India-US News and Discussion

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 16 Apr 2010 20:46

lakshmikanth wrote:
If there is a US hand in this... it would most likely be in the form of a mole. I dont know the likely hood of that.

Likelihood? Green Card.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 16 Apr 2010 20:59

I was the one who was speclated this virus theory to sabotage GSLV. In the absence of credible evidence, or even a hint, its worthless to talk about it, so I am sorry. But remember one immutable fact: I have been seeing the sickeing mantra repeated by conservative Nazis over and over again past few weeks ever since Obama announced that silly nuke doctrine, about "American exceptionalism", and anything will be considered moral in pursuit of this objective. And by the way "American exceptionalism" is etched in the minds of both so called "liberals" and "conservative" except that the means of achieving that differs.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 16 Apr 2010 22:34

Tea party fellows are idiots. According to a survey http://documents.nytimes.com/new-york-t ... ocument/p1

47% of them dont pay taxes because they are lower in the tax bracket

98% didnt see increase in their taxes

Most of them want a small "non welfare" government but when asked say that they want social security & Medicare checks

(One lady even said "Oh I didnt think of that" and quit the tea party after the survey

)
People in Oklahoma who want to build a Militia to "fight taxes" might want to note that for every $1 Oklahoma collects, they get $1.26 from federal government

Hard to take such Pakis seriously.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 16 Apr 2010 22:42

The correct terminology is I believe: Tea-bags.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 17 Apr 2010 00:37

^^^No, the correct term is tea bagger from the process of tea bagging. Look it up on wikipedia.

The Tea Party is a ruse. It is probably being financed by influential friends of the Democratic party in order to suck off votes from the Republican party by raising a third candidate for the 2010 and 2012 elections. It will allow Democrats to win elections with less than 50% of the popular vote. Even Obama directly rebutted Sarah Palin? Why would he respond to an idiot and that too on national TV? Well, its the build up of a straw man which is easy to knock down when the general election comes. The nuts who would vote for the Tea Party, and the fools who support them like Glen Beck, will take votes away from legitimate Republicans who are indeed friends of India.

If only India's netas were as smart when it comes to electoral politics....

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 17 Apr 2010 00:55

Anujan wrote:Tea party fellows...
a) 47% of them dont pay taxes because they are lower in the tax bracket
b) Most of them want a small "non welfare" government but when asked say that they want social security & Medicare checks (One lady even said "Oh I didnt think of that" and quit the tea party after the survey )
c) People in Oklahoma who want to build a Militia to "fight taxes" might want to note that for every $1 Oklahoma collects, they get $1.26 from federal government

a) and b) do not match as rhetorical points. a) Includes only income taxes, but b) is funded by payroll taxes, which a lot more than 47% pays.

c) is true, which is why, as a Californian, I oppose all increase in federal taxes and think the Cali dems are idiots (California gets 78 cents back for every $1 the feds collect from the state).

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 17 Apr 2010 00:57

Mort Walker wrote:
If only India's netas were as smart when it comes to electoral politics....

Oh please, there is lots of deliberate vote splitting going on in India. It might be difficult to see at the national level because Indian elections are held by constituency.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 17 Apr 2010 01:13

^^^That is correct, but I do wish the netas were as clever as Obama and others.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 17 Apr 2010 03:04

Sorry to post it here, but some what related as we discussed Sudarshan missing the Noble prize .. so this caught my eye:
:Arlington police say suspect denies stealing Nobel prize

People here may recall that many think that the noble prize belonged to Padm Vibhushan George Sudarshan any way.

BTW here is Sudarshan's letter to the Nobel Committee http://www.flonnet.com/fl2224/stories/2 ... 610200.htm

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Apr 2010 06:37

CRamS wrote:I was the one who was speclated this virus theory to sabotage GSLV. In the absence of credible evidence, or even a hint, its worthless to talk about it, so I am sorry. But remember one immutable fact: I have been seeing the sickeing mantra repeated by conservative Nazis over and over again past few weeks ever since Obama announced that silly nuke doctrine, about "American exceptionalism", and anything will be considered moral in pursuit of this objective. And by the way "American exceptionalism" is etched in the minds of both so called "liberals" and "conservative" except that the means of achieving that differs.

CRamS while you reveal an intimate knowledge of how the US might work you are ignoring how things work in India.

Let us assume that there is a US mole, US Trojans and other malware/manware looking to sabotage something.

What happens in India is that the first two are failures by themselves, without interference. The third failure starts arousing suspicions of sabotage internally after the rest of the world knows about it. By the time the fifth failure occurs the saboteur has got his green card and gone away and even the malware starts failing - its mind boggled at the sheer bumbling. From the sixth test onwards everything works well. Is there any shortage of time available?

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 17 Apr 2010 08:26

A DIFFERENT VISION
- Although friendly towards India, Obama’s priorities lie elsewhere
Sunanda K. Datta-Ray

At a recent meeting in London’s Chatham House, a senior British diplomatist wondered why India needed 26 — his figure — consulates in Afghanistan. It was not for me to suggest that whatever the number, their raison d’être probably lies at least partly in the successor State’s historic memory of a time when India controlled the Durand Line and seated and unseated Afghan amirs.

Good that he did not speak up ... because its very far from being the real reason why India is interested in Afghanistan. Also:

The time may have come to forget the past and take a hard look at contemporary geopolitical reality. India might conclude then that it stands to gain more by cutting its losses in Afghanistan and consolidating the economic and strategic relationship with the US

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1100417/j ... 345547.jsp

Hmm ... says something about Mr Datta-Ray's world-view.

BTW, Barkha Dutt also write something recently about attending some seminar in UK where Indian interests in Afghanistan were trashed:

Interestingly — at a recent conference on the region mediated by the Ditchley Foundation in Oxford — the subject of debate was whether India was ready for superpower status, but I was struck by how the overwhelming concern of American and British diplomats was more about how India would manage its relations with Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Worryingly, the question we were asked repeatedly was why India believed it had any vital interests in Afghanistan, other than to contain Pakistan. Several delegates pushed home the argument that there was no solution possible in Afghanistan without making the Taliban part of it.

...

At the end of three days of invigorating, cross-border arguments, the conference report concluded: “If the Taliban, or some of them, were approached as part of the negotiation, Pakistan would have to be included in the activity, as the Pakistanis would need to be persuaded that their interests were fully protected in such an approach...

It was important to recognise that an Afghanistan which was stable and friendly to Pakistan would not necessarily be against Indian interests…

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed ... 26348.aspx

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 17 Apr 2010 17:25

Worryingly, the question we were asked repeatedly was why India believed it had any vital interests in Afghanistan, other than to contain Pakistan.

That question would apply to any other nation that has a finger in Afghanistan I would guess. Or am I wrong?

Manu · Post by **Manu** » 17 Apr 2010 21:45

Before Islam, the religion of peace, "arrived" in Afghanistan:

* The country was ruled by Hindu Shahi Kings.
* The Shahi rulers of Kapisa (Kabul) who ruled Afghanistan from early 4th century till AD 870 were Khatris from the Punjab.
* Going back even further, the mother of the Kauravas was Ghandari (a Gandharvi)
* Takshasila (Taxila) and Purushapura (Peshawar) were cities in this Gandhara kingdom.
* Perhaps the American State Department could read the region's history by Olaf Caroe.

Now, what is United States' history with this region?

sum · Post by **sum** » 17 Apr 2010 21:53

The time may have come to forget the past and take a hard look at contemporary geopolitical reality. India might conclude then that it stands to gain more by cutting its losses in Afghanistan and consolidating the economic and strategic relationship with the US

What sort of a advice is this?

So, we just abandon our Afghan policy and embrace the openly duplicitous Unkil who in the first place forced us to abandon a old policy?

* The country was ruled by Hindu Shahi Kings.
* The Shahi rulers of Kapisa (Kabul) who ruled Afghanistan from early 4th century till AD 870 were Khatris from the Punjab.
* Going back even further, the mother of the Kauravas was Ghandari (a Gandharvi)
* Takshasila (Taxila) and Purushapura (Peshawar) were cities in this Gandhara kingdom.
* Perhaps the American State Department could read the region's history by Olaf Caroe.

Now, what is United States' history with this region?

Great point. Hope that the decision makers are reading this and throw this question at the next British/Amir-khan pompous gasbag diplomat who asks us about our role in A'tan.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 17 Apr 2010 21:58

shiv:

Lets hope the next launch is successful. But you can be rest assured that Unkil is not too happy at this pursuit by India; wonder what kind of strategic relationship with US and India was on Sunanda Datta Ray's mind. Unkil asks India to appease TSP, Unkil, asks India not pursue any advanced dual use technology; what exactly is the strategic component of India US relation ship?

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 17 Apr 2010 22:10

Manu wrote:Before Islam, the religion of peace, "arrived" in Afghanistan:
* The country was ruled by Hindu Shahi Kings.
* The Shahi rulers of Kapisa (Kabul) who ruled Afghanistan from early 4th century till AD 870 were Khatris from the Punjab.
* Going back even further, the mother of the Kauravas was Ghandari (a Gandharvi)
* Takshasila (Taxila) and Purushapura (Peshawar) were cities in this Gandhara kingdom.
* Perhaps the American State Department could read the region's history by Olaf Caroe.

I am pretty sure it was ruled by the Sassanids probably the western parts. Shahi ruled Pak and parts of Eastern Afghanistan. I think Taxila and Peshawar are in TSP.

As for Gandhara, I am pretty sure that was in Pakistan and some parts of eastern Afgh, as it is on the northern side of the rivers and most of that is in TSP, whereas most of Afghanistan looks like:

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Apr 2010 22:29

btw Pushpapura also has the ruins of giant stupa built by Kanishka whose kushan empire had a major center there and further east in places like taxila. afghanistan in general was a real hotbed of buddhist religion and art.

ROP ofcourse changed all that rather quickly.

bart · Post by **bart** » 17 Apr 2010 22:32

Carl_T wrote: I think Taxila and Peshawar are in TSP.

As for Gandhara, I am pretty sure that was in Pakistan and some parts of eastern Afgh, as it is on the northern side of the rivers and most of that is in TSP, whereas most of Afghanistan looks like:

You are missing the point, which is that the whole region, including current day Porki-stan was part of the Indian cultural zone of influence.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 17 Apr 2010 22:48

Mort Walker wrote:^^^That is correct, but I do wish the netas were as clever as Obama and others.

Whatever do you mean? Obama and friends are like pre-schoolers in potty training when compared to the dynasty and its acolytes.

Manu · Post by **Manu** » 17 Apr 2010 23:07

Carl_T:
* Afghanistan is today a Muslim country separated from India by another Muslim country
* Till 980 CE, Afghanistan was majority Hindu
* Raja Jaypal Shahi ruled from Kabul.
* He who controls Kabul, controls Afghanistan.
* Raja Jaya Pal Shahi bore the brunt of the Islamic Onslaught
* The summer Capital was Kapisa and the Winter Capital (of the time frame I mentioned) was the city now known as Peshawar.
* The name Gandhara disappeared after the conquest and subsequent pillage by Mahmud of Ghazni in 1021.
* It was only after Trilochan Pal Shahi was killed, that the Gangetic plains were really opened up for Muslim Invasions.
Not giving you a history lesson, but am still going to provide you with a few links that might prove to be be nice weekend reading for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabul_Shahi#Hindu_Shahi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhara

The ultimate guru on these matters is Airavat - maybe he can shed some light on this, at his convenience.

But Afghanistan's link and Hindu/Buddhist heritage have enough mention in our Vedic texts, they need not be substantiated here.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 17 Apr 2010 23:26

bart wrote:
You are missing the point, which is that the whole region, including current day Porki-stan was part of the Indian cultural zone of influence.

There is no doubt that Porkistan was in the Indian zone of influence (and still is), but my point is, the parts of Afghanistan that were in the Indian zone of influence are in parts of north and eastern Afghanistan.

Manu wrote: * Afghanistan is today a Muslim country separated from India by another Muslim country Indeed
* Till 980 CE, Afghanistan was majority Hindu
* Raja Jaypal Shahi ruled from Kabul.
* He who controls Kabul, controls Afghanistan.
* Raja Jaya Pal Shahi bore the brunt of the Islamic Onslaught
* The summer Capital was Kapisa and the Winter Capital (of the time frame I mentioned) was the city now known as Peshawar.
* The name Gandhara disappeared after the conquest and subsequent pillage by Mahmud of Ghazni in 1021.
* It was only after Trilochan Pal Shahi was killed, that the Gangetic plains were really opened up for Muslim Invasions.
Not giving you a history lesson, but am still going to provide you with a few links that might prove to be be nice weekend reading for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabul_Shahi#Hindu_Shahi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhara

You are equating Gandhara = Afghanistan which is not necessarily true. My point is, Gandhara is only a part of Afghanistan (your own links show that) in the north-eastern section with major parts in Pakistan such as Taxila and Peshawar. As for the rest of Afghanistan, Iran has strong claims. Iran is the country that has cultural links to the western parts of the region (eg Herat), even today the that side of Afghanistan is Tajik. Afg as a country is a relatively recent creation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassanid

Iran has direct interests there, and they are the ones that will not be let in. But we are off topic, this should be in Afgh thread.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Apr 2010 03:31

Edited

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 18 Apr 2010 06:49

Busting the Brazil/Russia/India/China (BRIC) Myth of Challenging U.S. Global Leadership ---- Ariel Cohen, Ph.D. , Lisa Curtis , Derek Scissors, Ph.D. and Ray Walser, Ph.D.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 18 Apr 2010 06:53

vera_k wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:^^^That is correct, but I do wish the netas were as clever as Obama and others.
Whatever do you mean? Obama and friends are like pre-schoolers in potty training when compared to the dynasty and its acolytes.

Obama is a nobody, but the dynasty and its acolytes are babes-in-the-woods as compared to Obama's handlers - for example David Axelrod, great-grandson of Leon Trotsky.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 18 Apr 2010 06:58

India to write to US for access to Headley : http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 825773.cms

The key question is whether India is going to make itself a party to the criminal case, and oppose the plea-bargain on the ground that the treaty obligations of the US over-rule such a deal.

But obviously one cannot expect the DDM to ask pointed questions like that.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 18 Apr 2010 09:16

It seems that Indian journalists are being called to seminars where they are being told how to sell US Af-Pak policy in Indian media.

Pranav wrote:

A DIFFERENT VISION
- Although friendly towards India, Obama’s priorities lie elsewhere
Sunanda K. Datta-Ray

At a recent meeting in London’s Chatham House, a senior British diplomatist wondered why India needed 26 — his figure — consulates in Afghanistan. It was not for me to suggest that whatever the number, their raison d’être probably lies at least partly in the successor State’s historic memory of a time when India controlled the Durand Line and seated and unseated Afghan amirs.

The time may have come to forget the past and take a hard look at contemporary geopolitical reality. India might conclude then that it stands to gain more by cutting its losses in Afghanistan and consolidating the economic and strategic relationship with the US

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1100417/j ... 345547.jsp
BTW, Barkha Dutt also write something recently about attending some seminar in UK where Indian interests in Afghanistan were trashed:

Interestingly — at a recent conference on the region mediated by the Ditchley Foundation in Oxford — the subject of debate was whether India was ready for superpower status, but I was struck by how the overwhelming concern of American and British diplomats was more about how India would manage its relations with Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Worryingly, the question we were asked repeatedly was why India believed it had any vital interests in Afghanistan, other than to contain Pakistan. Several delegates pushed home the argument that there was no solution possible in Afghanistan without making the Taliban part of it.

...

At the end of three days of invigorating, cross-border arguments, the conference report concluded: “If the Taliban, or some of them, were approached as part of the negotiation, Pakistan would have to be included in the activity, as the Pakistanis would need to be persuaded that their interests were fully protected in such an approach...

It was important to recognise that an Afghanistan which was stable and friendly to Pakistan would not necessarily be against Indian interests…

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed ... 26348.aspx

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 18 Apr 2010 09:53

US President Barack Obama to visit India in August/October: Manmohan Singh

Indian Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh on board Air India One said that US President Barack Obama will be visiting India in August or October this year.

US President Obama will come to India in August or October, the dates have not yet been finalised, Manmohan Singh told journalists when asked about the US president's visit to India.

Dr Manmohan Singh returned to India on Saturday after a successful 8 day visit to the US and Brazil. Mr. Singh participated in 3 multilateral summits and held more than six bilateral meetings with world leaders. India's Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh also participated in the Nuclear Security Summit in Washington

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 18 Apr 2010 11:02

Pranav wrote:
Obama is a nobody, but the dynasty and its acolytes are babes-in-the-woods as compared to Obama's handlers - for example David Axelrod, great-grandson of Leon Trotsky.

David Axelrod is a genius. The Dems had been missing him the last 8 years. EDIT: Nope, he was on the Edwards campaign.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 18 Apr 2010 21:59

pgbhat wrote:Busting the Brazil/Russia/India/China (BRIC) Myth of Challenging U.S. Global Leadership ---- Ariel Cohen, Ph.D. , Lisa Curtis , Derek Scissors, Ph.D. and Ray Walser, Ph.D.

What do they mean by this (2nd para under Myth 2) :"India has started a demographic expansion the likes of which the world may never have seen, China is growing old before it is rich, and Russia’s population is shrinking outright.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 18 Apr 2010 22:13

....[ Obama's handlers] ... - for example David Axelrod, great-grandson of Leon Trotsky.

Not that it will make any difference to conspiracy theory proponents , as they would spew what they spew.. but can any one confirm it by any credible source?

BTW:
The David Axelrod, the great-great-grandson of Leon Trotsky, and Zionist who in 1990 murdered an elderly, unarmed Palestinian couple, and has been written about a lot in hate-sites is NOT the same as Obama;s Handler.

Small details, but why fact get in the way of narrative?
What surprises me, that this has been even documented in say this NY times article
MIDEAST TENSIONS;

Two of the suspects, David Cohen and David Axelrod, were released on bail after turning over their guns. Nearly all Jewish settlers carry automatic rifles. Mr. Axelrod, an immigrant from the Soviet Union, is Leon Trotsky's great-grandson.

Hope BRF members stop peddling Birthers type rumors here without credible basis.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Apr 2010 23:49

viv wrote:
pgbhat wrote:Busting the Brazil/Russia/India/China (BRIC) Myth of Challenging U.S. Global Leadership ---- Ariel Cohen, Ph.D. , Lisa Curtis , Derek Scissors, Ph.D. and Ray Walser, Ph.D.
What do they mean by this (2nd para under Myth 2) :"India has started a demographic expansion the likes of which the world may never have seen, China is growing old before it is rich, and Russia’s population is shrinking outright.

Demographic bulge is happening in India and many other countries. This is not new.
Among BRICs only India has the bulge. China has passed the peak of the bulge and now in the end of the period for next 10 years. Then it will have more older people than the working age population. This difference among the countries will affect their coordination in the international matters.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 19 Apr 2010 02:04

Among all the US liberal, conservative heavy weights, Frank Rich of the NYT has the most substance IMO. Being a liberal, I am sure his views on "South Asia" will be the typical condescending India TSP equal equal, but in taking on tea party Nazis, he is brilliant. His prose is exquisite (I never miss his Sunday op-ed). He is the first one to tell the truth about Bobby Jindal, namley, that he is a tin pot republican Uncle Tom mouthpiece (of course that still doesn't stop DDM from going into a tizzy about Jindal's "achievements" as yet another example of India arriving on the world scene):

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/opinion/18rich.html

Southern Republican Leadership Conference was in full cry. Howard Fineman of Newsweek reported that he couldn’t find any African-American, Hispanic or Asian-American attendees except for the usual G.O.P. tokens trotted out as speakers — J. C. Watts, Bobby Jindal and Michael Steele, only one of them (Jindal) holding public office.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 19 Apr 2010 06:16

Whatever do you mean? Obama and friends are like pre-schoolers in potty training when compared to the dynasty and its acolytes.
Obama is a nobody, but the dynasty and its acolytes are babes-in-the-woods as compared to Obama's handlers - for example David Axelrod, great-grandson of Leon Trotsky.

I am not sure if there is some confusion here (or even a deliberate attempt???).

However, Axelrod has been a very, very old political strategist. He has engineered plenty of political victories - granted mostly on a very local level. But then Chicago politics is many ways is more potent than national politics. If I am not mistaken he has never lost a political campaign. He has been involved with "dynasty"s. Underestimating Axelrod in particular is a very, very dangerous game plan.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 19 Apr 2010 07:05

I believe his one campaign that failed was the Edwards campaign. Basically his career specialty has been to get black men elected to office. He is very good at what he does.

Here is some more info for those interested.
http://www.tnr.com/article/the-message-keeper
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/you-wanted-populism

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 19 Apr 2010 07:58

People like David Plouffe and David Axelrod are some of the Democratic party's big political strategists. They both worked on Duvall Patrick's campaign in 2006. But I don't think one or both could take on Karl Rove if he had a decent candidate. I support Jeb Bush in 2012. He'll be the best for India.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 19 Apr 2010 08:03

Amber G. wrote: Small details, but why fact get in the way of narrative?
What surprises me, that this has been even documented in say this NY times article
MIDEAST TENSIONS;
Two of the suspects, David Cohen and David Axelrod, were released on bail after turning over their guns. Nearly all Jewish settlers carry automatic rifles. Mr. Axelrod, an immigrant from the Soviet Union, is Leon Trotsky's great-grandson.
Hope BRF members stop peddling Birthers type rumors here without credible basis.

I remember reading this report but could not get this link to post though. thanks for posting.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 19 Apr 2010 08:06

Amber G. wrote:
....[ Obama's handlers] ... - for example David Axelrod, great-grandson of Leon Trotsky.

Not that it will make any difference to conspiracy theory proponents , as they would spew what they spew.. but can any one confirm it by any credible source?

BTW:
The David Axelrod, the great-great-grandson of Leon Trotsky, and Zionist who in 1990 murdered an elderly, unarmed Palestinian couple, and has been written about a lot in hate-sites is NOT the same as Obama;s Handler.

Small details, but why fact get in the way of narrative?
What surprises me, that this has been even documented in say this NY times article
MIDEAST TENSIONS;
Two of the suspects, David Cohen and David Axelrod, were released on bail after turning over their guns. Nearly all Jewish settlers carry automatic rifles. Mr. Axelrod, an immigrant from the Soviet Union, is Leon Trotsky's great-grandson.
Hope BRF members stop peddling Birthers type rumors here without credible basis.

Hmm ... you seem to be right - it appears that that was a different David Axelrod. Thanks for helping clarify.

But it is in general a good practice to take note of any reliable information about connections ... for example, the grandfather of UK foreign secretary David Miliband did indeed fight with Trotsky against the Russians - see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... amily.html

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 19 Apr 2010 08:08

Mort Walker wrote:People like David Plouffe and David Axelrod are some of the Democratic party's big political strategists. They both worked on Duvall Patrick's campaign in 2006. But I don't think one or both could take on Karl Rove if he had a decent candidate. I support Jeb Bush in 2012. He'll be the best for India.

Actually I don't think so, Axelrod has been more of a local bigshot from what I know. Carville and Bob Shrum were the biggest names.

As for whether they could take on Karl Rove, Rove had John McCain this time. 1-0 Axelrod.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 19 Apr 2010 08:12

Pranav wrote:Hmm ... you seem to be right - it appears that that was a different David Axelrod.

Seem? It is obvious. Nevermind just pulling your leg onlee.

Obama’s Foreign Policy: Has America Changed Direction?

Reflecting on the Bush administration’s idea of using India as a counterweight to China, Sanger said it didn’t work out very well. “Yes, the Indians don’t particularly like the Chinese, but they don’t especially want to partner with the U.S. either,” he said, adding that the U.S. relationship with India is one that Obama needs to tend to.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 19 Apr 2010 08:22

Carl_T wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:People like David Plouffe and David Axelrod are some of the Democratic party's big political strategists. They both worked on Duvall Patrick's campaign in 2006. But I don't think one or both could take on Karl Rove if he had a decent candidate. I support Jeb Bush in 2012. He'll be the best for India.
Actually I don't think so, Axelrod has been more of a local bigshot from what I know. Carville and Bob Shrum were the biggest names.

As for whether they could take on Karl Rove, Rove had John McCain this time. 1-0 Axelrod.

Nope. McLame wasn't a decent candidate and had Rick Davis as campaign manager.