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arunsrinivasan wrote:Guys, any news on the hindu-muslim violence in parts of Hyderabad? Deccan Chronicle has very little info. on this.
Its freaking nonsense.

Two people killed and one section of people burned a cow-house and looted a temple. But our dhimmi media doesn't mention the community's name.

It is a joke that people were praising owaisis for thier oratary skills inspite of thier repeated offenses against law and order and internal security (yah! I know that I have to present my evidence to the courts). Why blaming TFTA TSP leaders for charming american policy makers? Aren't we charmed by the "professional" and "oratary" skills of Owaisis and Abdullahs?

I am disgusted with the state of affairs in Andhra. For how many years people are celebratng Sri Rama Navami? Why it is offensive now? Because BJP is for Telangana and MIM is against it? We have a lot to ponder.
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Serious communal riots in Hyderabad are restarting after gap. Many people from the state will remember how the situation in the city before 1983 that is before TDP has come into power. There used to be curfew for weeks and months together in the city. NTR is not a person to allow such a situation and also the fear of imposition of the Art 356, (which was quite frequently used to dismiss the opposition state governments at that time) has ensured that no riots take place in the city for many years while he was in power and thereafter when congress came into power there were riots and Chennai Reddy was removed as CM. It was widely rumored that YSR was behind the disturbances then. But N. Jenardhana Reddy became CM. There were also no serious disturbances reported during TDP’s second run of ten years.

For the last 6 years we see emergence of new situation in the City. There were reports of huge number Paki people living in the city without any or valid documentation. The bomb blasts in the city changed the dynamics. The reduced rioting was not an indication of peaceful change for the better in the old city. City seems to have turn more radical than before. This raised serious concerns about the involvement of Hyderabad Muslims in the terror across India. Training of the LeT fellows from Kerala were reportedly taken place in Hyderabad and city was also transit point for these people. It is very much doubtful all these activities are taking place without any knowledge and even tacit support of MIM. MIM has now some 8 MLAs and some 40 Corporaters (out of 150) in the city. So they are in a quite powerful position. Any action taken to clear the city of the terror elements was and is opposed by MIM and its leaders who want to have their continued iron grip on the old city. The congress is not ready to control the MIM and bring a sense of freedom and normalcy the Hyderabad old city areas even now. If the rumors are to be believed no one in many areas of old city pay and electricity bills, property tax etc even today. No writ of police runs there and MIM runs a parallel government. All the parties (other than BJP) are behind Muslim votes in the state and the entire reservation drama is clear evidence to that.

The situation is same in the national level. Congress is feeling now it can get back the Muslim votes in the Hindi heartland without offending Hindus. It find that the cost of Muslim appeasement like religious reservations weak response to terror attacks etc not much high and returns in terms of the Muslim votes is quite handsome. Further the leftist media is also fully behind such steps so Congress feels that it has nothing to lose. But all this in the national level is only creating a situation ripe for some one live Modi to come into national politics.

Communing back to present riots we find the very weak CM of the AP with no political base is under continued pressure from Jagan Group and they will not allow him to settle. MIM was earlier used by YSR to oppose T agitation. So there is a strong possibility that the present riots are being engineered to remove the present CM of AP by his internal congress opponents with the help of MIM. MIM also need to prove their power to its supporters. Attacking Goshala and temples is one of proving that their writ runs unopposed. Unfortunately no one opposes or even talk about destruction of temples in India. Nothing was reported even in ever active Telugu TV channels and news papers.
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I certainly hope Jagan doesn't come to power riding on this.
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Affluent non-T forces behind violence: JAC
http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/stor ... 5nzqumeA==

'Visit villages to learn ground realities'
http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/stor ... meA==&SEO=
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The riots were started to create a law and order situation to ease out the CM. However the govt is stable and a police investigation is underway to get to the bottom of the situation as to how and who started the riots. So be ready for the fallout.

Rosiah doesn't have any legacy issues. So he will go after the perpetrators where ever they are.
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The problem with hyd city is that large sections of the old city area is no go for any one other than MIM. the authority of the state does not run there. no one want to address this. the idea some political leaders are resposible is ok for some time but how long. if the press reports are to be believed then it all started when some one wanted to put some flags for Hanuman Jayanthi festiwal. Why there should be objection to this I do not know. The cult of hurt feelings - what ever that means for our secular leaders in the old city is continuing. NO one is ready say anything critical of these political forces.

there was a newyark times report on the suicides in T agitation which is highly critical in the way this whole idea of being hero by committing suicide and TV is AP are saying how the press in AP is afraid to write such reports. So much for the freedom. In India we can say what ever we want on certain things like Hindu religion etc. But we can not even offer constructive critisisum on anything which the estabilshment that is the leftist press, INC and the other secular gang and the so called oppressed lobby.
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Its kind of funny and sad at the same time...

INC compares Modi with Dawood Ibrahim for him not resigning ( :lol: because they can't win against him in democratic way) in view of his SIT interview.

TDP compares Lagadapati Rajagopal with Kasab for him working for United Andhra ( :(( because they can't make a reasonable argument in support of separate Telangana state).
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Looking at the "Red Menace" thread and Home Ministries insistence to tackle the Maoists; does anybody think the Home Ministry might have had a strategy when it thought about bifurcating the state?
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Until the new Governor EA Narsimhan who is AP IPS cadre took charge the Maoist underlaying support was not percieved at all in the MHA reports and led to the misguided Dec 9th statement. In short no.
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Narayana Rao garu,
I thought MIM was revived [post Partition phase] under the auspices of the Congress to tackle the CPI which was growing at the time! Moreover riots appear to increase when one faction is unhappy and out of power within the Cong. This is at least Varshney's partial conclusion. My first fav guru at institute [a coastal whose grandad moved to city] told me that this picture is essentially correct [this was long before I read Varshney's thesis].

This actually sets me thinking whether I should look for a similar factional thing in the murky mother-of-all - the Partition riots of 47.

But what he told me was that the inner city demographics changed substantially after the fall of the Nizam shahi. The M-aristos practically evacuated to POWI. And peripheral non-Muslim populations moved in substantial numbers into inner city. Such a mixed population will tend to have less rioting unless external mobilization is going on. So has this demograohics also changed recently?
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But this time riots have taken places where they are not suppose to take place. I think MIM may be testing its power now. May be big show off before any decision on statehood during which period they can also do some blackmailing

SK Committee said to have received some 50000 submissions by 8th. GOK how many at the end that is by 10th.
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YS Jagan goes on a ' show of strength ' padyatra like his father YSR did in 2003. Looks like the riots did not bring much attention.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Yatra ... ght/604990
Ahead of an expected Cabinet reshuffle and announcement of bypoll dates, Y S Jaganmohan Reddy, son of late Y S Rajasekhara Reddy, on Sunday completed a three-day yatra to meet families of those men/women who either allegedly committed suicide or died of heart attack after hearing about his father’s death in a chopper crash. The timing of the yatra — seven months after YSR’s death — has raised several eyebrows in political circles, including the Congress party.

Observers feel that since a state Cabinet reshuffle is on the cards and also dates of bypolls to at least 15 seats are to be announced soon, Jaganmohan wants to be seen in the thick of action. “He is also making moves to destabilise Chief Minister K Rosaiah before the reshuffle. The three-day yatra is turning out to be a show of strength with thousands of people gathering everywhere to greet him as the chief minister-in-waiting. He will probably put pressure through loyal Congressmen to retain YSR loyalists in the Cabinet, while pressing for more to be included. Rosaiah will do it at the risk of being isolated himself,” said an official of the APCC. Bypolls are expected to be announced as 10 MLAs of Telangana Rashtra Samiti (TRS) have resigned over the separate state issue.

During the yatra, Jaganmohan covered 13 Assembly constituencies in West Godavari where the maximum number of alleged suicides and deaths followed after YSR’s plane crash.

Congressmen see Jaganmohan’s yatra as a well-calculated move to remain in the limelight while he awaits to claim the CM’s post.

TRS gears up for T panel hearing

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 785990.cms
HYDERABAD: TRS will be the first political party to appear before the Srikrishna committee to explain why it is seeking a separate Telangana state. The party president K Chandrasekhar Rao along with party ideologue K Jayashankar will appear before the panel on April 16.

According to party sources, KCR has received an invitation from committee member-secretary V K Duggal to make his presentation at New Delhi. The TRS has already submitted a 1000-page ‘jumbo’ report to the committee on the need to bifurcate the state.
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Please read this article carefully. After reading you will realize the skin depth of Telengana's so called developmental backwardness. Triurcation of AP will lead to the older demons buried in 1947 raising their heads again. The communal riots in Hyd are a small preview of the agony inflicted on the people and could happen again if not nipped in the bud now.

It will take a few generations at least for the people of Telengana to exorcize the demons and set forth on the path of spiritual and cultural rejuvenation.

http://www.vepachedu.org/hyderabad.html

The Cultural Fate of Hyderabad State

"To discover how people are coping with drastic urban growth, photographer Stuart Franklin and I went to São Paulo, Bangkok, Lagos, and Hyderabad…. It was the people, so tenacious, gallant, ingenious, and hopeful. These massive cities are not, as they may first appear, overloaded freighters with no rudder and a large hole in the hull. In the anonymous stretches of city peripheries and the deepest pockets of teeming old quarters, I found that what appeared to be each city's greatest burden—all those people—is in fact her richest resource." Erla Zwingle, National Geographic Magazine, November 2002.



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Hyderabad City was founded on the banks of River Musi in 1589 by Mohammed Quli Qutub Shah (1580-1612), the Muslim ruler of Golconda kingdom. Now a cosmopolitan City, Hyderabad is the Capitol of the state of Andhra Pradesh and is an administrative and commercial center and transportation hub with an international airport. Secunderabad, founded about 200 years ago as one of the largest British Cantonments in India, is the twin city across the reservoir Hussain Sagar. The twin-cities of Hyderabad and Secunderabad are for all purposes considered one, and are the home for approximately 8 million people. It is the fifth largest metropolis of the Indian Union. It is estimated that 23% of India's software professionals are from Andhra Pradesh and account for more than 50% of the Indian software engineers in the US and Europe. Hyderabad City, a city of minarets and bazaars, has it all - from architecture and museums to cinema theaters and restaurants.

Brief History: Approximately seven centuries of slavery under the Muslim autocracy and 50 years of democracy have influenced the culture of the Hyderabad City and the State. In the North India, the Muslim rule started with the defeat of the last Hindu and Buddhist empires in Afghanistan in early 7th century, while Vijayanagar (1336-1678) was the last Hindu empire to fall in the South. It took approximately 7 centuries for Islamic marauders to reach the south from the north-west. Telangana, the core of Hyderabad State, came under Muslim rule briefly when Alauddin Khilji from Delhi defeated the emperor Prataparudra of Kakatiya Dynasty that ruled from Warangal as Capitol, on March 19, 1310. The huge booty carried to Delhi by one thousand camels included the famous Kohinoor Diamaond. (Yes, this is the same Allauddin who plundered Chittorgarh for material and carnal booty, including queen Padmini. After a heroic resistance against his brutal Muslim onslaught for about eight months, valiant Rajputs were defeated and on the 26th of August 1303, under the leadership of Rani Padmini, the Rajput women plunged themselves into the fire to escape rape and slavery .) Warangal was taken back from Delhi sultanate in 1336 by Vijayanagar dynasty, which fell to Muslims later in 1678 and became part of Golconda state under Mughals. Nizam gifted away coastal Andhra to French in 1752. East India Company acquired Andhra from the French in 1766, which became part of Madras province of the British Empire. However, Hyderabad (Golconda) remained part of various Muslim dynasties for 7 centuries uninterrupted: Delhi sultanate (1310-1336), independent Bahmani sultanate - a major Muslim dynasty that ruled central and south India (1345-1512), Turkman Qutub Shahi dynasty of Golconda kingdom (1512-1687), Mughal Dynasty of Delhi (1687- 1724) and Nizam dynasty of Hyderabad (1724-1948).

Liberation: There was an increase in political and cultural awareness among peoples of Hindu religions of Hyderabad State at the end of 19 th century. As part of Nizam's grand design to counter the growing cultural and political awareness among Hindus (~90% of the total population at the time) in the state, the Telugu names of districts, for example, Elagandala, Palamuru, Induru, and Metuku were changed to Karim Nagar, Mahaboob Nagar, Nizamabad, and Medak respectively, and towns like Manukota and Bhuvanagir were renamed as Mahaboobnagar and Bhongir respectively in 1905. Village names ending in padu were changed to pahad. At the same time a proclamation was issued making Hyderabad State an Islamic state. In 1911, Mir Osman Ali Khan succeeded to the dynasty. During his rule Islamization of Hyderabad State was intensified. With the encouragement of the Nizam government a blatant communal organization Majlis Ittehadul Muslimeen was formed. This organization along with "Anjuman Tabli Gulistan" inaugurated Tablig movement to convert Hindus to Islam. In August 1919, Osmania University was founded to impart higher education in Urdu medium to Muslims and Urdu speaking Hindus in Telangana. This was the first ever University in the last millennium in the Telugu land! The second university established was Andhra University in Andhra region of Madras province under the British raj in 1925. (The number of institutions of higher education per capita in Andhra Pradesh is way way way below that of any advanced country.)

Of course, the Nizam dynasty’s intentions were to annihilate the Hindu languages and cultures. Hindu students had to face many hardships and restrictions at the University. The Hindu cultures and religions were openly ridiculed, e.g., during Milad-un-Nabi celebrations of 1937, Prof. Maulvi Nazarul Hassan Gilani openly admonished the Muslims for their failure to convert Hindus to Islam by saying, " I am pained to see the inertness amongst Muslims, when there exist still 22 million of ‘Dung Worshippers’ in this country (Hyderabad State)." Similarly, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, father of Islamic State of Pakistan (Islamic Pure State), addressed the students of Osmania University as "my Muslim students," ignoring Hindus among the students.

Kasim Razvi, the president of Majlis Ittehadul Muslimeen in erstwhile Hyderabad State, believed that he was destined to plant Asafia flag on the Red Fort in Delhi and make the waves of the Bay of Bengal wash the feet of Nizam. He was successful in intoxicating thousands of Muslims of Hyderabad State to enroll as razakars and take pledge to maintain the Muslim supremacy in Deccan and Hyderabad State. When the British left the Indian Continent in 1947, the Nizam wished to remain independent, while Hindus wanted to join the democratic Indian Union. A series of riots and mayhem, known as Razakar movement were instigated by the Nizam and Majlis Ittehadul Muslimeen party against popular demand "Join India" to join the Indian Union and overthrow the Muslim autocracy. Finally, the Hyderabad State joined the Indian Union with the help of the Union army in 1948, in an action popularly known as the police action. However, communal riots between Muslims and Hindus continued due to communal ‘divide and rule policy’ and minority-vote-bank politics of Congress party until saffron clad Nandamuri Taraka Ramarao (NTR) became Chief Minister.

The Hyderabad state was partitioned into three states Telangana, Maratha, Karnataka, as demanded by the people of the Hyderabad State. Later, Telangana was merged with Andhra State to form the present state of Andhra Pradesh in 1956. Andhra State was the first state to form in the Indian Union based on the linguistic nationality in 1953 to protect the Andhra national language and culture from Tamil dominance in the combined Madras province. Thus, erstwhile Hyderabad State is now divided among Karnataka, Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh states in the Indian Union.

New Culture: Thus, Telangana was coerced to develop a distinct culture and language in the past 7 centuries under Muslim autocratic rule. The language of Telangana may be termed Turdu, a language dominated by Urdu vocabulary written in Telugu script. While Andhra had developed a Telugu dominated by Sanskrit and English. Even the food habits were influenced by Muslim and Western cultures. Even traditionally vegetarian, yoga practitioners and believers of non-violence like Brahmins in Telangana proudly proclaim that they relish chicken and mutton biryani, a Hyderabad special!

What about dress? Men’s wear changed long time ago. They gave up their traditional lungi and dhoti and took Islamic kurtapajama and then European dress. Every aspect of life in the society has been influenced, including the genes. One can write several books on each and every individual cultural, physical, genetic change that Indians have experienced. Well, that was all in the past during the horrible millennium of slavery and before! What is happening now? Let us look at a fundamental aspect of culture, the language. I am not a snooty linguist or leftist phony historian to decipher arcane mysteries of language evolution, but let us take a look at it from the perspective of a layman!

In the past 50 years, Turdu speaking Telangana and Telugu speaking Andhra and Rayalaseema in the new democratic state of Andhra Pradesh have developed a new language and culture, of their own sweet accord without any coercion form any autocratic or imperialist rule. Today, the language in Andhra Pradesh is Tenglish, a Telugu dominated by English vocabulary. The words borrowed from English include such fundamental vocabulary like father, mother, brother, sister, wife, family, gender, food, water, milk, rice, air, numbers, home, house, hall, flat, apartment, animals like dogs, cats, etc., verbs and activities like, eat, sleep, make love, sex, love, live, brush, wash, bath, bathe, think, thank etc., fruits, vegetables and flowers like apples, banana, tomatoes, jasmine, roses etc., colors like violet, blue, green, yellow, orange, red etc. Body parts like ears, teeth, nose, hair, skin etc., diseases and conditions like fever, cold, cough, tired, headache etc., body fluids like phlegm, tears, semen, blood etc. replaced the old, archaic and embarrassing words! Words borrowed and modified by English from Telugu like curry, bandicoot etc. are now in Tenglish in their modified English forms. And of course, there are technical terms and inventions that must be borrowed from English or Latin, as Europeans discovered them, like car, bus, train, phone, etc. The list is endless.

By the way, they are replacing only those basic words that were borrowed from Sanskrit and Urdu! It is cyclical, just like life! By the end of the first millennium of Christian era, various kings of this region voluntarily embraced Sanskrit, and by the time Muslims came Telugu was Sanskritized so much that until recently it was considered one of the Indo-European Sanskrit based languages. So, some Telugus wish to translate technical words for inventions and ideas they didn’t know and invent like car, TV, phone, Windows 95 etc., into Telugu using Sanskrit vocabulary. While educated Hyderabadis think that it is inappropriate to use Telugu word annamu and that the proper word is rice. Note that Andhra Pradesh is one of the most uneducated and illiterate states in the Indian Union! Telangana is the lowest with less than 36% literacy! Yet, I say baagunnaara, they say "havaar yu ?" I say namaskaaramu, they say hello. I say snaanalagadi , they say baathroomu. I say annamu, they say raisu. I say okati, they say van (one). I say uppu, they say saalTu (salt)…. Well, you get the idea. I am not talking their language. My language is dead. My language is Telugu. Their language is Tenglish . Well, that is the living language! Good thing about it is that Telugu joined the group of great languages like Sanskrit and Latin! The Tenglish don’t understand Telugu any more than they understand Sanskrit or Latin! Actually, you can never express anymore in Telugu feelings like "I love you," "thank you," etc. without feeling extremely awkward! I feel like a Thescelosaurus (vegetarian dinosaur) amongst modern omnivores!

The Benefits: As a matter of fact, life is easier now. I can simply speak English and the Tenglish will understand me better! In every office, Tenglish or English gets the job done. In every home Tenglish or English has more currency. An American has to just add a couple of Tenglish words here and there and his/her English would be very good Tenglish! Anybody can do it, even a Russian who can speak some English! Amazing! Isn’t it?

And out of my sheer selfishness, I feel sad because I can't speak anywhere my language anymore. Of course, the bitterness is due to lack of enough practice of yoga. Let me digress a little bit here. You see, it requires a minimum threshold level of practice to get the benefit of any process. To get the benefits of meditation one has to meditate at least 40 minutes per sitting. Don’t forget that you need to do aerobic exercises for one hour to get their benefits and practice yoga exercises for another hour and then do yoga meditation. Who has the time? Nevertheless, if you want peace and health, you have no choice!

After all, who can stop the tide and control human nature? The Tenglish know better! The Tenglish people of Andhra Pradesh have a unique quality, which makes them the fittest supple and malleable survivors (be careful, I didn’t say ‘spineless’) and helps them through slavery and freedom equally! This accomplishment also makes the life of an English speaker easier in Hyderabad, at least until English is replaced by another useful language which may not happen until several hundreds of years from now, hopefully. Now Tenglish people just have to get rid of their script and adopt roman script. Thanks to Internet, it is already happening!

Conclusion: The Tenglish should feel vindicated and proud when they read Jerry Knowles’ comments in this 1997 article . Tamils would do better if they use Tamglish and stop fighting for Elam in Sri Lanka, and, of course, only if Sinhalese became Singlish. Similarly, Frenglish, Runglish, Spanglish, Itanglish, etc. are better than their counterparts. World would be a better place, if everybody learns the Tenglish way - best way and the Tao!

avaru Tenglishu madaru ku jasminu gaarlanDu (Jasmine Garland to Our Tenglish Mother)

Better yet,

jasminu gaarlanDu Tu avaru Tenglishu madaru (Jasmine Garland to Our Tenglish Mother)

haava haappi nyu yiyaru!

Sreenivasarao Vepachedu
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While educated Hyderabadis think that it is inappropriate to use Telugu word annamu and that the proper word is rice. Note that Andhra Pradesh is one of the most uneducated and illiterate states in the Indian Union! Telangana is the lowest with less than 36% literacy! Yet, I say baagunnaara, they say "havaar yu ?" I say namaskaaramu, they say hello. I say snaanalagadi , they say baathroomu. I say annamu, they say raisu. I say okati, they say van (one). I say uppu, they say saalTu (salt)…. Well, you get the idea. I am not talking their language. My language is dead. My language is Telugu. Their language is Tenglish .
This is interesting. We need Karnataka enlightenment inside AP now.
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Karnataka DIEs are equal or worse than AP DIEs.

At least in AP the the the Andhras segment's pride in their mother tongue is still intact.

In Karnataka the Mysore + Mangalore segments think western thought == modern thought. This IMO is partial reason for Bengaluru being overrun with other languages and cultures.
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Paul wrote:
In Karnataka the Mysore + Mangalore segments think western thought == modern thought. This IMO is partial reason for Bengaluru being overrun with other languages and cultures.
We need the rural folks from the interior to take the lead. The city folks have become DIE now.
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Brief History: Approximately seven centuries of slavery under the Muslim autocracy and 50 years of democracy have influenced the culture of the Hyderabad City and the State.
The fulcrum of south india shifted from Hampi (present Bellary) to Hyderabad and Mysore after Talikota (1565).

My Question is: Is there a co-relation between the current unrest in Telangana and the shift in power center in South india in 1565? The region comrising Hampi was the souther provincial capital(Gangavathi) of the Maurya empire. Successive south indian hindu kingdoms were based out of this region. It was only after the decimation of Vijaynagara empire that the power center shifted elsewhere. For about 100 years this region was ruled by the independent Shia kingdoms till it became part of the Mughal empire under Aurungzeb.

After Aurungzeb's time this area was ruled by the Nizam from Hyderabad and the vestiges of Hindu power moved further south. Since then Hyderabad is the new power center in South India. After 1947 Hyderabad was extended to include the coastal regions based on linguistic affinity.

Is this the part of the reason why Telangana is in ferment??
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Folks,

Here is the most detailed report presented by AP NRIs based out of North America which is submitted to Sri Krishna commission. The submission is prepared by Nalamotu Chakravarthy. The full report is of 51 slides which consists of history and progress so far of Andhra Pradesh.


http://www.andhrapradeshnri.org/report.html

You can also download from
http://www.myteluguroots.com/PDF/APNRI_SKC.pdf

Here is the press release
Andhra Pradesh Non-Resident Indians Rejected Division of the State
Subject: Srikrishna Committee Submission Press Release
Date: April 18th, 2010
Andhra Pradesh Non-Resident Indians, in their Srikrishna Committee submission have strenuously argued against division of the State. In an event organized to release the submission to the media organizations and public, NRIs presented compelling statistical evidence to debunk the myth of underdevelopment in the Telangana region. NRIs presented data from 1956 and 2008 on several economic sectors including education, irrigation, industries, employment, agriculture output, roads, and hospitals. In each of these sectors, they have compared development across all three regions and have argued that there is no evidence of deliberate discrimination.
APNRIs have said that Telangana was home to some of the greatest empires that united Telugu people. Members of the organization have expressed sadness with the way separatists are distorting the region’s history and culture to fit their agenda of division.
The details of APNRI’s Srikrishna Committee submission were released at a press meeting held on April 19, 2010 at Radisson Convention Center in Piscataway, New Jersey, USA. The event was attended by various Indian media outlets, including supporters for United Andhra Pradesh.
APNRI’s submission to the Srikrishna Committee was structured into four main themes: a long legacy of Telugu people living together in harmony, analysis of the progress and economic development in the three regions of the state since 1956, impact of the current developments in Andhra Pradesh on non-resident Indians, and a strong case for why the state of Andhra Pradesh should not be divided.
APNRI Forum has been working with political and media establishments in Andhra Pradesh to promote the United Andhra Pradesh cause. As part of this effort, APNRI forum has been organizing “Meet the Leader” conference calls with the leaders and elected representatives of the State. Some of the prominent speakers that attended these calls were Sri Lagadapati Rajagopal, Sri Mandali Budhaprasad, Sri Jayaprakash Narayan, Sri, Thammineni Veerabadram, Sri Payyavula Kesav, and Sri B.V. Raghavulu.
Following its release of the Srikrishna Committee submission, APNRI is embarking on an aggressive campaign for preservation of the geographical integrity of the State of Andhra Pradesh. APNRI is planning to widely distribute its submission to media, public representatives, and general public. APNRI members are planning to meet the Srikrishna Committee to present their case in person. In addition, the organization is planning to engage the media organizations for a much broader coverage of the Samaikya Andhra Pradesh movement.
About APNRI (http://www.andhrapradeshnri.org ):
APNRI was formed by the non-resident Telugu Indians living in the United States and Canada. The organization is represented by the members from the Coastal Andhra, Rayalaseema, and Telangana regions. This is the national-level umbrella organization representing several state level organizations striving for a united Andhra Pradesh state.
The mission of the organization is to promote unity and harmony among Telugu people of all regions and to preserve the geographic integrity of the state of Andhra Pradesh.
APNRI submission can be obtained at: http://www.andhrapradeshnri.org/report.html
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Paul wrote:
The fulcrum of south india shifted from Hampi (present Bellary) to Hyderabad and Mysore after Talikota (1565).

My Question is: Is there a co-relation between the current unrest in Telangana and the shift in power center in South india in 1565?
Strong islamic monarchy and identity in the south is only in HYD. Nowhere else there is any memory of Islamic monarchy. Even Mysore Tipu regime is just a mild regime.
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The Nizam continued the Mughal rule vestige and after 1857 was acknowledged as the successor. So in essence even if the population was small they were the successor regime to the Mughals. All others were minor vassals or nawabs despite larger population.
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Ramana wrote:So in essence even if the population was small they were the successor regime to the Mughals

This sentence is in line with my thoughts.

The muslim power center in Hyderabad is preventing the rejuvenation of Hindu thought in SOuth central India. The minuscule % of population of muslims of this region is out of proportion to the influence they are wielding on this process.

Maybe a new power center away from Hyderabad centered along the pre islamic period (near Hampi) is the solution to restore the power balance in this region.

Karnataka is the successor state to Mysore which is turn is the successor to Vijaynagara (KA -> Mysore -> Vijayanagara). This power center will not present a challenge to return to the old status quo.

OTOH Hyderbabad is a different story. AP -> Hyderabad -> Mughal empire -> Golconda -> Bahamani empire is the genealogy here. They will not accept this turn of events. On the bright side, the other successor states of the Bahamani kingdom have been pacified to a large extent.

All I am saying is maybe the current setup is not a reflection of natural state of affairs and this needs to be looked into deeper. JMT.
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The core problem is the un-reformed/un-modernised Hindu feudal setup in the state. They still think its the Sultanate durbar still around and are in mega dhimmitude. The IM population of Hyd is not to blame.
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Paul wrote: This sentence is in line with my thoughts.

The muslim power center in Hyderabad is preventing the rejuvenation of Hindu thought in SOuth central India. The minuscule % of population of muslims of this region is out of proportion to the influence they are wielding on this process.
Paul, I don't know what muslim influence you are talking about, but if there is one, it doesn't extend beyond old city in Hyderabad. Both communities have such less interaction outside hyderabad, it is hard to believe that muslims still have influence over hindus. And the younger generation hardly remembers the Nizam rule.
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It is a mistake to assume that Hyderabad/Golkonda started as a islamic city.We should not forget that Quli qutub shah did not built hyderabad.Golkonda was a Andhra Kakatiya hill fortress even before bahmani times.When muhammad shah bahmani sent quli qutub ul mulk to what is now called telangana to supress freedom fighters, he established his base in then Kakatiya fortress of Golkonda and later on developed it.When he declared independence from the bahmani and assumed the tilte of quli qutub shah, he made Golkonda which was occupied from Kakatiyas as his capital.

If Bhagyanagaram wants to reclaim its Kakatiya glory back, the first thing that needs to be done is to politically wipe out the Razakar party MIM from Hyderabad.And that is easier said than done because of the congress strategic allaince with MIM.
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And I don't know where you guys get this dhimmitude thing from? The Telangana movement is really about fight for resources whether it is real or perceived.It is same as fight between Karnataka and AP over Almatti or Karnataka and Tamil Nadu over Kaveri. Attributing dhimmitude or feudal setup (which I think same as anywhere in AP) to it is IMHO stretching it too far.
JMTs.
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Vijaygaru, with all due respect the only major difference between Coastal Andhras and what people now call "Telangana" is Coastal Andhras speak Telugu while Telanganites speak Turdu, a mixture and Telugu-Urdu. This whole "we are different from Andhras" thing is because Telangana was coerced to develop a distinct culture and language in the past 500 years under Muslim autocratic rule.And unfortunately some people and leaders (not all) got dhimmified subconsiously and started identifying more with that distinct Turdu than with Telugu.
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Rony wrote:It is a mistake to assume that Hyderabad/Golkonda started as a islamic city.We should not forget that Quli qutub shah did not built hyderabad.Golkonda was a Andhra Kakatiya hill fortress even before bahmani times.When muhammad shah bahmani sent quli qutub ul mulk to what is now called telangana to supress freedom fighters, he established his base in then Kakatiya fortress of Golkonda and later on developed it.When he declared independence from the bahmani and assumed the tilte of quli qutub shah, he made Golkonda which was occupied from Kakatiyas as his capital.

If Bhagyanagaram wants to reclaim its Kakatiya glory back, the first thing that needs to be done is to politically wipe out the Razakar party MIM from Hyderabad.And that is easier said than done because of the congress strategic allaince with MIM.
Generally Hyderabad origins are Islamic. Golkonda was a Kakatiya fort but it was minor one until Shahis made it a center.

Kakatiya's is Vengi culture. They fought to capture the capital Rajamahendravaram and lost so they went towards Northern side of Vengi and in the middle, Warangal, started their empire. Then they later captured Rajamahendravaram. So strictly Kakatiya culture is Coastal Andhra culture (esp, Krishna-Godavari districts). They also gave preference to Velanati Nayakas to be their immediate subordinates. Of course some of those Velamas (who has geography-specific (Velnadu = Krishna-Guntur) origin) now want separate Telengana.

MIM already said NO to Telenagana so unless Congress/Krishna committee does some nasty job, there seems to be no question of Telengana.
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Rony wrote:Vijaygaru, with all due respect the only major difference between Coastal Andhras and what people now call "Telangana" is Coastal Andhras speak Telugu while Telanganites speak Turdu, a mixture and Telugu-Urdu. This whole "we are different from Andhras" thing is because Telangana was coerced to develop a distinct culture and language in the past 500 years under Muslim autocratic rule.And unfortunately some people and leaders (not all) got dhimmified subconsiously and started identifying more with that distinct Turdu than with Telugu.
Rony Garu, If you read my post again I'm not talking about any differences between Coastal Andhras and Telanganites. I was talking about them being dhimmified and influenced by muslims.

Also if telugu mixed with some urdu becomes Turdu, then would you agree that Telugu mixed with english is 'Tenglish'. Because nobody speaks chaste telugu anywhere. So Coastal Andhras are dhimmified by british ? You guys make, Telugu spoken by telangana people, as if it is full of urdu. I find more words of english spoken with telugu than telangana people's telugu with urdu. The languages have always evolved over the years depending on the circumstances. So how come speaking some urdu words makes some one dhimmified ?
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ShyamSP wrote:MIM already said NO to Telenagana so unless Congress/Krishna committee does some nasty job, there seems to be no question of Telengana.
I thought they changed their stance recently. I remember seeing some article where TRS leaders appreciating MIM change of mind.
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yvijay wrote:Rony Garu, If you read my post again I'm not talking about any differences between Coastal Andhras and Telanganites. I was talking about them being dhimmified and influenced by muslims.
KCR's comments explain this mentality the best. The feudal leaders in today's telangana think they better under Nizam rule because all they had to do was to collect Rs 1 from the common man and pass 80 paise to Nawab and keep 20 paise for themselves. They do not see beyond that and the public do not understand that the entire setup is using the Rs 1 that is grabbed from it and 10 cents of it is being returned as aid/grants and is happy with it.

The common populace never get to see the real world beyond what the feudal lard says. They do not see any change in life even after the kingdom is gone and they can be their new representatives.
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RamaY wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:MIM already said NO to Telenagana so unless Congress/Krishna committee does some nasty job, there seems to be no question of Telengana.
I thought they changed their stance recently. I remember seeing some article where TRS leaders appreciating MIM change of mind.
Then you missed very recent news. They made it clear to the Sri Krishna commission.
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yvijay wrote:Also if telugu mixed with some urdu becomes Turdu, then would you agree that Telugu mixed with english is 'Tenglish'. Because nobody speaks chaste telugu anywhere. So Coastal Andhras are dhimmified by british ? You guys make, Telugu spoken by telangana people, as if it is full of urdu. I find more words of english spoken with telugu than telangana people's telugu with urdu. The languages have always evolved over the years depending on the circumstances. So how come speaking some urdu words makes some one dhimmified ?
Ohh saar....you still hanging in there and using logic. With worthies and gems such as below, the floor and the house is all swiped clean. So, according to RamaY saar, there are "feudal" leaders *today* in telangana who think they (were?) better under Nizam. I am sure RamaY may know a lot of people (may be he can try naming one) who have seen and been under Nizam's rule :eek:
RamaY wrote:The feudal leaders in today's telangana think they better under Nizam rule because all they had to do was to collect Rs 1 from the common man and pass 80 paise to Nawab and keep 20 paise for themselves. They do not see beyond that and the public do not understand that the entire setup is using the Rs 1 that is grabbed from it and 10 cents of it is being returned as aid/grants and is happy with it.
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Satya_Anveshi garu, I stopped responding long ago. But bringing back the 'dhimmitude' term unnecessarily every time some new comes it made it unbearable.
RamaY garu is portraying Telangana as if it is in Pakistan Punjab ruled by chaudaries and voting only for feudal lords, but nothing could be farther from truth. If the feudal lords have do much influence, how come communist parties regularly in Telangana ? I'm also interested in knowing how many of the MLA's are feudal lords.

Older generation still remember about the Razakar atrocities and here he is saying that people feel that they would have been better under Nizam :rotfl: .
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Satya_anveshi wrote: Ohh saar....you still hanging in there and using logic. With worthies and gems such as below, the floor and the house is all swiped clean. So, according to RamaY saar, there are "feudal" leaders *today* in telangana who think they (were?) better under Nizam. I am sure RamaY may know a lot of people (may be he can try naming one) who have seen and been under Nizam's rule :eek:
KCR is one who is a known as "dora" in Telangana region. I have seen people still call him dora and dare not sit at an even kneel before him.
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Generally Hyderabad origins are Islamic. Golkonda was a Kakatiya fort but it was minor one until Shahis made it a center.

It does not matter whether the fort was a minor one or a major one.The very fact that it was a Kakatiya fort and not a qutub shahi fort to begin with nails the lie that Golkonda's origins are islamic.And without Golkonda, there would have been no Hyderabad !

Also if telugu mixed with some urdu becomes Turdu, then would you agree that Telugu mixed with english is 'Tenglish'
Definetely agree with that.But unlike Turdu speakers, Tenglish speakers dont claim that they have "different culture" from the fellow Telugus.If there is no Turdu, there would have been no seperatist movement in Telangana.It would have been similar to Rayalaseema.

according to RamaY saar, there are "feudal" leaders *today* in telangana who think they (were?) better under Nizam.

http://www.hindu.com/2007/11/27/stories ... 440400.htm


Telangana Rashtra Samithi (TRS) president K. Chandrasekhar Rao has justified his praise of the Nizam of Hyderabad as it was part of the cultures world over to recall their past glory.

Speaking to reporters after paying floral tributes at the grave of Mir Osman Ali Khan, the seventh and last Nizam of Hyderabad, on the occasion of his 41st death anniversary at King Kothi here on Monday, Mr. Rao claimed that the 450-year-old rule of the Asaf Jahis in the erstwhile Hyderabad State was marked by communal harmony.

Of course, the razakars, during the Nizam’s rule, had committed atrocities on common people for some time but this did not discredit the glorious past of the State, he added.
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skaranam wrote:KCR is one who is a known as "dora" in Telangana region. I have seen people still call him dora and dare not sit at an even kneel before him.
But the forum worthies have mentioned here on this forum that he is no Telanganite. That he hails from NE Andhra. So, what gives? Do you see the hypocrisy?
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Satya-Anveshi garu and yvijay garu,

Point A (Facts based Economic Backwardness)
I understand your discomfort to associate telangana agitation with dhimmitude. There is nothing wrong in asking for a separate state on the merits of it. I hope all the reports submitted to Sri Krishna commission will become available and we can get the facts on economic development under united Andhra Pradesh model. You can already see various news and analysis reports where the overall development metrics are presented in each and every field mentioned as justification for separate Telangana state. This aspect of telangana backwardness can be analyzed objectively and dispassionately by studying and analyzing numbers.


Point B (Subjective distinct Telangana identity)
My earlier post is about the subjective aspect of so-called "telangana" identity. There are three possibilities.

1. Telangana has the same historical, cultural, linguistic, and civilizational roots as rest of Andhra. To understand this one has to go back in history beyond British colonization and Islamic conquests. This is the problem people have in defining India as well. The true India is the civilization that existed for thousands of years before Islamic and British occupations. It is a different thing altogether that as Indics we may/may-not want to keep the Islamic and British influences.

2. Telangana has a distinct historical, cultural, linguistic, and civilizational roots different from rest of Andhra. This is the argument what most of T-vadis make. But there is no proof for it, unless they bring the third point.

3. Telangana's distinctness w.r.t to its historical, cultural, linguistic, and civilizational roots is due to its prolonged Islamic rule. Here T-vadis argue that new telangana society is a product of Indic roots and Islamic rule. This is called "Dhimmitude". It is the name given to such a resultant society and there is nothing wrong in it. We can call it "weroiuwero" if you prefer.

This is the only way T-vadis can substantiate their distinctiveness from rest of Andhra Pradesh and seek separate statehood; bypassing the rational/facts-based analysis presented approach, as they do not have a valid case in that approach.

Hope this clarifies.
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Satya_anveshi wrote:
skaranam wrote:KCR is one who is a known as "dora" in Telangana region. I have seen people still call him dora and dare not sit at an even kneel before him.
But the forum worthies have mentioned here on this forum that he is no Telanganite. That he hails from NE Andhra. So, what gives? Do you see the hypocrisy?
Are you serious with this logic? Think thru it and you will see the fallacy yourself :lol:
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The polavaram project matter is hoting up. The T leadership is said to be lobbing hard in Delhi to prevent any nationa project status to the project unless Chevella - Pranahitha alsogiven then same status. Chiru is trying to fish in the muddy waters now with his yathra. Our Naxal brothers already started makking sounds about the displacement of people and alternative ideas. In short one more round of agitations may be there soon.
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