Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

satya · Post by **satya** » 01 May 2010 11:07

LeT is a threat to US, to India and potentially Pakistan : Robert Blake

Time to cut LeT loose in ordert to unveil LeT 2.0 version . Whom he's trying to fool ? Tier-2 cities & vernacular press readers don't buy this crap didnt' post 26/11 and fat chance now . Goras will never ever understand Indians for we always say what other wants to hear simple as tht here goes their face readers , their piskologists & their think tanks & analysts let them try their best.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 01 May 2010 11:10

Who is Hakimullah?

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... hakimullah

With the news yesterday that Hakimullah Mehsud, the second chief of the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan ...

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 01 May 2010 11:44

sum wrote: Instead of this farce of "Pak has improved quality of lawyers" etc, GoI could have as well just started unconditional talks since the actions taken by Pak so far are not even worth a face-saver..

Either GOI must be a bunch of naive, incompetent idiots, or a bunch of traitors looking for some political cover to appease TSP, but anybody who thinks TSP will actually prosecute LET, that enjoys widespread support in TSP, needs to have his/head examined. And even if these 7 are locked up, the real perpetrators are in GHQ in Rawilpindi. Does GOI not know this, or are they faking ignorance?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 01 May 2010 11:50

Guys:

Question for the experts among us. We have our minds on Mumbai. No doubt TSP has gotten way with it. But if one looks at the events so far, culminating in Thimpu with MMS resuming love-making sessions with TSP, what do you think TSP has gained from 26/11? In other words, would we be in the same situation had there been no 26/11, or India's position relative to TSP would have been better off?

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 01 May 2010 11:53

Casualties feared in Swat blast

WAT: A powerful explosion has been heard in Swat area of Sohrab Khan Chawk, Geo News reported Saturday.

The blast occurred in a large market situated near Sohrab Khan Chawk. The injured are being rushed to Saidu Sharif Hospital.

The huge plumes of smoke are billowing from the blast site.

The sources are confirming the about the nature of the blast; however, the clues are indicating it to be suicidal. However, the security sources are quoted to be saying that the bomb was planted in the plaza.

The blast was so powerful that several shops were destroyed. Police and other law enforcement agencies put a security cordon around the blast site.

It should be mentioned that Green Chawk, where a suicide bomber was arrested and Sohrab Khan Chawk are two busiest point in the city.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=103978

The Taliban back in Swat

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 01 May 2010 13:08

2 killed, 4 injured in Swat blast

6 injured in Quetta blast

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 May 2010 14:13

CRamS wrote:Guys:

Question for the experts among us. We have our minds on Mumbai. No doubt TSP has gotten way with it. But if one looks at the events so far, culminating in Thimpu with MMS resuming love-making sessions with TSP, what do you think TSP has gained from 26/11? In other words, would we be in the same situation had there been no 26/11, or India's position relative to TSP would have been better off?

CRamS - I believe your question is a difficult call. In terms of terrorism - 2008 was the worst year we saw. After 26/11 there were no terror attacks for over 12 months until the Pune blasts and the recent Bangalore incident (and one Kashmir incident where the terrorist was getting Paki instructions before being sent to his 72 raisins. But the number of infiltration attempts has gone up manifold, including one on the Punjab border.

What do I make of this?

My take is that the Pakistani establishment has enough control on its anti-India terror apparatus to ratchet it up when feasible but turn it down when inconvenient. Since it was "turned down" for over a war - which is unprecedented for over a decade there were obviously some factors that made it inconvenient for the Packee establishment to keep up terror at the same level after 26/11.

But a year later it again became convenient to do something. But there seems to be some pressure against general terror, and Pakistan is trying to appease impatient terror groups by once again allowing infiltration. Note that after Parakram and even the artillery duels on the border where Paki artillery gave cover for infiltrators) had stopped. That restarted this year albeit at a fraction of the earlier levels.

There is one juicy explanation for which I have no proof. Pakistan has encouraged so many anti-India groups that they are impatient to hit India. In the past they were given support by the whoring Paki army and establishment, but for some reason that support is getting costly for them. (I have no idea how or why) But reduced support is making the terrorists angry and they are beginning to hit the establishment accusing them of being traitors and not living up to their promises of bringing India and other kafirs down.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 May 2010 15:40

US, UK & Australia warn of imminent terror attacks in Delhi

The US, UK and Australia on Saturday issued fresh advisories, warning of "imminent" terror attacks in New Delhi, particularly in market places like Connaught Place, Greater Kailash and Chandni Chowk

arun · Post by **arun** » 01 May 2010 16:44

US Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security Ellen Tauscher on the reported supply of nuclear reactors by PR China to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Briefing on the Nonproliferation Treaty Review Conference …………

Washington, DC
April 30, 2010 ……………………

QUESTION: There are reports that – this is for Under Secretary Tauscher. There are reports that China is about to sell nuclear reactors to Pakistan irrespective of the feelings of the Nuclear Suppliers Group. This is something that appears to have been the door opened to – have the door opened to because of the U.S.-India nuclear agreement. In that, how does the United States – how would the United States respond to allegations that it was the United States that opened the door to this and, in doing so, may have inadvertently weakened the NPT?

UNDER SECRETARY TAUSCHER: We don’t believe we weakened the NPT in our peaceful civilian nuclear deal with India, that it’s a deal that comes with safeguards and it comes with a number of other transparency mechanisms that we think, frankly, add to the security and the nonproliferation concerns that we had prior to that. So I think that it’s not our bad if something else happens, but certainly what we’re for and what we make very clear we’re for is that we want a strong NPT, we want a strong IAEA that is well funded, that has the authorities it needs to be the right watchdog for the time that we live in.

QUESTION: Let me just follow up there. How would the United States feel – how does the United States feel about such a deal, the sale of nuclear reactors to Pakistan, which is a country of concern when it comes to proliferation? And the United States seemingly has not actually made a great deal of public – brought – discussion about Pakistan’s blocking of the fissile material cutoff treaty, it’s continued production of Pu and highly enriched uranium. What we have heard is the United States talking about how cooperative Pakistan has been vis-à-vis Afghanistan, but not heard anything about Pakistan’s conduct when it comes to the nuclear file.

UNDER SECRETARY TAUSCHER: Well, I’m not going to speculate on a future, perhaps, sale between China and Pakistan. These things take a long time so I’m going to wait to see how that develops. But I will tell you that I think everyone shares the disappointment that the United States shares that there is a country that is blocking the program of work that was a very hard fought agreement among the six chairmen, somewhat historic, last year in the conference on disarmament in Geneva to move forward on a program of work, to begin negotiations on a fissile material cutoff treaty. As you know, we are for that. President Obama made very clear in his Prague speech a year ago that the United States would move toward negotiation of a fissile material cutoff treaty. And I think we join a lot of our friends and allies trying to persuade that country to step away and let the program of work go forward because it would be a long negotiation. And certainly, that is a good opportunity for them to make their opinions known and their concerns known.

US State Department

And on the broader topic of the nuclear proliferation relationship between PR China and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in an interview with the Hindu’s Narayan Lakshman, US Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia, Robert Blake:

President Obama said at his Nuclear Security Summit press conference that the U.S. wanted to reduce nuclear tension in South Asia. Does the U.S. see Chinese nuclear weapons and the Chinese proliferation link with Pakistan as factors which have contributed to this tension historically and at the present time?

We all know the historical ties between Pakistan and China. But I do not think I would want to make any statements about the current [situation]. I do not think that there are any significant proliferation issues right now with regard to China and Pakistan.

There are no concerns?

I do not think that that is at the forefront of things that we are working on. Our dialogue with China now is first of all urging them to work with the international community to help stabilise Pakistan and then help provide the assistance that it needs. But then also on the counter-terrorism front there are groups operating in Pakistan that are antithetical to Chinese interests – [for example] the East Turkistan [Islamic] Movement. It is certainly in their interest and in our interest to see that action is taken against those groups to prevent the destabilisation of China. Then we are of course very closely working with China in Afghanistan as well, and we appreciate the role they are playing there in terms of new investments and a lot of the projects they have undertaken there.

The Hindu

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 01 May 2010 16:56

Proxy votes from Mirpur

Sitting in the garden of a large villa in Mirpur, a British citizen who has been a taxi driver in Halifax in Yorkshire for more than 20 years, talks of a practice which has become widespread here.

For obvious reasons the man, in his fifties, does not want us to publish his name. He describes how people are going door to door asking Britons to blindly sign proxy forms for the upcoming elections, allowing someone else in the UK to vote on their behalf.

"They said I didn't have to fill in any details, just to sign my name at the bottom of the form," he says, smiling. "So I signed two."

He laughed as he told me he had no idea who was going to vote on his behalf, and whom they were going to vote for.

"I personally know 25 other people who did the same thing, lots of people just on this street, but everybody does it."

I wish the British the joy of Mirpuris. Perhaps they deserve each other.

arun · Post by **arun** » 01 May 2010 17:16

X Posted.

Excerpt dealing with Pakistan linked terrorism affecting India from the interview of US Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Robert Blake by the Hindu’s Narayan Lakshman :

Narayan Lakshman: On your recent trip to the region, you mentioned that you had urged authorities in Pakistan to take action against Punjab-based groups, such as LeT, “not only because that is important to India but it is important to the U.S..” Apart from the earlier indirect actions by Pakistan in the Swat and South Waziristan offensives, in what ways are they following your advice? How about more immediate goals such as banning them and their associates from holding public meetings (as they have been doing) or seeing through the trial of the Mumbai attacks suspects to its completion?

Robert Blake: First of all with respect to the case, my impression is that is moving forward and that there is not any effort on the part of the Pakistani government to slow that down in any way. It is just that the judicial process is moving ahead.

On the question of LeT, I will just say what I have said before, which is that we really see that LeT is an organisation of growing scope and ambition, as the Headley case itself illustrates; and also a threat to the U.S. but also a threat to India and other countries, and potentially a threat to Pakistan too. So it is important for all countries to do what they can to circumscribe and control the activities of LeT. We will be continuing to urge our friends in Pakistan to deal with this. As I said earlier, they have made a lot of progress in Swat and then in South Waziristan, in arresting senior members of the Taliban. There is good momentum that has been taking place. At the same time it is important for all of us that these other groups – many of which have attacked Pakistan itself, like Jaish-e-Mohammed and groups like that – that they also be a target of Pakistani actions. We will continue to urge for progress on that.

It has wider benefit for not only counterterrorism priority, but also Indian and Pakistani relations. One of the things that I said to our Indian and Pakistani friends when I was there, particularly to the business community, is that there are tremendous under-exploited opportunities for trade between the two countries and that if progress can be continue to be made on terrorism and on the judicial actions that we talked about earlier, that would really open up a way for the business communities of both sides to expand trade relations and business investment relations.

From my conversations both in India and Pakistan, they are both ready to do that. But they are both waiting for political signals from their governments before they take actions. These small but important steps on things like LeT can have a wider and positive effect on bilateral relations.

Narayan Lakshman: Yes but in that same vein do you not think that some of these related organisations could have public meetings and also the slightly unrelated point on attacks in Afghanistan on Indian personnel. Do these thinks not dissuade this sort of process from kicking off?

Robert Blake: Well they do, yes, so again that underlines the importance of Pakistan fulfilling what it has always said it would do, which is to not allow its territory to be used as a platform against other countries.

Narayan Lakshman: Well I guess what many Indians would wonder is, what role could the U.S. play in pushing that forward on the ground. Certainly they have made the right statements but there is a sense that action is not following.

Robert Blake: Yes, Pakistan has a sovereign government and they are a friend of the U.S. and we will continue to work with them on this but all I can say is we have identified this as a priority.

The Hindu

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 01 May 2010 17:29

CBMs to strengthen cross-LoC trade approved: India

Pillai said the Defence Ministry had been asked to procure and install full-body truck scanners to facilitate checking at checkposts. The plan also involves upgrading infrastructure at the two trading centres at Salamabad in Uri along the Sringar-Muzaffaraabd road and Chakan da Bagh in Jammu region along the Poonch-Rawlakot road.

The Telecommunication Ministry had also ordered permitting international calls from Indian-held Kashmir to Pakistan after a hiatus of 20 years.

It is a historical fact that many kingdoms in India fell because of traitors within. This CBMs are a Trojan horse. Only this time,MMS is playing the character of Sinon. This will not end until our sisters and daughters are raped and converted, Indian cities burnt to ground. We have not learnt any lessons. have we?
How are we letting this government surrender our freedom to these barbarians? Whats the bargain for MMS? A Noble Prize?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 May 2010 17:31

More turmoil in PoK

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 May 2010 17:37

Pakistan's Punjab on knife-edge: Governor Salman Taseer

The provincial governor accused the regional government, led by former prime minister Nawaz Sharif's party, of tolerating or even supporting extremists, who are said to operate openly in Punjab free from the military operations waged against Taliban guerrillas in the area bordering Afghanistan.

"The Sharifs are creating a potential bomb here in Punjab," said Salman Taseer, the governor of Punjab, who was appointed by the national government. "These [militant] groups are armed and dangerous. There is no way you can accommodate these people. There has to be zero tolerance."

In recent weeks, a spate of armed robberies and kidnappings of the Ahmedi sect in the city of Faisalabad was traced to members of Jamaat-ud-Dawa, the group previously known as Lashkar-e-Taiba that was blamed for the devastating 2008 terrorist attack on Mumbai. Three Ahmedis were also shot dead, thought to be the work of the same group

But {Rana} Sanaullah {the Punjab Law Minister} denied the claims, saying that while banned groups operated in the province there was no "Talibanisation" in Punjab. "Not a single street where you can say there is a no-go area," he said.

Sanaullah said that groups based in the north-west were behind the terrorist attacks in Punjab, not local organisations, adding that "95% of the people of Sipah-e-Sahaba are not terrorists". He said: "We must persuade these persons to put aside their guns, to participate in elections. They have the right to vote, so why can't I ask them [Sipah-e-Sahaba] for votes?"

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 May 2010 17:55

IJT thugs assault Punjab Univ. Security officer

Islami Jamiat Taliba (IJT) activists allegedly thrashed PU Assistant Security Officer Shoukat Ali when he tried to prevent them from distributing pamphlets after Friday prayers.

PU Director Public Relations Khawaja Tahir told Daily Times the university is planning to register an FIR against the IJT activists who were involved in this incident, which was yet another in a series of IJT attempts at disturbing the peaceful atmosphere on campus.

Now, all this FIR vaghera will not be useful. When Musharraf was the top-gun, he appointed a General as the Chancellor and another General as the Vice Chancellor of the Punjab Univeristy. They could do pretty little to stop the IJT from doing whatever it wanted to do. Such is their power.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 May 2010 18:05

News reports in India are warning that there is a "credible terror threat" to Delhi - with some Paki terrorists having slipped into India via Nepal. The US and Australia are warning their citizens.

But Foreign minister level talks should go ahead. We must talk. Talking is good even if Pakistan is exploding nukes under our backsides.

sum · Post by **sum** » 01 May 2010 18:19

Shiv-avare,
Hasn't GoI recently said ( through Siddharth Vardharajan of Chindu) that "extremists from both sides" shouldn't be allowed to derail the piss process? Hence, if a attack happens, we should talk even more and more CBMs should be announced.

Every attack should ensure more and more CBMs. This will reach a level where the extremists from both sides will get tired and join in the love making.

/sarc/rant off

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 01 May 2010 19:23

Justice delivered.
ISI official’s funeral to be held at Lal Masjid

I wish the goatees also dig up a few more places to hold other terrorits like Imam guy, Shiekh Rashid, Mushahid Hussain, Hamid Gul, Musharraf, Kiyani within the same Lal Masjid complex for ditching their terrorist brothers. Jihadis will have established their base in the capital Islamabad once again.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 01 May 2010 19:58

Guys seriously, I do hope GOI has on board psychologists and psycho-analysts, especially those specialising in animal psychology. On this the fate of peace process may hang...

Look at it this way - you a fanatic barbarian animal, and like millions of your countrymen, you have been brought up that way, convinced that your scriptures tell you to kill and kill and until you establish purity of 7th century and a pure-Caliphate all over the Ummah and in particular subjugate the non-believers like yindoos, yehudis and christians. You are a proud Paki because you live in a state that also has exact same ideology. You are even more proud to be in ISI because it is the strategic weapon as well as the arrowhead of this glorious cause.

You give your heart and soul to the cause, raise an entire army of fanatic barbarians ready to blow themselves up at the drop of the mullah's cap. They do blow themselves up here and there and you proudly salute them. Once in a while they blow up in the streets of your own city but you see that part of collateral damage that is worth paying for in the overall interest.

But then they start killing you..they start targeting your kids going to school...you start wondering what is going on..

Talking of Khwaja, you go to meet these Talibs, all of them your ex students and colleagues eager for some chai-biskoot, back slapping and sharing of anecdotes, laughing about tales from the past when you were all at the same camp (remember poor Shoaib, he almost blew himself up by pulling the grenade pin by mistake....and so on)...

Instead they kill you like a rabid dog and throw your body in the street where even after no one dares to pick you up to give you a prompt burial which is important in your faith.

Now as an ordinary ISI Abdul how do you feel? As a leader of this gang, what is going on in your mind?

Guys, the answer to this will set the course of the peace process...not any amount of hand shaking by Gilani and MMS both of whom cannot even order their own peons to bring them a cup of tea without asking for someone else's permission.

archan · Post by **archan** » 01 May 2010 20:00

Two OT posts moved to future strat scenario thread for the lack of a better match.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 May 2010 20:06

Ilyas Kashmiri behind Khalid Khwaja going to jahannum ?

he Pakistani authorities, investigating the March 25 abduction and subsequent assassination of the former ISI official Khalid Khawaja believe that the killers, “Asian Tigers”, which had demanded $10 million and release of a senior commander of the Afghan Taliban Mullah, was actually a cover for Harkatul Jihadul Islami (HUJI), led by Commander Ilyas Kashmiri.

According to well-informed sources in the Pakistani security establishment, Ilyas Kashmiri is currently based in the Mir Ali area of North Waziristan from where the body of Squadron Leader (R) Khalid Khawaja was recovered on April 30, almost a month after his abduction along with another retired ISI official Colonel Sultan Amir Tarar, commonly known as Colonel Imam and a British journalist of Pakistani origin, Asad Qureshi.

The kidnapped former ISI officials had stated in a video dispatched by the kidnappers and released by the Geo TV that they had travelled to Waziristan after being asked by the former Army Chief General Mirza Aslam Beg and a former ISI Chief Lt Gen Hameed Gul. {So, what is their role in this ?} Khawaja and Imam had travelled to North Waziristan to assist the British journalist, who wanted to interview some Taliban commanders for a documentary.

“I came here on the prodding of Lt Gen Hameed Gul, General Aslam Beg and ISI’s Colonel Sajjad,”

Those investigating the murder believe the abduction of the former ISI officials also has something to do with the rift among the various pro-Kashmir jihadi groups currently operating from the Pakistani soil. They cited Khawaja’s remarks in the video that certain jihadi commanders such as Maulana Fazlur Rahman Khalil, Maulana Masood Azhar and Abdullah Shah Mazhar and jihadi groups like the Jaish-e-Mohammad, Harkatul Mujahideen, Lashkar-e-Taiba and Al Badr are still operating as ISI proxies and allowed to collect funds in Pakistan. As a matter of fact, while the leaders of the three mainstream pro-Kashmir jihadi groups—JeM, LeT and HuM—are still allowed to move freely across Pakistan despite being proscribed by the Pakistan Government, Ilyas Kashmiri has already been declared by the Pakistani authorities as one of the most wanted fugitive commanders.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 May 2010 20:16

More on the case of the More Pious Punjabi Taliban Vs. Less pious ex-ISI/PAF Officer

Tribal sources in Mir Ali, the second largest town of North Waziristan after its regional headquarters Miramshah, said villagers were offering the Friday prayers when firing was heard in Karamkot village, five kilometres west of the main Mir Ali-Miramshah Road.

Villagers said they came out of the mosque and saw the bullet-riddled body of an elderly person lying on a small road of Karamkot village. “We did not know about this old man but he was looking graceful. Someone had just shot him dead. He was shot in the head and chest and was still bleeding when we reached there,” said Muhammad Israr, a shopkeeper in Mir Ali Bazaar. He said he was among the few people who had reached there first and saw the body.

Some villagers said they saw armed people reaching there in a car and firing at the bearded man with AK-47assault rifles.

His assailants had placed a computer-generated letter on his body, alleging he was killed for his association with the ISI and CIA and his negative role in the Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa military operation in Islamabad.

Terrified tribesmen did not want to take any risk by shifting the body to a proper place. By evening, the once powerful and now toothless political administration sent a Jirga of elders and some low-level government officials to collect the body of the former ISI officer.

The Jirga, which was holding white flags, later took possession of the body and shifted it to the military camp in Mir Ali.

Muhammad Omar, a spokesman for Taliban Media Centre that is believed to be operated by the Punjabi Taliban, called this scribe saying the other two men, Colonel Imam and Asad Qureshi, might meet the same fate if the government did not consider the demands of the Asian Tigers seriously.

He claimed all major militant organisations operating in the region had a unanimous opinion about punishing Khwaja. “Everybody wanted him to be executed as he had confessed of all charges against him,” explained Omar who spoke in Urdu.

He claimed that Khwaja and Maulana Shah Abdul Aziz, the former MMA MNA from Karak, during their previous visit to North Waziristan had brought a list of 14 senior Taliban commanders, majority of them Punjabis associated with the banned Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, and told the TTP leaders, Hakimullah Mehsud and Waliur Rahman that they were getting financial assistance from the Indian intelligence agency, Research and Analysis Wing (RAW).

Omar even mentioned names of militant commanders identified as Indian agents by Khwaja and said among them were Qari Zafar, Rana Afzal, Ustad Abdul Samad, Qari Ehsan, Qari Basit, Ustad Aslam, Yasin, Qari Assadullah, Qari Imran, Qari Hamza, Ustad Khalid, Abu Huzaifa, Matiur Rahman and Qari Hussain Ahmad Mehsud. The last-named is considered to be the master trainer of suicide bombers.

Omar narrated a long list of allegations against Khwaja. He said one of the main causes of his death was his support to the Afghan Taliban and strong opposition to the Pakistani Taliban. “He would call us terrorists and refer to the Afghan Taliban as Mujahideen,” Omar recalled.

In the recent videos released by the Asian Tigers, Colonel Imam had claimed that he had come to North Waziristan on the advice of former Army chief General (retd) Mirza Aslam Beg while Khwaja said he had gone there on the advice of former ISI chief Lieutenant General (retd) Hameed Gul, General (retd) Aslam Beg and Colonel Sajjad of the ISI.

Meanwhile, senior Afghan Taliban commanders, who were negotiating with the Asian Tigers through two senior Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) leaders from Orakzai Agency, said the group comprised 30-40 people, Punjabi and Mehsud, all expelled from their respective groups — the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and the TTP.

They said the two TTP leaders had held a meeting with members of Asian Tigers about their demands. The group, they said, told the TTP leaders that they would inform them about the demands within two days. The Taliban commanders said the group was supposed to convey them the demands on Saturday but they killed Khalid Khwaja without any reason.

The Taliban felt someone very powerful was behind the group as despite having limited number of fighters, it was freely moving in the region. “The group is run by Usman Punjabi and Sabir Mehsud — both were expelled from their respective organisations,” the Taliban commander said, wishing not to be named.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 01 May 2010 20:27

I am totally confused...if Khwaja said A,B,C are RAW agents, why kill him, why not the A,B and C? Will not be to RAW advantage because no one will then say anyone is a RAW agent, for the fear of being killed so RAW can operate freely...

or is the Omar guy himself a RAW agent.

Or is there a pattern here, like in barbaric societies letting go rapists free but punishing the victim for 'khalwat'

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 01 May 2010 20:28

shiv wrote:
But a year later it again became convenient to do something. But there seems to be some pressure against general terror, and Pakistan is trying to appease impatient terror groups by once again allowing infiltration. Note that after Parakram and even the artillery duels on the border where Paki artillery gave cover for infiltrators) had stopped. That restarted this year albeit at a fraction of the earlier levels.

There is one juicy explanation for which I have no proof. Pakistan has encouraged so many anti-India groups that they are impatient to hit India. In the past they were given support by the whoring Paki army and establishment, but for some reason that support is getting costly for them. (I have no idea how or why) But reduced support is making the terrorists angry and they are beginning to hit the establishment accusing them of being traitors and not living up to their promises of bringing India and other kafirs down.

You must have thought about why there is pressure on the TSP establishment, what is your guess? You think the US has them on a leash?

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 01 May 2010 20:29

CRamS wrote:Guys:

Question for the experts among us. We have our minds on Mumbai. No doubt TSP has gotten way with it. But if one looks at the events so far, culminating in Thimpu with MMS resuming love-making sessions with TSP, what do you think TSP has gained from 26/11? In other words, would we be in the same situation had there been no 26/11, or India's position relative to TSP would have been better off?

Man that is one LOADED question...

Attacks were naturally targeted at hurting India where it hurts the most. The were geared towards:

1) Show vulnerability of our Economic assets.
2) Target Indian elite (scare them)
3) Scare forin pipal, show India too is as dangerous as Pakistan (Pakistan was specially having tough time in north with Taliban during this time).
4) To highlight Kashmir Issue.
5) To challenge GoI and convey that GoI can't do $h__ about them.
6) During this time PPP / Zardari / Nawaz were making a lot of pro India voices..... This could be the MAIN reason.... to show them ... who is the real BOSS.

Sadly, they achieved all of the above....

My question is what did the Pakis lose becaue of 26/11.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 01 May 2010 20:30

Guys, if you have read 'Asterix and Roman Agent' there is a point where the Roman commander tears his hair out unable to comprehend the messy situation about who is who and what is what...I think TSPA is in that position...

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 01 May 2010 20:48

Remember reading a conversation of 2 brave citizens from the land of the pure on a popular, pure and 400% authentic forum....

1st Pure blogger: Thimpu was second punch after SeS from PM par excellence Gilani to MMS. Bet they didn't teach this in Oxford and Chinkya never saw it coming...

Few posts and hour later

2nd Pure blogger: Dear 1st Pure, I think MMS did doctorate in economics specializing in developing nations and international trade....

Few post and minutes later

1st Pure blogger: Sh_t yaar. why can't we have people like him as PM in our country....

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 01 May 2010 20:54

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... rcraft-150

Pakistan gets two P-3 surveillance aircraft
By Anwar Iqbal
Saturday, 01 May, 2010

JACKSONVILLE (USA), April 30: Sacrifices of unnamed soldiers who die fighting terrorists along the Pak-Afghan border were remembered at the world’s largest naval airbase in Florida where a senior US official said on Friday that his country would never let Pakistan down.

Thomas Masiello, who heads political-military affairs at the US Department of State, handed over two P-3 Orion surveillance aircraft to Pakistan, further enhancing its capability to combat extremists.

Pakistan will also receive $1.5 billion this year to buy military equipment from the United States, he said.

“Never before it has been truer that your war is our war and your struggle is our struggle,” said Mr Masiello, while paying glowing tributes to more than 2,500 Pakistani soldiers who died while fighting the terrorists.

He and Ambassador Husain Haqqani also recalled thousands of civilians slaughtered by the terrorists in Pakistani cities and villages.

Mr Masiello, who is also a serving general, represented the United States at a ceremony at the Jacksonville base where the US Navy transferred the P-3 C Orion maritime aircraft to the Pakistan Navy.

Pakistan, which already has two similar aircraft, will receive a total of seven such planes by 2012.

The two refurbished aircraft have been fitted with state-of-the-art technology. The upgrading of all seven aircraft will cost about $500 million funded by the United States.

“This is a significant even in the history of the Pakistan Navy,” said Vice Admiral Shahid Iqbal, the navy’s chief of staff. “There were hiccups and problems along the way but we overcame them and hope that the rest of the programme will go smoothly.”

Mr Masiello said the United States stood committed to providing not just military assistance but will also help Islamabad overcome the current energy crisis.

Ambassador Haqqani noted that the terrorists who attacked Mumbai in 2008 succeeded because Pakistan did not have the capability to detect the small boats they used for sneaking into India.

“We can now prevent such attacks,” he said. Vice Admiral Iqbal said the induction of the upgraded reconnaissance aircraft would enable Pakistan to help “secure maritime domain in a meaningful and effective manner”.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 01 May 2010 21:01

SSridhar wrote:US, UK & Australia warn of imminent terror attacks in Delhi
The US, UK and Australia on Saturday issued fresh advisories, warning of "imminent" terror attacks in New Delhi, particularly in market places like Connaught Place, Greater Kailash and Chandni Chowk

All three share intelligence very closely. Especially they run TECHINT monitoring stations - Echelon - together.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 01 May 2010 21:11

Dunno how you all will read this, I read this to mean that to have better than a snowball's chance in hell of survival, Pakistan needs to make peace with India, and actually cooperate in the development of the Indus basin. (That is, managing the river waters as a partitioned river basin disadvantages Pakistan much more than it disadvantages India.)

http://www.bgverghese.com/WaterSharing.htm

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 01 May 2010 21:17

Suppiah wrote:I am totally confused...if Khwaja said A,B,C are RAW agents, why kill him, why not the A,B and C? Will not be to RAW advantage because no one will then say anyone is a RAW agent, for the fear of being killed so RAW can operate freely... or is the Omar guy himself a RAW agent.

Or is there a pattern here, like in barbaric societies letting go rapists free but punishing the victim for 'khalwat'

Actually there are couple more related which can only be explained by Paqui madrassa logic

1. Khwaja played role in LM which was against the purest folks, makimg him eminent RAA but then the killers claimed themselves as "Tigers", again implying RAA too. So, to them RAA can be counted on killing their agents but they get to whine.

2. How come Khawaja guy's funeral happening in /approved to be held in LM? Obviously cannot be his family's wish nor could be Paki govt's? So, why is it happening there? One reason could be that it is a *demand* from someone. So, what could be the condition of the demand?

On the same note, thinking like a jihadi, do I want the burial of the guy in the same *nandanavanam* aka LM where he played havoc? I am not sure if it will be mark of *sufficient* insult or even a justice. Daal continues to be Kaali. but again this is paquiness we are talking about.

archan · Post by **archan** » 01 May 2010 21:51

Altair, as I have said multiple times before, criticizing the PM is fine but please don't belittle those who try to indulge in constructive criticism by trying to lump in trivialities in it. While I am not making any allegation on you per se, but what this kind of behavior does is, it degrades the POV of those who criticize in a non-partisan manner.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 01 May 2010 21:56

-self deleted-

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 01 May 2010 22:13

Whether or not MMS is a peon and slave to foreign Catholics is OT to this thread. The peon posts have been removed.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 May 2010 22:18

Carl_T wrote:
You must have thought about why there is pressure on the TSP establishment, what is your guess? You think the US has them on a leash?

The only direct explanation is US leash. But the US would have to pull that leash on India's behalf. The US will not rein in Pakistan on India's behalf unless there is something in it for the US. What's in it for the US? Why should the US put pressure on Pakistan to reduce terror in India?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 01 May 2010 22:38

^^^^^^
With warnings of imminent terrorist attacks in the bazaars of Delhi, one can hardly say that terrorism has been reduced or that Pakistan is on a leash.

The various factions that comprise Pakistan are proceeding with their normal incoherent gait.

PS: no matter what happens, some faction in Pakistan will benefit, because there are so many of them with diametrically opposed purposes.

E.g., if warned terror attacks happen, it will be seen to be to LeT and its supporters advantage.
If warned terror attacks don't happen, it will be seen as if the Pakistani Army played a responsible role and reined in the jihadis.

If terror attacks happen and that results in cancellation of talks, then again some faction would have wone.
If terror attacks happen and talks anyway continue, then some other faction would be seen to have the upper hand.

Maybe the US has this on the leash, except they're all pulling in different directions.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 01 May 2010 22:42

Carl_T wrote:
You must have thought about why there is pressure on the TSP establishment, what is your guess? You think the US has them on a leash?

Any moderation in TSP behavior if it all there is (the periodic terror tap turning on and off) is due to US pressure, no doubt about that in mind. TSP knows it can kick India's ass any day and get away with it. This is what concerns me as I have said many times. The biggest gain for TSP has been to live stronger and fight another day. And meanwhile, status quo ante (India TSP equal equal) has been restored at Thimpu. In other words, thanks to MMS, TSP pays no price for its past terror actions, and it keeps its terror assets as bank balance.

Unless there are truly "non state actors", the biggest fraud invented by USA/TSP combine to whitewahs TSPA's terror role, I doubt there will be any major terror attack against India at least until the AfPak denounement. In the interim US bahadur will chip away at their man MMS to keep giving TSP something, while they themselves continue doling out military economic goodies (pocket change for US). We are entering a war of attrition phase, where both India & TSP (India TSP equal equal onlee) use US presence to their utmost advantage. The real tamasha starts later.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 01 May 2010 23:19

Who is behind the late night IED Mubharaks in Pak. ?

Twitter
2 low intensity blasts in Lahore

Sen_K · Post by **Sen_K** » 02 May 2010 01:18

One of the Taliban leaders demanded by Asian Tigers was Mullah mansoor.
Times and BBC had reported that he was killed in June last year, only to resurface again like Hakeemullah.
The Paki military/ISI is playing an unbelievable hide and seek game with all stake holders involved - The US, Afghan Taliban, TTP and anti India jihadists. The puzzle seems to be getting more and more complex day by day, with the multiple personality disorder of Paki military getting more severe and into the open.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 02 May 2010 01:37

CRamS wrote:Guys:

Question for the experts among us. We have our minds on Mumbai. No doubt TSP has gotten way with it. But if one looks at the events so far, culminating in Thimpu with MMS resuming love-making sessions with TSP, what do you think TSP has gained from 26/11? In other words, would we be in the same situation had there been no 26/11, or India's position relative to TSP would have been better off?

to me this appears like a false question. its context (even within this thread and even historically) is wrong and its assumptions are wrong. mumbai was designed for internal consumption of pakistan. they wanted to alter the local dynamic, at a time when tspa was fighting sundry militias and the absurdity of that was beginning to show. that whole thing was like the respectable "ladiej" lifting her skirt to cover her face to preserve her modesty. at that time that is what it was designed for -psyops to solve tspa's internal image problem from blowing up amongst the tspian momeen and the masses. hamid gul around the time even said it: if india attacks, every single tfta tspian irrrespective of affiliations will coagulate. that was the goal. that failed, kuffar sdres shivered in their dhotis did nothing or put differently under the "visionary and academic" leadership went by the books.

what happened after the fact (SeS, thimpu) is not tsp gamed for. even if some of what happened has been beneficial to it.