Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Apr 2010 18:08

According to sources, Indian Deputy High Commissioner Rahul was summoned at Foreign Office and handed six dossiers on the headway made in Mumbai Attacks investigations {Now, one can be sure that Mr. Manmohan Singh will meet Gilani. There is also a possibility of a Thimpu declaration on the lines of SeS. After all, hasn't Pakistan accepted that headway has been made ?}

Actually, news reports were mentioning MMS might bail out of the summit due to the heat back home over IPL, tapping etc.

This might be the only way to avert a upcoming SeS which is looking ever so close to reality.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 25 Apr 2010 18:40

SeS or Thimpu or Pandora, MMS neither has the vision nor the guts to do what is expected of a Prime Minister of a Billion people nation.
I challenge him to
1.Declare Pakistan a "Terrorist state" in the upcoming summit.
2.Declare that India is tripling its development work in Afghanistan with immediate effect and follow it up.
3.Declare that there will be no "talks" about "talks" with Pakistan until it gives up Saeed,Ilyas and Dawood to India.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 25 Apr 2010 19:21

Drawing borders in a hurry
This pakjabi needs to get rid of his inner pa'astan quickly.

IT was absurd to carry out partition job in just 36 days. Radcliffe .... was suffering from dysentery That explains "Pa'astan ka matlab qya?"

People of India and Pakistan still suffer due to arbitrary division of boundaries, especially in Punjab and Kashmir. A revisit is must to correct the wrong and bring lasting peace to the region.

Revisit the boundary decision in Punjab?

Now they want parts of Indian Punjab too? That grass they have been eating for forty years has some serious deficiencies.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 25 Apr 2010 19:28

Here's a new strategy from the learned pakis on how to increase their exports. Committee formed to buy cheaper fabric from abroad

The downstream textile industry has set up a body to facilitate exporters in procuring fabric from different world sources at competitive price. Exporters are facing difficulty in meeting their export commitments owing to shortage and high yarn prices in domestic market.

“We wasted over seven months and knocked the door of the people, who matter in the government, to safeguard country’s interest by checking unbridled yarn exports and protect the value-added textile sector to secure jobs of millions of workers but to no avail,”

He said India was the only country with surplus cotton this year but still it has imposed a ban on its export in the national interest.

Birathers. Its not "Exporting". Its called "Brokering". And you don't have to be living in pa'astan to do that.

rohiths · Post by **rohiths** » 25 Apr 2010 22:01

Timeline of US aid to Pakistan
US Aid to Pakistan in 2001-10
I did a few rough present value calculations

1950-64 Aid: $3500 million (Historical Value)
1965-79 Aid: $2550 million (Historical Value)
1979-90 Aid: $5000 million (Historical Value)
1991-00 Aid: $500 million (Historical Value)
2001-10 Aid: $21.83 Billion (Present Value)
(Assuming 5% rate: Average rate on long term treasury bonds)
Overall present value: $98.97 Billion

This is only US aid(subject to omissions). If we assume European + Saudi and other aid to be the same as US aid we get roughly $200 Billion

Add to that what Pakistan owes India at partition which is Rs 300 crores which was $1 Billion in 1950 whose present value is $18.7 Billion.

Also if we consider other forms of aid like World Bank, IMF and other sources we will cross $250 Billion easily.

Conclusion: GUBO has earned $250 Billion in current US dollars over the past 60 years for Pakistan.

Must say it is highly effective

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 25 Apr 2010 22:09

rohiths wrote:
Also if we consider other forms of aid like World Bank, IMF and other sources we will cross $250 Billion easily.

Conclusion: GUBO has earned $250 Billion in current US dollars over the past 60 years for Pakistan.
Must say it is highly effective

The west considers this amount to be small compared to what is the payback. They consider that Pakistan has effectively held back a major country and major power from realizing its full potential in the last 60 years. Their national interest has been served by getting access to Central asia and entrance to the persian gulf.
From a cultural point of view the west considers that Pakistan has diluted the soft power of India and global appeal of Indian thought and Indian culture. This is considered significant when considered from a historical point of view. A large chunk of Indian population at independence has been completely socially engineered to be different from the original culture.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Apr 2010 23:16

anupmisra wrote:Drawing borders in a hurry
This pakjabi needs to get rid of his inner pa'astan quickly.

IT was absurd to carry out partition job in just 36 days. Radcliffe .... was suffering from dysentery That explains "Pa'astan ka matlab qya?"

People of India and Pakistan still suffer due to arbitrary division of boundaries, especially in Punjab and Kashmir. A revisit is must to correct the wrong and bring lasting peace to the region.
Revisit the boundary decision in Punjab? Now they want parts of Indian Punjab too? That grass they have been eating for forty years has some serious deficiencies.

Lahore/Nankana Sahib is/was the boundary line. If we can get it without war , so be it.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Apr 2010 23:19

SSridhar garu,
I suspect that something has changed within pakistan.

There has been a flurry of activity recently, including this 6 dossiers. The pakistanis asking for Kasab is a red herring to cover for the GUBO that they are having to do wrt mumbai. It is possible that lakhvi and the other medium fry will get prison sentences, but the pakis will ensure that for H&D purposes Hafiz-e-pig will not be touched. The flurry of track -2 visits recently suggests that something has been worked out.

It would appear that a joint US-Saudi Arabia mediation has brought some change in the pakistanis stance. And I have a feeling that MMS and Geelani will be meeting in Thimpu.

What I fear is what MMS and India is bringing to the table for what pakistan is doing. He tried unilateral withdrawal from Siachen the last time before the Army chief took it to the media and he had to back down. I wonder what MMS is going to try now.

The other thing I want to point out is that Pakistan has been successful in bringing India to the negotiating table as a direct result of Mumbai 26/11. Here in this instance, the Pakistanis are agreeing to a 'long-standing' indian demand for punishment for the 26/11 accused and so India must give something in return - I think that something will be full spectrum talks with the pakistanis. Their strategy to using terrorism has brought them results. The failing is of India's entire foreign policy team and Pakistan team. They didn't have any leverage on Pakistan at the time that 26/11 was happening. I hope that leverage is being built up so that every instance of use of terror by pakistan can be responded to without having to resort to giving up something on the negotiating table.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Apr 2010 23:28

Gagan wrote:
csharma wrote:To keep things in perspective, India is adding close to Pakistan's GDP every year. India has to take steps to check the terror emanating out of Pakistan, otherwise it is clear where they stand. India's economic growth will accelerate while Pakistan will be stuck in 2-4% range.
With or without the US and China bankrolling that country and its defense purchases?

Can you please post the relevant figures.

Thanks

In a decade the contrast will be clearly so vsisible like Nawab Sharif 's Gunj. Indian defence budget will exceed their GDP . Unless they start Chowmins instead of Nihari , they wont be able to buy even a Salawar per head at the market price . The nuisence value will go down pakistanically as the rule of diminshing return get kicked in and reality dawns.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 25 Apr 2010 23:59

http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20100423/8 ... or-ha.html

India should arrest Thackeray for 'hate speeches' as we did Saeed: Pak FO

Fri, Apr 23 11:25 AM
Islamabad, Apr.23 (ANI): Comparing Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray with wanted Jamaat-ud-Daawa (JuD) chief Hafeez Muhammad Saeed, the mastermind of the November 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, Pakistan wants New Delhi to take action against the political leader for inciting ill-feelings against it.

During an interaction with a visiting India media delegation here, Foreign Office spokesperson Abdul Basit was asked as to why Islamabad was dragging its feet on taking action against Saeed despite India providing numerous dossiers, which nails his direct involvement in the Mumbai carnage.

"I don't hold brief for Hafiz Saeed. We arrested him. Have you arrested Bal Thackeray for making hate speeches against Pakistan," Basit replied.

Commenting on India's consistent claims that the groups like the banned Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) were still running terror training camps inside Pakistan's boundary, he said Islamabad is ready to take on those camps if exact information is shared with it.

Basit reiterated Islamabad's demand for re-starting the stalled composite dialogue with India, saying such talks had proved to be of great help in building confidence between the two neighbouring countries.

"It helped us sign prior notification of missile trials, it helped us in ceasefire and to agree on confidence building measures on Kashmir. It created a congenial atmosphere as well," the spokesperson said.

Basit also pointed out that disputes like Siachen could not be settled unilaterally.

"We had made enormous progress on Siachen and Sir Creek. These issues can be handled quickly if the dialogue is resumed," he said.

He also objected to India's hardened stance on the resumption of the composite dialogue, saying its better not to engage in any form of deliberation than to add 'pre-conditions' to composite talks.

Basit also condemned India for labelling happenings in Kashmir as a 'terrorist struggle', and said Pakistan would never accept those claims. (ANI)

ANI

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Apr 2010 00:19

Acharya wrote:http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20100423/8 ... or-ha.html

India should arrest Thackeray for 'hate speeches' as we did Saeed: Pak FO

This is what undercuts India's moral stand on terror. TSP is using this kind of vile propaganda, and many in the west and even in India subscribe to this. In not dimisssing this out of hand, this is where I suspect if MMS & Co are really serious in tackling India's TSP problem; or are they just looking for some political cover to advance their "peace" agenda.

Now there are 2 ways of countering TSP. One is to ignore, which say US would do even when pointed to hypocrisy and blatant double standards, much less say Al Queda comparing themselves with say tea party Nazis. Unfortunately, India does not have the clout to ignore this; these kind of lies are repeated by "South Asia experts" and thats what gives rise to "extremists on both sides" when India threatens to retaliate to an LET attack sponsored by TSPA/ISI.

The second way is for the highest levels of Indian govt to demolish this nonsense. But unfortunatley, Indian body politic is so f$%^&d up, devoid of any nationalism, that many in UPA govt, not to mentione the purefools, ARoy's, PMisras' etc actually agree with this. Some perverts may even go a step further and argue that it is because of Bal Thackeray that TSP is provoked into supporting LET.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 26 Apr 2010 00:21

rohiths wrote:.....earned $250 Billion in current US dollars over the past 60 years for Pakistan.
Must say it is highly effective

You omitted the value extracted from East Pakistan by West Pakistan.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 26 Apr 2010 00:53

CRamS wrote: Some perverts may even go a step further and argue that it is because of Bal Thackeray that TSP is provoked into supporting LET.

Because of Bal Thackeray Pakistan was created and it has LET to attack India.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 26 Apr 2010 00:56

Some obscure foreign office spokesman of a poor failed country which happens to be India's neighbour gets his pakistaniyat into the open.

I don't give too much credence to this. Pakistan will always fail to get leverage whenever it tries to use this line of reasoning. The reason is that they are trying to compare armed state-sponsored terrorists with a politician. A right winger no doubt but only a politician.

The problem for pakistan is that everyone knows this. And pakistan being full of pakis who can't but indulge in pakistaniyat, can't convince anyone otherwise.

CRamS, Acharya, ignore that fart's fart.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 26 Apr 2010 01:08

Gagan wrote:SSridhar garu,
I suspect that something has changed within pakistan.

There has been a flurry of activity recently, including this 6 dossiers. The pakistanis asking for Kasab is a red herring to cover for the GUBO that they are having to do wrt mumbai. It is possible that lakhvi and the other medium fry will get prison sentences, but the pakis will ensure that for H&D purposes Hafiz-e-pig will not be touched.

You cant dismiss the Headley angle. Maybe their assessment is that if Headley sings and implicates everyone from serving Jernails to politicians, it will come as a huge embarrassment. Unkil doing a Quid-pro-quo with the Pakis (you get the Mumbai attackers, we dont give Headley to India) cannot be ruled out either.

negi · Post by **negi** » 26 Apr 2010 01:15

Why ignore ? these are not comments from some mango abdul , few days back some turd from harvard was falsely blaming India for TSP's water woes where do you think they get such brilliant ideas from ? What is stopping GOI from confronting such BS ? TSP makes baseless and false allegations time and again becuase they are unchallenged and more often than not work for them be it J&K issue or even the IWT our silence and inaction has not yielded results so why continue with the same failed strategy ?

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 26 Apr 2010 01:38

Both Pakistan and USA are indebted to China. China is using people in these countries like that Harvard professor to conceive of propaganda against India. Therefore, this should not be ignored. The small expense that will be needed to maintain a good PR office is well worth the trouble, because it will minimize the effectiveness of this course of action.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Apr 2010 01:56

negi:

Exactly. In the absence of giving sound jhappads to TSP for their periodic shennanigans, any vile act, any vile propaganda, bringing up irrelevant issues becomes India TSP equal equal in the court of international opinion. My contention is not that international opinion is sacrosanct, but given India's abject weakness in its inability to make TSP pay a price, and couple that with India's 5th column, us nationalists get undermined.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Apr 2010 02:26

CRamS,
3.5 Massars suing TSP as leverage on India also make them and their strategy as weak, stupid and bumbling as TSP is. Granted TSP is not being punished by India now but as per law of nature , the change is inevitable. The day we shift from reactive mode to active mode by waking up from Kumbkarani sleep, lets hope by then all real internal and external enemies have been duly recognized and objectives clearly defned to neutralize them Indian way. PakiMama UQ went from hero to zero in 60 years , then how long will Pakiputtar last? IMHO, we have just entered in a new era and it will take few more years before Indian eyes and mind get the clarity of vision and destroy the projected mirage forever.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 26 Apr 2010 02:30

US citizen Siddarth Varadrajan advises that India should compromise and agree to resumption of composite dialog with Pakistan ...

Time to end the impasse with Pakistan - Siddharth Varadarajan

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But if India believes dialogue “is really the way forward”, why is it unable to accept Pakistan's call for the “composite” dialogue to be resumed? The paradox here is that from the traditional Indian perspective, the composite dialogue has worked pretty well. Discussions on Kashmir have not led to any change in the territorial status quo but have provided a cover for India to move ahead with other parts of the bilateral agenda that suit it more, like trade and cross-border confidence-building measures. And if the Indian side is opposed to talks on the ‘water issue', the composite framework of dialogue is ideal because water does not figure as a standalone topic under any of the subject heads. Despite this, India is the one saying no to ‘composite' dialogue.

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In Thimphu, Dr. Singh must try and find a way of doing that. One possibility is for the two prime ministers to task their foreign secretaries with reviewing what has been accomplished on the terrorism front as well as in the last few rounds of the composite dialogue, with a view to expediting the resolution of existing problems and disputes. Such a mandate would foreground the necessity of a dialogue addressing all outstanding issues while sidestepping, for the moment, any nomenclatural disagreement. It would accomplish the stated Indian objective while allowing Mr. Gilani to return without having surrendered Islamabad's stand on the “resumption” of the composite dialogue. Parallel to this process, the Prime Minister should meet with the leaders of all major political parties in order to explain the reasons why India and Pakistan need to end the current stalemate. Finally, a strict moratorium on grandstanding and posturing, finger-pointing and name-calling is necessary. When the Prime Minister is directly crafting India's approach to Pakistan, ministers, officials and anonymous ‘sources' must not confuse the public with contradictory messages and statements.

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Progress on terrorism issue by Pakistan?? Mybe the six dossiers provided recently will serve as a fig leaf to show progress and resume composite dialog

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 26 Apr 2010 02:41

I did not know that Islamabad does not have a single cinema theater.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 26 Apr 2010 03:31

US citizen Siddarth Varadrajan thinks there has been progress on Pakistani terrorism?

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 26 Apr 2010 03:33

India should arrest Thackeray for 'hate speeches' as we did Saeed: Pak FO

Does Thackeray train, arm and send terrorists across international borders?

Someone should tell the Paki FO that Valentine's day vandalism cannot be equated with jihadi terror.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 26 Apr 2010 03:36

^of course!!!, who do you think is blowing up stuff in Pindi, K'chi and Peshawar?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Apr 2010 04:53

A_Gupta wrote:I did not know that Islamabad does not have a single cinema theater.

Why do they need an enclosed theater when their whole nation is an open-air stage. There's drama every Friday (and sometimes twice a week) - matinee and night shows with full public (of all ages and gender) participation encouraged. As a matter of principle every TFTA is an anti-hero, and there's blood and gore, lots of action. All for free.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Apr 2010 04:55

Gerard wrote:Does Thackeray train, arm and send terrorists across international borders? Someone should tell the Paki FO that Valentine's day vandalism cannot be equated with jihadi terror.

Gerard, you should know better. Are you trying logic on a paki? Their's is a nation of 1001 conspiracies which keep the entire awaam and TV channels busy running in circles.

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 26 Apr 2010 04:56

Some advice from financial daily to Pak govt

Violation of performance criteria under the Stand-By Arrangement (SBA)
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The latest communication of the Pakistani government with the Fund authorities confirms, in no uncertain terms that certain important performance criteria under the SBA have indeed been missed { what an understatement!} but authorities of the country are extremely keen to keep the present programme on track {what a load of BS}.
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In this context, it needs to be remembered that the conditionalities of the Fund are usually meant to rehabilitate and strengthen the fundamentals of the economy, with a view to placing it on a sustainable path of development and waivers are granted only under exceptional circumstances. Obviously, such concessions may be given to Pakistan at this particular juncture, not purely on the merit of the case {what merit?} but because of the sympathy of the international community, particularly the US, due to our present position on the war on terror.
This is not a very healthy situation because the country would not be able to achieve the real objectives of the programme despite the half-hearted willingness of the Fund to continue with the exercise.

Here comes the advice

We would, therefore, advise the government to re-examine the whole strategy and put in place an economic programme that is realistic and result-oriented, with or without the support of the IMF{!}.

link

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Apr 2010 05:01

Indian reaction to Pakistani dossier

Indian officials on Sunday reacted cautiously to the Pakistani request for the Mumbai magistrates and investigating officer to testify before the Rawalpindi court. Asked by The Hindu if this was a step forward, a senior official said “Maybe.” “There are too many moving parts [right now] to take a call.” He said it was a potential step forward but one could not conclude that with certainty yet.

Senior lawyers said India could consider Pakistan's request if the magistrates concerned were prepared to be examined as witnesses voluntarily.

Shanti Bhushan said if Kasab's confessional statement implicating some other accused facing trial in Pakistan required corroboration as per Pakistani law, India could consider such a request. P.P. Rao said the law allowed for such evidence to be provided in writing as well.

The Pakistani dossier and request comes on the eve of the SAARC summit {That is the important point, like Pakistan catching the No. 3 Al Qaeda guy before a Washington trip. At least with the US there was some action by TSP; here, there is a bait and that's all} in Bhutan, where Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is likely to meet his Pakistani counterpart, Yusuf Raza Gilani, on the sidelines.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 26 Apr 2010 05:17

A_Gupta wrote:
rohiths wrote:.....earned $250 Billion in current US dollars over the past 60 years for Pakistan.
Must say it is highly effective
You omitted the value extracted from East Pakistan by West Pakistan.

You know what would be interesting is to take the break up of money & tie it to the paki population as well as Paki rupee exchange rate to see how their economy & percapita income florished with the alms they have extracted from unkil.

But since Unkil's money only reaches upper middle class & above perhaps the data might not really highlight what I want to see the paki prosperity tied to this aid / begging bowl money unless we factor the percentage of population that is in the RAPE bracket.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Apr 2010 07:22

One of our BR friends, Karthik Balu, has sent me a link which is a repository of excellent material on the on-going war in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa. The Battle for Pakistan: Militancy and Conflict in Pakistan's Tribal Regions. This is essential reading for all of us. I have added this to the first post of 'background material', under 'Pakistan Today'.

Thanks Karthik Balu.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 26 Apr 2010 08:03

From Indianexpress

PM, Gilani to hold ‘limited dialogue’

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will hold “limited bilateral dialogue” with his Pakistani counterpart Yousuf Raza Gilani on April 28, on the sidelines of the SAARC summit in Thimphu.

The resumption of talks, stalled since the 26/11 attacks, is New Delhi’s initiative to resolve the stand-off between the two countries on Indus water sharing and a related hydroelectric Kishanganga project on which Islamabad has served a notice in the International Court of Arbitration, said senior government officials.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 26 Apr 2010 08:18

I wonder what is this dog and pony show about Indian and Paki leaders meeting on sidelines of any darn useless assembly of world leaders. So they meet, have chai biscuit, come up with some useless statement and then go back to good old ways of accusing each other.
Pakistanis keep sending terrorists and Indians keep protesting (and nowadays send dossiers too).
What is the big deal about these stupid meetings and dialogue ?
e.g. Why is this meeting more important than the SAARC summit. PM Singh would meet other 6 leaders as part of courtesy just like rest of them and thats pretty much it. What is so special about meeting with Gilani ?
Most likely when the next summit comes, we will be shaking hands with Asshfak Kiyani (no pun intended).

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Apr 2010 08:23

In Bajaur, the Pakistani Army blames the US strategy - Sandeep Dikshit in The Hindu

As the Army helicopter swept down towards the fort, it was clear that the Army and the paramilitary Bajaur Scouts were putting their best foot forward to showcase an area that had gone out of state control to militias aligned with Behtullah Mehsud's TTP.

In the fort, senior Army officials detached themselves from inspecting a captured wheeled contraption — used by militants to quickly shift mortar guns from one firing location to another — to meet Indian journalists ferried from Islamabad.

It looks like an Indian reporters were taken by the PA to Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa ! That should be a first ! Besides, I thought it was Anita Joshua who has replaced Nirupama Subramanian as the resideent correspondet of The Hindu in Islamabad. Pakistan and India have agreed to station just two news correspondents each in each other's capital. Where does Sandeep Dikshit come from ? OK, the answer is below. Apparently a batch of Indian journalists went from India at the request of the PA. WoW !!

This is the 22nd delegation of foreign journalists being brought to the Bajaur tribal agency, bordering Afghanistan's Kunar province, which has the same stock of Pathan tribals. But this is the first time the Pakistan Army has brought Indian journalists. And they were wholehearted about fulfilling their part of the bargain.

A large group of men in Pathan suits, spotted hurrying away when the helicopter landed, could be the same ones who lined the bazaar when the media convoy passed by.

All senior Pakistan Army officials make the same point: the faulty U.S. strategy in Afghanistan pushed militants here and nearly led to the takeover of the tribal agencies and Swat. There is no coordination between the two forces on U.S. drone attacks, which “ignite” public opinion as they also kill children and women.

The Army has taken a huge gamble by hosting Indian journalists and baring their innermost thoughts to them. The common thread of the briefings was acute displeasure with U.S. political and military tactics.

Now, the question is why has the PA suddenly invited a bunch of Indian journalists to FATA ? May be US pressure on the PA to convince the Indians that there was no fake war going on there and the PA was indeed taking on the terrorists. All these point to a Thimpu declaration, no doubt.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 26 Apr 2010 08:24

If the GOI had any of Kautilya's genes or memes, they would hand over Kasab to Pakistan.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 26 Apr 2010 08:33

One possibility is MMS is very smart and is playing the game to buy time and prepare ground for big show. The only problem with this logic is that MMS' actions else where, especially in internal matters, must demonstrate his true intentions. If MMS's strategy is indeed delay tactics, then his strategy must be extremely black-ops as we cannot see his proactive actions anywhere else.

The other possibility is that MMS truely believes TSPs case and is a bleeding heart WKK. Since he is in power and represents a section of our society, we must wait until he passes the baton to a new leader and hope that new leader sees TSP as a problem instead of a fellow victim.

Since I lost hope in MMS a while ago, my anger turns to the babus in PMO. Apparantly they have shown consistant ineptitude in preparing the Indo-Pak joint statements. I hope they do not repeat their S-e-S mistake this time.

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 26 Apr 2010 09:00

I doubt if there is any deep , chankiyaan policy towards Pakistan. The main thrust of both NDA and UPA govt was/is to rely on US and the so called international community to mount pressure on Pakistan to stop terrorism against India. Now US is relying on Pakistan to get itself out of the Afghan situation. Pakistan is fully resolved to use terror as a weapon against India. Now what is India going to do? The great powers like US UK expect India to negotiate with Pakistan for terror tap to be turned off (for how long?).

Does India/MMS have any solution to this? I doubt it.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 26 Apr 2010 09:03

Govt imposes section 144 in Islamabad

ISLAMABAD: The government has imposed section 144 in the federal capital Islamabad to implement its new energy conservation plan.

According to sources, some of the traders in the federal capital have refused to follow the govt's decision, which has forced the administration to take strict action and impose section 144 in the city.

According to the new measures, traders and shopkeepers will have to close their place of business by 8 o' clock in the evening. Marriage halls will also be affected as wedding ceremonies will not be allowed to last beyond 11:00 PM. -DawnNews

I think I have a better idea to give to Pakistan. Ask ISI to send a video casette to GEO TV and Al Zazeera claiming to be from Osama Bin Laden, as they usually do, issuing Fartwa against anything electric.

From Indian side, we can ask our WKKs to truly light some Kandles in Paki homes. This will be true Aman ki Ayyashi on their part.

Pakistan will be energy surplus within few days

!!

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 26 Apr 2010 09:05

Hey maybe we should make a deal with the Taliban so they can have control over Pakistan. That way they get to live in a state ruled by the purest of the pure, and all the infidels will go away etc. etc.

sum · Post by **sum** » 26 Apr 2010 09:12

csharma wrote:I doubt if there is any deep , chankiyaan policy towards Pakistan. The main thrust of both NDA and UPA govt was/is to rely on US and the so called international community to mount pressure on Pakistan to stop terrorism against India. Now US is relying on Pakistan to get itself out of the Afghan situation. Pakistan is fully resolved to use terror as a weapon against India. Now what is India going to do? The great powers like US UK expect India to negotiate with Pakistan for terror tap to be turned off (for how long?).

Does India/MMS have any solution to this? I doubt it.

Sad words but IIRC, closest to the current situation.

The only Chankianess is of the BRFites imagining super-duper theories about our Pak policy.

Btw, S. Vardharajan seems to have replaced K.Nayyar as the prime WKK of India. Sadly, Vardharajan also seems to have lots of influence in current GoI meaning what he usually writes ( however painful it is to read for jingoes) is the closest to what GoI/MMS is thinking!!!

sum · Post by **sum** » 26 Apr 2010 10:42

For Saarc sake, India, Pak must get their act together

Manmohan Singh [ Images ] and Yusuf Raza Gilani [ Images ] hold the key to South Asia's progress, observes Sanjaya Baru, former media advisor to the Prime Minister.

The world is convinced that the 21st century will be Asia's century. The only question is whether it will be only East Asia's century or South Asia's as well.

China's great moderniser Deng Xiaoping famously told the late Rajiv Gandhi [ Images ] that "the 21st century can only be the Asian century if India [ Images ] and China combine to make it so". Prime Minister Manmohan Singh can well tell his Pakistani counterpart this week that the only way South Asia can become a vibrant element of the new Asian century is if India and Pakistan combine to make it so.

As leaders of the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (Saarc) meet later this week in Bhutan, they must all ask themselves where this important part of Asia is headed, even as Asia to our East moves relentlessly forward.

Do any of Saarc's members have a future that can be truly independent of their South Asian identity? Hardly. Can Pakistan hope to be part of a dynamic and rising Asia without resolving its problems at home and with India? Impossible. Can India sustain high growth for long, like China, without a more cooperative relationship with its neighbours, including Pakistan? Unlikely.

At the end of the first decade of the 21st century, South Asia stands once again at a cross roads. It can go forward, along with the more dynamic economies of East Asia, and emerge as the second engine of global growth by the middle of the century, or it can remain in a low-level equilibrium of poverty, conflict and perpetual instability.

If there are any political leaders or strategic analysts in any of the South Asian countries who think that their country can break loose from the neighbourhood and have a rosy future irrespective of what happens in the region, they live in a world of make believe.

The region has had such leaders before. Many in Pakistan thought they could delink from South Asia and attach themselves to the richer Arab and Islamic world to their west. Some in India thought New Delhi [ Images ] too can delink itself from its neighbourhood and "Look East" for prosperity. South Asia's smaller countries also had fanciful notions of their individual autonomy. Some, like the Maoists in Nepal and the Sinhala chauvinists in Sri Lanka [ Images ], still see a future for themselves independent of the "Mother Continent".

The saner lot, even in Pakistan, recognise that what geography and economics propose, mere politics cannot dispose.

If Saarc has to be revived and made a more dynamic regional organisation, then India and Pakistan must get their act together. Both countries have huge internal problems and there are constituencies for peace in both countries, just as there are constituencies for exporting domestic problems across the border in both. Pakistan has used terror to thwart India's progress, but the elephant moves on at a handsome pace of 8 per cent and more, even as Pakistan has slowed down to 2-3 per cent growth in recent years.

The last few years have, however, shown that the two neighbours owe it to their own people and their region as a whole to amicably resolve their differences, if each of the two countries and the region as a whole have to move forward.

The starting point of any meaningful dialogue between India and Pakistan is for the two to recognise each other's concerns. Pakistan must demonstrate much greater understanding of India's concerns about cross-border terrorism and the need to convince Indian public opinion about its sincerity in dealing with the planners and perpetrators of the 26/11 Mumbai [ Images ] and several other terrorist attacks.