Gola on the UN Report Final bullet in my pistol for my final defence: Musharraf Hopefully he puts it to good useGagan wrote:The problem with mushy was always his bluster. That was a result of him utilizing his musharraf for thinking (or not thinking before acting).
Indrani Bagchi of TOI discloses that “Indian authorities” have said that the 26/11 Islamic Jihadi terrorists "may have also" been trained by the Taliban.Hari Seldon wrote:Swapan dasgupta tweet. Can anyone confirm if this is indeed true that our NSA made such a statement???
http://twitter.com/swapan55Bizarre comment by NSA that Afghan Taliban trained 26/11 gang. Implication is that Pak had nothing 2 do with it. Sharm-el-Shek syndrome
26/11 attackers trained in Afghan Taliban camps?
Indrani Bagchi, TNN, Apr 18, 2010, 03.15am IST
ON BOARD PM'S AIRCRAFT: Did the 26/11 attackers get training in Afghan Taliban camps in the Pak-Af sector? Fresh information available with Indian authorities indicates that the group of attackers, all members of the Lashkar-e-Taiba, may have also been put through their paces by the Taliban.
It was known that the attackers had been trained by Laskhar-e-Taiba and the ISI camps. But with the Afghan Taliban coming into the picture, it puts a whole new complexion on India's approach regarding the future of Afghanistan.....................
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It was India who helped FBI to trace USD 100,000 wire-transfer. Don't think FBI would have done that on their own.SSridhar wrote:Pakistan is a bulwark against terror: Gilani
FBI traced USD 100,000 wire-transferred to the WTC terrorist Mohammed Atta by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh at the instance of Lt. Gen. Mahmoud Ahmed, chief of ISI and a hardline Taliban supporter.
Mushy doesn't even have the cajons to put that final bullet to good use I'll bet! The guy didn't have the balls to do his own coup, someone else did that for him.Anujan wrote:Gola on the UN Report Final bullet in my pistol for my final defence: Musharraf Hopefully he puts it to good useGagan wrote:The problem with mushy was always his bluster. That was a result of him utilizing his musharraf for thinking (or not thinking before acting).
"Once a Pak fauj Jernail - always a loud mouthed moron."
I think the fact that the media is re-discovering this fact is because of the halla-gulla that BRFites have been causing all over the internet by raising this and other smoking guns.SSridhar wrote:Pakistan is a bulwark against terror: Gilani
FBI traced USD 100,000 wire-transferred to the WTC terrorist Mohammed Atta by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh at the instance of Lt. Gen. Mahmoud Ahmed, chief of ISI and a hardline Taliban supporter.
And, yet, Pakistan is a bulwark against terrorism ?
From http://www.ndtv.com/news/cities/adnan-s ... -20264.phpThe Enforcement Directorate (ED) has slapped a show cause notice on Pakistani singer Adnan Sami charging him with misleading the authorities by falsely declaring that he was an Indian while seeking a Rs 1.5 crore loan from a bank to help him buy eight flats in the city.
The ED also charged him with purchasing properties without the permission of the Reserve Bank of India (RBI).
Acquisition or transfer of properties by citizens of Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, China, Iran, Nepal and Bhutan without the permission of RBI is prohibited under Foreign Exchange Management Act, ED said.
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"However, Adnan misled the ED investigations by giving a wrong statement on January 20 that he had neither applied to RBI for permission nor obtained its approval for purchasing properties in India," ED alleged in the notice a copy of which is with PTI.
Investigations had revealed Adnan had purchased the flats in spite of rejection of his application by RBI on October 14, 2002, D Shanmugam, Assistant Director, Directorate of Enforcement, said and recommended to the higher ups to take action against him for alleged FEMA violation.
ED alleged the singer had misled the Axis bank at the time of taking the loan of Rs 1.5 crore by declaring in the application form that he was an Indian. In the indemnity bond to the bank, he had declared himself as "adult Indian inhabitant (proposed)." On this basis, the loan was sanctioned.
ED alleged Adnan tried to mislead investigators by saying he had come to India on business visa. It was revealed later that he had come on a visitor's visa.
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Adnan's lawyer Vibhav Krishna said that "we shall deal with the allegations after papers are received by us. Adnan holds a PAN card issued by India since 1998 and he has been regularly paying taxes
. He has applied for Indian citizenship in 2005 on the ground that his mother hails from Jammu."
Not cashmere."He has applied for Indian citizenship in 2005 on the ground that his mother hails from Jammu."
The fiormer President Pervez Musharraf will apply to the British government for political asylum after the unveiling of the UN commission report on Benazir Bhutto’s assassination.
The ex-military strongman is understood to have decided to stay permanently in the United Kingdom. Friends close to Musharraf told Express from London that the retired general has handed over the affairs of his newly formed All Pakistan Muslim League to his spokesman Rashid Qureshi and Barrister Saif. He is consulting close friends and investors about selling his assets in Pakistan.
Musharraf went into a huddle with friends after the publication of the UN report and decided to shun the idea of returning to Pakistan. As the UN commission holds the Musharraf government directly responsible for the tragic incident, his aides are reported to have alerted him to the possibility of an FIR being registered against him and other potential risks.
Musharraf decided to apply for political asylum in the UK. The sources said that Musharraf has also contacted his friends in Pakistan and held detailed discussions to sell his business and assets in Pakistan. The sources asserted that he was advised to sell off all his local assets. Musharraf said the UN report was baseless and depended on allegations.
Pakistani media tried to contact the former president after the UN report but he declined to give any reaction. His spokesman Barrister Saif claimed while talking to Express that Musharraf did not care about the report and he would start his visit to the US in a couple of days. He said the former president will not issue any formal statement in this respect. He said he will not offer any comments on any other issue, either.
Press Trust of India quoted the ex-president as saying there was nothing new in the UN report, and that there was one final bullet left in his personal pistol, which he would definitely use for his (final) defense.
Pakistan Paindabad!! AoA!!Musharraf decided to apply for political asylum in the UK. The sources said that Musharraf has also contacted his friends in Pakistan and held detailed discussions to sell his business and assets in Pakistan. The sources asserted that he was advised to sell off all his local assets. Musharraf said the UN report was baseless and depended on allegations.
Lt Gen Khalid Shamim Wyne, who will be the most senior general at the time of Pakistan Army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani's scheduled retirement in November, has been appointed the Chief of General Staff.
The appointment coincided the change of commanders of three key army corps.
Wyne will replace Lt Gen Mohammad Mustafa Khan, who has been posted as commander of the Mangla-based Corps.
Lt Gen Rashad Mehmood will be the new commander of the Lahore-based Corps while the army's Adjutant General Lt Gen Javed Zia will be the new commander of the Quetta Corps.
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They are Mangla Corps commander Lt Gen Nadeem Ahmed, Lahore Corps commander Lt Gen Ejaz Ahmad Bakshi, Lt Gen Ahsan Azhar Hayat, Director General of Training and Evaluation, and Lt Gen Sajjad Akram, deputy chief of the Earthquake Reconstruction and Rehabilitation Authority.
Lt Gen Waheed Arshad has already been named as Hayat's successor. Lt Gen Haroon Aslam, who was recently promoted with two other three-star generals, is yet to get a posting.
The Dawn newspaper quoted its sources as saying there was a possibility that Rawalpindi Corps commander Lt Gen Tahir Mahmood could be posted as Adjutant General at the General Headquarters and Lt Gen Haroon Aslam could be made commander of the 10 Corps in Rawalpindi in his place.
Maj Gen Sajjad Ghani, General Officer Commanding at the 8th Infantry Division in Mangla, one of the two divisions conducting operations against the Taliban in Swat, has been appointed as Vice-Chief of General Staff.
Maj Gen Nasrullah Tahir Dogar, one of 29 brigadiers recently promoted to two-star generals, has been made General Officer Commanding in Pannu Aqil.
Maj Gen Rizwan Akhtar, another newly promoted officer, has been appointed as Director Organisation and Methods at the General Headquarters.
Maj Gen Mohammad Asif has been appointed as General Officer Commanding of the 8th Division. Maj Gen Saeed Aleem has been appointed as Deputy Quarter Master General and Maj Gen Farrukh Basheer as GOC of the Special Services Group.
I agree with arun. Swapan Dasgupta should not over-analyze. All the terror tanzeems in Pakistan go a long way back to the Afghan jihad days. They were either ansars (helpers) who helped the Arab & African terrorists who were pouring into Peshawar or Quetta or direct participants in the jihad. Their leaders came from Binori or Akora Khattak and the dozen other madrasseh that people like Fazl-ur-Rehman (or his father) and Sami-ul-Haq and others were running. They had excellent relationship among themselves. They were all followers of the same or similar schools of Islamic thought like Deobandism or Wahhabism. They shared resources like training camps, manuals, trainers, training programmes, funds and foot-soldiers. The landscape from Kandahar to Paktia, Paktika, Jalalabad, Waziristan, Balakot to Kotli and Muzzafarabad in PoK was littered with training camps and maskars. When Tomahawk missiles slammed into six OBL training camps around Jalalabad and Tora-Bora in c. 1998, two of them belonged to Harkat-ul-Mujahideen killing a few dozen of its cadres. HuM's chief, Fazlur Rehman Khalil exploded and promised to take revenge. People like Riaz Basra of LeJ, Qari Saifullah Akhtar of HuJI and Maulana Masood Azhar of JeM had been close to OBL.arun wrote:Note use of the word “also” which does not suggest to me that a clean chit is being handed out to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan
Get ready for more whining...sum wrote:Lt Gen Khalid Shamim Wyne...
Or may be Gen Khalid Swyne in keeping with the traditions of the napak armyanupmisra wrote:Get ready for more whining...sum wrote:Lt Gen Khalid Shamim Wyne...
From the article: "that like all soldiers, he rather preferred martyrdom to giving up". Of course, he has the fine porki army tradition of '65, '71 and '99 to live up to.Gagan wrote:link
Not so fast jee!anupmisra wrote:From the article: "that like all soldiers, he rather preferred martyrdom to giving up". Of course, he has the fine porki army tradition of '65, '71 and '99 to live up to.
Apparently the bullet in his pistol was to stick up & threaten the UK visa office till they gave him a visashynee wrote:Musharraf decides to seek political asylum in UK
The fiormer President Pervez Musharraf will apply to the British government for political asylum after the unveiling of the UN commission report on Benazir Bhutto’s assassination.
PALWASHA KHAN
ARTICLE (April 19 2010): Pakistanis are concerned at the blockade of Pakistan's river waters by India. As a member of the Parliament, desirous of lasting peace, I am compelled to view the future of the relations between Pakistan and India from the prism of the aqueous violence unleashed onto Pakistan by India, I see only devastation, worst than the holocaust.
Pining for peace between the neighbours, I represent a generation that has not been witness to the bitterest portions of the history between the two, neither the partition which claimed millions of lives nor wars that were fought between Pakistan and India. Hence, there is little room for unfounded biases except stark reality, which stares us in the face now; that of a parched Pakistan.It cannot be denied that the lives of people in the world have been intimately intertwined with its rivers, so have been ours. The relationship between rivers in the sub-continent and her people is as old as the history of humanity. These rivers have also hosted once mighty civilisations along their banks and been a witness to their demise, inasmuch as, they are custodians of our history. ( This Kaffir/ Qadiani deny the seeding by MB Qasim and cultivated by many other Arab,Irani, Afghan, Pathan and Sara jahan except YIndoo)
Flowing since time immemorial, our rivers have been close to our people's hearts and souls. Serving as holy waters in India to being the clavier of love and romance of the folk tales in Punjab, only love has flown through the rivers of the sub-continent. From dreamy eyed lovers yearning for the beloved on the banks of the great Chenab to the fabled Khagga fish of the river Ravi, people have connected to the rivers in folklore and songs since centuries. Unfortunately today, the ebb and flow of the waters of love has the potential to spin into hate and destruction between Pakistan and India.
The mighty Sindhu, figured in the Rig Vedas, identified as the father of rivers, sadly, today faces destruction at the hands of India, which derives her name from the Indus. Having, fathered the largest and one of the oldest civilisations of the world sprawling an area of 350,000 sqkm, Sindhu or the Indus is also the world's heritage. Today, it cries out to the world to save it from a bleak fate, the world should not remain silent.
With just about 10 days to go before yet another Saarc summit is overshadowed by the India-Pakistan non-affair, India says it is looking for "credible action" from Pakistan regarding terrorists operating against it.
PM Manmohan Singh and and his Pakistani counterpart Yousuf Raza Gilani literally bumped into each other at the nuclear security summit in Washington last week, exchanging what everybody called "pleasantries". For most observers, it was the Washington version of the Kathmandu handshake between former PM Atal Bihari Vajpayee and Pervez Musharraf which set the ball rolling for the 2004 summit in Islamabad, again on the sidelines of the Saarc summit.
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Asked whether Hafiz Saeed, boss of LeT, could be considered a credible benchmark for India, a senior official said, "If Hafiz Saeed is removed from the world, would there be less terrorism by Pakistan against India?" Probably not, but it might "be a measure of political will". What is needed, the Indian establishment believes, is a strategic shift by Pakistan not to use terrorism as a force multiplier or a foreign policy instrument vis-a-vis India.
However, it was for the first time that the PM actually named terror leaders like Zaki-ur Rehman Lakvi, Ilyas Kashmiri and Saeed as people that need to be tackled because they were instrumental in "fanning terrorism against India".
At this moment, Pakistan is still some distance away from that realization. Besides, with its forces concentrating on the Pakistani Taliban and working with the US on the Pak-Afghan border, there is also no external pressure (read US) for Pakistan to act against the likes of Saeed or his organization. US president Barack Obama asked Pakistan to go after terror groups like LeT, but it lacked force and he did his bit by asking India to resume dialogue with Pakistan.
Besides, with US secretary of state Hillary Clinton actually travelling past Washington's formidable security cordon during last week's nuclear summit to meet Gilani at his swanky Four Seasons Hotel in Georgetown, the signal from the US was clear: US needs Pakistan right now.
According to reports, the Pakistan army chief responded to US nudging on LeT by saying that was not a priority. LeT has been careful to stay away from attacking Pakistani interests, though its deepening ties with al-Qaida and Taliban mean that sooner rather than later, this group will certainly turn against Pakistan.
But for the moment, the prospects of a meaningful "dialogue" between India and Pakistan in Bhutan appears dim, though a meeting between the prime ministers is likely. Indian officials said they had indicated that foreign secretary Nirupama Rao was ready to travel to Pakistan for the next round of talks with her counterpart Salman Bashir. Pakistan is yet to respond to that. Meanwhile, Pakistan has insisted that it would be satisfied with nothing short of a ministerial meeting.
India is not yet ready for a composite dialogue but it is becoming clear that the template used for dealing with Pakistan for these past few years has had to be revised. A new approach may be in the works. As a senior official explained, India would need to develop a more textured policy towards Pakistan. "Some of it might seem contradictory, because we are dealing with a fragmented situation," the official said.
Once again a Paki successfully negotiates with a gun pointed to his own head !Anujan wrote:Not so fast jee!anupmisra wrote:From the article: "that like all soldiers, he rather preferred martyrdom to giving up". Of course, he has the fine porki army tradition of '65, '71 and '99 to live up to.
Musharraf decides to seek political asylum in UK
Apparently the bullet in his pistol was to stick up & threaten the UK visa office till they gave him a visa
So far, I have not seen anybody in Pakistan discuss the substantive part of the UN report, the role of the 'Permanent Establishment' of the military and the intelligence in ruining Pakistan. They are only talking about individuals.This is the first time an official, public international document has raised questions about the invasive role of Pakistan's military and intelligence agencies in running the country, its links with the Taliban and the jihadist groups fighting India, and the adverse consequences all this has had for Pakistan. Daringly, the report calls for an investigation into the role of the dreaded “establishment… the de facto power structure that has at its core the military and intelligence agencies” in the assassination.
(I don't particularly have any great love for Zardari, he might even have been a philanderer, but to say that he was involved with BB's murder straight out of the blue is carrying things too far)
Hamid Gul has spoken already as reported by The News :Gagan wrote:Hamid Gul hasn't spoken yet also - and when he does, you can bet he'll call for an independent investigation.
That's it. The UN report is a rubbish. No Pakistani is involved. It was a Yankee-Yehudi-Hanadi conspiracy.“Despite the fact that Benazir Bhutto had deviated from the American agenda before her assassination, there is no mention of the United States and Blackwater (now renamed Xe Worldwide),” said the former top spymaster of the country while talking to The News.
“Also, there is no mention of Khalid Shahinshah, who was a prime witness,” he commented. Lt Gen (retd) Hamid Gul said that former military ruler Gen (retd) Musharraf, who was at the helm of affairs when Benazir Bhutto was murdered, too was given protocol by the incumbent government and allowed to go abroad.
He said there was no difference between the UN Commission report and that of the Scotland Yard. “The government’s request for a UN inquiry is nothing except expression of distrust in the national investigation agencies,” the former ISI chief said.
“Had the national institutions been tasked with a thorough probe into the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, the real culprits might have been exposed,” he remarked. The former top spymaster of the country believed that the Taliban and al-Qaeda were not involved in the assassination of the former Pakistani prime minister and were dragged in merely to malign them. He opined that he did not see the involvement of Pakistani or religious elements in the assassination of Benazir Bhutto.
everyone is either retired or low level abdul..... as expected.Those who have been suspended include former Rawalpindi CPO Saud Aziz; former District Coordination Officer (DCO) Rawalpindi Irfan Elahi; Former Inspector General Police, Rawalpindi, Chaudhry Abdul Majeed; Superintendent Police Ashfaq Anwar; SP Operations Yaseen Farooq and Khurram Shahzad. The suspended officers are expected to be presented before the second Joint Investigation Team (JIT), which is investigating the murder of Ms Bhutto, in a couple of days. They are expected to testify before the JIT.
Saar, you may recall how Rehman Malik vowed to bring to justice to the killers of his dear sister...he insisted, he will do everything in his power to attain this goal..Gagan wrote:Only Rehman Malik remains - he was in that benz with Babar Awan. Hamid Gul hasn't spoken yet also - and when he does, you can bet he'll call for an independent investigation.
Just remember her speech asking for jihad against India in Kashmir 1989Hari Seldon wrote:Satya saar, the secret for longevbity for any individual or culture is to take everything in moderation, including moderation itself. The same applies to dharma perhaps, IMO. In any case, truth is its own defense (against libel and adharm). We should say, respectfully of course, that BB's 72+26 was good riddance. Respectfully, again only.
BB was truly the daughter of the Beast ( I am not coloring the B here).Satya_anveshi wrote:Folks..I have not seen this posted but have not been quite upto date with BR:
here it is anyway regarding BB: Family Matters
Our dharma does not allow us to talk bad about dead people but if it did, one would be tempted to say good riddance.
If India had been Israel, she would have met her 72 right after that speech.
IIRC, Karan Thapar was besides himself after her assassination - all b'cos she'd sent flowers to his wife - the article below captures some of his anguish...If India had been Israel, she would have met her 72 right after that speech.
http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=26646I would say that a touch of unique genuineness was oozing out of his personality.
These virtues and qualities of the Pakistani leader did serve the interests of Pakistan...