Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 04 Apr 2010 01:26

rohitvats wrote:
A_Gupta wrote: Paris hangs an equipment contract French fighter aircraft of Pakistan

Three weeks before the visit to Paris from Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, April 19, the Elysee has recently taken a decision that could overshadow the meeting described as "important." France does not give, in effect, the green light to a contract of 1.2 billion euros for the electronics equipment and missile than a hundred fighter aircraft JF-17, manufactured by Pakistan with the help of the Chinese.

After eighteen months of negotiations, the French company OTE, coupled with Thales and MBDA, was retained by Islamabad. It was the first part of a package of 6 billion euros to equip the whole of the JF-17 Pakistan Air Force, nearly 400 hunters...............<SNIP>
Where the F$#@ are these beggars going to get the funds for this deal - even adjusting for the fact that apart from intial 1.6billion Euro, rest will be spent as other aircraft come online. There is already talk of PAF not being able to afford the second tranched of JF-17 due to financial issues - China has also not being forthcoming on 'creidt' for this purchase.......bloody morons.

But its good for us if they keep chest-beating that they will buy this or that, cause it might just force our system to hasten up procurements or developments.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 Apr 2010 01:36

India should try weaning France away from Pakistan before taking on the US. India should find the opportune moment to present the choice to France that France faced with Israel.

When Israel and France broke up

But if Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu tries to push his luck on settlements or the peace process, he would do well to remember an unnerving precedent: Israel’s loss, in 1967, of what had been a robust alliance with France.

The French-Israeli relationship began in the mid-1950s, when Israel became a major customer for the French arms industry. But the bond was not merely commercial: at the time France was trying to quash a rebellion in Algeria, and it shared with Israel a strategic interest in combating radical Arab nationalism. In 1956, France and Israel even fought together against Egypt in the Suez crisis.

The tacit alliance, championed by Israel’s deputy defense minister, Shimon Peres, deepened during the late ’50s and early ’60s through military cooperation and cultural exchanges. French technical assistance helped Israel get nuclear weapons, and France supplied the advanced military aircraft that became the backbone of the Israeli Air Force.

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But with the end of the Algerian war in 1962, de Gaulle began mending France’s ties to the Arab world and the relationship came under strain. For a while, France tried to balance its relationships: Israeli officials were heartily welcomed in Paris, and de Gaulle continued to speak of Israel as “the ally and friend” of France.

This double game, however, ended when the Six-Day War in 1967 forced France to pick a side. In a shock to its Israeli allies, it chose the Arab states: despite aggressive moves by Egypt, France imposed a temporary arms embargo on the region — which mostly hurt Israel — and warned senior Israeli officials to avoid hostilities.

When Israel launched a pre-emptive strike on June 5, France condemned it — even as Israel’s nearly immediate aerial victory was won largely with French-made aircraft.

A few months later de Gaulle bluntly told reporters that France had “freed itself ... from the very special and very close ties” with Israel, nastily adding that Jews were “an elite people, sure of itself, and dominating.”

This was not a sentimental stance: de Gaulle had made a strategic decision to bolster France’s stature in the vast Arab world, which in 1967 meant largely abandoning Israel. France proceeded to make the arms embargo on Israel permanent, sought oil deals with the Arab states and adopted increasingly anti-Israel rhetoric.

IMO, the fixation on Unkil is premature. Practice your game with the Europeans first - they are smaller and easier.

sujoy · Post by **sujoy** » 04 Apr 2010 03:45

Shiv,

I work at YouTube. While I will not promise anything, I'll like to find details as to why this video was flagged.

Could you give me a link to your video?

shiv wrote:I had a video about the Mumbai attacks with translations of the terrorists calls on YouTube.
I have received the following love letter from YouTube
The following video(s) from your account have been disabled for violation of the YouTube Community Guidelines:
Mumbai 26/11-Making Allah do Pakistan's work -
Your account has received one Community Guidelines warning strike, which will expire in six months. Additional violations may result in the temporary disabling of your ability to post content to YouTube and/or the termination of your account.
I need suggestions on a place to host the video which is merely telling the truth even of the oiseaules on YouTube don't like it.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 04 Apr 2010 03:51

^
YouTube - Mumbai 26/11-Making Allah do Pakistan's work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-35hzc8PQ4
Google the the bolded part you will get the link......but does not work.

This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Apr 2010 06:08

sujoy wrote: While I will not promise anything, I'll like to find details

Thanks - I would like to know.The link is as posted by pgbhat.

I suspect the stated reason will be graphic images which are anyway available on the net. I will in the meantime work on a halal version with the terrorists voices and translations. I suspect I caused too much takleef. Gives me an idea of what causes takleef. For future use... There is, I am sure a Paki community hand, but hey I appreciate the fact that they have revealed to me that they are squirming.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 Apr 2010 06:15

shiv wrote: I suspect the stated reason will be graphic images which are anyway available on the net. I will in the meantime work on a halal version with the terrorists voices and translations.

I suspect the reason will be the title with Allah.
E.g., if you look for "Mumbai terrorist attack" on youtube you will find many working videos, including CCTV footage.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Apr 2010 06:39

A_Gupta wrote: I suspect the reason will be the title with Allah.
E.g., if you look for "Mumbai terrorist attack" on youtube you will find many working videos, including CCTV footage.

Quite possibly - in fact the video was more provocative on that subject than just the title. And there are other videos with more horrifying graphical content.

I recall "walking that extra mile" to make a video halal in earlier videos. In this case I was perhaps testing YouTube's pseudosecularism quotient.

In any case I will make the original video available immediately on some other server - at least as a download, and put a halal item on YouTube.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 04 Apr 2010 06:40

Discourse on India-Pakistan water sharing hots up

http://www.hindu.com/2010/04/04/stories ... 561200.htm

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 04 Apr 2010 06:53

shiv wrote:
A_Gupta wrote: I suspect the reason will be the title with Allah.
E.g., if you look for "Mumbai terrorist attack" on youtube you will find many working videos, including CCTV footage.
Quite possibly - in fact the video was more provocative on that subject than just the title. And there are other videos with more horrifying graphical content.

I recall "walking that extra mile" to make a video halal in earlier videos. In this case I was perhaps testing YouTube's pseudosecularism quotient.

In any case I will make the original video available immediately on some other server - at least as a download, and put a halal item on YouTube.

shiv,

Why not make a halal video for YouTube and post a link on its last few frames (or as an overlay at the top of each frame) to a video which is hosted on another site, which shows the deleted scenes (much like what movie fellas do in face of censoring). That way the YouTube eyeballs will get channelized to the other site too.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Apr 2010 06:58

abhishek_sharma wrote:Discourse on India-Pakistan water sharing hots up

Ms. Anita Joshua is the new correspondent of The Hindu in Islamabad to report on the inner Pakistaniyat.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 04 Apr 2010 06:58

US warns Pakistan against gas pipeline deal with Iran

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=28163

The United States appears to be ‘forewarning’ Pakistan, about continuing with the billion dollar gas pipeline from Iran into Pakistan, but officialdom here, is relaxed, saying that China and Russia were bound to veto any further stringent measures against Iran in the United Nations Security Council, which would want to see this ambitious project wrapped up.

Another country which is also not very keen on the gas pipeline, is Saudi Arabia, where presently Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qurieshi is these days, and officials say that the matter would be clearer when the minister returns home.

“At no point in time did the US officially convey to us to wrap up the gas pipeline project with Iran, because they realise our energy constraints,” says one official.

According to officials here, the issue of the gas pipeline came up in the recently concluded Pak-US Strategic Dialogue in Washington, and neither did it come up in the over a dozen visits here by senior American officials.

But it appears, that it was discussed during the recently concluded visit of US Assistant Secretary of State Robert Blake to Islamabad and he had advised looking for alternative energy sources.

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But the pipeline has been designed in a manner where it could be extended into India, which would be also more profitable to Iran.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 04 Apr 2010 07:03

A tribute to ZAB

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... to-zab-440

ZULFIQAR Ali Bhutto entered public life at the early age of 30, in 1958. In his book The Myth of Independence he writes about his views on foreign policy and the paramount objectives of Pakistan’s people.

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As a result of his disagreement over the Tashkent Declaration, Bhutto resigned in June 1966.

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When Mr Bhutto initiated his movement against Ayub Khan, the first shot at his procession was fired near the Polytechnic College on Peshawar Road. It killed a student, which triggered riots all over Punjab.

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Pakistan was in shambles when he took over power. Morale was low and faith in the survival of the country was receding, yet with his very first speech on television he managed to inspire the nation.

Amongst Mr Bhutto’s greatest achievements was the 1973 Constitution. Another was the first jurists’ conference, held in Karachi in 1973.

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It was then that he coined the term ‘Islamic socialism’.

He was indeed a true leader of the people, bringing about changes in labour and other laws to ameliorate the lot of the citizenry. Impressed by Olaf Palme and the manifesto of the Social Democratic Party of Sweden, he wished to adopt in Pakistan the Swedish paradigm.

Mr Bhutto was at his best, perhaps, at the Islamic Summit organised in Lahore in 1974. I had never before seen such a galaxy of Muslim leaders as was gathered at the Shalamar Gardens reception. Their presence showed their respect for him but unfortunately, his emerging stature in the international arena also engendered jealousies against him. Regardless, another of his landmark achievements was the commencement of Pakistan’s nuclear programmes, as well as the retrieval of prisoners of the 1971 war.

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The writer was an international judge of the UN at The Hague, permanent judge of the Lahore High Court, visiting scholar at the Columbia Law School and is a Thomas Jefferson fellow.

[email protected]

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Apr 2010 07:04

Raja Bose wrote:
Why not make a halal video for YouTube and post a link on its last few frames (or as an overlay at the top of each frame) to a video which is hosted on another site, which shows the deleted scenes (much like what movie fellas do in face of censoring). That way the YouTube eyeballs will get channelized to the other site too.

I think I can make a halal video that tells the same thing just as effectively with no loss and with no handle for objectors to make a complaint. Long ago another video of mine was flagged - but it survived. This one definitely had graphical content that represents a "Western burqa". In Western media certain scenes are considered too graphic to be shown while they are routinely shown on Indian media. Indians deal with death in a different way from Western morality. Ultimately YouTube are the arbiters and they can choose censorship of even halal videos. If they do that - then it will create a market for some other service provider. They can choose to hang themselves or promote themselves. Either way users are providing free content to them and getting free viewership in exchange.

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 Apr 2010 08:01

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan, like its flag, is green. Daily load shedding in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is running at 12 hours a day.

Loadshedding at its worst

Sunday, April 04, 2010
By By Umer Bhatti
LAHORE

LOADSHEDDING disrupted the life of millions of people from all strata of society and the last one week was truly gruesome across the country in general and in the provincial metropolis in particular. …………………

According to the official figures, there was not even a single day during the last week when the power shortfall came down from 5,000MW, rather sometimes, it went above 6,000MW. ……………………

The shortfall between the demand and supply of Pepco’s national grid was still standing around 5,000MW on Saturday evening and loadshedding of over 12 hours was still being observed in Lahore negating the Pepco officials’ claims of nine and 11 hours of loadshedding in the urban and rural areas of the City. ………………

The News

As my personal contribution towards Confidence Building Measures here is a religiously acceptable solution for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. I am referring off course to the Islamic Science solution of tapping Djinn / Jinn / Genie power mooted by the founder of Al Qaeda linked UN designated terrorist outfit UmmahTamir-e-Nau who was also a former senior director of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission, Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood (Djinn Energy)

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Apr 2010 08:08

abhishek_sharma wrote:A tribute to ZAB

All Pakistani leaders, from the Quaid down to Gilani, have progressively worked for the downfall of Pakistan. As Mohammed ali Jinnah told his friend Rustamjee Fakirjee Cowasjee, "Mark my words, each successive government of Pakistan will be worse than its predecessor", the successive governments indeed were true to his words. However, ZAB was the founder of Pakistan's rapid and steep slide into fundamentalism and recklessness. In that respect, he was worse than Gen. Zia-ul-Haq who is normally blamed by everyone conveniently.

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 Apr 2010 08:20

abhishek_sharma wrote:US warns Pakistan against gas pipeline deal with Iran

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=28163

Excerpt from the transcript of the press briefing given by US Assistant Secretary Robert Blake, linked earlier, dealing with the gas pipeline from Iran.

The press briefing also covers the issue of India’s access to Pakistani origin terrorist Daood Gilani aka David Headley, or in this case non access; the US position on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s paranoid raving and ranting that India is stealing water; the US position on terrorism emanating from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and targeting India:

QUESTION: I’m Sami Abraham. I work for Geo TV of Pakistan.

ASSISTANT SECRETARY BLAKE: Hi.

QUESTION: Pakistan has recently signed a contract with Iran about a gas pipeline.

ASSISTANT SECRETARY BLAKE: Right.

QUESTION: So during your visit to Pakistan, did this issue come up in discussions?

ASSISTANT SECRETARY BLAKE: It came up in more – in the kind of public discussions that I had with civil society and people like that. And what I said was that, first of all, people have been talking about this pipeline for a long time. But I think there continue to be many challenges to actually building the pipeline. So nonetheless, we have encouraged our friends in the Government of Pakistan to try to seek alternatives. Our concerns about the Government of Iran are very well-known. And given its current unwillingness to address its international obligations and international concerns about its nuclear program, we don’t think that this is the time for such transactions to be taking place with Iran. ………………

QUESTION: Ambassador Blake, one more question. This is a question that was asked earlier about the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline. You know, after three years, India has decided to start talking to Iran again about the pipeline and participating in the process. You and India just now – did you discuss this issue at all? Is it a disappointment that India is planning to go ahead with discussions on this issue?

ASSISTANT SECRETARY BLAKE: I don’t really have anything more to say than what I already said, which is that we – this is a very sensitive time in negotiations with Iran and we would prefer that all countries not conduct such transactions with Iran at this time, for the reasons that I already outlined.

From Here:

Briefing by Assistant Secretary Robert Blake on Recent Travel

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 Apr 2010 08:41

I dont know if anyone is following the great tamasha that is Pakistan. CJP of Pakistan wants reopening of Swiss cases against Zardari saying that the issue of Presidential immunity is not something that has been decided by the courts yet. One might get an idea that this CJP is a eminent impartial Jurist.

Let us examine his record of this gem of a legal mind: He took oath under the PCO promulgated by Mushy, and when 11 judges of Supreme court resigned rather than take oath under the PCO, he was elevated to the Supreme court! The PCO contained the beautiful clause

Supreme Court or High Courts and any other court shall not have the powers to make any order against the Chief Executive or any person exercising powers or jurisdiction under his authority

He then sat on a bench which was to decide a legal petition challenging Mushy's Coup and proceeded to dismiss the petition

You might wonder what opinion he wrote: "I endorse the coup because I took an oath to endorse the coup?" - You lack imagination: Actually he did one better, he cited legal precedence of quashing Begum Nusrat Bhutto case against Zia's coup !! (which cited legal gems such as pro coup decisions made in Nigeria and Uganda

)

Then our man dismissed a petition challenging the LFO (which gave much of the powers to Mushy, including appointing judges to the court, dismissing the PM and power to amend the constitution). The deep judicial insight was that the petitioner was a bad person because his party (watan party) boycotted the elections and hence was undemocratic {I wonder if the court caught the irony here

} and furthermore the court refuses to consider the case because it does not relate to public interest or does not impact the fundamental rights or liberties of the people

Then Mushy passed the 17th amendment, amending the constitution, taking all the provisions of the LFO and shoved it up the musharraf of Pakistan's constitution. It was challenged in court. CJP turned up to shower pakistan with more of his legal wisdom. His bench dismissed all petitions with the impeccable argument that since LFO gave the power to Mushy to amend the constitution, he was free to amend the constitution, including incorporating LFO into the constitution thereby now giving him power to constitutionally amend the constitution

Now, Zardari has inherited all the powers which was the illegitimate kid of Mushy F-ing the Paki Constitution. The CJP suddenly thinks President does not even enjoy immunity against prosecution because the SC has not decided about it yet. The interesting thing is that PPP party wallahs gathered and Groper threatened to reopen ZAB's hanging case calling it "Judicial Murder" (please to recall the precedence cited by the CJP in his original judgment legalizing the coup).

It is beer & popcorn time folks!

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 04 Apr 2010 09:00

Jang Group Managing Director Shahrukh Hasan then spoke about the significance of ‘Aman Ki Asha,’ which was launched by the Times of India and the Jang Group, in their quest for peace. He said that a large number of Indian journalists will arrive in Pakistan soon to talk about the role of the media in defusing tensions. A code of conduct for the media will likely be chalked out during a two-day conference; issues regarding media coverage beyond conflict will also be discussed.

The DDM wish to lose the last shreds of credibility they have left?

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 Apr 2010 10:33

Gerard wrote:Media persons beaten by doctors at Jinnah Hospital

Seems to me that in the Punjab province of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan it is the educated starting with Professor Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, founder of the UN designated terrorist organization Lashkar-e-Tayiba, that are the violent ones.

Joining the Doctors of Jinnah Hospital in involving themselves in a spot of violence are students of Punjab University:

‘IJT hooligans’ put PU professor in hospital

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 04 Apr 2010 10:49

Painted buses and $300m of Pakistan’s ‘own money’

http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2010/0 ... own-money/

It is one thing to say that “Pakistan is pouring $300 million into Afghanistan”. It is entirely another to say that “Pakistan is pouring $300 million of its own money“. It is absurd to talk about Pakistan’s own money when it is bankrolled by the United States and the international community. Even if it’s elite didn’t stow away their cash in Dubai, London and other places, and actually paid their taxes and power bills, it is absurd to talk about $300 million of Pakistan’s own money as long as it is receiving that much or more in foreign aid.

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arun · Post by **arun** » 04 Apr 2010 11:26

Demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan on Saturday in Balochistan:

Dera Murad Jamali: Blast in bazaar kills 2

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 04 Apr 2010 12:16

pgbhat wrote:^
YouTube - Mumbai 26/11-Making Allah do Pakistan's work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-35hzc8PQ4
Google the the bolded part you will get the link......but does not work.
This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.

The title of this video looks too cffensive for non baki muslims and it may have been removed due to 'report abuse' clicks from different nations(nobody cares the baki opinion though)..
I also liked this earlier, but thought that the title was offensive and thought that it may be restricted,thus changed the name and re-posted it here
http://www.youtube.com/user/tejaspv5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ecmJTPQ ... 2Ftejaspv5

biss to add links of more videos on comment sections

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 04 Apr 2010 13:19

Timeji

Why the question mark next to Pacquistan responsible for 26/11

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 04 Apr 2010 13:23

Mahendra wrote:Timeji

Why the question mark next to Pacquistan responsible for 26/11

Interesting question,
well it is for those paquis who really want to know what happened..,
if any ??

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Apr 2010 14:17

PoK Chief Justice dismissed from office
PoK is where the federal government rules with an iron hand, imposing at will its own Chief Minister and Chief Justice.

Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) Supreme Court Chief Justice Riaz Akhtar Chaudhry has been deposed from his office and Justice Manzoorul Hassan Gilani, a senior judge of the apex court, has taken oath as the acting CJ, a private TV channel reported on Saturday.

Contingents of police have been deployed around the Supreme Court building and its surroundings to avert any possible riots by lawyers.

AJK Prime Minister Raja Farooq Haider wanted to send Justice Riaz on forced leave but the latter refused, after which a reference was filed with the Supreme Judicial Council (SJC) for his removal from office. The AJK PM had filed reference in the SJC against Justice Riaz under Clause 289 of the constitution and Clause 42E of the interim constitution act of AJK, saying Justice Riaz’s appointment was made against merit, as he was not the most junior judge.

Supporters of the deposed chief justice rallied outside the Supreme Court and chanted slogans against the administration and even tried to enter the building. The district administration tried to stop the deposed chief justice from entering the court, but failed. No reason for deposing the CJ was stated.

According to another channel, AJK is in a constitutional crisis after the deposition of Justice Riaz. Justice Riaz told the channel that he was still the chief justice and would hear cases in Muzaffarabad. He said members of the SJC supported him and that AJK would not have two chief justices. daily times monitor/online

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 Apr 2010 18:05

Anujan,

This adds to the hilarity (from Wiki)

In the wake of the imposition of emergency rule in Pakistan, on November 14, 2007, the Harvard Law School Association decided to award its highest honour, the Medal of Freedom, to Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, following the military crackdown the previous week. He becomes the first Pakistani to be presented with such honour.

Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry formally received the Harvard Law School Medal of Freedom during his visit to the United States in November, 2008

Well, the infamous John Yoo in the US Department of Justice who wrote those memos that torture is legal, is also a Harvard graduate.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 04 Apr 2010 19:18

Harvard is sponsoring a Pakistan Water Security Initiative. They shamelessly pander to the Paki pananoia. They offer false hope to the Pakistanis that Americans will get involved. In this way they gain additional influence over Pakistani behavior. The men from Harvard are the worst sort of customers for the Pakistani strumpets. They pay in hopes and dreams instead of cold hard cash.

Paklurks, it is Easter so here is is a quote from the Bible and the prophet Ezekiel (called Dhul-Kifl or Hizkil in the Koran) that applies to your country:

Thou hast built thy high place at the corner of every street, and hast made thy beauty to be abhorred, and hast opened thy legs to every one that passed by, and multiplied thy whoredoms.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Apr 2010 19:52

Samay wrote: The title of this video looks too offensive ..
biss to add links of more videos on comment sections

he he he

Anyhow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QehgTIOmkmQ

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 04 Apr 2010 20:10

More Pakistani stupidity
Interpol notices sought against Kasab, Ansari

http://www.interpol.int/Public/Wanted/Default.asp

An Interpol Red Notice is not an international arrest warrant.

These Interpol 'Red Notices' represent only a tiny fraction of the number of red notices issued by Interpol.

The persons concerned are wanted by national jurisdictions (or the International Criminal Tribunals, where appropriate) and Interpol's role is to assist the national police forces in identifying or locating those persons with a view to their arrest and extradition.

These red notices allow the warrant to be circulated worldwide with the request that the wanted person be arrested with a view to extradition.

A distinction is drawn between two types of red notice: the first type is based on an arrest warrant and is issued for a person wanted for prosecution; the second type is based on a court decision for a person wanted to serve a sentence.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Apr 2010 20:42

Gerard wrote:More Pakistani stupidity
Interpol notices sought against Kasab, Ansari

This is a ruse to simply prolong the court drama. I am sure the prosecution, defence and the Judiciary are all playing their respective parts in protecting LeT.

See here for a chronology of court drama in Pakistan

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 04 Apr 2010 20:51

Shiv,
Perhaps only you can answer my piskological doubt.
I forwarded the video link to friends and colleagues at my work place. I got one strange reply.
"Would yo have forwarded the mail if the terrorists were Hindu and they were doing the same in Pakistan?"
The real question is:Can a Hindu do it?
the answer is "DEAD NO".
But to be absolutely honest,after watching the video numerous times just to get my blood boiling, I have developed a sadistic pleasure whenever I see IED demonstrate its prowess in pakiland. Is it possible that, we too will mutate like the Jews/Israelis did after WW2? May be its not too far when Indians will have absorbed too much that we will start behaving like the Israelis (i.e) "Disproportionate Response". Answer terror with more terror.
Then,my answer to the question posed by the guy may not be as forthcoming as it is today.
If it entails a response in a different thread please do so.
Thanks
Altair

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 04 Apr 2010 21:08

>>"Would yo have forwarded the mail if the terrorists were Hindu and they were doing the same in Pakistan?"

Boss, there is nothing to think about on this one. The answer should be Yes, you would.

No way Hindus would tolerate any nonsense in their name on a mass level like this. Has never happened in history. Will not happen simply because people like you would forward just as you did with this one.

Another answer: you will cross that bridge when you come to it. Meanwhile, is the replier going to assume how you would react in a hypothetical scenario, and ignore the very real evidence now being shoved up his ass?

Sorry doc, had to butt in... Oiseaules like this get my khushboo.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 04 Apr 2010 21:10

In fact best course of action for pakistan would have been to send those people charged with crimes in context of mumbai terror attack to be triad in Indian courts and absolve themselves of any wrongdoing. But now with drama going on in pakistan court and dossier diplomacy, a ploy adopted by Indians to deflect pressure from public for punitive strike, both govt have lost credibility.Pakistan lost best chance to earn goodwill of indian people.

These RCN drama will not take them far.They would feel emboldened to carry on further misadventure.God knows how many sites recced by DH and not revealed as yet.So ultimately they would block all choices for GOI but to act, come what may. I only hope we don't have infinite reservoir of patient unlike Vasudeva Krishna.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Apr 2010 21:10

Altair wrote:Shiv,
Perhaps only you can answer my piskological doubt.
I forwarded the video link to friends and colleagues at my work place. I got one strange reply.
"Would yo have forwarded the mail if the terrorists were Hindu and they were doing the same in Pakistan?"

The correct answer for oiseaules with oiseaule questions is:

Of Course! of course! Please point me to a video with Hindus doing in Pakistan what this video shows and I will gladly forward it to everyone I know. In the meantime please enjoy the video I have sent you"

Piskologically people want a one up on you and will corner you with a rhetorical question because they feel takleef. They would rather stay in their comfortable psec cocoon. The irritation they feel is cognitive dissonance and the question is to try and hold on to their beliefs. . The thing to do is not to get cornered and pretend that you are as concerned as they are to suffer from equalitis. "You and I we both believe in the same things. Hindus thoo. And Islamists - check my video. And don't forget to send me a ~~postcard~~ equalequal video link. Cheers"

Never argue. Always agree. And use their argument as evidence of "interest" and pile on their misery. Never get angry. Only patience. If they get angry never show triumph. Never say "I was right, you were wrong". They will bite a bait of shit when they are angry unless you botch it by laughing or showing triumphalism.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 04 Apr 2010 21:15

SSridhar wrote:More Pakistani stupidity
Interpol notices sought against Kasab, Ansari

This is a ruse to simply prolong the court drama. I am sure the prosecution, defence and the Judiciary are all playing their respective parts in protecting LeT.

And also enough of an alibi for TSP & US state dept to claim "progress on Mumbai" to ward off the Indian irritant of focusing on Mumbai. What a bloody joke this has become. Does MMS sleep well at night seeing the country he lords over made such a laughing stock; first the brazen attack on 26/11 by TSP, and then the combine US-TSP perfidy thereafter.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 04 Apr 2010 21:29

Thanks Doc
Cant promise I can ever pretend to agree with these psec b@$tards,but I need to build a defense to deal with these people. Their numbers appear to be growing.
JEM,
Imagine how my blood would have reacted after reading the reply in my mail box. My first instinct was to go straight to him and land a punch on his nose.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Apr 2010 21:33

Altair let me give a rude reply. No matter which way you try to shape a turd it remains a turd. Don't try to change turds. They will always exist. You just keep doing what you need to do.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 04 Apr 2010 21:38

I have to say though, that view is not uncommon. I remember on 26/11 I was speaking to a Paki Pakhtun friend, a reasonably well educated and quite knowledgeable person about Af-Pak, who is certainly no extremist. His response was "It was probably those RSS people who did those blasts a month earlier".

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 Apr 2010 21:38

Gerard wrote:Harvard is sponsoring a Pakistan Water Security Initiative. They shamelessly pander to the Paki pananoia. ....

It shows. I saw this elsewhere

According to the new 2010 NRC rankings (yet to be released to the wide audience), Harvard is not even in top 5 anymore.

(NRC = US National Research Council).

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 Apr 2010 21:45

Altair,

The answer is "Yes, absolutely".

-Arun

PS : See this story on Hissa Hilal
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/2 ... 08778.html

She's the Saudi poetess who is in the news for blasting fundamentalist fatwas in her poetry, recited on a popular Arabic reality TV show.

What the story does not tell you, but I heard on the radio, is that her poetry also blasts the people who remain silent and do not speak up against fundamentalism and against violence.

If you did not circulate this video (and btw, I do not think we need to interpret it for anyone, or add any provocative titles or anything, the video speaks for itself) then Hissa Hilal blasts you as well.