Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

Akshut · Post by **Akshut** » 26 Mar 2010 22:47

About the emphasis on road construction in Pakistan by America, specially the roads in NW pakistan. Is it because US wants better access to CAR, so they must have linked roads from NW Pakistan to Turkmenistan and others. But will it be feasible to transport oil & pressurized gas from CAR to Arabian sea via road, than pipeline?

Edit: There is also a transit trade agreement between Pakistan and Afghanistan that we believe will benefit both countries, according to US.

vina · Post by **vina** » 26 Mar 2010 23:10

.g., in this document, it is written that in Pakistan you can open a business with 0 capital.
In India you need 210.9% of the per capita income (of $1,066), i.e., $2248.19 is the minimum capital needed to open a business.

Someone knowledgeable may perhaps dissect the claims of this report?

This is rubbish. You can open a sole proprietorship or a partnership in India with zero capital. You of course need to get a local sales tax/service tax/VAT /TIN no, that is all, costs a few hundred rupees max, all inclusive you can do it in Rs2000 or less, even if you go via an accountant in a place like Bangalore.

The Rs 1,00,000 is the minimum capital required for a PRIVATE LIMITED COMPANY where you need to get two directors minimum and follow the whole nine yards in terms of audit and financial statements and everything on a quarterly basis , and all that is governed under the Indian Companies Act! .

Nothing stops you from opening a business in india for zero capital if you are doing a business as a sole proprietorship or even a partnership. Anyways, even the PVT ltd company is no big deal, it is really not as difficult as it is made out to be and plus you have LLP structures as well in India now.

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 26 Mar 2010 23:50

Today is Jumma..No IED mubaraks

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Mar 2010 23:52

A_Gupta wrote:Opening a company in Pakistan
http://www.doingbusiness.org/ExploreTop ... nomyid=147

If starting a business was this easy in pa'astan, how come everybody and his uncle are not rushing into that land of the pure to start one?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Mar 2010 00:06

Sanku wrote:Folks; help me out with this one. Why are there terrorist attacks in Pakistan? I mean the question seriously.

Sanku-ji

They are doing to TSP what TSPA does to Massa.

TSPA conducts terrorist activities within and without to show its importance in GWOT. JEM type guys do that in TSP to show thier relavence to TSPA.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 27 Mar 2010 00:35

Altair wrote:Heads up
The following news item IS from Israel. It has no reference of Pakistan. But if you read the article,you will know why I posted here.
After Mumbai.this style of attack can be expected from Pakis anytime now. They must do something spectacular very soon in India to justify their troop enhancements to eastern border.

Al Qaida stages hit-and-run motorcycle attacks

TEL AVIV — Al Qaida-aligned fighters believed trained by Iran have begun using a novel tactic in the guerrilla war against Israel. Israeli military sources said Al Qaida-aligned militias, termed Salafists, have begun adopting tactics used by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps in the war against Israel. They said Al Qaida squads were using motorcycles to stage hit-and-run attacks on the Israeli border with the Gaza Strip.

In March 2010, Al Qaida squads conducted at least two motorcycle attacks along the Israeli border. On March 19, six men on motorcycles penetrated the Israeli border and fired rocket-propelled grenades and automatic weapons toward a military patrol.

Within a minute, the Al Qaida squad drove back into the Gaza Strip. Israeli units failed to block the retreat.
Terrorists are copycats.If something works they will test it somewhere else too. India is a definite target. We must surely be prepared.

Admins: Please move to appropriate thread if out of place. Thanks.

this method was used in the american centre strike in kolkata.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Mar 2010 01:48

RamaY wrote:
Sanku wrote:Folks; help me out with this one. Why are there terrorist attacks in Pakistan? I mean the question seriously.
Sanku-ji

They are doing to TSP what TSPA does to Massa.

TSPA conducts terrorist activities within and without to show its importance in GWOT. JEM type guys do that in TSP to show thier relavence to TSPA.

Some posters do that here also.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 27 Mar 2010 02:10

ramana wrote:
RamaY wrote:"Sanku">> Folks; help me out with this one. Why are there terrorist attacks in Pakistan? I mean the question seriously.
Sanku-ji

They are doing to TSP what TSPA does to Massa.

TSPA conducts terrorist activities within and without to show its importance in GWOT. JEM type guys do that in TSP to show thier relavence to TSPA.

Some posters do that here also.[/quote]

On a more serious note, thanks for the answers folks. Pakistani's trying to achieve a greater sense of Pakistaniyat? That is certainly possible, but would need greater exploration. For example what Paki's are trying to achieve by being Paki is well known (Dollars, confusion, strategic space etc etc..) What do the terrorists in Pakistan trying to achieve? Seriously? Also what data points or examples back up that particular theory?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Mar 2010 02:32

The topic is explored further here:

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... &start=160

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 27 Mar 2010 02:39

ramana wrote:The topic is explored further here:

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... &start=160

Thanks Sir.

archan · Post by **archan** » 27 Mar 2010 03:25

pgbhat wrote:^
I have seen more "Made in Bangladesh" T-shirts in Massa. In fact I am wearing one, as I type this.

Be careful. I used to not mind buying a piece of clothing that had a "made in Bangladesh" tag on it until I read on a paki forum that some of their exporters are putting that label to sell their products as the "made in pakistan" label is not exactly good for selling stuff. I will never buy anything with a made in Bangladesh label again, as I don't want even a tiny part of my money going to TSP even by mistake. I know it is not very fair to the legitimate Bangladeshi businesses (and I have nothing against them), but I have no way to make out where it was made.
As I always say, go Honduras! I often buy stuff made there.

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 27 Mar 2010 03:34

Another Paki from Chicago caught doing what Pakis do best.

Chicago taxi driver charged with aiding terrorist

Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:39pm EDT
(Reuters) - A Chicago taxi driver was arrested on Friday and accused of sending money to a Pakistani militant with al Qaeda ties and of planning to bomb a U.S. sports stadium, authorities said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62P53220100326

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 27 Mar 2010 06:03

Pakistan daily says that economic crisis is likely to worsen

IMF tranche to be further delayed
With clouds of suspicion already lurking, Pakistan's economic crisis are likely to worsen as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) has plans to delay the fifth tranche of $1.2 billion, Business Recorder has reliably learnt.
"This tranche could be further delayed for another two months", says a source privy to the issue.
...
the {foreign} institutions are closely monitoring country's reform path and do not look upbeat. Hardly any major loan is approved in last two quarters from major donors and Friends of Pakistan are proved lesser friends in recent months, which did not honour their pledges leaving country's economic malaise in a further mess.

link

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 27 Mar 2010 06:20

The abject shamelessness, groveling, and escapist reasoning is a Pakistani trademark. This journalist, Nadir Hassan working for Newsline magazine in Pakistan, displays all of it in an article on why Pakistan should get a nuclear deal:

A population that is contented, it is said, will never strap on suicide vests. Solving Pakistan's power crisis, a source of great exasperation for many Pakistanis that is getting progressively worse with each passing year, should be a priority in Washington.

The first statement itself is wrong; ideology and not poverty is the motivator for soosai attacks. Secondly, why is it Washington's job to solve Pakistan's power crisis? What is their own government doing? Of all the billions given in the last decade by Washington to the Pakistan army, how much has been invested in the power sector?

And thirdly, banking on nuclear energy to solve the present power crisis is escapist reasoning, since even in India it will take nearly 50 years of investments and infrastructure development before nuclear power can contribute a substantial portion of total energy requirements.

The conclusion by this journalist really takes the cake:

Pakistan might not "deserve" nuclear technology given its illegal past proliferation. By that standard, Pakistan also didn't ‘deserve' vast amounts of U.S. military aid to fight the Taliban considering its previous support for the regime.

You said it buddy, Pakistan DOES NOT deserve either military aid, or economic aid, or a nuclear deal.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 27 Mar 2010 06:32

And providing nuclear energy may be the cheapest, most efficient way to deal with this crisis.

Pakinomics

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Mar 2010 06:58

Holbrooke not welcome in India

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 730119.cms

New Delhi’s doors, it appears, will not open anytime soon for Richard Holbrooke, US special envoy for Af-Pak. He has been frozen out of India yet again, after his recent statement that Indians weren’t really targetted in the February 26 attacks in Kabul.

It was a callous remark that was so blatantly aimed at pleasing Pakistanis that the Indian foreign office was forced to make an official complaint about it. Particularly, since it was evident from the beginning that the attack was intended to get India out of Afghanistan, and by Pakistan-supported terror groups. So when Holbrooke announced on March 20 that he would “definitely be going to India soon”, he got the familiar cold shoulder from the MEA. Holbrooke was supposed to travel to Kabul and Delhi in the coming days, stopping by in Brussels.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 27 Mar 2010 07:05

Pakistan nuclear ambitions give US leverage

"There is no reason why we couldn't use this as a bargaining tool to get more cooperation, to say, 'This may not be something we can deliver now, but we would like to work something out with you,'" he said. "It could have a very positive impact both with the Pakistani elite and public."

arun · Post by **arun** » 27 Mar 2010 07:09

Jamie Glazov editor of Frontpage Magazine interviews Vijay Kumar, who is running for the U.S. Congress as a Republican candidate from Tennessee.

The interview extensively covers Jihadi Islamic terrorism targeting non Muslims.

Reproduced below is an excerpt dealing with Vijay Kumar’s view of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in particular:

The Wrong Way to Fight Jihad

Posted By Jamie Glazov On March 26, 2010 @ 12:04 am In FrontPage.

……………………The real power behind Universal Jihad, in all of its manifestations, lies with the Pakistani ISI–the intelligence services of Pakistan–along with the Pakistani military, the Pakistani feudal elite, and the Islamic theological leaders. As a nation-state, Pakistan exists for two reasons: its pathological hatred of India and Hindus, and its parasitic dependence on American aid. Their leaders’ battle cry is always “Islam in danger” when they want to stoke the fires of Jihad, and of course Muslims are commanded by the Quran to go forth immediately when called to fight by their Islamic leaders.

Make no mistake: you can only solve the problem of Afghanistan when you address the problem of Pakistan, because Afghanistan is a client state of Pakistan. And you can only solve the problem of Pakistan when you address the problem of Saudi Arabia, because Pakistan is a client state of Saudi Arabia. ……………….

Read it all at Frontpage Magazine:

The Wrong Way to Fight Jihad

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Mar 2010 07:27

Give Pakistan a nuclear deal

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... clear_deal

Pakistan might not "deserve" nuclear technology given its illegal past proliferation. By that standard, Pakistan also didn't ‘deserve' vast amounts of U.S. military aid to fight the Taliban considering its previous support for the regime. But international politics doesn't work on the principle of treating countries like schoolchildren. Give Pakistan the civilian nuclear deal and leave the demerit-badges-for-past-performance idea for the Boy Scouts.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Mar 2010 07:36

abhishek_sharma wrote: Give Pakistan the civilian nuclear deal and leave the demerit-badges-for-past-performance idea for the Boy Scouts.

er. if Pakistan does not merit being treated like a boy scout why is Pakistan behaving like a petulant child who needs a sweet to stuff his mouth to stop his tantrum?

On a different note. Check the name of the author and see the reach that Pakistan has in the media. They may not have engineers of doctors - but the have influence. The sort of education these Paki supporting media people have is just not considered an honorable education in India.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Mar 2010 07:40

Other gems from the article

By attaching the condition that all nuclear materials and technology provided under the agreement be monitored by the Americans, the U.S. government will gain greater knowledge of Pakistan's nuclear know-how. The Pakistani government, though, would have to spin such conditions to patriotic Pakistanis by boasting that Pakistan has been offered the same nuclear deal as the one given to India. The desire for parity with India should override questions of sovereignty, especially if the deal comes with a guarantee that Pakistan's existing nuclear capabilities will remain untouched and unmonitored. In the long run the United States could help avert the next regional war

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 27 Mar 2010 07:53

abhishek_sharma wrote:Give Pakistan a nuclear deal

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... clear_deal

By Nadir Hassan, March 26, 2010

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 27 Mar 2010 08:03

commercially non-viable railway tracks shut down

Minister of State for Railways, Afzal Sindhu said during question hour that the total length of closed sections is 1498 kms including narrow gauge, meter gauge, and broad gauge:

Baluchistan: Bostan-Zhob, Sibi-Khost.

NWFP: Kohat-Thal, Mari Indus-Bannu, Lakki Marwat-Tank.

Sindh: Mirpur Khas-Nawabshah, Tandoadam-Tharushah, Nawabshah-Sakrand, Padidan-Tharushah-Mehrabpur.

Punjab: Mandra-Bhaun (North Punjab i.e. Potohar), Khanpur-Chachran, Keora-Dandot, Bahwalnagar-Fort Abbas (South Punjab i.e. Seraikistan), Narowal-Chak Amru, Pind Dadan Khan-Khoshab, Miani-Bhaira.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 27 Mar 2010 08:05

abhishek_sharma wrote:Give Pakistan a nuclear deal

already posted above

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 27 Mar 2010 08:43

Perhaps that shockingly unsentimental exposition by Vijay Kumar should be deleted before the Board has a piskiological contortion of cognitive dissonance.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Mar 2010 09:23

Ms. Farhat Taj on a Pakhtun prespective of the Pak-US Strategic Dialogue

Days before the Pak-US strategic dialogue in Washington on the issue of terrorism, a grand tribal jirga was held in Peshawar. The jirga was participated in by civil society members, lawyers, doctors, students, minorities, tribal leaders and elders of the anti-Taliban peace committees and representatives of anti-Taliban political parties, the Awami National Party (ANP), the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), the Awami Party (AP) and the National Party (NP). Each and every political agency of FATA and district of the Pakhtunkhwa province was well represented. The participants included women and religious and sectarian minorities. As defiance of the Taliban’s ban on music and dance, the jirga commenced and ended with traditional Pakhtun dances and music.

The jirga members categorically expressed the apprehension that the strategic dialogue would come out with a short-term and selective solution of terrorism. The solution would be aimed at sparing some terrorists, targeting others, shaking hands with some and leaving the helpless people of FATA and the Pakhtunkhwa province at the mercy of the Pakistan Army and its intelligence agencies.

The two key causes of terrorism identified by the Peshawar Declaration are: strategic depth policy of the military establishment of Pakistan; and the Arab expansionism embodied by al Qaeda under the garb of global Islam. To end terrorism, the policy of strategic depth has to be given up and al Qaeda has to be crushed.

Killing or capturing al Qaeda terrorists may not be a difficult task. To give up the strategic depth idea would be a great deal of work. This implies that targeted military operations have to be undertaken in several parts of Punjab, like Muridke, Jhang, Dera Ghazi Khan, Rahim Yar Khan and Bahawalpur, etc. The Punjab-based militant organisations that are banned, but continue to function under new names, have to be really banned and crushed. To root out the terrorist mindset, the state will have to eliminate the curriculum and literature taught in Pakistani schools and madrassas, which is based on hatred of women, Jews, Hindus and Shias and violent jihad against them and, last but not the least, all the Taliban infrastructure and their important leaders in FATA and Pakhtunkhwa province have to be eliminated through targeted military operations.

Hardly any jirga member was confident that the state is ready to initiate all these measures. Therefore, they agreed to convene another grand jirga within the next few months to address the evolving situation, following the Pak-US strategic dialogue.

Basically, the jirga is saying that it does not trust the military establishment, which is leading the dialogue with the US. The military establishment will follow the policy of strategic depth in Afghanistan, which is the key cause of the sufferings of Pakhtuns on both sides of the Durand Line. In this context, the jirga expressed misgivings over the US role in the ongoing strategic dialogue. The jirga members said that either the US does not understand the problem of terrorism in Pakhtunkhwa, including FATA, or has some ulterior motives that the superpower wants to achieve through the strategic dialogue at the cost of Pakhtun blood.

The problem with this approach is that it does not pay attention to the grievances of anti-Taliban Pakhtuns in FATA and the Pakhtunkhwa province and the role of the intelligence agencies of Pakistan in it. If something is not done to curtail that role, the Pakhtun will continue to suffer death and destruction; Islamist extremism will grow and the ultimate beneficiaries will be al Qaeda and the military establishment of Pakistan.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Mar 2010 09:26

Strategic dialogue opens up possibilities for further talks

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -talks-730

Mr Qureshi, however, told journalists on Thursday that his delegation had “very satisfactory” talks with the Americans on civilian nuclear cooperation and that the A. Q. Khan issue was “behind us”.

Diplomatic sources also confirmed the foreign minister’s claim, but added that the Americans did not want to discuss this issue publicly and had also advised Pakistan to remain silent.

The New York Times on Friday interpreted this meaningful silence as indicating that there would be more talks on this issue.

...

Quoting their own sources in Washington, the Indian media reported that Pakistan had apparently assured the Americans that it was willing to initiate the steps they had suggested.

The Americans told the Pakistanis that “they would closely monitor the developments” before considering the Pakistani request.

Topping the list is the complete disbanding of the Khan network, so that the US is convinced that it would not re-emerge.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Mar 2010 09:31

As MBK said , India must leave the calling card with old friend Pashtoons and let them make the call if they need help. In 47, They were left alone to face the Pakjabi Hyenas but if they want now they can have great supporter in India. If we can help Bengalis , why not Pushto people to free their own country from Pakistan.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Mar 2010 09:32

Dawn Editorial

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... alogue-730

Equally importantly, both sides seem to have realised that the war against militancy cannot be won on the battlefield alone. To retain faith in democracy, the Pakistani public must be pulled out of the mess in which it is currently mired. Power outages are enraging domestic consumers and hurting industrial production, which is in turn causing job losses at a time of skyrocketing food inflation. Our agricultural sector, meanwhile, is being choked by India’s illegal construction of dams. Of late Pakistan has given its all to counter the forces of extremism. Its people, even more than the army, now need something substantial in return.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Mar 2010 09:51

abhishek_sharma wrote:Dawn Editorial

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... alogue-730

Our agricultural sector, meanwhile, is being choked by India’s illegal construction of dams.

Even those in Pakistan who otherwise lament the overbearing presence of the Army, lack of democracy, continuation of feudalistic tendencies, transformation of the country to a security state, a lack of visionary leaders etc. etc. believe in the myth that India did cheat Pakistan of J&K. They have now added the 'water issue' to that.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Mar 2010 10:18

Telegraph article http://www.telegraphindia.com/1100327/j ... 269595.jsp

The Americans are understood to have told Qureshi and Kayani that Pakistan must first put in place proper export control laws which will give the US Congress some confidence that there is at least a fig leaf of rationale behind Islamabad’s request for a nuclear deal.In 1999, as talks between then Planning Commission deputy chairman Jaswant Singh and the US deputy secretary of state Strobe Talbott got under way on India's nuclear programme, the Americans similarly asked for new, water tight export control laws on Indian statutes as a guarantee against nuclear proliferation.

An expert on such laws was then posted to the US embassy in New Delhi for six months and she worked with Rakesh Sood, then joint secretary in South Block for disarmament, on new laws. That was six years before the US announced a nuclear deal with India.

This experience offers a road map for any such deal with Pakistan, if at all. Besides, an American source involved in the talks with Pakistan pointed out that "if this president had been in power in 2005, there would have been no nuclear deal even with India. So where is the question of him initiating any such deal for Pakistan?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Mar 2010 10:28

Pak rupee dips against USD

The central bank now manages its foreign currency reserves ($10.9bn) only to pay back country's external debt, which comes to $3.5bn a year till 2015.

By 2006, Pakistan’s foreign debts had declined from US$ 47.8 Billion to US$ 30.3 Billion solely due to US waivers and other interventions. By c. 2008, Pakistan was desperately in need of funds for meeting its balance of payments debts. Its external debts have now increased to USD 55 Billion by Jan, 2010 from USD 44 Billion a year ago. Let's remember that the US rescheduled Pakistan’s repayment of loans owed to the Paris Club (US $ 12.5 Billions) for 28 years after the 9/11 incident.

Meanwhile, IMF delays giving Pakistan its next tranche of loans

he International Monetary Fund (IMF) has postponed its scheduled March 31st executive board meeting, which had to review Pakistan’s economy and approve the much-awaited fifth tranche worth $1.2 billion under an $11.3 billion standby agreement, officials said on Friday.

The IMF Executive Board delayed the review of Pakistan’s economy because of the government’s failure to meet an important condition of the tabling of the draft Value Added Tax (VAT) legislation in the four provincial assemblies, a senior official of the Finance Ministry told The News on condition of anonymity.

He said during the last two reviews, the IMF had already overlooked Pakistan’s failure in meeting its budget deficit targets. “In this review, they are likely to come very hard on Pakistan.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Mar 2010 10:37

One jab in Punjab —Salman Tarik Kureshi

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_2

And so to the third point: the stomach-turning mercy appeal by Mian Shahbaz Sharif to the forces of mass murder and anarchy, on the grounds of “common outlook”!!! In hindsight, this is really not surprising. Mian sahib’s senior minister has long denied the existence of any Taliban in the province. Worse, this same worthy publicly campaigned for a PML-N candidate along with the head of a banned sectarian organisation. The party also allowed another banned organisation to freely convene public meetings on Kashmir Day.

Shuja Nawaz, brother of the late army chief, General Asif Nawaz, and a historian of the Pakistan Army, has recently described how the LeT exploits the socially disadvantaged areas of central and southern Punjab as a fertile recruitment territory. According to him, the LeT is emerging as a trans-regional force, linked with the Students Islamic Movement of India, as well as with Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami of Bangladesh. It poses a serious threat to regional stability, he warns.

In this context, the Punjab chief minister’s outlandish statement and the antics of his senior minister and of certain other PML-N leaders begin to have quite frightening implications. The eminent commentator Dr Ayesha Siddiqa has written in a recent op-ed piece that Shahbaz Sharif was so dumbfounded by the recent terrorist attack in Lahore that he was unable to hide his surprise at the jihadis “breaking their promise yet again”. Dr Siddiqa suggests that the PML-N struck a deal over a year ago with the terrorists, not to attack Punjab, in return for certain concessions.

The point is that there may or may not be an overt ‘deal’ between the Punjab PML-N and the terrorists. However, their common ideological propensities and their common gestation in the workings of General Zia and his ISI (obvious differences in methodology notwithstanding) do suggest that the apple of the PML-N may not be falling too far from its tree.

sujoy · Post by **sujoy** » 27 Mar 2010 11:17

archan wrote:
pgbhat wrote:^
I have seen more "Made in Bangladesh" T-shirts in Massa. In fact I am wearing one, as I type this.
Be careful. I used to not mind buying a piece of clothing that had a "made in Bangladesh" tag on it until I read on a paki forum that some of their exporters are putting that label to sell their products as the "made in pakistan" label is not exactly good for selling stuff. I will never buy anything with a made in Bangladesh label again, as I don't want even a tiny part of my money going to TSP even by mistake. I know it is not very fair to the legitimate Bangladeshi businesses (and I have nothing against them), but I have no way to make out where it was made.
As I always say, go Honduras! I often buy stuff made there.

Archan,

Is there a reason to believe that Pakistani manufacturers cannot label something as Made in Honduras or even Made in India? After all Chinese pharma manufacturers have been known to do that in Africa before getting pulled.

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 27 Mar 2010 12:23

arun wrote:Jamie Glazov editor of Frontpage Magazine interviews Vijay Kumar, who is running for the U.S. Congress as a Republican candidate from Tennessee.

The interview extensively covers Jihadi Islamic terrorism targeting non Muslims.

Reproduced below is an excerpt dealing with Vijay Kumar’s view of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in particular:

The Wrong Way to Fight Jihad

Posted By Jamie Glazov On March 26, 2010 @ 12:04 am In FrontPage.

……………………The real power behind Universal Jihad, in all of its manifestations, lies with the Pakistani ISI–the intelligence services of Pakistan–along with the Pakistani military, the Pakistani feudal elite, and the Islamic theological leaders. As a nation-state, Pakistan exists for two reasons: its pathological hatred of India and Hindus, and its parasitic dependence on American aid. Their leaders’ battle cry is always “Islam in danger” when they want to stoke the fires of Jihad, and of course Muslims are commanded by the Quran to go forth immediately when called to fight by their Islamic leaders.

Make no mistake: you can only solve the problem of Afghanistan when you address the problem of Pakistan, because Afghanistan is a client state of Pakistan. And you can only solve the problem of Pakistan when you address the problem of Saudi Arabia, because Pakistan is a client state of Saudi Arabia. ……………….
Read it all at Frontpage Magazine:

The Wrong Way to Fight Jihad

I read it all. A very knowledgeable person he seems. The comments are pretty supportive too. Lets hope he wins.

sujoy · Post by **sujoy** » 27 Mar 2010 12:26

Not sure who may be prodding this surprising statement from the Taliban and whether it is aimed at Pakistan or India:

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... kesman-730

Asked if Taliban wanted India out of Afghanistan, he said, “We are not saying that India should be out of Afghanistan. Nor can India be completely expelled from Afghanistan.”

He claimed that Taliban “favour neither India nor Pakistan” but hastened to add that they cannot “ignore Pakistan as it is a neighbouring Islamic country” and was on good terms with them when they were in power.

At the same time the spokesman went to on say this, possibly a disclaimer in case Indians got too encouraged?

Asked about the February 26 attack in which Indians, housed in two hotels in Kabul, were targeted, the spokesman said Taliban were responsible for it.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 27 Mar 2010 13:10

shiv wrote:...<SNIP> On a different note. Check the name of the author and see the reach that Pakistan has in the media. They may not have engineers of doctors - but the have influence. The sort of education these Paki supporting media people have is just not considered an honorable education in India.

Shiv, I've a diffeent take on this. We have many a highly qualified people with right pedigree and some more on this and related field. Our problem is that these men and women, rather than furthering the cause of India, work towards undermining it and it's interest.

Here it is important to understand that the so called 'influencial' people are RAPE and with close vertical and horizontal linkage. They are born to a priviledged background, attend best of colleges, pursue 'humanities' (as it is, the degree for them is a time pass), make linkages and bonds with elite of other nations in these colleges, party and curry favor with who's who of elite in these countries and gain their influence.

I don't think the same applies to our "intelligentia"--most of these are bright students from typical middle class backgrounds, excel in their grads and post grads and earn scholarships on merit. The problem is the 'ideological' bend of the centers of higher learning (JNU) and the effect on these people.....

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 27 Mar 2010 13:39

abhishek_sharma wrote:One jab in Punjab —Salman Tarik Kureshi

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_2

Shuja Nawaz, brother of the late army chief, General Asif Nawaz, and a historian of the Pakistan Army, has recently described how the LeT exploits the socially disadvantaged areas of central and southern Punjab as a fertile recruitment territory. According to him, the LeT is emerging as a trans-regional force, linked with the Students Islamic Movement of India, as well as with Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami of Bangladesh. It poses a serious threat to regional stability, he warns.

What we are seeing is a interesting link which seems that they want to support LeT as long as possible that SIMI starts behaving like LeT inside India. Very clever. There is transnational objective to keep the LeT running by both Pakistan and US at the same time.
This is the next level of the jihad plan they have been working on. They need the grievance which they want to develop inside India.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Mar 2010 14:03

Make no mistake. SIMI is nothing but LeT, India.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Mar 2010 16:01

rohitvats wrote: I don't think the same applies to our "intelligentia"--most of these are bright students from typical middle class backgrounds, excel in their grads and post grads and earn scholarships on merit. The problem is the 'ideological' bend of the centers of higher learning (JNU) and the effect on these people.....

Rohit what you say and what I have said are not necessarily mutually incompatible - except that I may have been both unkind and blind to realities of Indian middle class versus RAPE class which cannot be equated.

Middle class in India necessarily have to aspire for doctor/engineer. That is what our country favors in terms of job potential. Hardly any parents looks you in the eye to say "My son is doing a major in history". Every father puffs up with pride to say "My son is doing Infotech in Crappy Institute of Tech"

RAPE are so wealthy that that actually send their kids to these firangi schools. They don't need to slog it out for IITJEE or AIEEE, or AIMS/JIPMER/PGI/AFMC. Let me also make some sociological comments - I may be wrong. But I may be right. Young RAPEs fit in much better in the West (at least initially) - not only by virtue of their dietary preferences but by the fact that fcking around and having wimmins is OK - based on the usual Islamic caveats about attitudes to wimmens. Indian boys are far more "seedha sadha". RAPEs have weaseled their way into Western society in a variety of ways that India has not done.

One of the reasons why Paki authors consistently grade India as "poorer", "dirtier" etc is that the majority of "visible" India is middle class India or poor India - who are both far far less wealthy than a given RAPE. Paki RAPEs on the other hand hide and deny their poor - like a feudal/5-Star household where the "service staff" are invisible.

The Indian goes to America with a duty to fulfill, an exam pass and a bank loan. The RAPE is sent to America with papa's wealth. No wonder the average yank eventually finds Pakis such fun guys.

If there are 250-300 million middle class Indians - India has at least 20 million Indians of the middle class anglophone brfite category. The RAPE represent hardly 1 million. But we read all their articles and follow their fora and blogs imagining that this is the real Pakistan. We end up doing more of an equal equal than we imagine. This reasoning was what I had in my mind when I clamped down on unmentionable fora as adminullah.