit trade agreement between Pakistan and Afghanistan that we believe will benefit both countries. As I told the foreign minister, we appreciate Pakistan’s renewed commitment to sustained economic reforms that will provide a foundation for long-term prosperity.

We are working together to ensure that Pakistanis have access to affordable and reliable power, which is essential to funding economic development. When I was in Islamabad in October, we announced a signature energy program, and tomorrow, USAID Administrator Shah and Secretary of Water and Power Rafi will sign implementation agreements for three thermal power station rehabilitation projects that will provide more electricity to more people.

We also discussed the importance of working on a multiyear basis with regard to resource planning. I was pleased to inform the foreign minister that our goal is a multiyear security assistance package, including foreign military financing, based upon identified mutual strategic objectives, which would further strengthen our long-term partnership with Pakistan. We, of course, will work closely with Congress to further develop this commitment.

The United States also remains committed to social protection efforts, such as the Benazir Bhutto Income Support Program for families in vulnerable areas. And we will launch a women in development agenda in our next round of dialogues in Islamabad.

Finally, I am pleased to announce the approval of flight access for Pakistan International Airlines to Chicago, via Barcelona, making it easier for business travelers and families to strengthen the ties between our two countries.
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abhishek_sharma wrote:Army ready to forgo hardware, focus on energy needs: Kayani

So their only demand is uranium.
The shortfall in Pakistan's power is roughly 6 to 7,000 MW. This can be easily managed with about two Super Thermal Projects using coal from Thar or even imported coal. The cost will be cheaper than the unreliable hydroelectric plants and oil or gas based plants. Pakistan's demand for nuclear energy is either simply a ruse or the outcome of a hurt ego or both.
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FO seeks to hide unease over nuclear snub :((

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=27991
Pakistan put on a brave face on Thursday, refusing to publicly express its disappointment at being ignored by the US, which refused to give any indication that Pakistan was being considered for a civil nuclear energy deal.

Maintaining a stiff upper lip, the spokesman at the Foreign Office, during a weekly media briefing, admitted that the issue was part of the “unprecedented” dialogue and when asked directly, replied: “I think it would be inappropriate to see this (strategic) dialogue process only in the context of a nuclear deal. This dialogue is, as I said earlier, all-encompassing and broad-based. It has many dimensions and energy is one of the areas that are under consideration.”

Hopes were raised unnecessarily by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani that “good news” would soon emerge from the ongoing Pak-US strategic dialogue, in the backdrop of statements by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who did not rule out consideration for a civil nuclear energy deal and a timely statement by China (member of the Nuclear Suppliers Group) on the eve of the dialogue, saying it supported the Third World countries’ right to civil nuclear energy.

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Brave new world or the past revisited?

Ayaz Amir
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=230950
If there's a cross on which Pakistan has found itself frequently crucified, it is the one carrying the legend 'strategic'. What follies have we not committed in the pursuit of strategic goals? Even our present preoccupation with terrorism is a product of our strategic labours in times past (hopefully, never to return).

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We have been here before, travelled down this route many times, our obsessive insecurity driving us time and again into American arms, each time to be left high and dry when the initial enthusiasm, or necessity, had passed. But we never seem to learn and each time begin our quest for the holy grail -- of permanence in our American connection -- as if there were never any heartbreaks before.

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The 'strategic dialogue' is thus not pegged to any abstract love for Pakistan. It arises from the grim necessity of the war in Afghanistan. We should be under no illusions about the window of opportunity that this dialogue offers. This window will remain open and serviceable only up to the moment when the Americans begin withdrawing from Afghanistan. To assume otherwise, and give way to misplaced euphoria -- something at which we are rather good -- is to court the ways of folly and set ourselves up for another 'betrayal' at American hands.

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But what is this we are hearing about the shopping list prepared under his aegis? Which world are we living in? Which planet does GHQ still inhabit?

We have just a year and a half, not eternity, to get what we want from the US. It behoves us ill to ask the US to help restart our composite dialogue with India. If India is playing hard-to-get on this count, we should be able to keep our cool and wait for India's attitude to change. Even if the composite dialogue doesn't get going for the next two years, the glaciers will not melt and the Himalayas will not march down to the seas.

We should be mature enough to understand a few things clearly. America is not going to ask India to talk Kashmir with us. It is not going to solve our water problems with India. It is not going to give us the kind of nuclear deal it has concluded with India.

To go by the hype generated in official quarters, it almost appeared as if we were expecting a string of nuclear power plants from the US. And what happens? Hillary Clinton announces a gift of 125 million dollars to set up thermal power plants. A colder splash of water on the fires of our misplaced ardour could not have been poured. What Burke said of England in the context of America's war of independence: "Light lie the dust on the ashes of English pride" -- we can use to define our predicament: light lie the dust on the embers of our strategic relationship.

Sooner or later we will have to discover the reasons for this talent for selling ourselves cheap. We have always behaved thus in our dealings with the US, assuming obligations unthinkingly, never asking for the right price and then moaning about betrayal and the like when the Americans, taking us at our word, leave us with very little.

Mobarak got Egypt's American debt (7 billion dollars, and this was in 1991) written off when he joined America's first Gulf war. The Turks asked for 25 billion dollars to allow American troops territorial passage prior to the Iraq war in 2003. That the US refused is beside the point. The Turks did not allow themselves to be taken for granted. We settle for peanuts and call it a 'strategic relationship'.

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We should have been gunning for something tangible. We are a debtor nation, strapped for cash. It is money we should have been asking for. In concrete terms, a writing off of all our debt. A one-point agenda, clearly stated and firmly put, without all the mumbo-jumbo of a 'strategic relationship'. Water, energy, India and Afghanistan were best left out of our wish list, more an exercise in fantasy than anything to do with the real world.

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But for all its slickness under Kayani, GHQ, alas, remains trapped in the morass of its old conceits and prejudices.

So the old questions remain: how to emerge from the darkness into the light? How to manage Pakistan's affairs better? Most important of all: whence will come the liberation of the Pakistani mind? One thing is for sure: not from GHQ.

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^ TSPA are trying to manufacture success from NoKia visit. Army has taken a beating, this is an attempt to recover lost echandee, but then again every move bakis make is about echandee. :mrgreen:
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Paki expect to double their textile export with imported Indian Cotton ?
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg5_3
PakiHe said Indian cotton exports might nearly double in the year ending September 2010 riding a recovery in the global demand and availability of significant surplus, which would support prices.“India should be able to export about 7 million bales of cotton, we have surplus due to excess output over consumption,” said Sheth.The world’s second biggest producer exported about 3.8 million bales in the year to September 2009, sharply lower than 8.5 million bales in the preceding year, government data showed.“We have a large carryover stock and are expecting a good harvest, so buyers from other countries will be looking at India for regular supplies,” he added.
India’s cotton output in the year ending September 2010 is estimated at 30.5 million bales, higher than last year’s estimated final output of 29 million bales expect to double Textile export with imported cotton from India?
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Pak-US talks a good beginning

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=230954
The optics after the first round of the strategic dialogue in Washington are better than the results announced.

If ever a picture said a thousand words, it was that of a beaming Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Pakistan's foreign minister, and the American secretary of state, Hillary Clinton. No stiff body language here; much camaraderie, many words of friendship.

The results at first glance appear meagre: a few energy projects, assistance for the Benazir Income Support Programme and a fast track to some military hardware. Also, an apparent firm no to nuclear power plants, and hands off on an American role in promoting India-Pakistan dialogue.

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But there is obviously more to it than meets the eye.

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First, why is Pakistan vital to US interests in this region? On two levels, the possibility of honourable settlement for it in Afghanistan hinges on Pakistan's cooperation.

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Secondly, the conflict in Afghanistan is not of a kind where a straightforward military victory is possible. The fighting can only prepare the ground for a political settlement that allows the Americans to declare victory and leave. Pakistan has a role in both.

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The much-maligned strategic depth concept, in its current formulation, is nothing more than an Afghanistan friendly to Pakistan.

This is where India's presence in Afghanistan becomes an issue for Pakistan. As long as the current state of hostility exists between the two, Pakistan fears that India would make every attempt to turn the Afghans against it. It would also use its presence to foment trouble in Balochistan and, in a manner of speaking, encircle the country.

As an occupying power in Afghanistan, Pakistan believes, the United States can restrict Indian presence in that country. It can also ensure that no anti-Pakistan activity takes place on Afghan soil. This includes denying sanctuary to Baloch dissidents like Brahmdagh Bugti.

The India-Pakistan rivalry has thus become an important subplot for the US in the Afghan situation and in the region as a whole. Pakistan wants to leverage this to make India move forward on the composite dialogue process and on Kashmir. The US has been doing precisely that, without acknowledging it publicly.

Pakistan also wants the US to accept its nuclear status and conclude an arrangement similar to that it has with India. This is a tricky area and may not happen, but it helps to seek some alternatives, such as a nuclear power plant or conventional armaments. At least on the arms side, it appears that some progress has been made.

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Reports are that the next phase is likely to be in April, and probably in Islamabad. My guess is that this will not be as high-level as the current meeting, but more detailed, and will get into nuts and bolts. It is only then that the final contours of any long-term strategic partnership will become visible.



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72,000 TB cases emerge every year in Sindh’
( Wonder how many are women as they are kept away from Sun,fresh air)
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -sindh-430

Health experts estimate that about 300,000 new cases of TB, including 72,000 in Sindh, emerged every year in Pakistan, while the rate of patients who leave the treatment halfway through is between six and nine per cent in the province. They believe that the disease can be controlled through timely diagnosis and proper treatment. Sources in the Sindh TB control programme said that on an average 45,000 TB patients got themselves registered for treatment with the government centres concerned in the province every year, while another 12,000 patients were handled by general physicians and specialists in the private sector
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Power, promise and people

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=230947
The repeat US promise of $125 million (still a promise) for the power sector in Pakistan coincides with the first major riot of the summer, in the Azad Kashmir town of Mirpur, where people protesting power cuts clashed with the police. Forty were injured. We hear that following the violence WAPDA has exempted Mirpur from loadshedding.

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The US commitment to aid in the energy sector is therefore crucial, but it needs to be translated in action urgently. We can anticipate scenes of considerable violence in many places in the country. It is quite clear that public patience has run out and people are not willing to simply sit and swelter. The consequences of this can be a great deal of destabilisation. One of the issues that will, and indeed should, arise over the coming days is how the US aid should be used. The money that will, at sometime time in the near future, be deposited in government bank accounts, is intended to bolster thermal power plants. We need open discussions by experts on how this can be used to improve power generation to benefit people across the country. Of course nuclear-powered plants could have achieved this more efficiently, but the US secretary of state has made it quite clear that an agreement on this is not likely anytime soon. :((

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Gagan wrote:The remaining parts of the Najam Sethi story of Pakistan have now been uploaded on the Duniya TV website. Parts 1-4 posted earlier. (All 8 parts available here)
http://www.dunyanews.tv/newsite/play_pr ... 9&pid=2207
Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBchxZGJbWE
Part 7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZtoCkMdMRc
Part 8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHN_IeOyRUE

In parts 6-8 NS talks mostly of the current situation in Pakistan, relations with massa, internal situation.

Najam Sethi owes me a big one for posting and popularizing his video series on BRF. :D
Najam Sethi could have been a brfite. Tells the truth but is helpless. Towards the end of the last video a caller compliments him and asks him why he does not mention the rest of the "truth" about Pakistan that he does not talk about. Sethi laughs at him and says that he will be martyred and that the program will end if he does that.


Two points

1) What is jhumuriyat? What is siyasat saal?

2) The Ursu SMSes are sent in English text. The anchor reads them from left to right.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Holding Pakistan

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ ... g-pakistan
Summary: Conventional wars are won by capturing territory, but counterinsurgencies are won by holding it. Rather than rushing to open new fronts against the Taliban, Pakistan must now focus on keeping the territory it has already cleared.

HAIDER ALI HUSSEIN MULLICK is Fellow at the U.S. Joint Special Operations University, Research Fellow at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding, and the author of Pakistan’s Security Paradox: Countering and Fomenting Insurgencies. His website is www.haidermullick.com.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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shiv wrote: Two points

1) What is jhumuriyat? What is siyasat saal?

2) The Ursu SMSes are sent in English text. The anchor reads them from left to right.
Jamhuriyat = democracy
siyasat = politics
It could have been siyasat-daan meaning politicians
I have not watched these videos so I could wrong wrt the siyasat thing.
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kenop wrote: Jamhuriyat = democracy
siyasat = politics
It could have been siyasat-daan meaning politicians
I have not watched these videos so I could wrong wrt the siyasat thing.

Could have been "political years/rule" as opposed to military years. I think I heard "siyasat saal" at least twice.
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abhishek_sharma wrote:
T people are not willing to simply sit and swelter.
:rotfl: Words of the air-conditioner owning class!! With a Prophet like Zaid Hamid (PBUH) you can be sure that the air conditioner owning classes of Pakistan think they are "common man" of Pakistan
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Picture of Meccan Koresh and Hillary:

http://static.indianexpress.com/m-image ... ington.jpg
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Pakistan's nuclear reactor likely in operation

http://www.hindu.com/2010/03/26/stories ... 151800.htm
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America's Pakistan Strategy - Edit in The Hindu
Excerpts
There is no reason for India to be alarmed over the newly launched U.S.-Pakistan strategic dialogue. There is no need to worry, as some have begun to do, that this week's talks in Washington mark the beginning of a new phase in the re-hypenation of Delhi and Islamabad.
On all of these counts, Pakistan's delegation will have to return empty handed. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who led the U.S. side in the strategic dialogue, promised help in increasing the efficiency of Pakistani energy and water utilisation; but she was clear and forthright in emphasising the importance of bilateral dialogue between India and Pakistan in the quest for solutions to outstanding issues.
Mediation and other forms of interference are non-starters and the U.S. knows this. But in its search for an exit route from the quagmire of Afghanistan, the Obama administration is in danger of becoming over-dependent on Pakistan. This is where the danger for India, and, ultimately for the U.S. and the rest of the international community, lies. The presence of Pakistan's army and intelligence chiefs at the strategic dialogue underlined the abnormality of the situation.
Despite this, a solution is now being sought by valorising and even strengthening the role of this establishment at the expense of Pakistan's civilian structures of governance. If it was clear that the military had learnt its lessons and decided to change course irrevocably, the American approach might have some merit. But the continuing links between the army and the ISI, on the one hand, and terrorist groups like the Lashkar-e-Taiba, on the other, are too well-known to ignore. The U.S. knows this and is using the strategic dialogue as a lever to influence Islamabad. The danger, of course, is that the lever may work the other way.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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SSridhar: Even if Pakis get greater concessions for textile exports, they still have a big problem or two that need solving first. One, unless their textile manufacturing units are wholly abdul-powered (or donkey powered), they are going to have trouble manufacturing the actual items due to lack of electricity. Second, every time there is a bit of trouble in Karachi, angry abduls tend to burn down warehouses along with the local KFC franchise. Hence there is no guarantee that the exports will be delivered on time or even at all.

With such manufacturing difficulties, they are going to have problems attracting US buyers even if their goods are a slightly cheaper. A lot of US buyers have been burned before and they'll need a heck of a lot of goodwill freebies thrown in by the Paki manufacturers before they even decide to purchase.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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^
I have seen more "Made in Bangladesh" T-shirts in Massa. In fact I am wearing one, as I type this. :mrgreen:
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pgbhat wrote:^
I have seen more "Made in Bangladesh" T-shirts in Massa. In fact I am wearing one, as I type this. :mrgreen:
i got one too.

not bad quality either and purchased at a very reasonable price.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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4 security officials martyred, 30 terrorists killed

26 Mar 10 10:24 AM
ORAKZAI AGENCY: Four security officials including a Lieutenant Colonel martyred and 30 terrorists have been killed on Friday.

Official sources said that terrorists attacked on security camps in tehsil Kalaya and Feroz Khel. These attacks left four security officials martyred including Lieutenant Colonel Anwar Abbas. Six security men also wounded.

At least 30 terrorists including two foreign terrorists were killed when the forces retaliated.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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It has begun, as expected.

That is -- the Pakis feel they got blanked in DC, and so they now need to do their standard nautanki.

Pakistan reinforces troops on Indian border
Published: March 26 2010 05:08

Pakistan has sent extra troops to its border with India, saying rising tensions with its neighbour prevent it from expanding its military campaign against Taliban militants on its western border.

Islamabad’s envoy to London told the Financial Times that assertiveness by New Delhi was sapping his country’s ability to fight Pakistani Taliban militants. :rotfl: He said Islamabad had been unsettled by pressure on its eastern border created by the building of military cantonments close to the sensitive frontier over the past year. :rotfl:

“This is taking away from our defence capabilities on the Afghan border,” Mr Hasan said. “We really wish the international community would intervene, but nobody has said anything to the Indians." :((

Pakistani officials said the number of troops the army had deployed was modest and declined to give details, though the reinforcements are estimated to be in the hundreds.

"This is more of a political and diplomatic problem rather than a strategic one,” said a western diplomat based in Islamabad. “Every time Pakistan has to defend itself on criticism for gaps in its campaign, they bring up India. The campaigns in Waziristan cannot be expanded because of India, for example, is one issue".

“We have enough problems of our own on our eastern border,” said Mr Kasuri (Khurshid Kasuri, a former Pakistani foreign minister). “We are concerned about India. Resolve the problems with India and then [our security orientation] could change.”
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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The "Hindu" will be saying "nothing to worry" even if war breaks out!The paper's attitude is that India must be a peacenik "Gandhian" nation and alllow China to become Asia's imperial power.


Here's the first western interview with India's "most wanted" for 26/11.The swine denies everything.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 28001.html
The United Nations placed Saeed on its list of wanted terrorists a month after the attacks of November 2008, as the founder of Lashkar-e-Taiba — the Army of the the Righteous. America and India blame the group for the Mumbai massacre, three assaults on Delhi, the deaths of 211 civilians in a train bombing in Mumbai in 2005 and last month’s suicide attacks on Kabul.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 076922.ece
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Islamabad’s envoy to London told the Financial Times that assertiveness by New Delhi was sapping his country’s ability to fight Pakistani Taliban militants. :rotfl: He said Islamabad had been unsettled by pressure on its eastern border created by the building of military cantonments close to the sensitive frontier over the past year. :rotfl:
Man, the Pakis are truly predictable!!!

Expect a major incident in India soon.. :x :x
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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Folks; help me out with this one. Why are there terrorist attacks in Pakistan? I mean the question seriously.

As I see it there exists the following varieties of Inner Pakistanyat on display which I do understand.

1) General inner Pakistaniyat, admirable law and order, peaceful neighborly disputes.
2) Factional, Pure sunni's trying to spread the light to shia's, ahmadia's etc
3) General Sindhi, and Mohajir bhaichara with PakJabi establishment, pappi-jhappi etc
4) The TFTA FATA regions giving a warm welcome to the SDRE visitors from Pakjab etc.
5) Baloch's still trying to discuss the terms of treaty merging into Pakistan.

Phew, a long list for a moth eaten rag of a rentier state.

However, I do not understand who does all the IED mubaraks in PakJab, elevating hundreds of pure marital PakJabi to jannat ?

LeT, TTP, Hetmatyar?

What is their motivation? What do they want to achieve? (I understand what the these guys are trying to achieve when they do that sort of stuff in India, since they are so kind to call our media and explain exactly, taking great pains about it)

But why in purest part of the land of the pure bhai?

Just revenge and frustration? Or more? Any strategic goals or aims? Messages? Purpose?

I never really saw this discussed on BRF, so I ask.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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ArmenT wrote:One, unless their textile manufacturing units are wholly abdul-powered (or donkey powered), they are going to have trouble manufacturing the actual items due to lack of electricity.
Very true. However, the textile industry earns 70 to 80% of the Foreign Exchange earnings of Pakistan and employs the maximum number of people after agriculture. With the tightening of the belt by the 3½ friends and an uncertain aid future, the Pakistanis do not want to concede space to fierce competition from India, China, Bangladesh & Indonesia. However, the galloping inflation and consequent higher wages and input cost and the shortage as well as high cost of power, coupled with stagnating (and even declining) cotton output (due to largely declining water availability) mean that Pakistan is losing its competitive edge especially after the abolition of country-wise quota system in c. 2005. They are using this opportunity to protect themselves for the future. Besides, even amidst crippling power crunch, the textile sector gets favoured in supplies as very large feudal interests are involved. Just look at the number of textile industries that Mian Nawaz Sharif saheb runs. By Pakistani standards, he is not a big-time feudal, having acquired the feudal status not very long ago. As for electricity, by May/June, the supply will become better.
With such manufacturing difficulties, they are going to have problems attracting US buyers even if their goods are a slightly cheaper. A lot of US buyers have been burned before and they'll need a heck of a lot of goodwill freebies thrown in by the Paki manufacturers before they even decide to purchase.
True. Political instability, societal chaos and the ever increasing terrorism mean that not only foreign investors but also foreign traders would be wary of dealing with Pakistan. Pakistan is furiously lobbying with textile lobbies in the US and there seems to be some effect though. The same is the case in the EU. Will have to wait & watch.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers ... r3732.html
Such has been the servile attitudinal reflexes of those US apologists close to the Indian policy establishment that they are now preaching that India like the United States, should invite Pakistan Army Chief, General Kayani to India for talks to enable move forward of the peace dialogue.
Do we know who are these people asking for a dialogue with Kiyani?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

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A lot of nuggets in TFT on false prophet & false analyst Zaid Hamid.
Zayd Hamid as terrorist

Jihadi-Deobandi newspaper Islam reported that a committee of Deobandi ulema in Karachi had declared that TV orator Zayd Hamid was the killer of Maulana Jalalpuri and demanded that he be arrested. They also stated that Zayd Hamid was the disciple of the false prophet Yusuf Ali and threats to Maulana Jalalpuri had come from the telephone of a follower of Zayd Hamid for three days running. The caller had also targeted Maulana Jalalpuri’s booklet titled ‘Rahbar kay Roop mein Rahzan’.

Zayd Hamid and universities

Daily Islam reported that after Maulana Jalalpuri had written the book ‘Rahbar kay Roop mein Rahzan’ against Zayd Hamid, the latter started receiving tough questions from his audiences. When Hamid tried to invite himself to universities and colleges the students began to resist because of the booklet penned by Maulana Jalalpuri, including in Faisalabad. This led to the targeting of Maulana Jalalpuri in Karachi.

Zayd Hamid and ‘mubahila’

Reported by daily Islam Maulana Akram Toofani said that Maulana Jalalpuri was killed by Zayd Hamid because the Maulana had written a treatise against him titled ‘Rahbar kay Roop mein Rahzan’ after which Hamid had threatened the Maulana through a disciple called Doctor on telephone numbers 0321-5518350 and 0315-5518350. The Doctor had invited Maulana Jalalpuri to a mubahila (curse contest) with Zayd Hamid after which, if Hamid lost, a bullet would be entered into his head; and if Maulana Jalalpuri lost, he would be shot through his head.{Like the duels for honour of good ol' days}

Perfidious dhoti-clad India

Columnist Khalid Ahmad quoted the chief editor in Nawa-e-Waqt to say that the Quaid had declared Kashmir to be Pakistan’s jugular vein but India had not even recognised the body of Pakistan. Now it was making an issue out of water for which Pakistan can go to war with India. We will never become slaves of the wearers of dhoti (dhoti-posh).
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