The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & co

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I maybe totally wrong but can you rule out DCH scouting Mayapuri from his Pahargang digs? And isnt that out of 'plea bargain' scope? Shouldnt that merit some pooch tash?
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abhishek_sharma wrote:Solicitor-General going to U.S. on Headley trail

http://www.hindu.com/2010/04/24/stories ... 960100.htm
Gopal Subramanium had earlier advised the Home Ministry to act tough with the US because it was bound by the extradition treaty to hand over Headley to us. This is a good chance for him to follow his advice. But, we don't know what the brief given to him is, by the GoI.

From the above link,
“Our government has put this as the highest priority in the counter-terror cooperation."
It is not only highest priority, Mr. Roemer, but also a stern acid test for your sincerity which is incredibly low everywhere.
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ramana wrote:I maybe totally wrong but can you rule out DCH scouting Mayapuri from his Pahargang digs? And isnt that out of 'plea bargain' scope? Shouldnt that merit some pooch tash?
anywhere in Delhi is feasible for a home base, the question is more where would the centre of a dirty bomb be?

what is the signature of the rad source? is it industrial? is it made in an identifiable reactor? or from a specific source? how did the metal get contaminated? are they scouring waste from indian reactors?

i suspect (if the brazil episode is indicative) then medical isotopes may be the most vulnerable... otherwise its direct leakage of HEU/Pu from pak fauj controlled sources
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Lalmohan wrote:
ramana wrote:I maybe totally wrong but can you rule out DCH scouting Mayapuri from his Pahargang digs? And isnt that out of 'plea bargain' scope? Shouldnt that merit some pooch tash?
anywhere in Delhi is feasible for a home base, the question is more where would the centre of a dirty bomb be?

what is the signature of the rad source? is it industrial? is it made in an identifiable reactor? or from a specific source? how did the metal get contaminated? are they scouring waste from indian reactors?

i suspect (if the brazil episode is indicative) then medical isotopes may be the most vulnerable... otherwise its direct leakage of HEU/Pu from pak fauj controlled sources

Please visit the RCA thread.

There are two distinct sources of 20 units(wire form) and 1000 units (block). Hospital/medical sources are 200 units. From what I can tell from google 1000 units source is odd. The investigators said it wasn't waste implying its not from industrial/medical sources. Further they are positive its not from India. Only one obscure report hinted it came from China.
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A Srilankan news paper says what the Indians are shying away from saying:
LTTE defeat, political solution and CIA strategy
Garvin Karunaratne

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Mumbai massacre

Unfortunately for the world today, though President Obama has ascended the White House, the USA has not yet abandoned its nefarious activity of destabilizing countries. The attempt by Hillary Clinton to stop us annihilating the LTTE as well as Blake’s attempt to give a new lease of life to the LTTE through power sharing now has to be read with the recent revelation of the role that the USA and its CIA possibly played in the 2008 Mumbai Massacre, leaving over 160 dead and over a hundred wounded.

In Daya Gamage’s words, ‘a former US Government agent David Coleman Headley received promises of leniency and extradition protection from American prosecutors for his role in the 2008 Mumbai massacre Headley pled guilty to various criminal charges on March 18, 2010 in connection with his terrorist activities in India and Pakistan.

What is more important is that Headley admitted that he helped plan the bloody massacre by conducting surveilliance and selecting targets, gathering GPS coordinates for the terrorist team’s boat landing but the US Government has decided not to allow foreign authorities to question him or subject him to trial. Prosecutors also agreed not to seek the death penalty and he may not even serve a life sentence. Further it is said that Indian investigators who traveled to the USA to interrogate Headley were turned away. (From: Mumbai Terrorist- a US Agent in Asian Tribune: 13/4/2010)

The manner in which Headley has been given a lenient sentence speaks volumes. Why has the US taken action to be liberal with a master terrorist? This is the USA that incarcerated terrorist suspects in Guantanamo Bay. The terrorists had to be kept in isolation and the USA had to release most of them because there was no firm evidence. In the case of Headley there is firm evidence. In the words of Unfree Media Asia: CIA links to Headley, the American facing trial for planning the terrorist strike in Mumbai will remain secret at the insistence of the Obama administration.

The USA has blocked Headleay’s extradition to India and Indian interrogators who were sent to Washington to interrogate Headley were turned away. (From ‘Secrets of a CIA double agent at the heart of Mumbai’s massacre. Unfree Media Asia: 23/3/2010) India had allowed US investigators to question the terrorist that was caught alive in the Mumbai massacre.

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The decision of the US to set Headley almost scot-free despite the fact that he pleaded guilty to the charge of planning the Mumbai massacre, the fact that the US administration has decided not to extradite Headley to India, had not even allowed the Indian authorities to question him face to face - all these point to the fact that the USA was involved with the Mumbai massacre in some form or other.
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Gagan:

Can take this guy seriously when he does such an equal equal. Even TSP will go along with his characterization inlcuding suggesting that US was involved in Mumbai:

Headley pled guilty to various criminal charges on March 18, 2010 in connection with his terrorist activities in India and Pakistan.
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The sentiment has been repeated a few times that the US has a hand behind LeT. But is LeT not the same group that US domestic services are also worried about as being a potential threat to the country? Not only to the country but to Americans traveling abroad?

Is it maybe more realistic to think that instead of a hand, the US has a few fingers inside LeT? That is, it has infiltrated the organization and can only influence the organization to the extent of preventing it from attacking the US?
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Try to probe the history of L-e-T. When was it setup and why etc.

So except for Indians everyone knows the implications of DCH?
How is the young Bhatt doing?
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more than likely the US allowed the TSPA to create LET in order to let off steam and focus the bad guys into identifiable boxes, no doubt accompanied by 400% guarantees of pointing them in the 'right direction'

and yes, i missed the rad discussion in other dhaga, have caught up on it now
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In Jan 2002, the TSP cadres attacked the US consulate in Kolkata. The cadres were suspected to be L-e-T. Was DCH tasked to infiltrate or get close to the L-e-T in that time frame?
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Two sets of groups claimed responsibility for that attack on the US consulate.
Gunmen attack US centre in CalcuttaTuesday, 22 January, 2002, 11:04 GMT

Two groups telephoned newspaper offices saying they carried out the attack.

One caller said he was from Harkat-ul Jehad-ul Islami (HUGI), which is active in northern India, and said the attack was in protest against "the evil empire of America".

The other said the Asif Raza Commandos, a group named after their leader, a Calcutta criminal with links to radical Islamic groups, were responsible.
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No my question was DCH tasked to get close to L-e-T after the Consulate attack? Or was it a greater need? Can we look at the time line again of his LeT antics.
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http://www.indianembassy.org/newsite/pr ... Apr/18.asp

Indian Solicitor General and US Attorney General agree to cooperate in David Headley case

Washington, DC
April 27, 2010

On 27th April 2010, the Solicitor General of India, Gopal Subramanium along with the Ambassador of India to the United States, Meera Shankar met with the Attorney General of the United States, Eric Holder and other Department of Justice representatives, followed by detailed discussions. The discussions have resulted in a mutual commitment that there would be the best possible cooperation in our common fight against terrorism. The two partners agreed to take suitable steps to bring about direct access by Indian authorities to David Headley as soon as possible. The partnership between India and the United States recognizes the high priority to be accorded to each country’s national security. Both countries recognized the need for the investigations to reach a fruitful and successful outcome.
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abhishek_sharma wrote: The partnership between India and the United States recognizes the high priority to be accorded to each country’s national security.
Each others' would have meant something new.
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The two partners agreed to take suitable steps to bring about direct access by Indian authorities to David Headley as soon as possible.
So what are the suitable steps India should take?
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Does anyone know of a case where India has denied access to someone in India to the americans?

Is there also an element of quid pro quo that the umreekans are wanting here, in addition to the game that they seem to be playing.
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Now that India has taken steps to "normalize" relationship with Pakistan, will we get access to Headley? :roll:
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Business leaders want to throw DCH to India for greater interests.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Analysis/20 ... 272455580/

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Outside View: The United States, India and the politics of benign neglect

Published: April 28, 2010 at 7:53 AM

By STANLEY A. WEISS, UPI Outside View Commentator

NEW DELHI, April 28 (UPI) -- Imagine for a moment that 15 months after the terrorist attacks of 9/11, Indian authorities captured attack mastermind and Osama bin Laden henchman Khalid Sheik Mohammed in a raid in southern India. Imagine how loudly and quickly the U.S. government and media would have demanded extradition from India to the United States.

Now, imagine the outrage if India announced instead that it had struck a plea bargain with Mohammed and not only refused extradition but refused to allow American authorities to interview him at all.

And yet, since his arrest in Chicago on Oct. 3, 2009, American authorities have had in their custody a Pakistani American named David Coleman Headley, who has confessed to playing a lead role in the deadly terrorist attack in Mumbai on Nov. 26, 2008 -- memorialized in India as 26-11 -- that left 170 people dead and 300 wounded.

More than seven months later, not only have Indian authorities yet to interview Headley, a team of interrogators that traveled to Washington to investigate his connection to Pakistani terror group Lashkar-e-Toiba was turned away.

Three weeks ago came word of what one Indian newspaper dubbed "a kick in the gut": in exchange for admitting his role in the Mumbai attack, among others, Headley was granted a plea deal by U.S. authorities that he wouldn’t be extradited to India. Outrage in India reached such heights that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was forced to raise the issue with President Barack Obama at last week’s Nuclear Security Summit in Washington, reportedly earning a pledge from the president that India would "get access."

Friends don’t make friends beg for cooperation. But even as U.S. Ambassador Tim Roemer tells me that "relations between the U.S. and India have never been better," there is a growing perception in the markets and chat rooms in India that the friendship between the world’s oldest democracy and its largest is souring -- driven by an Obama administration that thinks it is doing a better job in Delhi than it actually is.

"What we worry about regarding the future of U.S.-India relations is general uncertainty and China’s new role since this global economic crisis," says Indian National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon. "Those are henny-penny worries right now. The real worry is the Afghanistan situation and Pakistan’s negative statements and terrorism."

"The U.S. dilemma in Afghanistan," says former Indian Ambassador to Pakistan G. Parthasarathy, "is that the war is unpopular domestically. Ninety percent of Indians believe that means America will cut and run -- they will cut a deal with the Taliban and withdraw prematurely, before the Afghan army is ready. It will be a disaster."

Retired Indian army Maj. Gen. Afsir Karim agrees. "A timeline that precludes an open-ended U.S. deployment has been welcomed in Pakistan because most people and the army believe this will motivate the Taliban to fight with great vigor and hasten the withdrawal of U.S.-backed forces," he says. "On the other hand, the Taliban will be able to evade American attacks by crossing over to Pakistan border areas and waiting until the U.S. offensive loses momentum."

Adds Shekhar Gupta, editor in chief of India Express, "We aren’t so much worried about the U.S. going home but we are worried about the hardware left behind when they do."


Since 2001, America has given its nuclear-armed ally in Islamabad more than $15 billion in direct aid and military reimbursements. Most worrisome to India are the 18 F-16s due to be delivered by summer, along with 115 M-109 self-propelled howitzers and 20 Cobra attack helicopters -- on top of 5,250 anti-armor missiles already delivered.

"When’s the last time you heard about F-16s being used to take down the Taliban?" asks Y.K. Sinha, Indian joint secretary in charge of Pakistan. "These aren’t weapons that will be used against al-Qaida. Those are weapons that will either be used against India or go to China."

Adds scholar Brahma Chellaney: "The vast majority of Pakistanis rate America as its biggest enemy, with India second. Washington isn’t focusing on this: how will these weapons be used?"

What can Washington do? Three immediate steps:

First, give Indian authorities immediate access to Headley, with no more delays. Rumors in India that he is a CIA agent gone rouge only poison the relationship more.

Second, condition ongoing aid to Pakistan on Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani making good on his pledge to track down the Pakistanis responsible for the Mumbai attacks -- and to open an investigation into evidence that Pakistanis planned last February’s attack on the Indian Embassy in Kabul.

With 45 terrorist training camps rumored in Pakistan, if Pakistan doesn’t act to curb violence against India -- India soon will.

Third, refocus the discussion on economic relations. A record number of U.S. executives disillusioned with doing business in China is flooding into India. Business-to-business cooperation is stronger than ever. Bringing public attention to those growing ties will help counterbalance disillusionment over security issues.

As a high-ranking Indian businesswoman told me: "The U.S. and India are an unhappy couple but they will never get a divorce. They need each other too much."

(Stanley A. Weiss is founding chairman of Business Executives for National Security, a nonpartisan organization of senior executives who use the best practices of business to strengthen the nation’s security.)
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Full transcript of David Headley's uncle's interview
NDTV: And is that how you see your nephew - a man with a dual personality?

William Headley: You could see this duality. Yes, to me it was pretty apparent. He was very conflicted. He came over here when he was four years old, and got a real exposure to the country. He could not have been more different between the two worlds. In the world where he wanted to be a Pakistani, he was considered to be an American. With Americans, he was seen as a Muslim. So he had to get used to a dual life. My sister was not only different but she stood out in our culture. She was quite a libertine. She did whatever she wanted to do.

David came over at 16 to reunite with his mother, but his mother had just met a man and ended up ignoring David. It was terrible for him. He ended up living on top of a bar. There are not many devout Muslims who have to live in a bar. I think it was confusing for him. The cultures are so different. But, I would say that he has never done anything against America. He has worked for us in the past.

NDTV: And when you say he worked for us, do you mean undercover work?

William Headley: Yes.


NDTV: How are you sure about this?

William Headley: I am not proud of this. He was arrested for drugs and he was given a very light sentence and he ended up working for us.

NDTV: The family knew it? He admitted it?

William Headley: Yes, I mean he did not just go around talking about it but yes, it would be mentioned.
NDTV: Does he mention this case, the charges and does he mention India?

William Headley: He only said that we should expect many surprises.
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ramana wrote:Business leaders want to throw DCH to India for greater interests.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Analysis/20 ... 272455580/

UPI.COM

With 45 terrorist training camps rumored in Pakistan, if Pakistan doesn’t act to curb violence against India -- India soon will.
As much as the Jongo in me wants to believe this, can India actually pull this off? Not in a phyrric sense, but a real kick on TSP's ass without getting one in return?

I say India's policy ought to be between this extreme and MMS's love making, the other extreme.
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India to get access to David Headley anytime
Indian authorities can go and cross examine David Coleman Headley on his role in26/11 carnage any time.
The US president Barak Obama had assured India prime minister Manmohan Singh of letting Indian authorities question Headly of late.
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X Posted.

Excerpt dealing with Pakistan linked terrorism affecting India (Headley, LeT, Mumbai etc.) from the interview of US Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Robert Blake by the Hindu’s Narayan Lakshman :
Narayan Lakshman: On your recent trip to the region, you mentioned that you had urged authorities in Pakistan to take action against Punjab-based groups, such as LeT, “not only because that is important to India but it is important to the U.S..” Apart from the earlier indirect actions by Pakistan in the Swat and South Waziristan offensives, in what ways are they following your advice? How about more immediate goals such as banning them and their associates from holding public meetings (as they have been doing) or seeing through the trial of the Mumbai attacks suspects to its completion?

Robert Blake: First of all with respect to the case, my impression is that is moving forward and that there is not any effort on the part of the Pakistani government to slow that down in any way. It is just that the judicial process is moving ahead.

On the question of LeT, I will just say what I have said before, which is that we really see that LeT is an organisation of growing scope and ambition, as the Headley case itself illustrates; and also a threat to the U.S. but also a threat to India and other countries, and potentially a threat to Pakistan too. So it is important for all countries to do what they can to circumscribe and control the activities of LeT. We will be continuing to urge our friends in Pakistan to deal with this. As I said earlier, they have made a lot of progress in Swat and then in South Waziristan, in arresting senior members of the Taliban. There is good momentum that has been taking place. At the same time it is important for all of us that these other groups – many of which have attacked Pakistan itself, like Jaish-e-Mohammed and groups like that – that they also be a target of Pakistani actions. We will continue to urge for progress on that.

It has wider benefit for not only counterterrorism priority, but also Indian and Pakistani relations. One of the things that I said to our Indian and Pakistani friends when I was there, particularly to the business community, is that there are tremendous under-exploited opportunities for trade between the two countries and that if progress can be continue to be made on terrorism and on the judicial actions that we talked about earlier, that would really open up a way for the business communities of both sides to expand trade relations and business investment relations.

From my conversations both in India and Pakistan, they are both ready to do that. But they are both waiting for political signals from their governments before they take actions. These small but important steps on things like LeT can have a wider and positive effect on bilateral relations.

Narayan Lakshman: Yes but in that same vein do you not think that some of these related organisations could have public meetings and also the slightly unrelated point on attacks in Afghanistan on Indian personnel. Do these thinks not dissuade this sort of process from kicking off?

Robert Blake: Well they do, yes, so again that underlines the importance of Pakistan fulfilling what it has always said it would do, which is to not allow its territory to be used as a platform against other countries.

Narayan Lakshman: Well I guess what many Indians would wonder is, what role could the U.S. play in pushing that forward on the ground. Certainly they have made the right statements but there is a sense that action is not following.

Robert Blake: Yes, Pakistan has a sovereign government and they are a friend of the U.S. and we will continue to work with them on this but all I can say is we have identified this as a priority.

The Hindu
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The one avenue that GoI seems to be following (seems to be), is to put the US in a corner.

They and the US knows that its actions on DCH are indefensible. In the older days when the superpower reigned supreme, the US would have not only done this, but would have sneered at Indian on its face.

Compare that to today, the US is in a corner so to speak, but only if MMS chooses to press home that advantage.
Or is MMS and GoI being too chankiyan and only want DCH for:
1. Ensuring that Hafiz-e-pig and Zakirur Rehman Lakhvi get stiff Jail terms.
2. Letting US off the hook on this for some pro quid quo on something else
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I think the GOI is suing the US culpability on DCH for two things:

1) Bring up their guilt when the pressure is too much
2) Make US pressure TSP to put away L-e-T pigs in jail.

So the "plea bargain" has become a self handcuff for uncle while trying to pull a fast one on India. The fast one is that DCH is US agent involved in the L-e-T terrorist acts on India. And he kept US informed of his acts and US pretended to give vague alerts to India to cover their acts.
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If DCH is indeed a CIA agent and if Obama's promise to MMS is close to become a reality....DCH won't be alive..he will be killed in some accident..
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Everytime one reads a new report that "India is IN THE PROCESS of getting access to DCH" or "India will SOON get access to DCH", understandably one's blood will boil at US's perfidy.

But then I stop and think for a moment if GoI itself isn't milking this US's reluctance of access to DCH.

The US knows that giving unsupervised access will mean that India will find out, exactly how much the americans knew about the Mumbai attacks in advance. I think this is why they don't want to give Indian police and intel access to him.

It is not that this guy was a CIA agent, that he will compromise ongoing operations or perhaps compromise other undercover activists, I think from access to India POV, the main concern the US has is "How much did DCH tell the CIA / US agencies in advance about 26/11".

Now anyone holding such information and not communicating it is in some ways an accessory to a crime. In a legal system that is as bad as India's there is a possibility that such information will lead to 'legal complications'.

PS: I can't believe that India doesn't have access to DCH yet. Not possible! It is possible that there is a game being played by both India and the US for the benefit of DDM. This is just like "Pakistan is a New-clear Bum power" for the benefit of the media.
But why?
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The US knows that giving unsupervised access will mean that India will find out, exactly how much the americans knew about the Mumbai attacks in advance. I think this is why they don't want to give Indian police and intel access to him.
Not only that. Even IF they give "limited access" to DCH, what will that access restrict Indians from doing?
If Unkil refuses to let DCH answer some questions, it will still give away the extent of unkil's intelligence about mumbai attacks.
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I think MKN figured this out and laid a trap. but then TSP called off the planned attack and relaunched it after a month's delay. The crucial evidence is in the reported remark by MMS to MKN when he wanted to resign after the 26/11 attack -"You did your best ....!"

One aspect is why was the attack delayed is worth exploring.
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The fact is that the IN was looking for the Pakistanis coming. That means that they had info about the pakistanis' depature from Karachi itself. That in itself is impressive intel.

The sheer number of fishing boats near the entire coast caused the pakistanis to slip in.

Now that DCH's modus operandi has been exposed, one wonders what the pakistanis are going to try next. I suppose more intel gathering from locals is the option. Only that the mostly locals might be fooled into doing it for money and some bullshit reason like shooting a docu or something. Of course not negating the fact that there will be some disgruntled chaps around for whom the money would be of secondary concern.
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The fact is that the IN was looking for the Pakistanis coming. That means that they had info about the pakistanis' depature from Karachi itself. That in itself is impressive intel.
Hadn't the Americans passed this info? Or was this based on indian intel?
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India to get access to Headley at the end of May: NDTV
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pgbhat wrote:Now that India has taken steps to "normalize" relationship with Pakistan, will we get access to Headley? :roll:
pgbhat, you asked this question after Thimpu. The answer has come today as 'end of May'.
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Gagan wrote:The one avenue that GoI seems to be following (seems to be), is to put the US in a corner.

They and the US knows that its actions on DCH are indefensible. In the older days when the superpower reigned supreme, the US would have not only done this, but would have sneered at Indian on its face.
US govt did not want India that time. They could ignore India.
Compare that to today, the US is in a corner so to speak, but only if MMS chooses to press home that advantage.
Even now Indians are not sure if US wants to engage India.
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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

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SSridhar wrote:
pgbhat wrote:Now that India has taken steps to "normalize" relationship with Pakistan, will we get access to Headley? :roll:
pgbhat, you asked this question after Thimpu. The answer has come today as 'end of May'.
End of May , guess by this time Monsoon has washed away all of his local connections/assets with no trace left for Indians . All the paki Abduls must have gone home by now . Too little and too late . Question is was it worth the insult and if access to a terrorist get negotiated then throw thhe darn so called partnership in Gandanala as its not genuine and smell with not good intenions.There might be many DCH and many terrorist plots i.e roughly translated as GOI in Preptual Concession Motion .
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Will it require some more accommodation from India to get to the next step?
New Delhi India and the US will work out processes to give Indian investigators access to David Headley, a planner of the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, and the issue will figure during their Strategic Dialogue in Washington next month.
The response to the walk walk in the garden by MMS was "India to get access to Headley".
Then came "end of May".
The question to ask is May of which year?
May or May not ??
BTW, as people pointed out here it may increasingly useless to get access to DCH as time passes.
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Access to DCH may not mean much. He has sold out his associates in the past to get a lighter sentence by becoming an informant and has probably gotten some assurances from US government prosecution on a reduced sentence. I wouldn't rule out DCH getting some sort of witness relocation type of plan from the prosecution. If DCH is questioned by Indian and lies, then what are the consequences for him? None.

What we've forgotten is that Rana is going to trial in November. DCH ratted out Rana and that will be used by the prosecution in court and it may reveal some details. Can Rana be extradited or sent to India for questioning? I'm sure the GoI is looking in to this as well.

We also missed this story here on BRF Indian Army Major Arrested Spying For Pakistan
Now the question here is, why would US intel agencies let the GoI know about this?

The deal here is that the US is monitoring the activities of the ISI and this IA major doing something so blatant, would soon be caught and reveal the details of TSP contacts that are also US assets. These same assets could be cross connected as associates of DCH and Rana.
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Mort Walker wrote: We also missed this story here on BRF Indian Army Major Arrested Spying For Pakistan
Now the question here is, why would US intel agencies let the GoI know about this?

The deal here is that the US is monitoring the activities of the ISI and this IA major doing something so blatant, would soon be caught and reveal the details of TSP contacts that are also US assets. These same assets could be cross connected as associates of DCH and Rana.
The case of the Major turned out to be that of a compromised computer. Forensic examination settled that issue.
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Prem wrote:
SSridhar wrote:pgbhat, you asked this question after Thimpu. The answer has come today as 'end of May'.
End of May , guess by this time Monsoon has washed away all of his local connections/assets with no trace left for Indians . All the paki Abduls must have gone home by now .
Prannoy Roy was seen asking Roemer the question in NDTV. Roemer says that India will get access in less than three months. {So, it is definitely not end-May} He keeps going around about US sharing real-time information or taking Indians to top-flight labs in the US etc. He also indirectly said that there won't be any extradition as the US wants Headley to serve a long sentence in the US.
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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

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abhishek_sharma wrote:Pak major held may be Headley handler

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indi ... 955537.cms

If this guy is being held for ties to Shahzad and is claimed to be Headley's handler then here is the smoking gun of nexus between Headley and Shahzad that I have been forecasting.

US should question Headley despite his plea bargain!
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