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Gerard wrote:
I wonder if the contracts specify a penalty for delays in construction?
I would guess not. If such penalty clauses did exist, by now, spokespersons from NPCIL/DAE/GOI might have mentioned it some time or the other. To my knowledge, so far, existence of such a feature in the contracts has not been indicated in the media reports.

Besides, I think a significant part of the Kudankulam npp cost is covered by Govt-Govt credit (soft loan?). Under such a circumstance, India may not have insisted on a penalty clause for delays in the contract.
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Gerard wrote:There isn't enough land to set up a car plant or build a reactor and you expect a coal mine?
Think of the poor tribals who will lose their sacred mountain, or valley, or whatever.
Yes, yes. For the good of the country, tribals should be prepared to lose their homes, lands and everything else they hold dear. After all greater good for greater numbers is more important.
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Second Edit, Deccan Herald, 05 April, 2010

Liability, indeed

''The draft is not in the country’s best interests.''

. . .

What remains on the table is the nuclear liability bill which India has to legislate. As drafted by the government it has provisions which are not in the country’s best interests. It should rework the bill in such a way that the victims do not get a raw deal in the event of a nuclear mishap. The prime minister has promised to do this and it is for the government to convince the country that the law serves our needs and interests best.
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merlin wrote:Yes, yes. For the good of the country, tribals should be prepared to lose their homes, lands and everything else they hold dear. After all greater good for greater numbers is more important.
We could repeal all eminent domain laws and let everyone have a de-facto veto on development.
No new roads, powerplants, factories, mines, ports, nothing.

After all, they have special knowledge and are in tune with nature. They have a superior culture and way of life, a dignity that we lack. Let us emulate them and revert back to the forest.
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Roemer talks Headley with PC, n-liability with Mamata
Banerjee's Trinamool Congress has reservations about certain clauses of the Nuclear Liabilities bill, scheduled to come up for voting in he Lok Sabha when the budget session resumes on April 15.

The Trinamool has also been conducting a campaign to oppose plans to set up a nuclear hub with Russian assistance at Haripur in West Bengal. The plant will come at the expense of uprooting 10,000 farmers and will endanger the environment, the party feels.

“We cannot be seen as opposing the nuclear hub plans in West Bengal and supporting the Nuclear Liabilities bill in New Delhi,” a Trinamool leader said on conditions of anonymity.

Given this backdrop, Roemer's 45-minute meeting with Banerjee assumes significance. However, both refused to confirm or deny whether they discussed the nuclear bill.
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X-post - some what related ...

Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms
For the first time, the United States is explicitly committing not to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states that are in compliance with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, even if they attacked the United States with biological or chemical weapons, or launched a crippling cyberattack.
... he was carving out an exception for “outliers like Iran and North Korea” that have violated or renounced the main treaty to halt nuclear proliferation.
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Two atricles by Brahma Chellaney

DNA newspaper, April 2, 2010:
Shutting out Parliament from scrutinizing nuclear deal
Bypassing Parliament


Economic Times, Apr 6, 2010:
Revisions in N-liability bill a must
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Sanatanan wrote:Two atricles by Brahma Chellaney

DNA newspaper, April 2, 2010:
Shutting out Parliament from scrutinizing nuclear deal
Bypassing Parliament


Economic Times, Apr 6, 2010:
Revisions in N-liability bill a must
BC is wrong here. He is asking for a US style checks and balances, which underpins the separate power structures in the US. There is no such structure in India, where the executive is part of the legislature and is expected to carry the legislature with it, especially with the help of party whips. Especially, on the issue of international agreements, the Indian constitution allocates "NO" role of verification to the parliament. The executive can act at its own sweet will, as long as it carries the majority with it, as proven through the trust vote on the nuclear issue, in the previous MMS term.

This among other things, should show to us the limits of our constitution. Designed by someone else for some other purpose in another land.
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http://filtercoffee.nationalinterest.in ... rt-treaty/
What does START III mean to the rest of the world? Even with 1,550 nuclear weapons each, the US and Russia will be so far ahead of the third largest nuclear weapons state (France, with 300 weapons) that it is unlikely to have a direct impact on disarmament. Of course, some countries might choose to “right size” their arsenal (as indeed France is doing), but these are not decisions inspired by START.

START III may be just the sort of thing to parade around New Delhi, coaxing it to ratify the alphabet soup of non-proliferation treaties. This is a non-starter. We live in a neighborhood where one power willfully flaunts the terms of the non-proliferation treaties that it is signatory to, and is increasingly belligerent in its dealings with India. And the lesser said about our other nuclear neighbor’s non-proliferation record, the better. Treaties such as START III can only be conceivable to lesser nuclear powers like India once minimum credible deterrence is achieved (for which there is no magic number). Until such time, let such treaties be part of the lofty ideals of countries with enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world several times over.
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1550 strategic weapons under the new START.

tactical nukes still number in the many thousands for each party.
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is this obama thing a trap or for real (cost cutting)?

Obama to limit use of nuclear weapons


(/John Lasky/USAF/Reuters)
President Obama will today announce that he is to dramatically narrow the conditions under which the United States will use nuclear weapons, even for self-defence.

In an interview with The New York Times ahead of the unveiling of his much anticipated revamped nuclear policy, Mr Obama said an exception would be made for "outliers like Iran and North Korea" that have violated the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

But in a striking departure from the position taken by his predecessors, he said that the US would explicitly commit for the first time to not using nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states that adhere to the nuclear treaty, even if they attack with biological or chemical weapons.
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Gerard wrote:
merlin wrote:Yes, yes. For the good of the country, tribals should be prepared to lose their homes, lands and everything else they hold dear. After all greater good for greater numbers is more important.
We could repeal all eminent domain laws and let everyone have a de-facto veto on development.
No new roads, powerplants, factories, mines, ports, nothing.

After all, they have special knowledge and are in tune with nature. They have a superior culture and way of life, a dignity that we lack. Let us emulate them and revert back to the forest.
No, no, lets get rid of any and all Indians who get in the way of greater good for greater numbers.
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In all seriousness, do you think a small number of people should have a veto on access to resources that belong to all?
Is there no place for eminent domain?
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Singha wrote:is this obama thing a trap or for real (cost cutting)?

Obama to limit use of nuclear weapons


(/John Lasky/USAF/Reuters)
President Obama will today announce that he is to dramatically narrow the conditions under which the United States will use nuclear weapons, even for self-defence.

In an interview with The New York Times ahead of the unveiling of his much anticipated revamped nuclear policy, Mr Obama said an exception would be made for "outliers like Iran and North Korea" that have violated the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

But in a striking departure from the position taken by his predecessors, he said that the US would explicitly commit for the first time to not using nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states that adhere to the nuclear treaty, even if they attack with biological or chemical weapons.
So what is being rolled back is 'expanded' deterrence. This concept came up under Bush I to deter BCW attacks. Since then the CWC has come into effect and chem weapons with nation states is banned. Any future chem weapon attack will be of local and terrorist nature.

The BWC is under negotiation and lets see how it progresses.

In effect Obama is saying nukes are to deter nukes which is a core Indian position since Gen Sunderji formulated it.

He is also saying that the US first strike is reserved for 'outlier' states like NoKo. I dont know if Iran has yet violated the NPT till it breaks out. Accusations are not enough. Another issue is ifviolation of NPT is the criteria then PRC has violated the treaty while benefittting from it by transferring nukes and technology to TSP. And then the role of Western European nations (Anglo-Dutch and German) who were supplying nuke production technology and plants to TSP(this is prohibited by NPT) even if it was under "theft".

This is defacto NFU and is big news.

So MMS might throw a sop to bring the CMD in line with international posture eventually.

So dont scream sellout if it happens. :mrgreen:
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Gerard wrote:In all seriousness, do you think a small number of people should have a veto on access to resources that belong to all?
Is there no place for eminent domain?
Or better that one should be asking who is behind these "tribals" ?

These people are being encouraged by well known anti Indian NGOs funded and aided by the usual suspects. :twisted:

Cut off the foreign funding as well as some choice body parts of these NGOs and all will be well.
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Insist on the reduction of the various australian trade missions in India.

Paraphrasing the good time girls in Hong Kong.

" No uranium, no jig jig! "


http://www.indianexpress.com/news/austr ... a/600800/0

Tuesday , Apr 06, 2010 at 1411 hrs
Melbourne:

Australia rules out selling uranium to India

Australia on Tuesday ruled out the prospect of selling uranium to India, saying its stand on the issue remains unchanged as the country is a non-signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

Australian Trade Minister Simon Crean ruled out a change in the policy. "There is no prospect for a change," he told reporters in Canberra. "We have consistently said, made this clear to India that we, because of our policy cannot supply to countries that are non-signatories to the non proliferation treaty," he was quoted as saying by

The report quoted Commerce and Industry Minister Anand Sharma stating that India needed uranium to secure the "clean" energy source for its population. Despite the fact Australia sells uranium only to Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) signatories, Sharma said India had a good record on the issue and should be helped in its goal to cut greenhouse gases.
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Moving Forward on the U.S.-India Nuclear Deal
http://www.carnegieendowment.org/public ... w&id=40491

US, India clear key hurdle in nuclear deal

By Shaun Tandon (AFP) – Mar 29, 2010
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... cDfEyWF8HQ

Indian government has to add to compensation some big share from its own profit in selling electricity from the Nuclear powerstations and then go ahead with the amendment but with an assurance that compensation will be made for the victims.
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Pranav wrote:...
Fact is that coal and hydro are the only economical ways to generate power........
To put the things in perspective wrt to safety, recent news
West Virginia Mine Disaster: Repeated Safety Violations

(At least 25 people died, 4 are still missing)
(These mines and power plants in WV provide a significant amount of energy for the nearby states)
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Gerard wrote:In all seriousness, do you think a small number of people should have a veto on access to resources that belong to all?
Is there no place for eminent domain?
Well the problem here is that its not small number of people, the number is significantly large. For small number of people I can understand (some of them might just be creating roadblocks for various reasons), but with larger numbers the matter is more complicated. I have read reports where entire villages in Orissa oppose mining on their lands. If true then these are certainly not small numbers.

An additional complication is that the track record of various governments (that promise compensation but don't deliver) is pretty bad. So people lose their lands and get very little in compensation. Then they have grievances and feed the Naxal movement or atleast are sympathetic to them (lost to the state).
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So basically the majority of Uranium, Thorium, Coal, Iron, Bauxite etc in India should be off limits with reliance on imported ore instead?
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okay ladies and gentlemen, I am posting this to show just how "new" or "old" the debates that we have on the current nature of deterrence and proliferation are. Also it gives us some more background into how Indian security policy has evolved.
New Technologies and the Qualitative Arms Race
Working Paper submitted by the India at the Third Special Session
of the United Nations General Assembly devoted to disarmament, 1988


Introduction

1. Paragraph 39 of the Final Document of the Tenth Special Session of the General
Assembly, the first special session devoted to disarmament (General Assembly resolution S-10/2), had the following provision:

"Qualitative and quantitative disarmament measures are both important for halting the arms race. Efforts to that end must include negotiations on the limitation and cessation of the qualitative improvement of armaments, especially weapons of mass destruction and the development of new means of warfare so that ultimately scientific and technological achievement may be used solely for peaceful purposes".

2. A decade has passed since the adoption of the Final Document. During this period, efforts for "arms control" in both bilateral and multilateral forums have focused primarily on the quantitative expansion of arsenals. At no stage have the qualitative aspects of the arms race been addressed, even though it has been known for some time now that a very large part of the huge sums currently spent on armament by the major Powers is devoted to making qualitative improvements in the existing weapon systems and to developing new systems. As a matter of fact, most of the nuclear "arms control" agreements provide for the upgrading of the existing weapon systems and specify "permitted" areas for further improvement of weapons. This kind of arms control, which does not address itself to the structural nature of the arms race, has not curbed and cannot curb or reverse this race. Real disarmament cannot be achieved without addressing the problem of the qualitative arms race.

3. The total expenditure on military research and development (R and D) -90 percent of it by the five nuclear-weapon States and the Federal Republic of Germany - is estimated to be approximately one tenth of the trillion dollar total global military expenditure. Military R and D today is 25 percent of the total expenditure on R and D. The scale of expenditure on military R and D and the pace of technical change in the military sector are unprecedented historically. This is the result of the emergence in the post-Second World War period of a large number of industrial and research establishments devoted exclusively to the design, production and refinement of new weapon systems. Development of weaponry is now no longer an undirected, accidental by-product of the advancement of science and technology. Instead, it has become an all-embracing purposive preoccupation, where every new scientific and technological development is examined for its potential military applications and steps are taken to translate that potential into real weapon systems.

4. There are certain historical imperatives for the growth of science and technology. These, in turn, influence patterns of production, consumption, distribution, policies of Governments as well as relations among nations. Progress in science and technology and the changes that it brings about are a part of the historical process and no attempt to halt that process because of the unwelcome nature of some of these changes is likely to succeed. However, dedicated deployment of science and technology for military purposes, irrespective of its consequences for humankind, is another matter. It is the latter that is mainly responsible for the new destructive dimensions acquired by the arms race. It is the duty of the international community to put a restraint on such an orientation.

5. New weapon systems are often developed without reference to the political climate or even the prevailing security doctrines. Quite often this takes place without reference even to the actual weapons developed by the adversary. Each side presses ahead with the development of weapons designed to counter hypothetical weapons, sure in the belief that the other side would be doing the same. Technological possibilities of developing weapon systems often acquire an inexorable character and inevitably get translated into reality. The history of weapons development in the post-Second World War period is replete with examples of such a self-propelled momentum overtaking whatever meager results “arms control” measures may have achieved.

6. It is thus evident that the prospects for real disarmament will remain bleak so long as this technological arms race is allowed to continue unabated. The pressures of competitive technological armament obstruct further progress in disarmament and even threaten to destroy the limited progress made so far. The current controversy over the 1972 ABM Treaty, because of the pressure of development of new space weapons, is an obvious illustration.

The new arms race

7. Today, the world stands on the threshold of a new arms race. A number of technologies that have the potential of transforming completely the methods of war-fighting and the nature of warfare are in advanced stages of development. The maturity and application of these technologies would have far-reaching implications for international security and would be a major setback to efforts for disarmament. The following are some of the areas in which new and emerging technologies with far-reaching military applications are taking shape:

(a) Nuclear Weapons

Intensive research and development work by laboratories has led to a major breakthrough in the design of nuclear weapons. The past few years have seen increased interest in the so-called “third generation” nuclear weapons.

The first generation nuclear weapons are based on fission; the second generation on fusion. The second generation weapon design has increased the sophistication and improved the yield-to-weight ratio of nuclear warheads. The central feature of the third generation nuclear weapons is the ability to pick and choose specific effects of nuclear weapons and enhance them, while suppressing the unwanted ones. The neutron bomb, or the enhanced radiation weapon, is the precursor of the third generation nuclear weapons.

A number of third generation nuclear-weapon designs are being actively explored. These include the X-ray laser in which the energy of the nuclear explosion is channeled into focused beams of intense X-ray radiation. The gamma ray laser microwave weapons and nuclear devices that can generate powerful electromagnetic pulses are other third generation concepts that are being explored.

Concurrently more accurate and precise modes of delivery of nuclear warheads are being explored to avoid the large collateral damage, inevitable in less accurate delivery. The maneuverable re-entry vehicle (MARV) is one such technology that is likely to dramatically increase the ability to deliver nuclear weapons with pin-point accuracy. The Earth-penetrating nuclear warhead design is another example of militarily usable nuclear explosions.

New directions in the use of nuclear energy for military purposes are also evident. Plans to deploy compact and powerful nuclear reactors in space are in advanced stages of development. The new military space missions for reactors include the powering of beam weapons, battle stations and supporting satellites. Accidents in already existing nuclear space systems have not been uncommon. Increased use of nuclear power in space could have dangerous ecological consequences.

(b) Defense against nuclear weapons

A variety of new and exotic technologies are being developed under the program to build defenses against nuclear missiles. These include technologies for weapon systems, surveillance, acquisition and tracking, battle management.

The weapons systems being developed include kinetic energy weapons. Kinetic energy weapons derive their destructive energy from the momentum of propelled objects. Electro-magnetic rail guns, which can propel objects to very high speeds, are another kind of new weapon under development.

In directed energy weapons, consisting either of lasers or of particle beams, energy propagated at the speed of light is used to destroy or disable targets. These weapon systems can be based on Earth or in space. Laser systems powered by both chemical and nuclear sources are being developed.

Although these new technologies and weapons are being projected as “defensive”, they also have offensive possibilities. The y could be particularly useful as anti-satellite weapons. Some of them could also be used against Earth-based objects.

(c) Chemical and Biological Weapons

In the past, the problems and costs of effectively integrating chemical and biological weapons into military doctrine and organization have acted as barriers against widespread military enthusiasm for chemical and biological warfare. But new technological developments could remove these barriers and facilitate greater use of chemical and biological weapons. One such technological innovation is the “binary” munitions for nerve gases.

The past few years have seen the enormous explosion in mankind’s knowledge of the molecular and cellular processes of life. There is also the emerging ability to manipulate these processes through genetic engineering and biotechnology. If these abilities are tapped for military purposes, there could be a new race to develop hideous weapons for chemical and biological warfare.

(d) Electronics, computers and artificial intelligence

The impact of the revolutionary developments in electronics and computers on military technology and strategy is already pervasive. The impact is seen in the transformation of weapons into “smart” systems, such as precision-guided weapons systems and cruise missiles. There is also the existing large-scale use of high performance computers in command, control and communication and intelligence functions.

The ongoing revolution in electronics and computers is further transforming the nature of warfare. Weapon systems are moving from the “smart” to the “intelligence” phase. Unprecedented capabilities for command, control and intelligence (C³I) systems required for enhanced war-fighting capabilities are under development. A whole range of surveillance and target acquisition systems, sophisticated sensors and high-speed automated data handling system are being built.

Of particular importance is the development of fifth generation computers and artificial intelligence. Artificial intelligence techniques are likely to be used initially in aiding soldiers in handling enormous information in a very short time in a complicated environment. Artificial intelligence techniques are also being considered for the development of autonomous vehicles and automated battle management systems. The impact of the new developments in computer hardware and software extend from conventional warfare to nuclear war-fighting and strategic defense.

(e) Conventional Weapons

The words “conventional weapons” could already be a misnomer with the increasing accuracy, lethality and range of “conventional” weapon systems. There is an increased versatility in both launch platforms and warheads. The advances in weapon technology have already led to the conceptualization of strategic warfare without nuclear weapons. The use of ICBMs is being contemplated with conventional weapons. New types of delivery systems, such as trans-atmospheric vehicles and space planes capable of speeds ranging from 5 to 30 times the speed of sound and large payload capabilities, are being developed. These vehicles can operate in both atmosphere and space and can negotiate intercontinental distances in 10 to 15 minutes. The space planes, capable of horizontal take-off from and landing at normal airfields; lend themselves to greater use and flexibility in utilizing near-Earth space for military purposes and in carrying out a variety of offensive missions in a short span of time on Earth.

Implications of the new arms race

8. These developments have far-reaching implications for international security and peace. If allowed to proceed unchecked, they would bring about radical changes in the means of war-fighting and in security doctrines. They point to a highly complex strategic environment fraught with risks of staggering proportions. One consequence that can be predicted confidently is a fresh spiraling of the arms race at a qualitatively different, if not higher, level.

9. It is also evident that they carry a much greater risk of outbreak of war, particularly
nuclear war. Many weapons already operate in a semi-automated or fully automated mode. Automation of entire weapon systems, however, would result in a quantum jump in the dangers. Improvements in C3I facilities and the deployment of surgical weapons may create an illusion of stability. However, in reality, control would become increasingly decentralized and real time for decision-making would be drastically reduced to durations too short to permit human beings to play any interactive role. The risk of war as a result of an accident, or misjudgment would be much greater.

10 Furthermore, most of the new weapons systems are offense-dominated. And even the defensive one have the effect of making offensive strikes possible with greater impunity. Together with the immensely increased accuracy and lethality of these weapons, this is likely to increase the incentive for preemptive strikes. There is, therefore, going to be greater likelihood of early use of such weapons. These new developments could lead towards a renewed arms race in both offensive nuclear weapons and building defenses. Further, these developments threaten to introduce these weapons into outer space, which has so far remained free from them.

11. Moreover, a reasonably accurate assessment of the capabilities of new weapon systems, force levels, force targets and force postures and deployment is going to be extremely difficult in a period of rapid technological change. There would, therefore, be a tendency to proceed on the basis of “worst-case” scenarios, which would result in an increase in the instability of the security environment.

12. Discreet and selective deployment of tailored nuclear weapons with little collateral effect may tend to increase their perceived utility and hence their usability.

13. The increasing lethality and accuracy of non-nuclear weaponry has brought such weapons closer to small nuclear weapons. But the non-nuclear nature of the powerful new weaponry may tend to make it more acceptable morally and politically, and hence more usable as compared to nuclear weapons.

14. The distinctions between tactical and strategic weapons, and conventional and non
conventional weapons would become blurred leading to erosion of thresholds.

15. The existing barriers against chemical and biological warfare could be eroded as a result of the new technological development. The unleasing of chemical and biological warfare technologies is fraught with grave consequences for the security of mankind.

16. These new trends have complicated the problem of the monitoring and verification of emerging weapon systems. Many of these systems will be smaller in size, more mobile and more flexible in terms of carrying out a variety of missions. The most threatening in this regard are the cruise missiles. Other examples are the anti-satellite weapons, which can be fired from a variety of mobile platforms and dual-purpose delivery vehicles. In fact, we may have already come to the point of no return in this regard.

17. The new weapon capabilities are likely to be available only to the two super-Powers and their allies for a long time to come. It would, therefore, provide them with hegemonistic capabilities, increasing their predisposition to engage in coercive diplomacy.

18. The new technologies pose a serious threat to the existing arms control and disarmament agreements by offering technological and strategic incentives to nations for breaking out of the current restrictions. They would also introduce new complexities for disarmament agreements under negotiation, making new agreements difficult.

Need for action

19. The real challenge in the field of disarmament is to devise arrangements for controlling the new arms race, which has already started on the basis of new and emerging technologies. The time for doing so is now. For, otherwise, it will be too late. The third special session devoted to disarmament is the most suitable occasion for discussing this problem and for taking timely action for managing it.

20. The problems posed are far from simple. It is neither possible nor desirable to put a stop on the growth of science and technology. To distinguish technology as constructive or destructive is a complex task. Nor is it easy to sharply categorize research from development or from testing for development. However, we have no choice but to act. Faced with the growing threat of the largest and the most elaborate military R & D program ever undertaken, namely that relating to ballistic missile defense systems, it is critical that we face the issues of the qualitative arms race directly and squarely.

21. If pursued in the context of a comprehensive disarmament program seeking to eliminate weapons of mass destruction and reducing conventional armaments to the minimum needed for defense, the efforts to control the qualitative arms race would be of great significance and indeed necessary.

Suggestions for action

(a) Increased transparency

22. Reliable information on what is happening on the other side can remove a major reason for persisting with the qualitative refinement of arsenals on a unilateral basis-namely, the fear of being caught by surprise by technological breakthroughs by the adversary. Conversely, lack of such knowledge frequently leads to exaggerated productions based on “worst case” assumptions and creates pressure for undertaking whatever the adversary might be presumed, at worst, to be doing.
23. Moreover, it is the right of the public to have access to information at the global level on issues of life and death. And the Member States owe to their peoples to provide access to such information. Further, increased public awareness of the implications of technological developments with military applications is the most effective way of putting a measure of restraint on these developments. It is also the duty of the world scientific community to be alert in this regard, to anticipate developments and to make the world aware of their implications.

24. The following suggestions are, therefore, put forward for achieving greater transparency and understanding in this critical and sensitive area:

(i) Technology assessment and forecasting panel: The Secretary-General should have at his disposal a technology assessment and forecasting panel consisting of a small group of eminent scientists and strategists. The task of the panel will be to identify and monitor those developments in the field of new and emerging technologies which have military applications, assess their likely impact on international security, and make projections based on such monitoring and assessment. The Secretary-General should consult this group from time to time. On the basis of such consultations and periodic reports to be submitted by the group, the Secretary-General should disseminate their assessment and forecasting, on a wider basis, including through reports to the General Assembly, the Security Council and the Conference on Disarmament.

(ii) National Panel of Experts: Each Government member should make more or less similar arrangements at the national level. It should constitute a panel of scientists which should report periodically to the Government and should be available for consultations from time to time. It should widely disseminate the information and assessment provided to the panel. The Governments, in turn, should submit an annual report to the Secretary-General. The Conference on Disarmament should also impress upon all member Governments that, whenever an emerging technology appears to have the potentiality of leading to the development of new weapons and new means of waging war, the details of such technologies should be given wide publicity.

(iii) Unit in the Department for Disarmament Affairs: A unit should be established in the Department of Disarmament Affairs to monitor and study the implications of new technologies with potential military applications. The Secretary-General’s panel should be able to draw upon the information and study compiled by the unit.

(b) New technology and technological missions

25. There should be greater international co-operation in the field of research in new and emerging technologies with a view to deploying them for peaceful purposes. For this purpose, new technology projects and new technological missions should be undertaken under the aegis of the United Nations. This will result in avoiding duplication of efforts in this high-cost area, fostering trust and promoting global progress and stability.

(c) Banning of technological missions clearly designed for developing new weapons

26. Negotiations should also start for banning those technological missions which are clearly designed for the development of new weapons and means of warfare. For example, there should be a ban on the development of ballistic missile defense systems.

(d) Guidelines in respect of new technologies with potential military applications

27. Guidelines should be drawn up under the aegis of the United Nations in respect of new technologies with potential military applications. To begin with, the guidelines could be voluntary in nature. They should be observed by Governments, where they are directly responsible for carrying out military R and D, and also recommended for observance by private laboratories and research institutions. Emphasis in the guidelines should be on transparency, the widest possible dissemination of information nationally and internationally, consultations with and reports to national authorities and the United Nations. They should also include such regulatory measures as may be found feasible. The Secretary-General should set up a group of experts for evolving a set of guidelines.
http://www.indianembassy.org/policy/Dis ... msrace.htm
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Gerard wrote:So basically the majority of Uranium, Thorium, Coal, Iron, Bauxite etc in India should be off limits with reliance on imported ore instead?
Please explain the "majority" part. Thorium main koi problem dikha? Coal main? Iron main? Bauxite maybe (Vedanta anyone?).
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Please explain the "majority" part. Thorium main koi problem dikha?
Thorium is very much a problem.
You can't mine Monazite sands without affecting entire fishing villages.

See
KARIMANAL (MINERAL BEACH-SAND) MINING IN THE ALAPPUZHA COAST OF KERALA – A PEOPLE’S PERSPECTIVE By Sekhar L.K and Jayadev S.K.
http://www.itc.nl/library/papers_2003/a ... ar_kar.pdf
“This land belongs to a Public Trust, the Trust of People whose generations had been living here since time immemorial. Neither does it belong to the government nor to any individual. Abandon this callous plan to rampage their milieu. Make it a daily practice to fight against the globalization policies that connive to sell off all what is left for the future generations”

- Justice V.R Krishna Iyer
(in his key note address to the Anti Beach-sand Mining Convention held at Thrikunnapuzha, the heartland of peoples movement)
as regards Iron...
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1100407/j ... 311782.jsp
The attack has triggered “absolute panic” among mining officials in Dantewada, home to India’s largest iron-ore miner NMDC, said the state-owned company’s deputy general manager, S.P. Himanshu Kumar.
Australia has Thorium. But I don't think they will sell any to India unless it signs the NPT.
The Iron, Bauxite etc isn't a problem for them.

What then for the 3 stage nuclear energy programme?
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Dr. Bikash Sinha has been conferred the Padma Bhushan by the GOI .


Fwiw for Jingos

Bikash Sinha: A Life for Physics
Dr. Bikash Sinha has chosen a Life of Physics. His actions, his leadership, his determination, his passion, his struggles, his work, his vision, and the motivation he has given to the scores of young researchers, has completely changed the mood of the nation. At one time, India was so unsure of its capabilities that it barricaded itself from the rest of the world. And now the nation is itching to plunge into every arena of global competition, be it accelerators, be it building of radio-active ion beams, be it building of large detectors, be it cryo-technology, be it grid-computing, be it participation at SPS, RHIC, and LHC, or be it the setting up of an Indian Neutrino Observatory. He has succeeded in generating a bunch of young men who are bubbling with optimism, who are not burdened by the past, and who are ready to dismantle all barriers. This generation, unlike that of its ‘academic parents’, has copious self-esteem and displays no hesitation in competing with the best in the world. This is Bikash Sinha’s greatest contribution.
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Gerard wrote:
Sanatanan wrote:Being seen time and again. "Imported" does not necessarily mean "on time".
But no liability bill needed for Russian reactors.

I wonder if the contracts specify a penalty for delays in construction?
We need to draft watertight contracts with penalty clauses. If we are paying hard cash we need to demand quality & punctuality from the vendors.
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Kudankulam deal came at a time when we were considered untouchables by the WEST and their ilk as far as civilian nuclear sector was concerned so it is more than mere buyer-seller equation , moreover Russians have been dealing with the GOI for several decades now , they know how to milk the GOI . :wink:
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U.S.-India Reprocessing Deal Spurs Complaints, But Congressional Rebuff Unlikely
The 12-page document -- officially called a "subsequent arrangement" to a landmark civil nuclear agreement penned by India and the United States in 2008 -- is raising the ire of nonproliferation advocates because it seems to represent Washington's blessing for New Delhi to produce more weapon-capable plutonium.
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Such reprocessing agreements are relatively rare, having previously been granted by Washington only to its closest allies in Europe and Japan. The technologies used for reprocessing plutonium for civil energy needs are the same as those used for producing nuclear weapons.
I thought India obtained a consent to reprocess and did not get any reprocessing technologies. Am I missing something?
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So MMS might throw a sop to bring the CMD in line with international posture eventually.
What do you mean by this Ramanaji?
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NRao wrote: I thought India obtained a consent to reprocess and did not get any reprocessing technologies. Am I missing something?
NPAs have a major takleef with the 'right to reprocess' itself , they some how want to project India as an irresponsible operator who might re route the plutonium extracted from the spent fuel from reactors under safeguards for military purposes , irony is deep inside even they realise India has enough reactors outside safeguards for its strategic programmes . :lol:

Being shrill and paranoid is part of being a NPA so we should get used to such stuff.
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The NPA line of thinking is that if India is not allowed to reprocess then lack of fuel (or rising fuel costs) will make it dip into its military reserves of Pu to run the bijli plants. However giving India the right to reprocess means that this situation will never arise.

All of you might do a :roll: but remember that this is the same set of NPAs who said that despite the fact that India hasnt imported or exported Nuke technology, India a "vertical proliferator" of Nukes because they figured out how to make nukes and taught it to themselves :shock:
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NPCIL-NTPC to build two nuclear plants
Nuclear Power Corporation of India Limited (NPCIL) and NTPC joint venture is likely to build two 700 MWe nuclear power plants at a site identified by the Department of Atomic Energy (DAE).
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Cobalt-60 lies undiscovered for 1 week in scrapyard, people exposed to radiation. The area around the scrapyard has been cordoned off to a distance of 1 km by local police. The scrap dealer, Manish Jain is in serious condition at the hospital!

Very worrisome news indeed. :(
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Klaus wrote:Cobalt-60 lies undiscovered for 1 week in scrapyard, people exposed to radiation. The area around the scrapyard has been cordoned off to a distance of 1 km by local police. The scrap dealer, Manish Jain is in serious condition at the hospital!

Very worrisome news indeed. :(
Cobalt -60 is used as a source of x-rays for Non-destructive examination of weld joints. Its usually packed in a metal container and is considered a hazardous material. Most likely the scrap dealer got it in a consignment. judging by the cordon area while dismantling the container it might have spread its contents.

It would be useful to find out how the dealer got the Co-60 source and prosecute those guys.
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Klaus wrote:Cobalt-60 lies undiscovered for 1 week in scrapyard, people exposed to radiation. The area around the scrapyard has been cordoned off to a distance of 1 km by local police. The scrap dealer, Manish Jain is in serious condition at the hospital!

Very worrisome news indeed. :(
From the above news item:
. . .

Cobalt-60 is a radioactive isotope of cobalt, which is a hard, lustrous, grey metal. Cobalt-based colours and pigments have been used since ancient times for jewellery and paints, and miners have long used the name kobold ore for some minerals. Bhattacharjee said Cobalt-60 is used in fabrication work, especially for welding steel. It is also used in radiotherapy for treating cancer.

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Asked how the radioactive material ended up as scrap, he said the scrap dealers do not have requisite instruments to check whether any material they collect is radioactive or not. "We do not know the source from where it came from. Whether it came from abroad or not, we do not know. Hopefully, we will be able to ascertain the facts soon," he said.

. . .
Co-59 is the naturally occurring isotope which is used in pigments etc, is not radioactive. (See Table -2 in the link indicated above)

Co-60 is produced in nuclear reactors for various industrial purposes, such as a gamma radiation source for non-destructive examination of weldments, or for quality control of ingots manufactured in steel mills.

The wording in the report quoted above makes me feel that there is perhaps an attempt to downplay the possibility that some one "disposed of" a Co-60 radiographic camera in a careless manner, perhaps in violation of AERB requirements.

In the past, there have been reports of the Co-60 source "escaping" from its heavily shielded camera and getting mixed up with the molten steel in the ingot. I would tend to believe that in this case, the radiation dose might not be so severe as hinted in the above report since a small quantity of the radioactive source gets mixed with a much larger amount of steel in the molten ingot and hence would get "diluted". I recall that some time ago there were reports of saying that, some manufactured steel parts, exported abroad (France? or was it Germany?) from India, after reaching the foreign shores, were found to be radioactive, beyond permissible limits. At the time news reports suggested that the steel parts were made from imported scrap steel, implying that the "fault" lay abroad.
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This is not the first case of Cobalt-60 contamination as far as our Scrap sector is concerned , there have been cases of metal parts made from steel sourced from Indian scrap dealers being reported and even returned for radioactivity (I guess Cobalt-60 was the culprit when French and Swedish firms reported radioactive contamination from parts supplied by Indian entities which in turn sourced steel from local scrap dealers who usually import cheap scrap from US/EU ) . We need to monitor our ports , specially the ship breaking business at Alang .

Btw a nice blog on this subject

http://ksparth.blogspot.com/2009/02/rad ... -wake.html

--Dr.K S Parthasarathy (former Secretary of the Atomic Energy Regulatory Board)

Sanatanam I guess you are talking about Co-60 being detected in buttons supplied by Indian entity for Otis elevators in France .
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FWIW - Cobalt-60 also gets mentioned often in BRF as in the notorious dirty "cobalt bomb" (when neutron from giga-boom bombs strike the tamper of Co-59) :-o
(Also a common laboratory radiation source used for medical radio therapy to irradiation of food)
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Radiation poisoning a reminder of need for better ‘nuclear security'
Though far less dangerous than plutonium or enriched uranium — the raw material for making nuclear bombs — the cobalt isotope which
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